Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SneakyLink]

Unexpected characters?

That reminds me, I need to figure out a move set for Otto Matic.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I will say one thing: Angry Birds Vs. Pikmin would be quite the thing.

 

[Us3inMN]

I will say one thing: Angry Birds Vs. Pikmin would be quite the thing.

*Olimar proceeds to pluck birds instead of pikmin*

Also, I've had a thought as having the Angry Birds as an Assist Trophy for a while. Set up their slingshot on either side of the screen and have random birds launched towards the stage as you fight.

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant Gang Koopa Troopa
Joker Skull
Hero Slime
Banjo & Kazooie Conker
Terry Athena (Psycho Soldier)
Byleth idk enough about the fire emblems to say

 

[Ben Holt]

Would Dig Dug count as an unexpected character?
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I once DMed Cyn my idea for a similar Bandai-Namco retro character with a super unique gimmick, King Galaga.
Let me find the original post, and I'll edit it in.

Edit:

I once came up with an awesome possum idea for an oddball character in the vein of Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, and Piranha Plant.
And it's even an iconic "character".

Galaga.
It's gimmick would be a risk-reward B move similar to Kirby's inhale, but the move ONLY works if the opponent is at high enough percentage to be unable to mash out of the move. So it only really works reliably at about 100%+.
It's an instakill move that creates an AI copy of the absorbed enemy, like Ice Climbers. That AI will always try to stay directly behind Galaga, but beyond that, all moves would be activated normally with a slight delay, again like Ice Climbers.
But the risk comes in when Galaga is KO'ed but NOT the AI clone of the opponent.
Like in the Galaga games, if you lose one of your ships to Boss Galaga and manage to kill the Boss Galaga without killing your previous ship, you get to control two ships at once! The same would be true for players fighting against Galaga. So if a player loses a stock to Galaga and is able to KO Galaga without KOing the AI clone, THEY get the AI clone, essentially making all characters act like Ice Climbers.
Though in matches with more than two players, you could still claim an AI clone of a character that is not your own.
For example, a three player match with Galaga, Mario, and Pac-Man, Galaga could KO Pac-Man with his Neutral-B, creating an AI clone of Pac-Man, and then Mario could KO Galaga without KOing the AI Pac-Man clone and claim the clone for himself, having the player control both Mario and Pac-Man at once.

Pretty sweet idea. Huh?

 

[Goombaic]

Y’all wanna talk about unexpected characters??

Story of Seasons farmer baby! It’s probably not happening but I’d be remiss not to bring them up again. Unexpected? Check. Perfect fit? Check. Adorable? Check. What more do you need??

Wouldn't a Rune Factory character be easier to implement? Farming elements could still be there, just with an cute anime swordsman instead of a cute anime farmer.

If we're talking oddball characters, my most wanted is certainly one. Of those who played Kid Icarus Uprising, who remembers Thanatos?

OK, yeah, Medusa, Viridi, Hades, Magnus, Phosphora, Pandora, and Pyrrhon may be more impactful to the story and could all provide unique movesets as well, but Thanatos' ridiculously flamboyant personality and shapeshifting abilities are too good to pass up. Besides, he's part of the best chapter in the game, so that gives him many points.
Here's an article that perfectly describes why I really want him.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Oddball characters?

If I was going for a PC character, my first choice would be Bella Goth.

The Sims is a massive franchise, and she's about the most recurring of a character you can get. It'd be hysterical to see her bringing some of those weird interactions to Smash: the slap, fighting in a cloud, a flirt that debuffs the opponent... And for a final smash: a cinematic where the opponents end up in a swimming pool and the ladder disappears. Instant KO for anyone over 100%.

lol

I also think Warcraft would be interesting if we wanted to talk about new genres - WoW pretty well defines MMORPGs. I don't really know it since I don't play MMOs (I did get hooked on ESO, but only for the 'ES' part of it since I'm on Elder Scrolls withdrawal), but I'm sure they have some character they could use. Or just take an Orc. I've been on a real Orc kick lately. At least I have my character planned out when I do my 10th anniversary playthrough of Skyrim next year.

These are great options-

World of Warcraft and SIMS are two HUGE games that attract audiences outside of standard Smash crowds.

