Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

Another reason its gonna be Spring Man is because if it came to popularity then Nakoruru would had been picked instead of Terry.

Guess who was chosen? Obviously the mascot and protagonist.

Eeexcept SNK's poll had Terry place higher than Nakoruru

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Eeexcept SNK's poll had Terry place higher than Nakoruru

I wasn't aware.

From everything I ever heard I just assumed Nakoruru being the most popular SNK character and Terry and his franchise only being popular in Latin America but otherwise known everywhere else by hardcore fighting game fans.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I wasn't aware.

From everything I ever heard I just assumed Nakoruru being the most popular SNK character and Terry only being popular in Latin America but otherwise known everywhere else by hardcore fighting game fans.

No, Nakoruru's hella popular to the point she's a mascot but she's second to Terry in that regard

 

[Us3inMN]

No, Nakoruru's hella popular to the point she's a mascot but she's second to Terry in that regard

Sceond to Terry in that BOGARD!

im sorry ill see myself out

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Still suspecting Spring Man regardless. Again protagonist/mascot first which he is especially since ARMS is an fighting game.

Fulgore = Killer Instinct (Mascot)
Heihachi = Tekken (Mascot)
Nightmare = Soulcalibur (Mascot)
Ryu = Street Fighter (Protagonist/Mascot)
Nakoruru = Samurai Shodown (Mascot)
Scorpion = Mortal Kombat (Mascot)
Terry = Fatal Fury/King of Fighters (Protagonist/Mascot)

Notice an pattern?

 

[Goombaic]

Still suspecting Spring Man regardless. Again protagonist/mascot first which he is especially since ARMS is an fighting game.

Heihachi = Tekken (Mascot)
Nightmare = Soulcalibur (Mascot)
Ryu = Street Fighter (Protagonist/Mascot)
Scorpion = Mortal Kombat (Mascot)
Fatal Fury/King of Fighters = Terry (Protagonist/Mascot)

Notice an pattern?

No, because only two of those characters are in the game.

 

[I.D.]

Terry is a funny case where some people insist he was chosen solely because he happens to be the protagonist of Fatal Fury; and that him being the most popular SNK character and all the non-Fatal Fury content he came with totally don't mean anything.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

No, because only two of those characters are in the game.

And obviously two of those are the protagonists and mascot which if these franchises were to get in it'd be those characters I listed as well.

And why again its going to be Spring Man.

 

[osby]

Terry is a funny case where some people insist he was chosen solely because he happens to be the protagonist of Fatal Fury; and that him being the most popular SNK character and all the non-Fatal Fury content he came with totally don't mean anything.

In times like this, I'm grateful for Persona in Smash blindsiding everyone.

I really wouldn't want to sit through pages of "Joker is too boring, Makoto is more popular!" arguments.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

imagine ifnthe mascot thing was real and Layton and Pheonix made it in together

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Terry is a funny case where some people insist he was chosen solely because he happens to be the protagonist of Fatal Fury; and that him being the most popular SNK character and all the non-Fatal Fury content he came with totally don't mean anything.

On god I still see people whine that Terry got to bring in all that content but Banjo didn't bring in anything related to Rare. Saw it after Terry dropped with his 50 ****ing songs and saw it last week from a Banjo Bro too

 

[Sari]

As the owner of the Nakoruru support thread, a part of me dies whenever people say that Nakoruru should've gotten in over Terry.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Still suspecting Spring Man regardless. Again protagonist/mascot first which he is especially since ARMS is an fighting game.

Heihachi = Tekken (Mascot)
Nightmare = Soulcalibur (Mascot)
Ryu = Street Fighter (Protagonist/Mascot)
Scorpion = Mortal Kombat (Mascot)
Fatal Fury/King of Fighters = Terry (Protagonist/Mascot)

Notice an pattern?

Most of these examples aren't in the game which kinda makes them bad examples...

While I do agree with you here, I highly doubt that if we knew a character from the series was coming that it would be an open and shut case for predicting the pick. Tekken would cause Heihachi Vs. Jin wars, Soul Caliber would have people debating Nightmare, Sigfried, and probably a few others since they also seem to be mascots (I'm referring to the two that were front and center for Soul Caliber VI's reveal), and Mortal Kombat would have heavy debates on Scorpion, Sub Zero, Liu Kang, and the Kages (mostly Johnny though).

