Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Seriously i kinda would like to see old school costume commercials come back. Like i so want Crash's trailer to be the costume guy vs all of those KCL Costumes from the Smash commercial, and let japanese Crash appear too because he also had a costume.

 

[Cosmic77]

Oh, I didn't know I didn't play games at all. Thanks for the update.

But that does leave the question as to what Skyrim can be considered if it's not a game...

So, let me look this series up...
...yep, exclusive to consoles I don't own from inception until five years ago, very heavily focused toward a Japanese audience, and not played by any of my friends, so I've had no exposure to it. And I don't live on social media, so a lot of memes go over my head.

I get it - I know I'm not as well-versed in games as most people here. But "I haven't heard of this" is not "OMG LITERALLY NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS WEEB **** LOSER!!!!!!11!" It's really just "I haven't been introduced to this." Some of us do go and look things up. And that doesn't always make us want to go play it afterwards. But sometimes it does. Want to ensure we don't want to look into it? Give us an ad hominem reason to avoid it by making us think that all of the fans are elitist ***holes.

I like all of this gatekeeping we do to make sure that only the people who follow multiple games and their genres are eligible to like characters, whereas the rest of us are just brainless yokels. I don't expect everyone here to know who Nibani Maesa is, despite Morrowind being incredibly groundbreaking for its time. I don't expect that most people know the words to "The Dawn Will Come," despite DA: Inquisition winning GOTY at the game awards in 2014 (unlike some Smash characters which only got nominated for that but didn't win). I don't expect that people know who wields Albion in the Soul Calibur series, even though Amy just got added in as DLC over other characters. But that doesn't mean I think people have no right to an opinion.

And if someone doesn't know one of the series I like, I'd be happy to tell you what I like about it, and not shame you for not finding out yourself.

That's one thing that sort of annoys me with the Smash fanbase. A lot of people have forgotten what it's like to be a casual gamer.

I knew who Joker and Terry were before they were revealed. Granted, I knew virtually nothing about them, but I still recognized them. If someone were to tell me that they had absolutely no idea what Persona was or what game this weird Joker fellow came from, I could understand why. Same with Banjo, Terry, or any of the characters in the first pass really.

The Smash fanbase on the other hand expects you to match the knowledge of a teenager who stops by Gamestop every day after school so he can exchange old games for new ones. You've clearly been living under a rock your whole life if you didn't know about Bayonetta and her two games prior to her reveal. Who DIDN'T play Persona 5 when it came out? The whole world was talking about it nonstop, so there's no excuses for not knowing him. Oh, and everyone had an SNK console growing up, so Terry is pretty much the most iconic thing in existence.

What we define as iconic is completely different from what an average Joe defines as iconic. I'm sure several people in this thread could make a list with over 100, maybe 200 characters who qualify as "iconic". Other people might only be able to get half of that.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Itagaki left Koei so you dont have to worry about petty grudges anymore.

Isn't that a little petty? I get he loves the game he made, but... missiles? Really? It's like that one Segata commercial.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Speaking of franchises we didn't know until Smash, this is probably an unpopular opinion (its certainly a pretty uneducated one), but if Granblue Fantasy were to get a character, I think it would be Gran (with Djeeta as an alternate costume since she's Gran, but a girl) since he seems to be the most important character in the game. You could also have some gacha style mechanics where you summon a random character that could then be able to be called on command to do an assist style attack. The common characters would be useless, the rare characters would be situationally helpful, and the super rare characters would be overpowered. Just like an actual gacha game!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Still kinda weird since they were in Nintendo Directs, though it was a port and two discount Minecraft games, so I could see you completely forgetting about them assuming you saw them. lol

EDIT: Debating on whether or not I should remove this part. It's a pretty nothing statement that sounds kind of antagonistic.

It's fine, but that's also assuming I watch the directs and not just skim through the bulletpoints afterwards...which I do. I get distracted and bored too easily watching 30 minutes when I may only be interested in five of them. Better to just look up the trailers I want to see afterwards.