 

[ivanlerma]

*Olimar proceeds to pluck birds instead of pikmin*

Also, I've had a thought as having the Angry Birds as an Assist Trophy for a while. Set up their slingshot on either side of the screen and have random birds launched towards the stage as you fight.

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant Gang Koopa Troopa
Joker Skull
Hero Slime
Banjo & Kazooie Conker
Terry Athena (Psycho Soldier)
Byleth idk enough about the fire emblems to say

i'd pick Noir for another Atlus character.

 

[pupNapoleon]

This is a fun game!

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant with Captain Toad OR Paper Mario
Joker with Aiai (Monkey Ball)
Hero with Lara Croft OR Sora
Banjo & Kazooie I would KEEP
Terry I would KEEP
Byleth with Andy/Sam/Anyone from Advance Wars

 

[Wademan94]

*Olimar proceeds to pluck birds instead of pikmin*

Also, I've had a thought as having the Angry Birds as an Assist Trophy for a while. Set up their slingshot on either side of the screen and have random birds launched towards the stage as you fight.

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant Gang Koopa Troopa
Joker Skull
Hero Slime
Banjo & Kazooie Conker
Terry Athena (Psycho Soldier)
Byleth idk enough about the fire emblems to say

Fawful
Aigis
Slime
Rash
Nakoruru
Anna

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

*Olimar proceeds to pluck birds instead of pikmin*

Also, I've had a thought as having the Angry Birds as an Assist Trophy for a while. Set up their slingshot on either side of the screen and have random birds launched towards the stage as you fight.

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant Gang Koopa Troopa
Joker Skull
Hero Slime
Banjo & Kazooie Conker
Terry Athena (Psycho Soldier)
Byleth idk enough about the fire emblems to say

Piranha Plant: Keep
Joker: Keep
Hero: Slime
Banjo & Kazooie: Fulgore
Terry: Keep
Byleth: ...Honestly? Keep. I really love the style.

For the most part, not much I would change. As much as I want Toad, Waluigi, and Geno, I really love the idea of having a playable mook.

 

[Cosmic77]

Smash fanbase two weeks before reveal: "I give up. I have absolutely no idea who the next character will be."

*Character gets revealed

Smash fanbase two weeks after reveal: "I mean, is there anyone who didn't see this coming five months ago?"

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

SNK and Terry Bogard in general were underrated picks prior to the reveal. I myself was one of the people who basically said, “It ain’t happening”.

Dragon Quest, in the other hand, can be blamed on the fact that the Smash community that frequents these threads does NOT have the same exposure to Dragon Quest that Japan does. It is MASSIVE in Japan, and for whatever reason folks in this fanbase overlooked that.

Dragon Quest was always a contender.

I don’t think it’s so much that Nintendo is playing 4D-Chess with the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate by picking characters we don’t talk about. I think it’s that the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate aren’t broadening their options or knowledge enough about the characters we should really be considering.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

SNK and Terry Bogard in general were underrated picks prior to the reveal. I myself was one of the people who basically said, “It ain’t happening”.

Dragon Quest, in the other hand, can be blamed on the fact that the Smash community that frequents these threads does NOT have the same exposure to Dragon Quest that Japan does. It is MASSIVE in Japan, and for whatever reason folks in this fanbase overlooked that.

Dragon Quest was always a contender.

I don’t think it’s so much that Nintendo is playing 4D-Chess with the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate by picking characters we don’t talk about. I think it’s that the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate aren’t broadening their options or knowledge enough about the characters we should really be considering.

what do you mean nintendo is the only company to develop video games

i would know since i only play nintendo games so therefore no other games exist and if they do exist theyre not important

anyone who says otherwise is below me and i will not waste my time associating with them

 

[Deleted member]

what do you mean nintendo is the only company to develop video games

i would know since i only play nintendo games so therefore no other games exist and if they do exist theyre not important

anyone who says otherwise is below me and i will not waste my time associating with them

"How dare people not play the games I like" is all I read from this.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

"How dare people not play the games I like" is all I read from this.

what no all im saying is that if people dont like the characters i like then they are inferior beings who must be cleansed from this realm and those who like characters i do not like as a result of my ignorance must be consigned to purgatory where they shall rot for the rest of their miserable existence

uh i mean let's go geno

 

