Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hadokeyblade]

@Opossum would like a word with you.
Anyways, what Assist Trophies do you guys want to accompany the DLC characters, along with your most wanted? I made a thread asking this a while back. My picks are:

Joker: Jack Frost
Hero: Golem
Banjo: Mumbo Jumbo
Terry: Nakoruru
Byleth: Hanneman

Sora: Riku
Crash: N. Trance
Arle: Schezo
Jill Valentine: Chris
Axel Stone: Mr. X

Futaba
Jade
Mumbo Jumbo
Andy
Ferdinand von aeir
Axel
Goro Majima
Emmy
Ogami

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Btw if we're talking cuts I think we should cut all the Pokemon because of how STINGY TPC is, it's not a coincidence that out of all the Pokemon spirits in the game, only like 6 get to use actual official artwork. On that note, we should cut all the Nintendo owned characters, if they're so stingy to not hire VAs despite hyping up how characters get voiced, it'll be hard to get Mario back next game

 

[Rie Sonomura]

ARMS (4 for the price of one): Dr. Coyle, Lola Pop or Spring Man's stage.
Geno: Forest Maze, Moleville (ft Booster's Tower), Star Hill or Nimbus Land
Rex and Pyra: Uraya, Leftherian Archipelago or Alrest as a Traveling Stage
Elma: Noctilum or Sylvalum
Lyoid Irving: Tower of Salvation
Phoenix Wright: Courtroom (no bombing or Smash gets a rating increase)
Solaire of Astoria: Majula
Master Chief: "Blood Gulch"

I really dont think that was the reason Dual Destinies was rated M

Spoiler: DD spoilers

I think it was more the implication that young Athena "thought something was wrong with mom" so she was gonna "take her apart to fix her" as if she were a robot. her mother was already dead, but she basically put her mom's body under the dismantling machine for the robots and... that's why she developed trauma relevant to that specific case. it's not so much what's shown, but what's implied, and graphic violence was implied. 999 for the DS was rated M for similar reasons

...imagine the irony typing this out on mother's day

 

[Mr. Robotto]

@Opossum would like a word with you.
Anyways, what Assist Trophies do you guys want to accompany the DLC characters, along with your most wanted? I made a thread asking this a while back. My picks are:

Joker: Jack Frost
Hero: Golem
Banjo: Mumbo Jumbo
Terry: Nakoruru
Byleth: Hanneman

Sora: Riku
Crash: N. Trance
Arle: Schezo
Jill Valentine: Chris
Axel Stone: Mr. X

Joker: Futaba, she's the only team member (besides Crow) not to be featured in Mementos and that's a crime. Her Persona, Necronomicon, could hover right above a certain character and scan them. A monologue would trigger from Futaba herself and she'll enrich the audience with her amazing nerd knowledge on the fighter she scanned. She would then buff the player who summoned her as she leaves the stage.

Hero: Seeing as that Fighter Pack was heavily focused on DQXI, I'd pick Jade. She'd lock a fighter in a rapid combo involving her spear.
However if I could pick a character from the franchise in general, I'd pick Terry, his Dragon Quest Monsters incarnation in fact. He would summon random iconic Dragon Quest monsters on the stage (Slimes, Golems, Saber, etc...), they would then attack random fighters.

Banjo: I've never played Banjo&Kazooie so I can't really say... uhm. Let's just look at the wiki and pick a random character. Oh, Conga the Ape. He looks like he could beat the living out of people! Conga the Ape it is then.

Terry: Seeing as Geese is already a cameo on the King of Fighters stage, I'll pick another iconic hard-as-balls boss: Rugal Bernstein! He'll use moves like Genocide Cutter, Geese's Reppuuken and Krauser's Kaiser Wave.

Byleth: Gatekeeper all the way, best character in Three Houses hands down. He'll just stand on the stage and do nothing, he's already perfect.

Now as for the Assist Trophies that will come with my most-wanted characters.