On god I still see people whine that Terry got to bring in all that content but Banjo didn't bring in anything related to Rare. Saw it after Terry dropped with his 50 ****ing songs and saw it last week from a Banjo Bro too

Ignoring that the King of Fighters series (which is what Terry seems to more accurately represent) is basically SNK's version of Super Smash Bros. and that this is a special case considering even major 1st party series don't have that many songs.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think Pac-Man and Terry were both handled the same way when they were added. Rather than represent one franchise, they represent a collection of similar franchises (Namco arcade games and NEO GEO games).

Personally, if I were a Banjo supporter, I wouldn't be offended by the lack of other Microsoft franchises. If anything, that's good. The odds of us getting a second Microsoft character are a lot higher than a Namco arcade rep or a second NEO GEO rep.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

In times like this, I'm grateful for Persona in Smash blindsiding everyone.

I really wouldn't want to sit through pages of "Joker is too boring, Makoto is more popular!" arguments.

We had this conversation like 50 times with Fire emblem. "Byleth is boring, if Three houses have a rep it should be Edelguard".

 

[Goombaic]

Mortal Kombat would have heavy debates on Scorpion, Sub Zero, Liu Kang, and the Kages (mostly Johnny though).

No love for Raiden? I'm sure his supporter count is at least double of Johnny's.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Most of these examples aren't in the game which kinda makes them bad examples...

While I do agree with you here, I highly doubt that if we knew a character from the series was coming that it would be an open and shut case for predicting the pick. Tekken would cause Heihachi Vs. Jin wars, Soul Caliber would have people debating Nightmare, Sigfried, and probably a few others since they also seem to be mascots (I'm referring to the two that were front and center for Soul Caliber VI's reveal), and Mortal Kombat would have heavy debates on Scorpion, Sub Zero, Liu Kang, and the Kages (mostly Johnny though).


Ignoring that the King of Fighters series (which is what Terry seems to more accurately represent) is basically SNK's version of Super Smash Bros. and that this is a special case considering even major 1st party series don't have that many songs.

What makes it funnier is that the guy also condescendingly claimed Terry was added as a shill pick for KOFXV and Cloud was for FF7R. No complaints about Banjo shilling Rare Replay or statues though

 

[Rangez]

Still suspecting Spring Man regardless. Again protagonist/mascot first which he is especially since ARMS is an fighting game.

Fulgore = Killer Instinct (Mascot)
Heihachi = Tekken (Mascot)
Nightmare = Soulcalibur (Mascot)
Ryu = Street Fighter (Protagonist/Mascot)
Nakoruru = Samurai Shodown (Mascot)
Scorpion = Mortal Kombat (Mascot)
Terry = Fatal Fury/King of Fighters (Protagonist/Mascot)

Notice an pattern?

I still don't understand how Nightmare is seen as the mascot for Soulcalibur. Also pretty bizzare to consider Terry as the protagonist for both FF and KOF even though for the latter series, that should be placed on Kyo.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I could get the others but Mortal Kombat?

Lol no if anyone from the game is gonna get in first its gonna be first and foremost Scorpion.

He's Ed Boon's favorite character, the mascot, face and icon of the series and is featured in every Mortal Kombat game (MK3 technically counts as he's in the Ultimate version).

Shouldn't even be an argument. Scorpion is the poster boy of the series.

Before you also point out Sub-Zero. Reminder Scorpion was in the first Injustice and Sub-Zero not until the second.

I still don't understand how Nightmare is seen as the mascot for Soulcalibur. Also pretty bizzare to consider Terry as the protagonist for both FF and KOF even though for the latter series, that should be placed on Kyo.

Because he's pretty much the focal point of the series being Soul Edge itself.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Isn't the mortal kombat protagonist Liukang?

 

[osby]

We had this conversation like 50 times with Fire emblem. "Byleth is boring, if Three houses have a rep it should be Edelguard".

