Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Perkilator]

I’m on the Captain Toad hype train, too! Here’s a moveset I made based around GameXplain’s idea:

Spoiler

Intro: Captain Toad/Toadette’s level starting animation from Treasure Tracker, complete with a circle around his/her face that fades away.

Stance/Idle 1: His/her idle animation from Treasure Tracker.

Idle 2: His/her secondary level starting animation from Treasure Tracker.


Notable Palette Swaps:
-Default (Captain Toad)
-Default (Toadette)
-Blue Toad (Captain Toad)
-1-Up Mushroom (Toadette)
-Yellow Toad (Captain Toad)
-Super Mushroom (Toadette)
-Poison Mushroom (Captain Toad)
-Peachette colors (Toadette)

Walk: Their walk cycle from Treasure Tracker.

Dash: Captain Toad/Toadette hi-tails it with his/her stubby legs. The speed depends on the weight of their backpack.

Damage: Their death pose from Treasure Tracker.

Jump: Captain Toad/Toadette jumps about as high as Luigi when his/her backpack is empty. The jump height is lowered to about Mario’s when his/her backpack is full.

Crouch: Captain Toad/Toadette crouches as though he/she’s blocking wind.


Weapon of Choice: While Captain Toad/Toadette doesn’t have a designated “weapon”, he/she can defend him/herself in various ways.


Jab: Captain Toad/Toadette slaps the opponent twice (4%, small knockback), and then swings his/her head downward (7%, OK knockback)
Forward+A: Captain Toad/Toadette quickly turns around to look for something, obliviously smacking the opponent with his/her backpack (8% when empty, OK knockback; 11% when full, OK knockback)
Down+A: Captain Toad/Toadette tosses a coin towards the opponent (6%, small knockback)
Up+A: Captain Toad/Toadette looks up as he/she turns on his/her head lamp (7%, small knockback)

Air+A: Captain Toad/Toadette drops two coins from either side of him/her (7% each, small knockback)
Air Forward+A: Captain Toad/Toadette discovers a Boo with his/her head lamp, and it disappears into a cloud of dust (10%, OK knockback)
Air Back + A: Captain Toad/Toadette tosses a Vegetable from his/her backpack (7%, small knockback)
Air Up+A: Captain Toad/Toadette holds up a clear Super Star (11%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Captain Toad/Toadette swings his/her backpack downward (13% when empty, OK knockback; 22% with a meteor effect when full, medium knockback)

Dash Attack: Captain Toad/Toadette trips over and bashes the opponent with his/her head (11%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Captain Toad/Toadette slams down with his/her head (10%, OK knockback)
Get-Up Attack: Captain Toad/Toadette jumps up and lets his/her arms and legs stretch out (8%, small knockback)

Smash Moves
Forward+A: Captain Toad/Toadette swings his/her backpack forward (14% when empty, OK knockback; 27% when full, medium knockback)
Up+A: Captain Toad/Toadette pulls out a big Vegetable (20%, medium knockback) that falls on the ground. It can then be used as an item (11%, OK knockback)
Down+A: Captain Toad/Toadette slams the ground with a Super Pickax (22%, medium knockback)

Grab: Boos suddenly appear, invisible, and grab the opponent.
Pummel: Captain Toad/Toadette discovers the Boos with his/her head lamp (4%)
Forwards+Throw: Captain Toad/Toadette tries to kick the Boos away, only to kick the opponent away by accident (12%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Captain Toad/Toadette repeatedly attacks the opponent with the Super Pickax (19%, medium knockback)
Back+Throw: Captain Toad/Toadetter throws the opponent to the area behind them, trying to make the Boos go away (11%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: The opponent is forced underground by the Boos, and Captain Toad/Toadette reduces them (well, sort of) by pulling them out of the ground (13%, OK knockback)