Phoenix Wright: Godot is absolutely my favorite character of the entire franchise. Everytime he gets summoned his jazzy theme, The Fragrance of Dark Coffee, will start to play. He'll then proceed to shout "OBJECTION" at random players, and everyone who gets caught in his objection bubble will receive damage and get knocked back very far. Oh yeah, he will also throw cups of coffee at you. Typical Ace Attorney stuff.

Sol Badguy: Justice could serve as both a Boss and an Assist Trophy. She'll execute VERY powerful moves like her iconic Gamma Ray (which is basically just a very big Hyper Beam) and her Instant Kill, X-Laser. Where she grabs a fighter and rapidly flies up, ending the attack with a huge explosion.

Kazuma Kiryu: Majima of course! He'll run through the stage slashing everyone in his way with his knife. If Kiryu is a fighter on the stage, he'll target him specifically while screaming "KIRYUU-CHAAN!". He breakdances occasionally.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On that note, we should cut all the Nintendo owned characters, if they're so stingy to not hire VAs despite hyping up how characters get voiced, it'll be hard to get Mario back next game

Don't worry. I called Nintendo yesterday and they agreed to pay me $5 to voice everyone. The crisis will be averted, and DK, Diddy, and Bowser will get their cartooney voices as a bonus. Well...So long as you can get past the fact that everyone sounds like a 12 year old...

'cuz that's what I sound like...

even though I'm an adult...

 

[chocolatejr9]

Btw if we're talking cuts I think we should cut all the Pokemon because of how STINGY TPC is, it's not a coincidence that out of all the Pokemon spirits in the game, only like 6 get to use actual official artwork. On that note, we should cut all the Nintendo owned characters, if they're so stingy to not hire VAs despite hyping up how characters get voiced, it'll be hard to get Mario back next game

I think you're overthinking this...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

On the topic, always keep in mind that almost every cut the Smash series has seen thus far has either been a clone, a semi-clone, or suffered from technical issues that kept them from properly functioning on the engine of one game platform.

Mewtwo and Snake were the big exceptions. Mewtwo, I forget if there was ever an explanation given for why it was cut, but Snake didn't make it to 4 was because there was simply because Kojima no longer held the rights to Snake, and because there was no communication with Konami that time around.

With the exception of Ultimate, full-blown clones (properly defined Echos as of that entry) tend to be lower priority, thus putting them further in line on the chopping block. Could that change? Well, yeah, but it held a pattern for two games straight until Ultimate just brought everyone back for the sake of pleasing as many fans as possible. As for third-parties, the simple way to put it is that deals and relations with other companies could change by the time another game is in development, so any number of third parties could stay or go depending on what's going on behind the scenes. We have little means of predicting that unless we get active and legitimate news about Nintendo's relationship with the company in question.

In other words, don't get your hopes up too high for your veteran to stay, certain unique characters could still be cut for any reason, but I think the most realistic approach here, until another game actually enters development in the first place, is to anticipate more Echo and third-party cuts than any others.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Don't worry. I called Nintendo yesterday and they agreed to pay me $5 to voice everyone. The crisis will be averted, and DK, Diddy, and Bowser will get their cartooney voices as a bonus. Well...So long as you can get past the fact that everyone sounds like a 12 year old...

'cuz that's what I sound like...

even though I'm an adult...

Hey it's better than looking like a 12 year old right?

I think you're overthinking this...

nononono Square is so stingy that they went to John Nintendo's house, put a gun to his head and dictated that their characters never get English voices, Nintendo purists and nazis told me Nintendo could do no wrong so this is absolutely what happened

 

[Hadokeyblade]

In other words, don't get your hopes up too high for your veteran to stay, certain unique characters could still be cut for any reason, but I think the most realistic approach here, until another game actually enters development in the first place, is to anticipate more Echo and third-party cuts than any others.

I feel like the ones with the biggest chance to stay are the Sega and Capcom trios.

Sega has always seemed pretty friendly when it comes to Smash, we currently have 5 of their games in Smash as it is. And Capcom is Capcom. I would be shocked if Mr crossover himself, Ryu DIDN'T come back.

