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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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TheCJBrine

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The problem is not about a third Mario, it's that Metal Mario would be hilariously boring as a pick. I'm all for Paper Mario in Smash, for example.
You struggled to come up with small differences like "Metal Mario is heavier so he jumps higher". That is the definition of a boring pick and a wasted slot.
Alright then, I just personally think he’d be very cool. Admittedly I’m not sure what differences he’d have aside from weight, some move differences, and his personality, I just thought it was a cool idea and I think he could be a fun Mario alternative...

Though, I would also love Paper Mario, I just said the three-Mario thing as a bit of a joke because some people seemed to dislike even him for it...
 
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Is it also out of the realm of possibility this pass could consist of 1st parties only especially if its Nintendo's means of mostly promotions?

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Gen 8 Pokemon
Spring Man (ARMS); Get it more noticeable by people. Was also originally considered for Base.
Paper Mario
Rex (Xenoblade); Same as Spring Man.
Sylux
Yea, no, Nintendo’s not this stupid after the positive reception of the first four Vol. 1 characters.
 

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Alright then, I just personally think he’d be very cool. Admittedly I’m not sure what differences he’d have aside from weight, some move differences, and his personality, I just thought it was a cool idea and I think he could be a fun Mario alternative...

Though, I would also love a Paper Mario, I just said the three-Mario thing as a bit of a joke because some people seemed to dislike even him for it...
I dunno, it was already stretching it in Mario Kart personally. At this point I don't care I wouldn't complain but come on lol
 

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I dunno, it was already stretching it in Mario Kart personally. At this point I don't care I wouldn't complain but come on lol
Yeah I guess so...I just always saw Metal Mario as this cool rival-clone, in Smash 64 and Kart and whatever, like Dark Link or Metal Sonic or something.

Though, I don’t expect him to ever get in, just thought it’d be neat. May make a support thread, I don’t know...
 
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so aside from the ARMS character, I'm also expecting a 50-50 split between first and third party.

I think we'll get: another Square Enix character (Geno, 2B or Neku); a new Bandai Namco character (Tekken, Tales of, KOS-MOS or Nightmare); a Xenoblade character (Rex, Elma or Mecha-Fiora); Octoling (the SAVE OUR SALMONS image on New Years Day as well as a Splatfest rerun with MAYBE more to follow); aaaaaaand a demanded western third party (most likely Crash cause RIP Doom Slayer)

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Three Marios sounds weird enough.
I would be totally OK with Paper Mario as a new rep and actually think he has very high chances to get in especially today. I consider him a matter of when rather than if honestly, he deserves it and has extremely interesting moveset potential.
 

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so aside from the ARMS character, I'm also expecting a 50-50 split between first and third party.

I think we'll get: another Square Enix character (Geno, 2B or Neku); a new Bandai Namco character (Tekken, Tales of, KOS-MOS or Nightmare); a Xenoblade character (Rex, Elma or Mecha-Fiora); Octoling (the SAVE OUR SALMONS image on New Years Day as well as a Splatfest rerun with MAYBE more to follow); aaaaaaand a demanded western third party (most likely Crash cause RIP Doom Slayer)

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I'm absolutely certain Octolings have no chance this time around. Cannot see them coming up with an entirely new moveset instead than making them an Inkling echo, and this pass won't feature echoes. Could see the rest happening though.
 

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so aside from the ARMS character, I'm also expecting a 50-50 split between first and third party.

I think we'll get: another Square Enix character (Geno, 2B or Neku); a new Bandai Namco character (Tekken, Tales of, KOS-MOS or Nightmare); a Xenoblade character (Rex, Elma or Mecha-Fiora); Octoling (the SAVE OUR SALMONS image on New Years Day as well as a Splatfest rerun with MAYBE more to follow); aaaaaaand a demanded western third party (most likely Crash cause RIP Doom Slayer)

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I'm personally expecting 76: Spring Man, 77: Paper Mario, 78: Travis Touchdown, 79: Ryu Hayabusa
80: Crash Bandicoot and 81: Gen 8 Pokemon
 

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I'm absolutely certain Octolings have no chance this time around. Cannot see them coming up with an entirely new moveset instead than making them an Inkling echo, and this pass won't feature echoes. Could see the rest happening though.
there's other weapons besides the ones the Inklings use. They could be unique. Isabelle has a sizeable amount of differences from Villager, after all
 

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there's other weapons besides the ones the Inklings use. They could be unique. Isabelle has a sizeable amount of differences from Villager, after all
Technically they can but I don't think they would considered worthy of doing it since they could 100% work as an echo. I think they'll have more chances once next Smash comes around, they're done for this one though.

They could make an entire new moveset for Funky Kong too but we all know if they ever considered that character he's going to end up as an echo of DK.
 

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Technically they can but I don't think they would considered worthy of doing it since they could 100% work as an echo. I think they'll have more chances once next Smash comes around, they're done for this one though.