Special Moves

B : Super Gem Toss; Captain Toad/Toadette pulls a Super Gem out of his/her backpack and tosses it at the opponent (20%, medium knockback). When the backpack’s empty, nothing happens.
B + Forwards : Pickax Dig; Captain Toad/Toadette takes out a Super Pickax and uses it to dig out a Vegetable (17%, OK knockback). You’ll sometimes dig out an item.
B + Up : Backpack Slingshot; Captain Toad/Toadette catapulte themselves by pulling their backpack strings and launching themselves. This move deals no damage, but you are launched farther when the backpack (which respawns once you touch the ground) is full.
B + Down : Grass Pull; Captain Toad/Toadette pulls on grass, and pulls an item from out of the ground. When his/her backpack is empty, he/she finds a Super Gem. When he/she already has one, he/she pulls out a giant Vegetable instead.

Final Smash: Wingo; Wingo appears and snatches Captain Toad/Toadette. Captain Toad/Toadette is now hanging for dear life on the Super Star on Wingo’s necklace. Wingo can be controlled by the player to move left or right, and can snatch opponents by pressing A or B. Any opponent(s) snatcher will be taken up to the top blast zone, K.O.-ing the, instantly.

Gimmick: Captain Toad/Toadette’s backpack alters his/her weight. When it’s empty, attacks involving the backpack will be weaker, but Captain Toad/Toadette have less jump weight. The opposite is true for when it’s full.


Taunts
1: Captain Toad/Toadette marches in a circle while humming.
2: Captain Toad/Toadette gets angry and stomps the ground; based on the intermission cutscenes from Treasure Tracker.
1+2: Captain Toad/Toadette stares in awe towards the camera and slightly moves his/her head.


Winposes
1: Captain Toad/Toadette animation for when he clears a level.
2: Captain Toad/Toadette sets a fire, only to see Wingo flying away with Toadette/Captain Toad, and runs off after them.
3: Captain Toad/Toadette’s victory dance after beating Wingo.

Icon: Mario series Icon

Boxing Ring Title:
-Toad Brigade Treasure Tracker (Captain Toad)
-Our Most Treasured Tracker (Toadette)

Victory Music: youtu.be/7ux4MdJTO7w

Kirby Hat: Captain Toad Or Toadette’s mushroom hat and head lamp

 

[CandySamaurai92]

Ooh. That's nice

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

so yeah my intuition of random announcements was spot on. wouldn't be surprised if FP6/FP7 was shown this way too

 

[CandySamaurai92]

I'll be back soon. I think around 1:00. Bye y'all

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I hope they have some good timing on these; I'd feel sorry for the hypothetical fan West Coast desperately wanting Crash in Smash, only to have it immediately spoiled because Nintendo posted the trailer at 9AM EST.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'll be back soon. I think around 1:00. Bye y'all

you don't have to announce this every time, you know. just post and reply when you can. this can be considered spam

 

[osby]

I hope they have some good timing on these; I'd feel sorry for the hypothetical fan West Coast desperately wanting Crash in Smash, only to have it immediately spoiled because Nintendo posted the trailer at 9AM EST.

Yeah, getting your most wanted in Smash sounds rough.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

so yeah my intuition of random announcements was spot on. wouldn't be surprised if FP6/FP7 was shown this way too

I kinda wonder if Nintendo/Sakurai will announce an time for the reveal or simply shadow drop it...

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Yeah, getting your most wanted in Smash sounds rough.

Yeah, clearly I'm the fool for thinking some fans might want to find out in a trailer and not via seeing a Twitter hashtag.

Silly me.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah, clearly I'm the fool for thinking some fans might want to get reveal in a trailer and not via seeing Twitter hashtag.

Silly me.

I was excited to wake up to see Shulk announced for Smash 4. He was my most wanted then. Just saying if I woke up to see Elma confirmed for Smash Ultimate I'd be heckin OVER THE MOON

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I was excited to wake up to see Shulk announced for Smash 4. He was my most wanted then. Just saying if I woke up to see Elma confirmed for Smash Ultimate I'd be heckin OVER THE MOON

I don't doubt it. I'm just saying there's some who really enjoy seeing the announcements done in video trailers more than other ways.