I actually can't remember the last time I sat through a full Direct, but it was probably back when they did a Smash one (so therefore I knew I'd be interested in the whole thing). I get most of my game recommendations from friends, not some trailer made by people who are trying to sell me the games. Which also takes me by surprise sometimes if something I don't expect gets announced, and then I'll go and look it up. Also why a bunch of Direct memes go over my head, since I didn't see the full presentation.

 

[Deleted member]

Itagaki left Koei so you dont have to worry about petty grudges anymore.

*Tecmo since this was pre-merger with Koei

Isn't that a little petty? I get he loves the game he made, but... missiles? Really? It's like that one Segata commercial.

Itegaki was a wild guy. From some of the things I read about him, he pretty much has a rockstar persona and isn't afraid to speak what's on his mind. I would love to know what he thinks of Ultimate cause I don't know what he would have to say about it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I really do hope Sakurai goes all in on his “Celebration of Gaming” quote. Mostly because of my own biased reasons because I really really want old school icons like Hayabusa, Lara Croft, and Crash.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I really do hope Sakurai goes all in on his “Celebration of Gaming” quote. Mostly because of my own biased reasons because I really really want old school icons like Hayabusa, Lara Croft, and Crash.

I want more niche and obscure picks too.

My sig should make it clear why. >.>

 

[Ben Holt]

I really do hope Sakurai goes all in on his “Celebration of Gaming” quote. Mostly because of my own biased reasons because I really really want old school icons like Hayabusa, Lara Croft, and Crash.

Don't forget Bill Rizer, Ristar, Spyro, and Earthworm Jim.

 

[NintenZ]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
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Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

Akira can't happen given the Spirit Event it had.

Only possibility is Season Pass 3 or individual DLC after Season Pass 2 and that's probably not happening.

 

[NintenZ]

Akira can't happen given the Spirit Event it had.

Only possibility is Season Pass 3 or individual DLC after Season Pass 2 and that's probably not happening.

Oh **** I forgot to remove him

Please ignore him :D

 

[kirbsmash]

Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

why violet?

 

[NintenZ]

why violet?

Only because of Jane, it's not really my first choice for a Joker Echo but considering how much Atlus is pushing her and if Royal ever comes to Switch she'd probably be in to promote it.

Again, not really my ideal character (I hear she's shoehorned in to begin with in Royal) but I still see her.

 

[kirbsmash]

Again, not really my ideal character (I hear she's shoehorned in to begin with in Royal) but I still see her.

but her and Joker don't even have the same moveset. The only reason she look like him is because her heart like his idea of being an rebel.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
View attachment 270783

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

>Gooigi

Looks like we found M MooMew64 's new friend.

 

[NintenZ]

but her and Joker don't even have the same moveset. The only reason she look like him is because her heart like his idea of being an rebel.

Again I personally wouldn't choose her I just think it's odd the files don't really correlate to anything we've seen yet and she's honestly the only logical explanation.

Plus various aspects of Joker's moveset (Him using only one Persona, his gun animations, the grappling hook, etc) are things that could also fit Kasumi, it's just too many signs that it would feel weird not for it to lead to SOMETHING.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
View attachment 270783

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

Well, you got Bandana Dee, Rex, and Euden, so I can't complain.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
View attachment 270783

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

Kiryu isn't on the list 0/10

Also they'd most likely go with modern Sakura over OG Sakura. Because of the new game

 

[kirbsmash]

Plus various aspects of Joker's moveset (Him using only one Persona, his gun animations, the grappling hook, etc) are things that could also fit Kasumi, it's just too many signs that it would feel weird not for it to lead to SOMETHING.

in story, Mona is the one who gave Joker the hook so...and she don't do much in the main story. (it's the same as base p5 )

 

[Garteam]

I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
View attachment 270783

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me

I like this list! It's a good mix of things that the fanbase focuses on, slept-on choices, and unique new ideas. My only complaint is the lack of Heihachi in the list. We have the Coke of Japanese fighting games with Ryu and the Pepsi of Japanese fighting games with Terry Bogard, now we need the Dr. Pepper.

