Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[chocolatejr9]

Btw considering how bad Nintendo **** is leaking now, I wonder if someone will leak their current plans instead of source codes.


Also I may or may not have identified FP7. Who are they? Well...

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SONICFOX COMES OUT FOR A FIGHT!

10/10 would pop off

Probably. It's not just Nintendo, either. Remember the Naughty Dog incident?

 

[Mamboo07]

Probably. It's not just Nintendo, either. Remember the Naughty Dog incident?

You mean the Last of Us leak?

 

[chocolatejr9]

You mean the Last of Us leak?

Give the man a prize!

Although I'm still confused how that leak even happened (was it a disgruntled employee or not?), I don't doubt other companies will fall victim as well.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Give the man a prize!

Although I'm still confused how that leak even happened (was it a disgruntled employee or not?), I don't doubt other companies will fall victim as well.

Hopefully some Halo Infinite stuff will leak. I really don't care for having to wait 'till June.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

At this point I've come to accept that Spring Man is likely the ARMS rep.

It makes sense too given it was considered for Base and back then there were no plans for an second pass but now that there are taking that opportunity. Plus as others stated there's the protagonist/mascot first so it only makes sense.

The only reason I think they didn't reveal who it was right away was due to COVID-19 interfering with development.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Give the man a prize!

Although I'm still confused how that leak even happened (was it a disgruntled employee or not?), I don't doubt other companies will fall victim as well.

yeah, it was a pissed off employee that had enough of Naughty Dogs ****

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Also I think Spring Man will be the exceptional rule as assist promotions because he was originally planned for Base.

 

[SNEKeater]

Give the man a prize!

Although I'm still confused how that leak even happened (was it a disgruntled employee or not?), I don't doubt other companies will fall victim as well.

yeah, it was a pissed off employee that had enough of Naughty Dogs ****

No, it wasn't an angry employee. First of all because that doesn't make much sense, not saying it couldn't happen but any employee who decides to leak stuff from a game he's working on won't probably be working anymore in this industry with that infamous record. That is obviously not a smart move if you want to keep working, you know.
The second reason:

I think the footage that leaked is from devs playing an early build (I haven’t watched it). Most importantly, rumors of this being an act of protest by a contractor whose pay was robbed are not true. (ND actually extended pay and healthcare benefits for contractors due to covid)

— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) May 3, 2020

Plus Sony already found out the culprits 1 or 2 days ago and confirmed that the responsibles don't have any connection with themselves or Naughty Dog.

Just clarifying this because while crunch is obviously an issue, a good part of the media has been very unidirectional with their coverage of this whole thing. Seriously, people has been really bad misinformed lately.
Essentially all AAA or big projects have crunch at some point of the development, it's not exclusive of Naughty Dog. Also, it isn't the same being in a crunch phase of development with the employees, as volunteers, being paid more for their extra work, in comparison to being forced to work more or sleeping in the office because they don't have time to spare, and in this case not being paid for the extra hours.

Any big game has crunch at some point of it's development. It's just that only we know that from some games or companies, but people not knowing officially that their favorite developer has done crunch at some point doesn't mean it actually never happened.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Uh guys isn't this discussion more appropriate for the social thread?

 

[XorahnGaia]

At this point I've come to accept that Spring Man is likely the ARMS rep.

It makes sense too given it was considered for Base and back then there were no plans for an second pass but now that there are taking that opportunity. Plus as others stated there's the protagonist/mascot first so it only makes sense.

The only reason I think they didn't reveal who it was right away was due to COVID-19 interfering with development.

Also I think Spring Man will be the exceptional rule as assist promotions because he was originally planned for Base.

[citation needed]

No seriously, i don't know where you would get that Springman was intended for the base game's roster.
Like, i know Sakurai made some comments about Rex missing the deadline for the project plan because Xeno2 had not entered active development when the project plan for Ultimate was completed, and I while have to admit that I don't remember him mentioning Springman while making this claim, this still wouldn't mean that he (or Rex for that matter) was "planned for Base".