[ARandomFruit]

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?
Mine would be:
Plant Gang Koopa Troopa
Joker Skull
Hero Slime
Banjo & Kazooie Conker
Terry Athena (Psycho Soldier)
Byleth idk enough about the fire emblems to say

Plant: Keep
Joker: Aigis
Hero: Keep
Banjo-Kazooie: Wizpig
Terry: Iori
Byleth: Keep

If i had to replace all:
Plant: Tatanga
Hero: Slime
Byleth: Fjorm

 

[Cosmic77]

SNK and Terry Bogard in general were underrated picks prior to the reveal. I myself was one of the people who basically said, “It ain’t happening”.

Dragon Quest, in the other hand, can be blamed on the fact that the Smash community that frequents these threads does NOT have the same exposure to Dragon Quest that Japan does. It is MASSIVE in Japan, and for whatever reason folks in this fanbase overlooked that.

Dragon Quest was always a contender.

I don’t think it’s so much that Nintendo is playing 4D-Chess with the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate by picking characters we don’t talk about. I think it’s that the 2% of Smash fans who regularly speculate aren’t broadening their options or knowledge enough about the characters we should really be considering.

DQ isn't really a black and white case of, "Is it popular enough to get a character or not?"

When I say Hero was an unexpected character, I don't mean DQ as a whole was unexpected. I always knew it was a very popular franchise that Nintendo valued to have on its consoles, and I'm sure a lot of other people understood that too. That being said, the character itself wasn't all that obvious. No one could agree on who they'd choose as the rep. You had people who thought Slime would be the rep because of its mascot status, and then you had many who couldn't come to an agreement on which protagonist would be chosen (Iconicness [Erdrick] vs relevancy [Luminary]. If we're being fair, Luminary supporters are the only ones who should be given full credit for their predictions. Even if he was designed to work for multiple protagonists, SE specifically requested that Luminary be the base of the character. They could've chosen Erdrick, but they didn't.)

In short, DQ not being frequently brought up in discussion prior to Verge has less to do with a lack of exposure and more to do with it having similar problems to the Zelda series in speculation. People know it's popular, but none of the characters stick out enough to the point where most people would say, "Yeah, that's definitely who they'd choose."

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

"How dare people not play the games I like" is all I read from this.

I feel like I'm crazy sometimes for thinking that Smash's main audience would logically be people that want Nintendo/Nintendo-affiliated characters. I wouldn't think everybody would own all three consoles plus have an extensive PC setup plus have encyclopedic knowledge over every video game IP ever and their impact on certain demographics over the world.
I probably spend too much time on this board/reading hot takes on Reddit, because seeing the sheer amount of vitriol towards Banjo/Geno/Porky/insert any obscure Nintendo/Nintendo-tangent character has contributed to seeing them get in out of spite, even/especially if it's at the expense of "iconic" third-parties.
I'm speaking as someone who found Banjo-Kazooie as the highlight of the roster but also enjoyed seeing Joker, Hero and Terry once I got over the "who dat" barrier.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Smash fanbase two weeks before reveal: "I give up. I have absolutely no idea who the next character will be."

*Character gets revealed

Smash fanbase two weeks after reveal: "I mean, is there anyone who didn't see this coming five months ago?"

You’re definitely not incorrect but your also implying that we’re the only Smash fans. I’m sure Japanese Smash fans saw Hero coming a mile away.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like I'm crazy sometimes for thinking that Smash's main audience would logically be people that want Nintendo/Nintendo-affiliated characters. I wouldn't think everybody would own all three consoles plus have an extensive PC setup plus have encyclopedic knowledge over every video game IP ever and their impact on certain demographics over the world.
I probably spend too much time on this board/reading hot takes on Reddit, because seeing the sheer amount of vitriol towards Banjo/Geno/Porky/insert any obscure Nintendo/Nintendo-tangent character has contributed to seeing them get in out of spite, even/especially if it's at the expense of "iconic" third-parties.
I'm speaking as someone who found Banjo-Kazooie as the highlight of the roster but also enjoyed seeing Joker, Hero and Terry once I got over the "who dat" barrier.