Also, wouldn't Geno technically be a third party because Square owns him? Then again, he's also only appeared in Nintendo games, so I could see why some might see him as first party.

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

Gunvolt would be cool. Really enjoyed the 1st two games, and think he could have an interesting moveset. He definitely gets the short end of the stick when people talk about indies, not sure why he's so rarely.

Idk, I still don't feel he's super likely. I wouldn't put him at the forefront of indie characters. Inti Creates does have a strong relationship with Nintendo tho, maybe I should reconsider...

 

[Cosmic77]

Violet being a Joker Echo felt forced a year ago and it still feels forced today. She doesn't have a grappling hook, her persona is completely different from Arsene, and maybe it's just me, but a knife and a sword seem to have different proportions.

Is it possible? I'm sure it is. Would they have to take a lot of liberties to make it happen? Yep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Besides I thought it was Kasumi that was debated being an echo of Joker?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Again I personally wouldn't choose her I just think it's odd the files don't really correlate to anything we've seen yet and she's honestly the only logical explanation.

Plus various aspects of Joker's moveset (Him using only one Persona, his gun animations, the grappling hook, etc) are things that could also fit Kasumi, it's just too many signs that it would feel weird not for it to lead to SOMETHING.

I'm willing to bet that she was planned as an alt skin but was scrapped because Atlus told Sakurai about the differences

 

[Cosmic77]

Besides I thought it was Kasumi that was debated being an echo of Joker?

Violet is Kasumi. Every Persona character has a codename, just like how the protagonist's codename is Joker.

 

[kirbsmash]

Violet being a Joker Echo felt forced a year ago and it still feels forced today. She doesn't have a grappling hook, her persona is completely different from Arsene, and maybe it's just me, but a knife and a sword seem to have different proportions.

You took EVERY words I has been holding back for months about this out of my mouth.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

and maybe it's just me, but a knife and a sword seem to have different proportions.

John Dylan Smith is typing...

 

[NintenZ]

Kiryu isn't on the list 0/10

Also they'd most likely go with modern Sakura over OG Sakura. Because of the new game

They definitely would but even so Shinguji would have to be an alt because she's too iconic NOT to be and their body structures and mannerisms fit perfectly with one another so there's really no issue.

I like this list! It's a good mix of things that the fanbase focuses on, slept-on choices, and unique new ideas. My only complaint is the lack of Heihachi in the list. We have the Coke of Japanese fighting games with Ryu and the Pepsi of Japanese fighting games with Terry Bogard, now we need the Dr. Pepper.

Also, wouldn't Geno technically be a third party because Square owns him? Then again, he's also only appeared in Nintendo games, so I could see why some might see him as first party.

Yeah most of the characters I predict tend to be really slept on because they just aren't popular enough.

I considered Heihachi but I see Sol more cause he'd be the more interesting pick in my eyes due to his weapon and we also have ArcSystemWorks Spirits in the form of River City Ransom ones.

Also I just put him in first-party as not to clutter the third-parties plus his association with the Mario series helped.

Gunvolt would be cool. Really enjoyed the 1st two games, and think he could have an interesting moveset. He definitely gets the short end of the stick when people talk about indies, not sure why he's so rarely.

Idk, I still don't feel he's super likely. I wouldn't put him at the forefront of indie characters. Inti Creates does have a strong relationship with Nintendo tho, maybe I should reconsider...

Tbh in terms of crossovers he's basically Japan's Shovel Knight, he's also spawned a whole multi-media franchise including a manga and an OVA so I just found him to be a good choice. It also helps his owners are close with Nintendo, and he's really unique as well with his electricity powers.