 

[Michael the Spikester]

[citation needed]

No seriously, i don't know where you would get that Springman was intended for the base game's roster.
Like, i know Sakurai made some comments about Rex missing the deadline for the project plan because Xeno2 had not entered active development when the project plan for Ultimate was completed, and I while have to admit that I don't remember him mentioning Springman while making this claim, this still wouldn't mean that he (or Rex for that matter) was "planned for Base".

Here you go.

https://japanesenintendo.com/2019/01/21/decidueye-almost-chosen-for-smash-in-an-interview/

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I dont think it matters who this ARMS character is because they will be used to say "see, spirits dont decomfirm" anyway no matter who it is

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I dont think it matters who this ARMS character is because they will be used to say "see, spirits dont decomfirm" anyway no matter who it is

Protagonist/Mascot first tho.

It has to be Spring Man.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright y'all. Here's a little game for ya.

We know people will always compare whoever comes to Smash as a character already in the game, but how about instead we compare a potential DLC characters into somebody that isn't in Ultimate? For this game, you can list who you want in Ultimate but only say the name of the person you compare them to, and the person responding to you has to answer back who they think it is. The only rule is that you can't choose anybody that's already playable in Smash.

Example:

Person A: I want All Might in Smash
Person B: Max Brass?
Person A: Yep

I'll go first: I really need Reviewbrah from TheReportOfTheWeek to be in Smash!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Here you go.

https://japanesenintendo.com/2019/01/21/decidueye-almost-chosen-for-smash-in-an-interview/

Instead of linking an article that doesn't say anything but give a link to the source, just link the source

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This also doesn't directly say he was planned, just that it wasn't possible as the only time a character gets to be put in while Smash and the character's game is being developed is when it's a Pokemon

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Alright y'all. Here's a little game for ya.

We know people will always compare whoever comes to Smash as a character already in the game, but how about instead we compare a potential DLC characters into somebody that isn't in Ultimate? For this game, you can list who you want in Ultimate but only say the name of the person you compare them to, and the person responding to you has to answer back who they think it is. The only rule is that you can't choose anybody that's already playable in Smash.

Example:

Person A: I want All Might in Smash
Person B: Max Brass?
Person A: Yep

I'll go first: I really need Reviewbrah from TheReportOfTheWeek to be in Smash!

Since you support that guy from Deadly Premonition, imma guess it’s him

as for me, I want Rule 63 Dante in Smash

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So what do I expect? Springman with alts, two Western characters, two Japanese third-parties, and another first party from a newer game. I'd expect of the third parties, one for meach will be a big fan request, and the other will be a sensible but dark horse inclusion.

Personally I only expect one western character at most.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Since you support that guy from Deadly Premonition, imma guess it’s him

as for me, I want Rule 63 Dante in Smash

Bayonetta's already in Smash though.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I want Rule 63 Dante in Smash

Bayonetta's already in Smash though.

>Rule 63 Dante
>Bayonetta

So close...

The real answer is probably Elma tho.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I’m not saying it’s a rule that the spirit board instant deconfirms, it just makes sense

It does. But like you said, it's not a rule, and therefore, not a real deconfirmation.

You keep going on about how Smash fans go "Well, of course they did this, it's super obvious!" in hindsight yet I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this site suggest Alucard until we knew he was considered. It was always Simon, a composite character referencing all the other Belmonts, or Trevor due to the Netflix show giving him a lot more popularity.

Alucard is to Castlevania what Cloud is to Final Fantasy. i.e. the main character of the most well known and popular entry in the series.

But Simon has something that Warrior of Light never did...a little something called the Captain N bump! It's allure is irresistible...

Speaking of Alucard, assuming he's not a DLC Fighter, he'd be a pretty cool Mii Swordfighter costume.

I mean, the Vampire outfit for the Brawler is practically Alucard's outfit already.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Others see it as "opening the floodgates" but ****** might as well get over it. Whatever happens, happens. Either secondary characters get the spotlight, or ATs get to potentially become playable to some extent.

I don't see this as being true.
I think the already-broken-rule about spirits/alternate roles in the game is so ridiculous that I'm embarrased to still ever bring it up.

But... secondary characters? That I believe is the case.
We just dont have main characters in ARMS.