 

[PeridotGX]

when people want an irrelevant puppet and mario 3 over the great lord of chortles

 

[Rie Sonomura]

when people want an irrelevant puppet and mario 3 over the great lord of chortles
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they just don't HAVE FURY!

 

[Cosmic77]

C'mon, you know this would be a really cool move in Smash.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

C'mon, you know this would be a really cool move in Smash.

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Donkey Kong could already do that with his forward air since 1999.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

when people want an irrelevant puppet and mario 3 over the great lord of chortles

It may just be more exposure of Paper Mario and Geno, but I like the idea of them in Smash way better. I had loads of fun with Super Paper Mario, and I think Geno's pretty cool from what I've played of Super Mario RPG...

Actually, in the case of Geno, I think it is just the more exposure thing. I've only really seen one outstanding moment from the character, which is just as many as I've seen from Fawful, and Fawful's was brilliant (though it was more Prince Peasely that made it but it was still fantastic writing on both fronts).

EDIT: I will say though, his pink clown outfit makes me uncomfortable.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

Dang, I missed out on the juicy talk

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Donkey Kong could already do that with his forward air since 1999.

Could be a fun grab though.

Dang, I missed out on the juicy talk

...Not really. You can still comment on it. Nobody's gonna stop you, especially since we haven't even moved onto the next page since you left.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

Could be a fun grab though.


...Not really. You can still comment on it. Nobody's gonna stop you, especially since we haven't even moved onto the next page since you left.

OK, cool. I'm back I guess.

I want Dixie Kong for Smash. She could be an echo of Diddy, but I'm hoping people are creative enough to give her a unique moveset. (i know i'm not creative enough)

 

[TheCJBrine]

I’ve pondered the idea of Metal Mario in Smash as his own fighter.

Now, before you grab your “THREE MARIOS?!” pitchforks and torches like some may for Paper Bro (though Mario Papel would definitely be unique), hear me out:

Metal Mario, while looking like a shiny reskin of Mario lacking pupils and irises, is actually his own character with an altered personality, and not just Mario with the SM64 Metal Cap. He’s cockier, and says some things differently, like a mysterious clone, reflection, or maybe a version of Mario from an alternate universe; so, he’s kinda like Dark Metaknight or Dark Link, in a way. Personally, I think he’s really cool, and plus, Meta Crystal’s music is a banger (I know it’s in Ultimate).

I imagine Metal Mario being a clone of Mario, but with some differences, and different from Dr. Mario as well. He would be one of the heaviest characters in the game, if not the heaviest, and- well, er, I’ll put the rest in a spoiler:

Spoiler: “I win? Haha, no surprise!”

Stats:

• Metal Mario would, as stated, be among the heaviest fighters in the game, or even #1 in weight.
• To compensate, he’s also more powerful than both Mario and Mario with a PhD when it comes to most of his moves.

Moveset:

• As mentioned before, he’ll mostly be a clone, but there are some differences.
• For example, as another part of compensating for his weight, his Super Jump is higher; it’s not much higher than Mario’s, however. The coins from the jump’s hits also glisten with a metallic gold, instead of the usual gold texture, and the final hit can launch opponents upwards a tad, more if all of the hits land, but it doesn’t deal that much more damage than Mario’s.
• His fireballs will be nearly the same, however they’ll be blue, will be shot farther, and will deal more damage.
• His side-B would either be a sheet of metal, basically the same function as the cape and doctor’s sheet (but maybe could actually knock opponents away), or a new move; but, honestly, I’m not sure what else...
• His down-B would be Mario’s original spin, but a little different...not sure how.
• His final smash could be a blazing blue Finale...or, instead, a cutscene knocking down any hit opponents onto either the original Final Destination, Duel Zone/Battlefield, or Meta Crystal, with him entering with his original walking sounds before proceeding to deliver a beating, the Fighting Polygon Team and Master Hand joining him. Maybe the blue Finale could be what’s used to initiate this.
• His normal moves would mostly be the same, but I have thought of his Dair being the ground pound from Mario’s 3D games; I think that would be cool.