 

[3BitSaurus]

On the topic, always keep in mind that almost every cut the Smash series has seen thus far has either been a clone, a semi-clone, or suffered from technical issues that kept them from properly functioning on the engine of one game platform.

Mewtwo and Snake were the big exceptions. Mewtwo, I forget if there was ever an explanation given for why it was cut, but Snake didn't make it to 4 was because there was simply because Kojima no longer held the rights to Snake, and because there was no communication with Konami that time around.

With the exception of Ultimate, full-blown clones (properly defined Echos as of that entry) tend to be lower priority, thus putting them further in line on the chopping block. Could that change? Well, yeah, but it held a pattern for two games straight until Ultimate just brought everyone back for the sake of pleasing as many fans as possible. As for third-parties, the simple way to put it is that deals and relations with other companies could change by the time another game is in development, so any number of third parties could stay or go depending on what's going on behind the scenes. We have little means of predicting that unless we get active and legitimate news about Nintendo's relationship with the company in question.

In other words, don't get your hopes up too high for your veteran to stay, certain unique characters could still be cut for any reason, but I think the most realistic approach here, until another game actually enters development in the first place, is to anticipate more Echo and third-party cuts than any others.

If I'm not mistaken, Mewtwo was one of the datamined Brawl characters that were cut at the last moment, wasn't he? In that case, the only real exception among cuts is Snake, who is third party.

As far as cuts go, I expect a chunk of the clones and semiclones to go, with only a few returning as "last-minute additions", as clones usually are in Smash development. For the third party, the only ones I'd call into question are Konami's, Square's and Banjo & Kazooie, because they depend the most on how company relationships and license pricing will be at the time the next Smash gets made. But I think the Sega and Capcom ones, as well as Pac-Man and Terry, are safe.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If I'm not mistaken, Mewtwo was one of the datamined Brawl characters that were cut at the last moment, wasn't he? In that case, the only real exception among cuts is Snake, who is third party.

He was. The reason he didn't make it was due to time constraints.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Of course there's always the chance that Bayonetta 3 takes so long to make that she falls into obscurity and isn't even considered to return. lol

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Realistically I can't see Fire Emblem dipping below five characters at the very least in the next Smash. Six if we get a newcomer. Not really sorry if that upsets you tbh.

Smash Fans: Ugh! Still too many Fire Emblem characters! Cut at least two more!

 

[SNEKeater]

Yeah, 9 isn't the favorite after 7, that's 6 (hell, depending on who you ask, 6 is more beloved than 7).

And having four FF7 characters, as beloved as it is, with the other characters being generic mascots and the protagonist of a not-greatly received game is a good way to cause massive backlash. I won't downplay 7's iconicness and impact, but there's 14 other games in the series, to have 8 characters and completely lack variety in terms of games represented is a terrible idea.

Hmm, maybe it's my perspective but nowadays, or at least before FF7R was released, I'd say FFIX is usually considered the best game in the series. It's usually between IX, VII and VI.

VII is the most popular one and if it wasn't the case, FF7R fixed that. That's for sure.
And yeah, I wouldn't give VII more than 2 characters if somehow the franchise ended getting 8 characters or something like that. I'd include Sephiroth or maybe Tifa.

But if I had to choose:
1. Cloud
2. Squall
3. Zidane
4. Tidus
5. Cecil
6. Terra
7. Kefka
8. Sephiroth

Maybe this wouldn't be the best list if we go for 100% unique and original movesets, but it would feel wrong to include Vivi over Zidane or Jecht over Tidus, for example.
Squall could have an interesting gimmick around his gun sword. Zidane would be the second thief in Smash, but he could play more like a thief than Joker does. His dual daggers would function similar to Pit's, but Zidane is pretty acrobatic. Tidus could have a moveset with a strong presence of the blitzball, plus of course his aquatic sword.
Cecil and his dual transformation is a no brainer for a moveset. Plus, he's great and an underrated character in the series. Terra could work around spells or his Esper form, maybe even both at the same time, and that could be awesome.

Putting Kefka there because he's the best villain in the series, and having a crazy clown with an erratic magic moveset would be really cool in my opinion. Then of course Sephiroth, a great villain and one of the most recognizable ones out there. His sword would be a nightmare.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Expect and to go.