That sucked too, but at least Edelgard is actually more popular than Byleth so I can see where her supporters came from.

But yeah, people love downplaying the popularity of characters they don't like.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No love for Raiden? I'm sure his supporter count is at least double of Johnny's.

Forgot about him since Mortal Kombat isn't my forte, but yeah, he'd likely join the debate quite often.

We had this conversation like 50 times with Fire emblem. "Byleth is boring, if Three houses have a rep it should be Edelguard".

Now Byleth was the only obvious choice. They wouldn't pick just one of the house members since not everyone played all the routes. Duh!

Before you also point out Sub-Zero. Reminder Scorpion was in the first Injustice and Sub-Zero not until the second.

But also, Scorpion isn't in the second one.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Isn't the mortal kombat protagonist Liukang?

But he's not the face and icon of the series.

As I mentioned the reasons it'd be Scorpion is due to being the face and icon of the series. Ed Boon's favorite character and having been featured in every game (He was in UMK3 the updated version of MK3).

But also, Scorpion isn't in the second one.

Bad comparison as since I mentioned Scorpion had his turn in the first one.

That sucked too, but at least Edelgard is actually more popular than Byleth so I can see where her supporters came from.

But yeah, people love downplaying the popularity of characters they don't like.

More the reason its gonna be Spring Man. Because protagonist/mascot/icon/face first before others regardless of popularity.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

That sucked too, but at least Edelgard is actually more popular than Byleth so I can see where her supporters came from.

But yeah, people love downplaying the popularity of characters they don't like.

If I had a doller for everytime I heard someone say "Its a fact that no one wanted or was excited to see Byleth" in some fashion, Id probably have close to 100 bucks

 

[Koopaul]

Didn't the April Party Crash with Spring Man and Ribbon Girl say the theme was "Battle for Stardom" and acknowledge that those two are indeed the main ARMS stars?

That is pretty much a confirmation in my eyes that Nintendo sees Spring Man and Ribbon Girl as the mascots of ARMS.

 

[Cosmic77]

Didn't the April Party Crash with Spring Man and Ribbon Girl say the theme was "Battle for Stardom" and acknowledge that those two are indeed the main ARMS stars?

That is pretty much a confirmation in my eyes that Nintendo sees Spring Man and Ribbon Girl as the mascots of ARMS.

It was just a repeat of the first Party Crash, just like Splatoon 2's first non-demo Splatfest, Ketchup vs Mayo, was reused.

Regardless, I don't think we need anything else to confirm Spring Man and Ribbon Girl's status as mascot. They're the ones Nintendo used to demonstrate ARMS in the 2017 Switch presentation, and they're the ones who got costumes in Smash.

 

[Freduardo]

This thread is crazy.

The mascot of ARMs is Biff.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What makes it funnier is that the guy also condescendingly claimed Terry was added as a shill pick for KOFXV and Cloud was for FF7R. No complaints about Banjo shilling Rare Replay or statues though

Ah yes. Cloud was a shill pick for a game that came out years after his inclusion and has no content, and Terry is a shill pick for a game that isn't out yet and was never mentioned anywhere.

People say the darndest things. lol

EDIT: Heh, I wish Cloud was a shill pick for Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Then we'd have awesome music. Or at least more than 2 tracks.
EDIT EDIT: They'd also probably stick the other party members in the back of the Midgar stage. Aerith would stand dead center.

Bad comparison as since I mentioned Scorpion had his turn in the first one.

But it does show that Scorpion can be left out of a Mortal Kombat crossover.

I'm not saying that Scorpion wouldn't be the most likely choice, I'm just saying that if we knew we were getting a Mortal Kombat character, the pick wouldn't 100% obviously be Scorpion since there are quite a few characters that also have merit as picks.

This thread is crazy.

The mascot of ARMs is Biff.

Well...You're technically not wrong, but if we're to consider that then we'd also have to say Xander Mobus's voice is a mascot for Super Smash Bros.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

But it does show that Scorpion can be left out of a Mortal Kombat crossover.