Other differences:

• Metal Mario’s taunts could include him crossing his arms and looking smug, maybe something with the original walk sounds (or perhaps a basic taunting of the opponent that fits him), and Mario’s original Super Mario taunt (where he grows big for a moment).
• His victory screens could show off his cocky/smug personality, with poses and such different from Mario.
• He would have his own voice lines with a metallic filter, or just the filter from Mario Kart, idk, but no reused voices from Kart (but some lines could be the same, like “No surprise!” when winning).

The question that’s probably on your mind:

• The Metal Box wouldn’t be useless; let’s just say Metal Mario gets an extra coat of metal, making him stronger and even heavier.

Yeah, I’m not 100% sure about his moveset, but I like the idea of him basically being a heavier, stronger clone, with at least a few unique moves and stuff of his own, mainly being a cocky, metal reflection of Mario. I guess Metal Killer and Metal Slash could affect him, idk.

He would have an updated version of Meta Crystal as his home stage, the stage now taking some elements and stuff from Mario (maybe partly inspired by the green Hazy Maze Cave) but still getting to have Smash-original music as well as some Mario themes.
The original Meta Crystal music also gets a remix or remaster. His series icon would either just be the usual Mario mushroom, or maybe a metallic version of it like in Smash 64 (personally I like this idea better).

His alts. could include a golden alt., silver, emerald color, diamond color, ruby color, blue sapphire color, copper, rose gold, platinum...etc.

Well, that’s all I’ve got. Let’s-a go, Metal Bro! ...well, for next game, hopefully, because yeah, he’s even less likely to be DLC than he usually is in general,

also, I swear the “No surprise!” quote is from Mario Kart; the wiki doesn’t mention it, but I swear I’ve heard it in Tour (haven’t played MK8 in a long time and don’t have Deluxe so idk about it). I guess he already acts different from Mario anyway, though...

also, regarding the new Paper Mario:

It’s not like TTYD, 64, or SPM it seems, but it still looks good with the partners and new battle system that appears to use equipment and the partners to some degree instead of stickers and cards. I still kinda wish it didn’t focus on the paper aspect anymore than the first three games did, but hey I likely actually wouldn’t mind it as long as the story is good (tbh I actually kinda like it but it is a bit weird after having beat SPM and making it to the Shadow Queen in TTYD).

And...

Is Kamek a partner in the game? I saw him or a Magikoopa in the trailer (I assumed it was Kamek himself because of him being with Bowser Jr. but idk for sure), but is he a selectable character or does he just tag along?

 

[Dark Bagel]

I've only really seen one outstanding moment from the character, which is just as many as I've seen from Fawful

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and assume you've never played Bowser's Inside Story. Fawful is a character who never just has ONE outstanding moment.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

I'm also shocked that Young Link can't use his stuff from Majora's Mask. At least let him use a mask for his Final Smash!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm also shocked that Young Link can't use his stuff from Majora's Mask. At least let him use a mask for his Final Smash!

you have no idea how much i wanted FD Link or some other MM reference to be his FS

but nope! triforce slash AGAIN!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I’ve pondered the idea of Metal Mario in Smash as his own fighter.

Now, before you grab your “THREE MARIOS?!” pitchforks and torches like some may for Paper Bro (though Mario Papel would definitely be unique), hear me out:

Metal Mario, while looking like a shiny reskin of Mario lacking pupils and irises, is actually his own character with an altered personality, and not just Mario with the SM64 Metal Cap. He’s cockier, and says some things differently, like a mysterious clone, reflection, or maybe a version of Mario from an alternate universe; so, he’s kinda like Dark Metaknight or Dark Link, in a way. Personally, I think he’s really cool, and plus, Meta Crystal’s music is a banger (I know it’s in Ultimate).