Lucina ain't getting cut given how "easy" she is. I don't expect Ike either.

Chrom on the other hand I can though.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I think you're overthinking this...

I think you're missing the joke.

If I'm not mistaken, Mewtwo was one of the datamined Brawl characters that were cut at the last moment, wasn't he? In that case, the only real exception among cuts is Snake, who is third party.

As far as cuts go, I expect a chunk of the clones and semiclones to go, with only a few returning as "last-minute additions", as clones usually are in Smash development. For the third party, the only ones I'd call into question are Konami's, Square's and Banjo & Kazooie, because they depend the most on how company relationships and license pricing will be at the time the next Smash gets made. But I think the Sega and Capcom ones, as well as Pac-Man and Terry, are safe.

He was, but my point is that why he was low priority hasn't ever really been explained. His moveset was completely unique. He wasn't a clone or semi-clone like the other cuts from Melee to Brawl. My guess is that it might have had something to do with fan reception in-game and possible fading popularity in the Pokemon fanbase at the time; either that or Sakurai was more focused on prioritizing the Pokemon newcomers over it's last two newcomers. With that in mind, now that I think about it, some Pokemon might be in danger in the future as well if their popularity doesn't hold up or if the focus shifts towards adding yet more new Pokemon.

And yeah, so long as Nintendo and the companies remain on good terms with each other, they are indeed safe.

 

[Perkilator]

He was. The reason he didn't make it was due to time constraints.

Apparently it even had its own victory theme and Wii Remote sound, and Roy only had the former. I’m not joking.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hmm, maybe it's my perspective but nowadays, or at least before FF7R was released, I'd say FFIX is usually considered the best game in the series. It's usually between IX, VII and VI.

VII is the most popular one and if it wasn't the case, FF7R fixed that. That's for sure.
And yeah, I wouldn't give VII more than 2 characters if somehow the franchise ended getting 8 characters or something like that. I'd include Sephiroth or maybe Tifa.

But if I had to choose:
1. Cloud
2. Squall
3. Zidane
4. Tidus
5. Cecil
6. Terra
7. Kefka
8. Sephiroth

Maybe this wouldn't be the best list if we go for 100% unique and original movesets, but it would feel wrong to include Vivi over Zidane or Jecht over Tidus, for example.
Squall could have an interesting gimmick around his gun sword. Zidane would be the second thief in Smash, but he could play more like a thief than Joker does. His dual daggers would function similar to Pit's, but Zidane is pretty acrobatic. Tidus could have a moveset with a strong presence of the blitzball, plus of course his aquatic sword.
Cecil and his dual transformation is a no brainer for a moveset. Plus, he's great and an underrated character in the series. Terra could work around spells or his Esper form, maybe even both at the same time, and that could be awesome.

Putting Kefka there because he's the best villain in the series, and having a crazy clown with an erratic magic moveset would be really cool in my opinion. Then of course Sephiroth, a great villain and one of the most recognizable ones out there. His sword would be a nightmare.

Isn't Squall's gimmick timed hits in FF8? smh his gimmick should be being the best looking guy on the roster and always having a final smash available at high percentages

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If there is an Smash 6 which there probably will be. Two new characters I'm certain are making it will be Spring Man and Waluigi assuming they don't get promoted.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I second this, Terranigma's awesome and the music's gorgeous. So gorgeous that Melee cribbed its main theme from it.

Since Square Enix finally gave us a Collection of Mana after all these years, you think we'll ever get Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma collection?

Or an Actraiser collection?

Or release all 5 games as "The Quintet Quintet".

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Apparently it even had its own victory theme and Wii Remote sound, and Roy only had the former. I’m not joking.

Reading that Source Gaming article in the link reminds me...

...Regardless of whatever the community's preferred stance on the whole "prai-mai" file is, I would still really like to see Plusle and Minun join the battle someday.