I've argued this to death since 2018- maybe even 2017 when the characters in ARMS were first revealed and from the start, Twintelle and Min Min won the audiences and the world over in a way that was either well planned or completely blew the minds at Nintendo.
We will see what happens when the character comes.
It's either multiple characters, or it's not Spring Man.

..... But then again, I stand by the fact that
Spring Man : ARMS :: Liu Kang : Mortal Kombat
Spring Man is to ARMS what Liu Kang is to Mortal Kombat.
(I don't call that a main character, but lets not get caught in that battle of semantics).
Scorpion is the character that is the face of Mortal Kombat.
Spring Man was just a way to explain the game.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Protagonist/Mascot first tho.

It has to be Spring Man.

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

 

[TheCJBrine]

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

Spring Man still seems to be at or near the front of official artwork he appears in, though. He still seems to be ARMS’s mascot; his background sounds kinda protagonist-like, too, which I think he was the protagonist in an official comic someone brought up if I’m not mistaken. He also seems to be popular himself, getting third place in one contest at least.

plus isn’t it usually the mascots who get metal clones?

edit: yeah he’s the protagonist in the comic series as far as I can tell.

 

[Wunderwaft]

So I returned back to playing League of Legends after a long hiatus and my thoughts on a rep turned from "Yeah it would be cool" into "EGGCELENT". Looking back on the characters and playing them for myself rekindled a long appreciation I had for the characters and their design. Each one is unique and with their own interesting lore that fits into the world of Runeterra.

It's hard for me to choose one singular character to support since I like a lot of characters, and it's not like there is a definitive mascot for the series. Many characters had the opportunity to appear in the front cover like Ahri, Garen, Annie, Ezreal etc. But they usually gets switched with other characters every now and then.

Regardless, I'll be hyped for a Smash inclusion. I like the entire cast so I'll probably like whoever they pick. From Ahri who is a seductive fox that can charm opponents and blast them with magical firepower. Tristana, a small yordle who uses a rifle called boomer and a scrapbomb to blow up opponents. Then there's Thresh, a soul sucking warden that traps the souls of innocents in his lamp and uses a scythe to hook opponents in like Scorpion. Bottom line is that the entire cast is fun and unique and I'd enjoy any of them in Smash.


It'll take a while but after Wild Rift releases on the Switch later this year I expect more people to realize that League of Legends is a serious contender that they've been ignoring.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

Well you do have Spring Man as an assist trophy which is more than any other ARMS character has. Plus from what we've seen from Byleth getting in, popularity doesn't seem to help characters get in over others.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

>Rule 63 Dante
>Bayonetta

So close...



The real answer is probably Elma tho.

It is indeed Elma

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

If that's the case then why is it that he's featured in most promotional stuff notably the art cover of the game alongside Ribbon Girl?

Plus he has another character look-a-like known as Springtron.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I would say, for Castlevania, Alucard is just as much of a mascot as the Belmont’s are.

I think some folks might be misconstruing the point.

Mascots/protagonists differ from series to series. It is not a “one size fits all” definition. For example, Alucard is an icon of Castlevania as a series and is a protagonist of arguably the most influential game in the series. That’s nothing to sneeze at.

Likewise, when it comes to Devil May Cry, Dante is essentially the pick. It’s Dante.

If we were to get a character from Nier, there’s two options: either the protagonist from the first game or 2B, from the arguably more “mainstream” title. In that case, 2B makes plenty of sense.

When it comes to ARMS? The difference is that the characters in discussion are just...not quite the same. Spring Man/Ribbon Girl are the mascots/cover characters. Min-Min is popular, but she’s not the mascot/cover girl. When it comes to gameplay, Spring Man is just as capable as embodying the gameplay of ARMS as Min-Min is. I’d actually argue that if it’s focusing on “ARMS” as a game rather than the specific character, Spring Man makes more sense in that regard because he’s basic, yet still unique from the rest of the Smash roster.

That said, I don’t think anybody should discount Min-Min as a contender simply based on her popularity. There’s no doubt that if they went for somebody aside from Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, Min-Min is looking good (though despite that, if popularity is a big indicator, why aren’t we talking more about Ninjara? Isn’t he popular?) She has merits to get in. I just don’t think popularity is the be all end all “thing” to get somebody into Smash, and am interested in discussing it further.