Violet being a Joker Echo felt forced a year ago and it still feels forced today. She doesn't have a grappling hook, her persona is completely different from Arsene, and maybe it's just me, but a knife and a sword seem to have different proportions.

Is it possible? I'm sure it is. Would they have to take a lot of liberties to make it happen? Yep.

I feel exactly the same way trust me, I just think it's possible honestly, plus Smash has taken liberties before (Just ask Ness and Lucas)

I'm willing to bet that she was planned as an alt skin but was scrapped because Atlus told Sakurai about the differences

Probably but something about that seems strange to me because that would've had to have been approved to begin with.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Violet is Kasumi. Every Persona character has a codename, just like how the protagonist's codename is Joker.

Whoops my bad. xD

 

[kirbsmash]

I feel exactly the same way trust me, I just think it's possible honestly, plus Smash has taken liberties before (Just ask Ness and Lucas)

Yes, but at least their moves are FROM other characters.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Violet is Kasumi. Every Persona character has a codename, just like how the protagonist's codename is Joker.

Every P5 character specifically.

Joker's real name is Akira Ren.

 

[NintenZ]

Yes, but at least their moves are FROM other characters.

Kasumi would do the same thing lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Also, wouldn't Geno technically be a third party because Square owns him? Then again, he's also only appeared in Nintendo games, so I could see why some might see him as first party.

He's a 3rd party character from a 1st party series.

Gunvolt would be cool. Really enjoyed the 1st two games, and think he could have an interesting moveset. He definitely gets the short end of the stick when people talk about indies, not sure why he's so rarely.

Idk, I still don't feel he's super likely. I wouldn't put him at the forefront of indie characters. Inti Creates does have a strong relationship with Nintendo tho, maybe I should reconsider...

I played the first Gunvolt game, but I couldn't really get into it. I couldn't tell if it's because I was bad or if I was just missing something (probably both), but I could only ever beat the levels when Anthem triggered (which is random as far as I know), and I couldn't really dodge most of the attacks. It's like this weird fusion of Kirby (throw crap all over the screen) and Mega Man (fast, frantic action) bosses that just didn't click with me.

Also, I'm pretty sure I got lost in a few of the stages.

 

[kirbsmash]

Kasumi would do the same thing lol

But her persona isn't darkness....it's bliss...

 

[Megadoomer]

Delzethin put out a video on his speculation for potential first party characters in the second Fighters Pass; his videos have been pretty informative, and I figure it's worth a watch, either to find out more about characters that you might not be familiar with or to see other ways that your choice(s) might be supported. (if they're on the list)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, if there was an Echo Pass, Kasumi is the only one even remotely on my radar for it.

It's a matter of how easily they can make the mvoeset work while still being stuff she could theoretically do. This feels closer to Dark Samus territory, who is almost entirely aesthetics besides switching fire for electricity moves.

 

[NintenZ]

But her persona isn't darkness....it's bliss...

Change the curse moves to Bless moves then aesthetically, it's only used in two moves anyways besides throws.

 

[kirbsmash]

It's a matter of how easily they can make the mvoeset work while still being stuff she could theoretically do. This feels closer to Dark Samus territory, who is almost entirely aesthetics besides switching fire for electricity moves.

I doubt that they' go that far, and at this point of time, I don't even see them having another p5 character since Royal is already out.

 

[Megadoomer]

Honestly, if there was an Echo Pass, Kasumi is the only one even remotely on my radar for it.

It's a matter of how easily they can make the mvoeset work while still being stuff she could theoretically do. This feels closer to Dark Samus territory, who is almost entirely aesthetics besides switching fire for electricity moves.

Octoling seems like an obvious pick to me, between how similar they are to Inkling in terms of gameplay, their popularity being enough to get them a DLC campaign in Splatoon 2, and Splatoon's weapons giving them a wide variety of functionally similar but visually/statistically different attack options.