I just play Smash to Smash. Growing up, I didn't even knew some characters like Marth or Mr. Game & Watch were from video games.

I'm at a point now to where I have access to pretty much any series in Smash Bros, but I can't fault people who just don't know series and aren't super motivated in learning about them. Just don't make **** up about the series and we're all good honestly.

 

[Ben Holt]

You’re definitely not incorrect but your also implying that we’re the only Smash fans. I’m sure Japanese Smash fans saw Hero coming a mile away.

Well, so did everyone thanks to Vergeben.
From how it looks, internal Nintendo characters are the ones least likely to get leaked, so get back to it, Verge!

 

[Guynamednelson]

has contributed to seeing them get in out of spite, even/especially if it's at the expense of "iconic" third-parties.

I'm not even sure if Geno would be a good reminder that it's not all about the biggest third-parties in the world, when you have people putting him alongside the likes of Crash and Doomguy in their FP2 expectations.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm not even sure if Geno would be a good reminder that it's not all about the biggest third-parties in the world, when you have people putting him alongside the likes of Crash and Doomguy in their FP2 expectations.

Geno is definitely niche. We are the "elite" here. We live, eat, and breathe Smash Bros. Spring Man was far from expected, but it really appeals to the good boys and girls of all ages.

 

[Ben Holt]

Glitch double post. Please delete.
(Or mass like this post to get my ratio up.)

 

[Guynamednelson]

Geno is definitely niche

I'm not saying he's not niche. What I am saying is that I've noticed people like you surrounding this niche character with AAA third-parties in their FP2 predictions, which is why I don't think he'd be a reminder that it's not all about the biggest third-party icons.

 

[Cosmic77]

You’re definitely not incorrect but your also implying that we’re the only Smash fans. I’m sure Japanese Smash fans saw Hero coming a mile away.

You should've read my next post. "Hero" is really just Luminary with alts of three other protagonists. I assume just like us, most of the people in Japan who believed in DQ getting a rep were expecting Slime, and those who went beyond Slime debated on which protagonist would be chosen, just like we're doing now with ARMS. You don't get bragging rights for predicting Erdrick when SE specifically asked Sakurai to make Luminary the base character. Luminary was prioritized over Erdrick, making the former the true DQ rep.

So even if we can prove that a lot of people in Japan were predicting DQ prior to Verge, you have to take it a step further and look at who they were predicting. That's why I consider Hero/Luminary to be unexpected, as Slime probably wouldn't had caused as many jaws to drop.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm not saying he's not niche. What I am saying is that I've noticed people like you surrounding this niche character with AAA third-parties in their FP2 predictions, which is why I don't think he'd be a reminder that it's not all about the biggest third-party icons.

Banjo was also niche. Crash is the big name non-Nintendo mascot right now.
I always loved Crash as a general fan of platformers, but Crash came back almost as hard, if not harder than when he first appeared in the mid 90s.

 

[7NATOR]

On the top of Expected Characters, I never considered Banjo to be so expected until the last 2 weeks before his reveal. Before that It seemed Minecraft Steve got more talk rather than Banjo, especially with the whole rumors of Minecraft content still being a thing. also that there was still the Stigma that Banjo would never happen.


Actually speaking of Banjo There is something I'm wondering. I think I remember reading a post on Resetera (where good amount of Insiders are) talking about how Nintendo was mad about the Grinch Leak. There were speculation that the leak put too high hopes on the November direct. Considering that, Along with the fact that there was some drawback on Shadow and Isaac's AT Confirmations, Geno's Spiriting, the good reception Banjo got, and apparently that 1 rumor from the Isaac thread that Nintendo was surprised by the Backlash to his AT...

Do you think the Grinch leak could Potentially affect the decisions in FP2? The Grinch Leak was in 2018 so it definitely could be considered into the equation if Nintendo goes that route

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Do you think the Grinch leak could Potentially affect the decisions in FP2? The Grinch Leak was in 2018 so it definitely could be considered into the equation if Nintendo goes that route

I'd like to say yes as someone who wanted Shadow leading up to Ultimate, but realistically: no.

Just can't imagine them basing a DLC lineup off of one person's, or I suppose several individual's, fake mock-up.