I'm not saying that Scorpion wouldn't be the most likely choice, I'm just saying that if we knew we were getting a Mortal Kombat character, the pick wouldn't 100% obviously be Scorpion since there are quite a few characters that also have merit as picks.

Fact remains though Scorpion will always be chosen first for an crossover game above others not counting sequels as Injustice did so he's the pick Smash would go with.

If it was an sequel to his outside game I'd agree otherwise but if an character from the franchise appears for the first time it shouldn't be an argument it'd be Scorpion.

 

[Freduardo]

Ah yes. Cloud was a shill pick for a game that came out years after his inclusion and has no content, and Terry is a shill pick for a game that isn't out yet and was never mentioned anywhere.

People say the darndest things. lol


But it does show that Scorpion can be left out of a Mortal Kombat crossover.

I'm not saying that Scorpion wouldn't be the most likely choice, I'm just saying that if we knew we were getting a Mortal Kombat character, the pick wouldn't 100% obviously be Scorpion since there are quite a few characters that also have merit as picks.


Well...You're technically not wrong, but if we're to consider that then we'd also have to say Xander Mobus's voice is a mascot for Super Smash Bros.

while you also are technically not wrong, Biff is a lot easier to incorporate than disembodied voice (until they give that voice to Tabuu, throw cartoony gloves on him, have his B moves summon the Hands for attacks) and frankly works better in Smash than he did ARMs. He has extendy arms (just look at his art) and looks like he’d fit in a lot easier next to Kirby and Olimar even easier than Spring Man and Min Min.

admittedly, I wasn’t serious about Biff... but I wouldn’t be opposed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

(until they give that voice to Tabuu, throw cartoony gloves on him, have his B moves summon the Hands for attacks)

Don't bother with the hands. Just give him the voice and have him attack by announcing everything. What? You thought his Off Waves came from his wings? Nah that's just him yelling "Failure!".

EDIT:

while you also are technically not wrong, Biff is a lot easier to incorporate than disembodied voice (until they give that voice to Tabuu, throw cartoony gloves on him, have his B moves summon the Hands for attacks) and frankly works better in Smash than he did ARMs. He has extendy arms (just look at his art) and looks like he’d fit in a lot easier next to Kirby and Olimar even easier than Spring Man and Min Min.

admittedly, I wasn’t serious about Biff... but I wouldn’t be opposed.

Everyone: "No! You can't show us a list of characters to be added and then pick one that wasn't on the list and isn't even playable!"
Sakurai: "Haha, Biff go bonk!"

EDIT EDIT: If we are getting an ARMS 2, I would love to see another...whatever Biff is as a playable character.

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

I know people say that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth, but affirming Springman is FP6 and repeating "mascot/protagonist first" in every post regarding the topic is not going to
increase his chances at all, comparing ARMS to other cases won't really mean much as this is the first time the mascot is already in the game due to weird timing, if Nintendo would ever add a character that is not the mascot first, it is now.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Another reason its gonna be Spring Man is because if it came to popularity then Nakoruru would had been picked instead of Terry.

Guess who was chosen? Obviously the mascot and protagonist.

That's not even a remotely apt comparison because...Nakoruru is from a different game than Terry.

Nakoruru is the mascot of Samurai Shodown(and SNK), but not Fatal Fury. If the game being added to Smash is Fatal Fury...Nakoruru was never even an option.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

(and SNK)

...

Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is SNK. If Nakoruru is the mascot as you say why was Terry added then to begin with who is really the mascot if anything.

 

[SNEKeater]

It absolutely does not have to be Spring Man considering he’s barely a mascot to begin with and his greatest accomplishment as a “protagonist” is being on the box getting punched by Ribbon Girl. Like this isn’t comparable to Ryu and Terry who had 30 years of being a mascot/protagonist. This is one character that appeared on a box and has spent 3 years getting BTFO’d by every other character in ARMS in popularity contests.

I mean... ARMS came out 3 years ago. It isn't really fair to compare Spring Man with the likes of Terry and Ryu.

And as others have said, Spring Man is actually popular. I don't know why some people tends to think that all the main characters in fighting games are super hated by the fans or something. No, usually the protagonists are quite popular, and Spring Man isn't the exception.