EDIT: Just to be clear, in my opinion ARMS is between Spring Man (cover boy, mascot) or Min-Min (popular).

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm going all in on the ARMS character being someone that's not in the game already because the concept of spirits and/or assist trophies would be ruined if it's one of the 5 characters that is in and also because I still want to be able to enjoy the game without thinking about the fact that 80% of the content is pointless.

I understand that most people argue for characters based on what they perceive as being the best fit of the puzzle (or outright openly say they dont think it will be so and so, but that they want the character in)...

HOWEVER...

80 percent of the game? Assist Trophies and Spirits are maybe 8 percent of the game. I play with everything on- SPIRITS dont matter in the slightest (as I rarely play 1 player adventure), and even with all items on, ATs are still too rare (and even then, we have fewer of them than we do characters).

The coding, the time put into the game... was not spent significantly on image files.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I understand that most people argue for characters based on what they perceive as being the best fit of the puzzle (or outright openly say they dont think it will be so and so, but that they want the character in)...

HOWEVER...

80 percent of the game? Assist Trophies and Spirits are maybe 8 percent of the game. I play with everything on- SPIRITS dont matter in the slightest (as I rarely play 1 player adventure), and even with all items on, ATs are still too rare (and even then, we have fewer of them than we do characters).

The coding, the time put into the game... was not spent significantly on image files.

was it not established that the Spirits team is separate from the main team?

 

[osby]

That said, I don’t think anybody should discount Min-Min as a contender simply based on her popularity. There’s no doubt that if they went for somebody aside from Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, Min-Min is looking good (though despite that, if popularity is a big indicator, why aren’t we talking more about Ninjara? Isn’t he popular?) She has merits to get in. I just don’t think popularity is the be all end all “thing” to get somebody into Smash, and am interested in discussing it further.

EDIT: Just to be clear, in my opinion ARMS is between Spring Man (cover boy, mascot) or Min-Min (popular).

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.

For some reason, a lot of people in this thread seem to think that only female characters are popular in ARMS.

While Min Min and Twintelle appear to be the most popular characters in the game, Ninjara is also very beloved and Spring Man is nowhere as hated as some people make him up to be and is one of the most used characters online.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

..... But then again, I stand by the fact that
Spring Man : ARMS :: Liu Kang : Mortal Kombat
Spring Man is to ARMS what Liu Kang is to Mortal Kombat.
(I don't call that a main character, but lets not get caught in that battle of semantics).
Scorpion is the character that is the face of Mortal Kombat.
Spring Man was just a way to explain the game.

Well, of all of the MK games with a character on the boxart, it's Scorpion. Not Liu Kang. I don't know if that's the best comparison.

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

Springo is 'important' enough to the series to not only be one of the 5 ARMS spirits in the game, plus the only one that got an assist trophy. He may be bland and boring, but people said it before - Terry is also considered bland and boring to SNK fans, who favor Nakoruru. Besides, going by the poll above, he's #2 in most popular, unless we're implying that 137 people who voted misread "What character do you want to see" as "Who do you expect." There's no way he's getting 'BTFO'd' in all popularity contests by Misango.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

..... But then again, I stand by the fact that
Spring Man : ARMS :: Liu Kang : Mortal Kombat
Spring Man is to ARMS what Liu Kang is to Mortal Kombat.
(I don't call that a main character, but lets not get caught in that battle of semantics).
Scorpion is the character that is the face of Mortal Kombat.
Spring Man was just a way to explain the game.

I don't think that's right. Spring Man is a way to explain the game, yes, but he's also usually the first character (typically alongside Ribbon Girl) to show up when Nintendo presents ARMS just like Scorpion with Mortal Kombat or Ryu with Street Fighter.

To put it a different way, if you have the most surface level knowledge of Mortal Kombat, you'll know Scorpion and Sub-Zero, but probably not Liu Kang (this could just be anecdotal, but I'd wager you're more likely to learn about Jhonny Cage before him as well). If you have surface level knowledge of ARMS, you'll probably know Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, but not Dr. Coyle (She's the only one with actual plot, albeit in-lore only plot).