I'm not actively supporting them. I don't think they're anywhere near likely to ever make it. They're more of a pipe dream I have anymore rather than someone I think stands a more realistic chance like Dixie, Bandana Dee or Tetra (the only three Nintendo characters I really want at this point). But I still think it'd be awesome if it happened.

 

[pupNapoleon]

*Sakurai says the roster size is unmanageable at it's current size, and only exists for one game to bring every previous character and as many gaming icons together as he possibly can*

*the crowd still expects only a dozen cuts*

 

[Mushroomguy12]

How about talking about what stages we’d like to see with our most wanted? I’ll go:

Sora: Station of Awakening
Crash: N. Sanity Beach
Adeleine & Ribbon: Ripple Star
Min Min: Ramen Bowl
Axel Stone: Wood Oak City Slums
Euden: The Halidom

Sora: Twilight Town
Dixie Kong: Bramble Blast
ARMS: Sky Arena
Phoenix Wright: Courtroom
Chun-Li: Taiping Road
Octoling: Octo Canyon
Yuri Lowell: City of Blossoms

 

[Dark Bagel]

Btw if we're talking cuts I think we should cut all the Pokemon because of how STINGY TPC is, it's not a coincidence that out of all the Pokemon spirits in the game, only like 6 get to use actual official artwork. On that note, we should cut all the Nintendo owned characters, if they're so stingy to not hire VAs despite hyping up how characters get voiced, it'll be hard to get Mario back next game

No Gwen, we should just cut the entire damn roster because Dark Pit has a dumb stupid peepee poopoo face that I ABSOLUTELY can't stand, and everyone else is guilty by association. Except maybe Roy. He helped fix my car last Saturday. Good guy.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

*Sakurai says the roster size is unmanageable at it's current size, and only exists for one game to bring every previous character and as many gaming icons together as he possibly can*

*the crowd still expects only a dozen cuts*

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3Ds/Wii U didn't seem to have this problem, and there were 52 characters at launch, and they were making two versions of the game at the same time. I don't think it's that silly to expect 45+ characters in the next game unless the engine is revamped so much that every single character's moveset has to be completely redesigned in order to function properly, which I don't see happening. Besides, even downsizing to 45-55 characters, that's still 26+ cuts (and that's assuming there aren't any newcomers).

Or if they try to do what Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite tried to do and have a small starting roster, and then add characters later on. I don't really see that happening either since you would have to make a ton of extra content so that it doesn't feel like they're just selling all the characters back to you, even with a good chunk of newcomers each wave.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Listen, if you want to cut FE characters, maybe don't cut the guy () who won the only official "fair" popularity poll with 2 versions of himself splitting the vote and singlehandedly remains the one of the only male characters that people whale for in gacha with,mjnn a sea of hot anime women.

Meanwhile of course keeping 3 self-insert protagonists who are controversial within their own fanbase and are falling in popularity with each passing year.

And if you want to talk uniqueness while keeping Roy, I'm not even listening.

Cutting Ike would be the single biggest mistake to ever be mistaken in Smash Bros.

Now, if they cut Snake AND Ike I’d lose my ****. Probably wouldn’t buy the game to be honest.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Sora: Twilight Town
Dixie Kong: Bramble Blast
ARMS: Sky Arena
Phoenix Wright: Courtroom
Chun-Li: Taiping Road
Octoling: Octo Canyon
Yuri Lowell: City of Blossoms

you are yhe only person that added My two favs, Yuri and Sora on one list, I love it

 

[RouffWestie]

Smash fanbase: "There's no way everyone is going to come back again."

Nintendo: "Gentlemen, we can resell them. We have the technology."
Cue Diddy Kong's returning veteran DLC trailer for Smash Bros. 2025 (only $39.99)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's a crapload of licensing to do when it comes to another Smash game. Coupled with possible time restraints, some cuts are pretty likely. We don't know what could hold for the future either. Especially when newcomers is also an important factor to consider. They might downsize some series, but it doesn't look like technical issues would happen again, since that was a 3DS factor only. Sure, we do have a good reason to believe even 8 Ice Climbers weren't doable on the Wii U, but technically speaking they don't have to be usable in that mode either(some characters were not playable in every mode as is). I doubt they would remove them from that mode, but if that was the only way to make them playable is not allow them in one mode, they'd probably do that. Years ago, I said the opposite, but I realize how silly that is. It's not a big deal either.