Not being the most popular character =/= being the less popular character in the roster

Another reason its gonna be Spring Man is because if it came to popularity then Nakoruru would had been picked instead of Terry.

Guess who was chosen? Obviously the mascot and protagonist.

Most of people wouldn't have thought of Nakoruru back then if it wasn't by that infamous 4chan leak about a female fighter with projectiles. If that post never existed Nakoruru would have been discussed after the SNK leak at some point, but Terry and Kyo would have been the most prominent names in discussion. In fact, that was pretty much what happened lol
Nakoruru is one of the lead characters of Samurai Shodown, and she's really popular overall if we talk about SNK characters, but knowing how Smash has been when it comes to pick protagonists/mascots, the most logical choice was always Terry if they wanted to rep SNK as a whole.

Also I never get why people likes to downplay protagonists, according to some Terry or Ryu are bland and boring? Usually said from people who don't know much about the characters or the games, but ironically it's not like Nakoruru or Chun-Li aren't really different. When you're at the point of not knowing really well the characters what is left is their designs and not much more, so it's just a matter of preferences if someone thinks that Nakoruru has a more interesting design than Terry's.
I don't know, if these characters are really bland and boring then for me they're as bland and boring as Mario, Link or Samus.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

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Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is SNK. If Nakoruru is the mascot as you say why was Terry added then to begin with who is really the mascot if anything.

Because he was thinking only of the scope of the Fatal Fury series, and SNK has more than one mascot (Terry and Mai were commonly cited as the other two).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

...

Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is SNK. If Nakoruru is the mascot as you say why was Terry added then to begin with who is really the mascot if anything.

We literally just went over this, Nakoruru's a mascot too to the point a charity event had both Terry and Nakoruru

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Still suspecting Spring Man regardless. Again protagonist/mascot first which he is especially since ARMS is an fighting game.

Fulgore = Killer Instinct (Mascot)
Heihachi = Tekken (Mascot)
Nightmare = Soulcalibur (Mascot)
Ryu = Street Fighter (Protagonist/Mascot)
Nakoruru = Samurai Shodown (Mascot)
Scorpion = Mortal Kombat (Mascot)
Terry = Fatal Fury/King of Fighters (Protagonist/Mascot)

Notice an pattern?

Where's the pattern here? Aside from Ryu and Terry (which are the least debatable one), none of them are in Smash. If Mortal kombat is in Smash we have no idea if they would go with Lui Kang, Scorpion, Raiden or maybe Cassie cage? If Killer instinct is in Smash they could easily go with Jago. You're trying to prove your points with things that didn't happen. Also Arms is in such a different position than those games (way more recent, and Arms don't really have a story).

 

[SNEKeater]

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Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is SNK. If Nakoruru is the mascot as you say why was Terry added then to begin with who is really the mascot if anything.

But SNK isn't just Fatal Fury and KoF. Nakoruru is mostly considered the mascot of Samurai Shodown, which protagonist is Haohmaru. She's really popular and she could be considered one of the mascots of SNK nowadays, as Gwen has proved with her example.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Where's the pattern here? Aside from Ryu and Terry (which are the least debatable one), none of them are in Smash. If Mortal kombat is in Smash we have no idea if they would go with Lui Kang, Scorpion, Raiden or maybe Cassie cage? If Killer instinct is in Smash they could easily go with Jago. You're trying to prove your points with things that didn't happen. Also Arms is in such a different position than those games (way more recent, and Arms don't really have a story).

Without repeating myself. I'll explain why Scorpion is 100% certain before any other Mortal Kombat character.

I could get the others but Mortal Kombat?

Lol no if anyone from the game is gonna get in first its gonna be first and foremost Scorpion.

He's Ed Boon's favorite character, the mascot, face and icon of the series and is featured in every Mortal Kombat game (MK3 technically counts as he's in the Ultimate version).

Shouldn't even be an argument. Scorpion is the poster boy of the series.

Otherwise aside from Nightmare too given Soul Edge is the focal point of the story and series you have a point with the others.

Fact remains though. Mascot/Poster Boy/Protagonist always comes first when it comes to an series being added to Smash.