On the topic of the grinch leak, I'd still love to find out who made it and how it came to be but we will likely never be that fortunate.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I feel like I'm crazy sometimes for thinking that Smash's main audience would logically be people that want Nintendo/Nintendo-affiliated characters. I wouldn't think everybody would own all three consoles plus have an extensive PC setup plus have encyclopedic knowledge over every video game IP ever and their impact on certain demographics over the world.

While I certainly agree, given the ease of access to information (gameplay videos, music, let's play, analyses, etc.) nowadays, it's incredibly easy to learn about a character and what they're about. A lot of negativity in speculation stems from ignorance, committed either:

• willingly ("I don't want to entertain the notion of this character getting in since I see them in opposition to my most wanted so I'm just not going to listen")
• or unwillingly (if a person just doesn't have the money and doesn't think to do a Google search to learn about a popular character, the first part of which is understandable).

It's not that hard to do a Google search to learn about a character and understand why people might like them. There's really no excuse.

You don't even need to have played a character's game to think they'd be cool in Smash. You think I've played the games of half of the characters I've written about? No. But regardless, I think the character is interesting for some reason, so I do research to learn about them and argue as to why they might be in Smash Bros. And from that, I come to understand, respect, and join the ranks of their fans.

Furthermore, you seem to underestimate the amount of video games on Nintendo consoles, or the large library of games available through emulation. A lot of third party picks are available for cheap or for free in some way, shape, or form, but regardless are ignored or written off. It seems people are keen use Smash Speculation as a billboard list of the most "popular" characters (whatever popular means) or to shill their personal pick above all else when it's an amazing opportunity to broaden your horizons and get into new series.

All you have to do is be open to experiencing new series, and it seems a lot of people here just aren't.

 

[Lionfranky]

Speaking of unexpected pick....

Since people bring Saber, does he count? Visual novel counts as game, so he qualifies.
His name is Daijuuji Kurou from Demonbane series. This series is arguably Nitro+'s most famous series.
Like Fates, the first game in the series is eroge, but later entries are rated teen. Sure, I am bringing totally niche, but there had been live concert(big one) regarding this series in Japan.

 

[osby]

Furthermore, you seem to underestimate the amount of video games on Nintendo consoles, or the large library of games available through emulation. A lot of third party picks are available for cheap or for free in some way, shape, or form, but regardless are ignored or written off. It seems people are keen use Smash Speculation as a billboard list of the most "popular" characters (whatever popular means) or to shill their personal pick above all else when it's an amazing opportunity to broaden your horizons and get into new series.

The funny thing is, people also complain about shill picks if a third party newcomer (or any newcomer, really) has a game available in the current console generation.

 

[Droodle]

If they were only close to completion then, they would not have been ready by Byleth long enough to showcase it there. They were never ready by the time of the recording as is. At least with the leak's own timing. There's little reason to assume they were ready beyond "but why not".

If you think people are able to leak everything all the time, you're sorely mistaken. It makes more sense to not leak as much as possible to avoid getting caught. This is why it's a poor reason. Leaks almost never show off everything.

It was probably taken about near when Terry's presentation was shown off to us, instead. About when it actually leaked.

Too much conjecture. Patterns don't really exist. They had no reason to show off more because either they didn't have more, didn't want to, or was avoiding being caught. Just posting one video is less to be caught.


This is the only honest good point. There's zero legitimate explanation for it. They don't ignore leaks. And why it's almost effectively confirmed fake.


Or, you know, it wasn't even ready by Byleth either. It was going to be ready by Terry and Byleth, or neither. There's no reason to believe the content started almost a year ago before its release. Maybe a month at most if lucky. The earliest it could be is when Nintendo talked to Id Software about getting Doomslayer. But that's not when it's the earliest to be even slightly ready by. It's clear they were absolutely not ready in time for Byleth's presentation at best. Also, Id specifically approached Nintendo. This is interesting, cause with Nintendo saying no to Doomslayer, that has nothing to do with any other content to begin with. Getting their other Doom Mascot in would be fine.

Sans was actually tested within over 6 months from his release. It's clear timeframes aren't that important when we know it can take a long time to release.