Clones and Semi-Clones are in odd positions cause generally they're also not the main representation of the franchise. Sometimes they're uber important to it. Sometimes they aren't. Lucas got cut, but Ness nearly got cut for Lucas; twice. So it seems more like the "first character" isn't as important as how it's represented. Someone like Villager is a keeper because of their role. Isabelle wouldn't be cut either way because there's zero point. She's gotten a way lesser role in New Horizons by far, but is still the mascot(not of NH itself, but the franchise). I mean, if they were downsize it massively, yes, it'd only be Villager if one had to be chosen. But honestly, that's(one representation per franchise as is) not going to happen.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Smash fanbase: "There's no way everyone is going to come back again."

Nintendo: "Gentlemen, we can resell them. We have the technology."
Cue Diddy Kong's returning veteran DLC trailer for Smash Bros. 2025 (only $39.99)

tbf it has more value to get all the cut characters than one character for almost $40

 

[Gribbo]

I think you're missing the joke.

I get the joke but it falls pretty flat. Square is infamously difficult to work with when it comes to licensing out their IP. It's just a fact that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest have a lot of weird legal stuff with their music. The voice acting thing is a completely unrelated issue because unions. The truth is, this stuff costs the team a lot of extra resources, like time and a LOT of licensing costs. Trying to equate this to Nintendo doesn't make any sense because they own their IP, including Pokemon, and get to decide what to do with it. And I'm not trying to hate on Square here, Cloud and Hero are some of my favorite Smash characters and I'd love to see Crono, Sora, or even Geno make it into Fighter's Pass V2. But I can totally get why the dev team might not want to use up all those resources for Smash Bros 6.

 

[Garteam]

nononono Square is so stingy that they went to John Nintendo's house, put a gun to his head and dictated that their characters never get English voices, Nintendo purists and nazis told me Nintendo could do no wrong so this is absolutely what happened

This isn't inflammatory at all and putting these two groups together is totally valid and definitely adds a ton to the conversation.

 

[Glaciacott]

So much talk about cutting FE characters and here I am still sad forever that Lyn, probably the most popular female character in the entire series, is stuck in AT purgatory.

Cut Roy and add Lyn; that's my fix to FE representation.

 

[PeridotGX]

If I had to cut some FE characters, I'd get rid of ,, and . Chrom stays because he's the most unique Marth clone.

On the topic, always keep in mind that almost every cut the Smash series has seen thus far has either been a clone, a semi-clone, or suffered from technical issues that kept them from properly functioning on the engine of one game platform.

Mewtwo and Snake were the big exceptions.

What are you talking about? Mewtwo and Snake are clones.

If Bandana Dee is to have an stage I imagine it being the stadium where you challenge him to the Megaton Punch which I also imagine being his Final Smash.

I'd be very dissapointed if the stage Bandana Dee, esentially the mascot of modern Kirby, comes with another Super Star stage.

You want to know what's weird? For as big and important of a system as it was, the Nintendo DS only introduced one character to Smash, Lucario. Even the PS3 has more than that! And even then, if you really want to be that guy, there's a statue of him in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Rescue Team for the GBA. Meanwhile the 3DS has a whopping eight characters originating on it, nine if you include DQXI's Hero. So that begs the question. What characters can fill this horribly underrepresented yet completely arbitrary quota? Off the top of my head there's:

Professor Layton
The Chorus Kids
Matthew from Golden Sun DD (who would probably just be an alt of Isaac should he get in)
The Elite Beat Agents?

It's weird, because for as big of a system as it is, most of the new games really don't lend themselves to fighters. But I'm sure there's plenty of interesting ones if you dig deep enough.

My top three most wanteds either directly come from the DS (Maxwell) or owe their importance to the DS (Grovyle, Bandana Dee).