I imagine Metal Mario being a clone of Mario, but with some differences, and different from Dr. Mario as well. He would be one of the heaviest characters in the game, if not the heaviest, and- well, er, I’ll put the rest in a spoiler:

Spoiler: “I win? Haha, no surprise!”

Stats:

• Metal Mario would, as stated, be among the heaviest fighters in the game, or even #1 in weight.
• To compensate, he’s also more powerful than both Mario and Mario with a PhD when it comes to most of his moves.

Moveset:

• As mentioned before, he’ll mostly be a clone, but there are some differences.
• For example, as another part of compensating for his weight, his Super Jump is higher; it’s not much higher than Mario’s, however. The coins from the jump’s hits also glisten with a metallic gold, instead of the usual gold texture, and the final hit can launch opponents upwards a tad, more if all of the hits land, but it doesn’t deal that much more damage than Mario’s.
• His fireballs will be nearly the same, however they’ll be blue, will be shot farther, and will deal more damage.
• His side-B would either be a sheet of metal, basically the same function as the cape and doctor’s sheet (but maybe could actually knock opponents away), or a new move; but, honestly, I’m not sure what else...
• His down-B would be Mario’s original spin, but a little different...not sure how.
• His final smash could be a blazing blue Finale...or, instead, a cutscene knocking down any hit opponents onto either the original Final Destination, Duel Zone/Battlefield, or Meta Crystal, with him entering with his original walking sounds before proceeding to deliver a beating, the Fighting Polygon Team and Master Hand joining him. Maybe the blue Finale could be what’s used to initiate this.
• His normal moves would mostly be the same, but I have thought of his Dair being the ground pound from Mario’s 3D games; I think that would be cool.

Other differences:

• Metal Mario’s taunts could include him crossing his arms and looking smug, maybe something with the original walk sounds (or perhaps a basic taunting of the opponent that fits him), and Mario’s original Super Mario taunt (where he grows big for a moment).
• His victory screens could show off his cocky/smug personality, with poses and such different from Mario.
• He would have his own voice lines with a metallic filter, or just the filter from Mario Kart, idk, but no reused voices from Kart (but some lines could be the same, like “No surprise!” when winning).

The question that’s probably on your mind:

• The Metal Box wouldn’t be useless; let’s just say Metal Mario gets an extra coat of metal, making him stronger and even heavier.

Yeah, I’m not 100% sure about his moveset, but I like the idea of him basically being a heavier, stronger clone, with at least a few unique moves and stuff of his own, mainly being a cocky, metal reflection of Mario. I guess Metal Killer and Metal Slash could affect him, idk.

He would have an updated version of Meta Crystal as his home stage, the stage now taking some elements and stuff from Mario (maybe partly inspired by the green Hazy Maze Cave) but still getting to have Smash-original music as well as some Mario themes.
The original Meta Crystal music also gets a remix or remaster. His series icon would either just be the usual Mario mushroom, or maybe a metallic version of it like in Smash 64 (personally I like this idea better).

His alts. could include a golden alt., silver, emerald color, diamond color, ruby color, blue sapphire color, copper, rose gold, platinum...etc.

Well, that’s all I’ve got. Let’s-a go, Metal Bro! ...well, for next game, hopefully, because yeah, he’s even less likely to be DLC than he usually is in general,

also, I swear the “No surprise!” quote is from Mario Kart; the wiki doesn’t mention it, but I swear I’ve heard it in Tour (haven’t played MK8 in a long time and don’t have Deluxe so idk about it). I guess he already acts different from Mario anyway, though...