One major point I meant to put in, but overlooked was the fact that Fighter 6 is an ARMS character. I was honestly more split on the leak after Byleth was revealed, but the ARMS character really sealed the deal for me. These costumes didn't come with Terry, they did not come with Byleth, so what if they came with F6? We already know Sakurai likes to work on 3 DLC fighters at a time. But then F6 turned out to be ARMS.

Let's say F6 was delayed from April to June (coinciding with Amiibo changes), that's still a 6 month phase of waiting when the costumes were done at minimum (leak came out in late October). I don't really believe people saying that ARMS was swapped with another DLC character, so that means that before the delay from April to June; Nintendo were still testing these costumes 6 months prior to their supposed earliest reveal. And that's if they come with ARMS, which would be a pretty hard hit against Geno and Doomguy. Byleth already proved that 1st party characters can come with 3rd party mii costumes primarily.

However, if these costumes are real; chances are that they're being saved for something else, which would push them even further down the line of DLC. We could very well be waiting nearly a year before these costumes are "officially" revealed at this point. Could they technically come with a playable Geno and/or Doomguy? Maybe, but I still stand by the fact that if this leak is real then security on Nintendo would have had to be uncharacteristically stupid at that point. You would at least think that testing mii costumes would be far more efficient to do on the patch right BEFORE they get unveiled, and not several patches beforehand when any major content update could cause new bugs to emerge (I'm no expert at this, but it makes far more sense). And I doubt Mii costumes warrant 6 months worth of testing. If this leak is true, then I would believe that they are more then likely NOT related to any particular fighter's (although I would still imagine they come with at least a Doomguy and Geno costume at minimum) because I believe Nintendo would go just as hard in securing a particular character's FP content that could hint at the fighter, as they would in securing the character itself.

 

[Cosmic77]

While Smash is a great way to learn about new franchises, I also don't think it's fair to accuse someone of not being open-minded when they act disappointed about an addition because they hardly know anything about the character or their franchise.

Most of the people in this thread aren't requesting that this pass be comprised of six characters who would introduce them to unfamiliar franchises they may or may not like. People naturally want characters they have a connection with, and when that DLC character doesn't quite accomplish that, it can be hard to get excited. A lot of users here tend to get really defensive over that. They'll say things like, "You need to research the character and learn why they're important!" or "Play the game first because you might like it!" Well, what if they learn more about the character and don't feel like they were all that important in gaming? What if they play the game and decide they don't like it? Are they still wrong for being disappointed?

There is a lot of negativity toward unfamiliar characters; I won't deny that. That being said, I also see a lot of people who are so obnoxiously positive toward unfamiliar characters that they question, tune out, or even silence those who can't appreciate the character the same way they can.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

If your most wanted got in what would be their stage? Would it have cameos and who would it be? what might be the potential layout or mechanics to make it stand out?

 

[DarthEnderX]

And finally, I got a fun question: If you could replace the DLC characters with someone else from their series/company, who would it be?

Plant Gang King Hippo [Punch-Out]
Joker Kazuma Kiryu [Yakuza]
Hero is perfect
Banjo & Kazooie is fine
Terry is perfect
Byleth Captain Toad/Toadette [Treasure Tracker]

 

[Wunderwaft]

Speaking of unexpected pick....

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Since people bring Saber, does he count? Visual novel counts as game, so he qualifies.
His name is Daijuuji Kurou from Demonbane series. This series is arguably Nitro+'s most famous series.
Like Fates, the first game in the series is eroge, but later entries are rated teen. Sure, I am bringing totally niche, but there had been live concert(big one) regarding this series in Japan.

Take it from someone that did play some Nitro+ games, we're not getting a rep from that company lol
The problem with visual novels in general is that they're usually niche, sure there are a few exceptions like Phoenix Wright, Danganronpa, and Fate that break into the mainstream. But for the most part visual novels sadly don't carry a large audience and the community is much smaller than other gaming communities.




But when all is said and done I would totally be on board for a Umineko character.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

While Smash is a great way to learn about new franchises, I also don't think it's fair to accuse someone of not being open-minded when they act disappointed about an addition because they hardly know anything about the character or their franchise.