EDIT: I feel I should add that I don't think he's a lock, just that I don't think the comparison works.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.

While it was mostly based on gameplay results rather than actual popularity, Ninjara was actually the runner-up in the Party Crash Bash

He's also apparently pretty popular in Japan, at least. Pretty much the equivalent of Twintelle's popularity here in the west.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I respect the fact that folks want characters they like. I can see why folks like Min-Min! If I put more time into ARMS and actually learned how to play the damn game well, I might grow to like her myself.

However, the arguments being made for her being the pick seem similar to some we’ve seen in the past. I mean, there’s no way Nintendo would pick something like Fire Emblem to end pack 1 on, right?

The thing is, each pick in itself has its own context. The discussion about Terry and Nakoruru was also around the time when folks peddled a “leak” that said something about a fighter with a bird, leaning toward Nakoruru.

ARMS has something different. It already has Spring Man as an assist trophy, but also revealed for Smash with an image of...the entire roster. That atypical to most reveals, which also seems to imply a curveball. However, that curveball doesn’t actually favor any particular character when you think about it. Spring Man could be considered a “curveball” because he’s an AT already. Min-Min could be a “curveball” because she’s not the “mascot” but is popular. Or, a composite character is a “curveball” because it implies “one character” at reveal, and then we technically get more than one later.

It’s definitely unique in the situation, but I am simply brought back to what Smash is at its core. A mascot fighter, expanding with new ideas in DLC. ARMS in general is a source of these “new ideas”, which inherently means that any one character they choose will bring those new gameplay ideas with them.

I’ve said it in the past, I don’t actually have a horse in this race because I don’t have a “favorite” from ARMS. This is just what I’m thinking.

 

[I.D.]

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.

Let's put it this way: you know that 2019 party crash that people usually talk about? The finals were between Min Min and Ninjara.

 

[Us3inMN]

Well, of all of the MK games with a character on the boxart, it's Scorpion. Not Liu Kang. I don't know if that's the best comparison.

What he is trying to say is that in pretty much every Mortal Kombat, Liu Kang is seen as the "hero"/protagonist. Sure, Scorpion is the big boy, but he's not what they consider to be the main character. ARMS is like that as in there is no main character. Spring Man is just the face of ARMS. So even though Spring Man and Scorpion are the faces of their games, this doesn't make them the main characters.

Also, not all have just Scorpion on the cover. May I remind you of:

Spoiler: The best Mortal Kombat game

 

[Garteam]

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

Spring Man is front and centre of basically every piece of art that has ARMS cast, was the third most played character when the game was at peak popularity in 2017 (beating Min Min and Twintelle), and he's the protagonist of both the ARMS 4koma comics and Dark Horse Comic's upcoming graphic novel.

I can understand not liking Spring Man or thinking he's not as likely as others might say. However, trying to claim he's got no real evidence to back up being protagonist or he's somehow disliked is untrue.

I do wonder though, if somebody can answer for me, how does Ninjara compare to Min-Min in terms of popularity? I’ve heard he’s popular in his own right but wasn’t exactly sure how it compares.

While it was mostly based on gameplay rather than actual popularity, Ninjara was actually the runner-up in the Party Crash Bash

He's also apparently pretty popular in Japan, at least. Pretty much the equivalent of Twintelle's popularity here in the west.

He was also the most played character as of version 2.1 (late August 2017) according to the Japanese ARMS twitter. Ninjara is actually kind of slept on in terms of popularity. I'd say that Spring Man and Ribbon Girl are the male and female protagonists of ARMS, while Ninjara and Min Min are the male and female fan favourites.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The thing is, each pick in itself has its own context. The discussion about Terry and Nakoruru was also around the time when folks peddled a “leak” that said something about a fighter with a bird, leaning toward Nakoruru.

Actually, I think it said it was a boomerang like thing or just some sort of projectile. The whole bird thing was a stretch from speculators.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Another reason its gonna be Spring Man is because if it came to popularity then Nakoruru would had been picked instead of Terry.

Guess who was chosen? Obviously the mascot and protagonist.