But you can already play as Metal Mario granted briefly. Just play as Mario and grab an metal box.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and assume you've never played Bowser's Inside Story. Fawful is a character who never just has ONE outstanding moment.

You are correct. I haven't played any of the pre-Dream Team games in the series. I've seen Chugga's playthrough on the first two titles (so that's why I really know him at all other than the fact he exists), but he hasn't done Bowser's Inside Story yet.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

you have no idea how much i wanted FD Link or some other MM reference to be his FS

but nope! triforce slash AGAIN!

Triforce Slash is boring. I'm glad they changed the normal Link to something similar to Zelda's in Brawl. It was so satisfying when you hit someone with it.

But, I agree, FD for Young Link's final smash. All. The. Way.

 

[TheCJBrine]

But you can already play as Metal Mario granted briefly. Just play as Mario and grab an metal box.

I feel like you didn’t read my post. I’m talking about Metal Mario the character, Mario grabbing a metal cap isn’t the same.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

I feel like you didn’t read my post. I’m talking about Metal Mario the character, Mario grabbing a metal cap isn’t the same.

With the metal box, Mario becomes heavier and has no voice. That's pretty much it.

 

[ZelDan]

Instead of putting a bunch of Marios in Smash, Mario should just get his own fighting game where you pit a bunch of Marios against eachother.

Mario
Doctor Mario
Metal Mario
Builder Mario from Mario Maker
Paper Mario
Baby Mario
Jump Man
Lego Mario
Pinball Mario
Mario Kart (Mario moving and attacking while in a kart)

See, why the hell does Nintendo not hire me with me genius ideas?

 

[CandySamaurai92]

Instead of putting a bunch of Marios in Smash, Mario should just get his own fighting game where you pit a bunch of Marios against eachother.

Mario
Doctor Mario
Metal Mario
Builder Mario from Mario Maker
Paper Mario
Baby Mario
Jump Man
Lego Mario
Pinball Mario
Mario Kart (Mario moving and attacking while in a kart)

See, why the hell does Nintendo not hire me with me genius ideas?

I see why they should. XD

 

[TheCJBrine]

With the metal box, Mario becomes heavier and has no voice. That's pretty much it.

Yes, I know, I’m talking about the unique Metal Mario who isn’t just Mario with a powerup; the one who’s also playable in Mario Kart and is distinguished as his own character with a different personality than Mario.

please, people, read my post before commenting “but the metal box” ;-;

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

• Metal Mario would, as stated, be among the heaviest fighters in the game, or even #1 in weight.
• To compensate, he’s also more powerful than both Mario and Mario with a PhD when it comes to most of his moves.

For example, as another part of compensating for his weight, his Super Jump is higher; it’s not much higher than Mario’s, however. The coins from the jump’s hits also glisten with a metallic gold, instead of the usual gold texture, and the final hit can launch opponents upwards a tad, more if all of the hits land, but it doesn’t deal that much more damage than Mario’s.

But don't you see? If a character is slow and powerful, then their recovery has to be garbage as well!

I feel like you didn’t read my post. I’m talking about Metal Mario the character, Mario grabbing a metal cap isn’t the same.

There wouldn't really be an indicator that he got the Metal Box though since, in his default costume at least, he'd look the same.

Instead of putting a bunch of Marios in Smash, Mario should just get his own fighting game where you pit a bunch of Marios against eachother.

Mario
Doctor Mario
Metal Mario
Builder Mario from Mario Maker
Paper Mario
Baby Mario
Jump Man
Lego Mario
Pinball Mario
Mario Kart (Mario moving and attacking while in a kart)

See, why the hell does Nintendo not hire me with me genius ideas?

You joke, but people would eat that game up if it was seen as a reasonably inexpensive joke game.

EDIT: Call it Mario Madness, add in most if not every Mario powerup, and I think you've got a good time. Especially if it was a 3v3 team game. That'd be hilarious.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

Yes, I know, I’m talking about the unique Metal Mario who isn’t just Mario with a powerup; the one who’s also playable in Mario Kart and is distinguished as his own character with a different personality than Mario.