I think this conversation about cuts is cute. You guys are talking as if all they are going to do is merely downsize what we already have and not, you know, revamp everything. Wondering if a certain character going to be in the next Smash is like wondering if Tobey Macguire will be in the next Spider Man movie.

I doubt every character will get a full moveset overhaul. How do you give a new moveset to Pikachu, Marth, or Captain Falcon?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

"I don't say that there is no possibility of the smash series continuing in the future [but] neither I nor Nintendo-related people are thinking about the future at all." Sakurai claims that to be planning a new game while working on the current one "would make a poor piece of work."

I don't envy whoever has the job of following up on Smash ultimate, be it Sakurai or most likely some other new developer. It's gonna extremely difficult for whatever comes afterwards to live up to the standard that Ultimate has set.

Perhaps I'm unimaginative, but I'd be fine with Ultimate being the last smash game for me. I already got most everything I wanted wrapped up into one game with Ultimate, gonna take a lot to get me to move onto another game.

 

[ZephyrZ]

If I had to cut some FE characters, I'd get rid of ,, and . Chrom stays because he's the most unique Marth clone.

You're cutting Roy, the only FE swordsfighter who prefers close-range over mid-range, but keeping his mid-range counterpart because he's more "unique"?


If it's "I like Chrom more" I'd understand but this logic doesn't make sense.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I get the joke but it falls pretty flat. Square is infamously difficult to work with when it comes to licensing out their IP. It's just a fact that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest have a lot of weird legal stuff with their music. The voice acting thing is a completely unrelated issue because unions. The truth is, this stuff costs the team a lot of extra resources, like time and a LOT of licensing costs. Trying to equate this to Nintendo doesn't make any sense because they own their IP, including Pokemon, and get to decide what to do with it. And I'm not trying to hate on Square here, Cloud and Hero are some of my favorite Smash characters and I'd love to see Crono, Sora, or even Geno make it into Fighter's Pass V2. But I can totally get why the dev team might not want to use up all those resources for Smash Bros 6.

I never said it was a good joke. Just that it was a joke at all rather than a fully serious statement.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

enough with the cuts discussion

i got an interesting new topic(TM)

you know how 's trailer played on WoL, particularly focusing on the Dark Realm? If you had to have two follow up newcomer trailers, one focused in the Light Realm (with maybe some creative liberties like Hero's trailer did) and one for the final battle where both Galeem and Dharkon are being fought, which character would you choose for each trailer and how would it go?

I'll do mine shortly

 

[Deleted member]

enough with the cuts discussion

i got an interesting new topic(TM)

you know how 's trailer played on WoL, particularly focusing on the Dark Realm? If you had to have two follow up newcomer trailers, one focused in the Light Realm (with maybe some creative liberties like Hero's trailer did) and one for the final battle where both Galeem and Dharkon are being fought, which character would you choose for each trailer and how would it go?

I'll do mine shortly

For the light realm I would use a villain (Dr. Coyle or Dragonlord for example).

For the final battle I would use someone who could be a really big deal, such as Master Chief, Sora or Kratos.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This isn't inflammatory at all and putting these two groups together is totally valid and definitely adds a ton to the conversation.

I mean, I feel seperating actual nazis who've used avatars of actual nazis from Nintendo purists isn't as much of an insult as lumping the two together to make sure I'm not calling purists nazis but I digress

Or if they try to do what Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite tried to do and have a small starting roster, and then add characters later on

MVCI had a lot more issues but yeah, making a sequel to a beloved game with a significantly smaller roster will always be a big nono. Look at Smash now, we're getting damn near 90 characters, cutting a bunch WILL upset people, especially if we get newcomers who would feel as a waste in comparison to what we had. MVCI newcomers were often met with bitterness because they simply didn't compare to what we lost and a Smash 6 would suffer a similar complaint as the few newcomers we WOULD get may be promotional picks like the Marvel side was seen as, sure, we COULD get idk, whoever the protag of Xenoblade 3 would be, but what if say, Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, whatever, were absent in the same roster. Sure, the potential XB3 protag may end up being super popular and the best written character in fiction, but fans of the characters that are gone will inherently feel bitter