They could make an entire new moveset for Funky Kong too but we all know if they ever considered that character he's going to end up as an echo of DK.
If they ever make Funky an echo of DK, the neutral special, in my opinion, wouldn't make sense.
 

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If they ever make Funky an echo of DK, the neutral special, in my opinion, wouldn't make sense.
Even half of Dark Samus' moveset does not make sense since she never used those attacks but they realized that while she was requested enough to appear in the game, she wasn't worthy of too much work, they saw the opportunity of making her an echo and they did. Even Daisy, Dr. Mario etc have movesets which don't represent the character completely right but they were not important enough to deserve something bigger.

Octolings with new moveset ain't happening this game 100%, maybe in the next one if a new Splatoon releases meanwhile and totally shakes up their moveset in the game itself. But I'm also pretty sure that if they have any chance to appear it'll be as an Inkling echo in the next at best.

Unless they announce some echo fighter pack for Ultimate, in that case yeah they could happen surely.
 

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The problem is not about a third Mario, it's that Metal Mario would be hilariously boring as a pick. I'm all for Paper Mario in Smash, for example.
You struggled to come up with small differences like "Metal Mario is heavier so he jumps higher". That is the definition of a boring pick and a wasted slot.
Yeah. I think it would make for a fun easter egg if Mario was referred to as Metal Mario in Metal Smash, but I don't think he would bring much to the table as a full character (I mean, I guess he'd be ok as an Echo Fighter but like, why?). Honestly, a more fully decloned Dr. Mario would be better. There's quite a bit of missed opportunities there.

Oop, new page.
You don't have to worry about not responding to things on a previous page. People only get mad if you bring up an issue from 8+ pages back and the conversation has since moved on.

two wrongs don't make a right.
I think the issue with them is that these characters don't do anything that Link prime doesn't do. There's a ton of missed opportunities here.

Well that and there aren't any Zelda characters that aren't the main three.

If they ever make Funky an echo of DK, the neutral special, in my opinion, wouldn't make sense.
Sure it would. Just give it that Funky Flair!

Should probably give him something to do with that surfboard though.
 

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They only made echos to get a few requested fighters in.
Some of them, and Octolings aren't nearly as requested as those other characters.
If you think they're going to make an entirely new moveset for Octolings for this pass while perfectly knowing they would work very well as glorified skins you're kinda setting yourself up for disappointment.
It really is a matter of logic with this one: Sakurai is not going to waste development time for a new character of this pass which was already announced to contain completely new and original movesets (most of the time even gimmicky ones) for a character that works 100% as an echo of an already existing one, even more so than certain echoes that actually appeared in the game.
 

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Isn't he more popular than Ryu is though?
in Street Fighter, yes. I don't think he was particularly demanded for Smash though. ppl did agree he was a no brainer for an Echo tho, regardless of whether or not they wanted him
 

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I don't think Ken was anywhere near as requested as DS, Chrom or Daisy

Richter was just a bonus for the main Castlevania showstopper, Simon
Isn't Richter more popular in Japan or something? I figured the additions of Simon and Richter were a "pleasing both the West and East" sort of deal.
 

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in Street Fighter, yes. I don't think he was particularly demanded for Smash though. ppl did agree he was a no brainer for an Echo tho, regardless of whether or not they wanted him
Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking.

EDIT: It wouldn't be accurate to say he's not popular, he just wasn't a big request.
 
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Isn't Richter more popular in Japan or something? I figured the additions of Simon and Richter were a "pleasing both the West and East" sort of deal.
My only exposure to Richter pre-Smash was the "WHAT IS A MAN?" scene that became somewhat of a meme

...yeah i was a meme loving **** when younger. kinda still am
 

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Ken was probably added anyways given he's THE original Echo fighter and adding him due to that was an nod to fighting games.
 

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from the beginning of Ultimate speculation there were three echoes everyone expected: Dark Samus, Shadow, and Ken.

It's been a year and a half, and I still don't get why he wasn't an echo.
 

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from the beginning of Ultimate speculation there were three echoes everyone expected: Dark Samus, Shadow, and Ken.

It's been a year and a half, and I still don't get why he wasn't an echo.
Probably because Shadow despite looking like Sonic has different abilities notably Chaos Emeralds and the fact he uses guns in some games.

Honestly Shadow is different enough he can be given his own moveset or be an semi-clone at most.
 
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Probably because Shadow despite looking like Sonic has different abilities notably Chaos Emeralds and the fact he uses guns in some games.

Honestly Shadow is different enough he can be given his own moveset or be an semi-clone at most.
they let Bayonetta, Snake and Joker in tho

i recall reading it was due to Sega being picky about how Shadow and Sonic were portrayed or something like that?
 

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Probably because Shadow despite looking like Sonic has different abilities notably Chaos Emeralds and the fact he uses guns in some games.

Honestly Shadow is different enough he can be given his own moveset or be an semi-clone at most.
I think he simply didn't have the time honestly. Shadow would be perfect as an echo, he probably just didn't care enough to bother
 
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