Yep. I'd like to see that
A playable, unique Metal Mario.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'd rather get Paper Mario if we get an third Mario. He's unique in his own way at least especially moveset-wise and design (Being he's paper).

 

[SpectreJordan]

Is it also out of the realm of possibility this pass could consist of 1st parties only especially if its Nintendo's means of mostly promotions?

BotW 2 character
Gen 8 Pokemon
Spring Man (ARMS); Get it more noticeable by people. Was also originally considered for Base.
Paper Mario
Rex (Xenoblade); Same as Spring Man.
Sylux

Yes. There’s no way Nintendo sees the hype/sales that Joker, Hero & Banjo caused & then go “Let’s not do anymore of that”. If I remember correctly, Joker crashed the servers.

Nintendo does want to use Smash to promote their upcoming games, but it’s clearly not their only game or else we would’ve gotten those characters in FP1. Promoting their third party partners & getting characters that will cause hype/Easy marketing for Smash are also goals.

At most we’ll get a 50/50 split. Though I’m betting we only get 1 more Nintendo character & the rest are third party.

 

[TheCJBrine]

But don't you see? If a character is slow and powerful, then their recovery has to be garbage as well!


There wouldn't really be an indicator that he got the Metal Box though since, in his default costume at least, he'd look the same.

I guess so, idk

As for the metal box thing, I think Metal Mario could be shaded differently before grabbing it, like how he looks in his Mario Kart render, so he won’t look the same as when he does have it.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

If Metal Mario becomes his own character, he should get a slightly darker shade instead of a lighter one.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I’ve pondered the idea of Metal Mario in Smash as his own fighter.

Now, before you grab your “THREE MARIOS?!” pitchforks and torches like some may for Paper Bro (though Mario Papel would definitely be unique), hear me out:

Metal Mario, while looking like a shiny reskin of Mario lacking pupils and irises, is actually his own character with an altered personality, and not just Mario with the SM64 Metal Cap. He’s cockier, and says some things differently, like a mysterious clone, reflection, or maybe a version of Mario from an alternate universe; so, he’s kinda like Dark Metaknight or Dark Link, in a way. Personally, I think he’s really cool, and plus, Meta Crystal’s music is a banger (I know it’s in Ultimate).

I imagine Metal Mario being a clone of Mario, but with some differences, and different from Dr. Mario as well. He would be one of the heaviest characters in the game, if not the heaviest, and- well, er, I’ll put the rest in a spoiler:

Spoiler: “I win? Haha, no surprise!”

Stats:

• Metal Mario would, as stated, be among the heaviest fighters in the game, or even #1 in weight.
• To compensate, he’s also more powerful than both Mario and Mario with a PhD when it comes to most of his moves.

Moveset:

• As mentioned before, he’ll mostly be a clone, but there are some differences.
• For example, as another part of compensating for his weight, his Super Jump is higher; it’s not much higher than Mario’s, however. The coins from the jump’s hits also glisten with a metallic gold, instead of the usual gold texture, and the final hit can launch opponents upwards a tad, more if all of the hits land, but it doesn’t deal that much more damage than Mario’s.
• His fireballs will be nearly the same, however they’ll be blue, will be shot farther, and will deal more damage.
• His side-B would either be a sheet of metal, basically the same function as the cape and doctor’s sheet (but maybe could actually knock opponents away), or a new move; but, honestly, I’m not sure what else...
• His down-B would be Mario’s original spin, but a little different...not sure how.
• His final smash could be a blazing blue Finale...or, instead, a cutscene knocking down any hit opponents onto either the original Final Destination, Duel Zone/Battlefield, or Meta Crystal, with him entering with his original walking sounds before proceeding to deliver a beating, the Fighting Polygon Team and Master Hand joining him. Maybe the blue Finale could be what’s used to initiate this.
• His normal moves would mostly be the same, but I have thought of his Dair being the ground pound from Mario’s 3D games; I think that would be cool.

Other differences:

• Metal Mario’s taunts could include him crossing his arms and looking smug, maybe something with the original walk sounds (or perhaps a basic taunting of the opponent that fits him), and Mario’s original Super Mario taunt (where he grows big for a moment).
• His victory screens could show off his cocky/smug personality, with poses and such different from Mario.
• He would have his own voice lines with a metallic filter, or just the filter from Mario Kart, idk, but no reused voices from Kart (but some lines could be the same, like “No surprise!” when winning).

The question that’s probably on your mind:

• The Metal Box wouldn’t be useless; let’s just say Metal Mario gets an extra coat of metal, making him stronger and even heavier.

Yeah, I’m not 100% sure about his moveset, but I like the idea of him basically being a heavier, stronger clone, with at least a few unique moves and stuff of his own, mainly being a cocky, metal reflection of Mario. I guess Metal Killer and Metal Slash could affect him, idk.

He would have an updated version of Meta Crystal as his home stage, the stage now taking some elements and stuff from Mario (maybe partly inspired by the green Hazy Maze Cave) but still getting to have Smash-original music as well as some Mario themes.
The original Meta Crystal music also gets a remix or remaster. His series icon would either just be the usual Mario mushroom, or maybe a metallic version of it like in Smash 64 (personally I like this idea better).

His alts. could include a golden alt., silver, emerald color, diamond color, ruby color, blue sapphire color, copper, rose gold, platinum...etc.

Well, that’s all I’ve got. Let’s-a go, Metal Bro! ...well, for next game, hopefully, because yeah, he’s even less likely to be DLC than he usually is in general,

also, I swear the “No surprise!” quote is from Mario Kart; the wiki doesn’t mention it, but I swear I’ve heard it in Tour (haven’t played MK8 in a long time and don’t have Deluxe so idk about it). I guess he already acts different from Mario anyway, though...

also, regarding the new Paper Mario:

It’s not like TTYD, 64, or SPM it seems, but it still looks good with the partners and new battle system that appears to use equipment and the partners to some degree instead of stickers and cards. I still kinda wish it didn’t focus on the paper aspect anymore than the first three games did, but hey I likely actually wouldn’t mind it as the story is good.

And...

Is Kamek a partner in the game? I saw him or a Magikoopa in the trailer (I assumed it was Kamek himself because of him being with Bowser Jr. but idk for sure), but is he a selectable character or does he just tag along?

The problem is not about a third Mario, it's that Metal Mario would be hilariously boring as a pick. I'm all for Paper Mario in Smash, for example.
You struggled to come up with small differences like "Metal Mario is heavier so he jumps higher". That is the definition of a boring pick and a wasted slot.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yes. There’s no way Nintendo sees the hype/sales that Joker, Hero & Banjo caused & then go “Let’s not do anymore of that”. If I remember correctly, Joker crashed the servers.

Nintendo does want to use Smash to promote their upcoming games, but it’s clearly not their only game or else we would’ve gotten those characters in FP1. Promoting their third party partners & getting characters that will cause hype/Easy marketing for Smash are also goals.

At most we’ll get a 50/50 split. Though I’m betting we only get 1 more Nintendo character & the rest are third party.

Honestly I could see two more. Three 1st party and three 3rd party.

I definitely expect one of them to be an Gen 8 Pokemon.

 

[CandySamaurai92]

The problem is not about a third Mario, it's that Metal Mario would be hilariously boring as a pick. I'm all for Paper Mario in Smash, for example.
You struggled to come up with small differences like "Metal Mario is heavier so he jumps higher". That is the definition of a boring pick and a wasted slot.

Ooh, someone else with me on Paper Mario joining Smash.