Most of the people in this thread aren't requesting that this pass be comprised of six characters who would introduce them to unfamiliar franchises they may or may not like. People naturally want characters they have a connection with, and when that DLC character doesn't quite accomplish that, it can be hard to get excited. A lot of users here tend to get really defensive over that. They'll say things like, "You need to research the character and learn why they're important!" or "Play the game first because you might like it!" Well, what if they learn more about the character and don't feel like they were all that important in gaming? What if they play the game and decide they don't like it? Are they still wrong for being disappointed?

There is a lot of negativity toward unfamiliar characters; I won't deny that. That being said, I also see a lot of people who are so obnoxiously positive toward unfamiliar characters that they question, tune out, or even silence those who can't appreciate the character the same way they can.

At no point have I said people don't have a right to be disappointed. What myself and other users have been saying is that people should at least try to put themselves out there and try new series.

You're more than likely not going be a fan of them all, and that's okay. I know I tried both Golden Sun and Super Mario RPG because of Smash Speculation, and I enjoyed neither of them. But at least I tried. And that attempt further informs my opinions and gives me something to talk about in regards to Isaac and Geno; a certain depth of emotion and experience that a lot of people lack when talking about characters outside of our little bubble.

And if you can't try the game yourself, do some research and come to your own opinion. Just be informed. A lot of issues in speculation occur because people are either obtuse, ignorant, or some combination of both. People being informed would not only fix those issues, but create better discourse within speculation. Instead of cycling the 5 same topics like this thread does, y'all can pursue interesting thoughts, threads, and ideas, or have actual, informed debates on different characters, both first and third party, instead of screaming matches like they tend to happen here.

There's really no downside to this other than the time cost in researching and experiencing new series, but time is something we all have a lot of nowadays so that's not even an excuse. I don't get why you're so hesitant about this that you'd lay on all of these hypotheticals and what ifs. Like, I really don't think I'm asking too much of people here.

 

[Droodle]

I want Sigurd Fire Emblem in Smash.

No but seriously though. I would delete 3 FE characters for 1 Zigludo.

Also I want more Spirit events with cool characters if they can't be fighters. Give me Fate, Granblue, Rayman, Crash, Tales, DMC, Tekken, GTA, Minecraft, give me all the spirit events.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I feel like I'm crazy sometimes for thinking that Smash's main audience would logically be people that want Nintendo/Nintendo-affiliated characters. I wouldn't think everybody would own all three consoles plus have an extensive PC setup plus have encyclopedic knowledge over every video game IP ever and their impact on certain demographics over the world.
I probably spend too much time on this board/reading hot takes on Reddit, because seeing the sheer amount of vitriol towards Banjo/Geno/Porky/insert any obscure Nintendo/Nintendo-tangent character has contributed to seeing them get in out of spite, even/especially if it's at the expense of "iconic" third-parties.
I'm speaking as someone who found Banjo-Kazooie as the highlight of the roster but also enjoyed seeing Joker, Hero and Terry once I got over the "who dat" barrier.

To be fair, if it's one game that likeliest to breed people with encyclopedic knowledge of videogames, it's the massive videogame crossover that Smash is.

While I certainly agree, given the ease of access to information (gameplay videos, music, let's play, analyses, etc.) nowadays, it's incredibly easy to learn about a character and what they're about. A lot of negativity in speculation stems from ignorance, committed either:

• willingly ("I don't want to entertain the notion of this character getting in since I see them in opposition to my most wanted so I'm just not going to listen")
• or unwillingly (if a person just doesn't have the money and doesn't think to do a Google search to learn about a popular character, the first part of which is understandable).

It's not that hard to do a Google search to learn about a character and understand why people might like them. There's really no excuse.

You don't even need to have played a character's game to think they'd be cool in Smash. You think I've played the games of half of the characters I've written about? No. But regardless, I think the character is interesting for some reason, so I do research to learn about them and argue as to why they might be in Smash Bros. And from that, I come to understand, respect, and join the ranks of their fans.

Furthermore, you seem to underestimate the amount of video games on Nintendo consoles, or the large library of games available through emulation. A lot of third party picks are available for cheap or for free in some way, shape, or form, but regardless are ignored or written off. It seems people are keen use Smash Speculation as a billboard list of the most "popular" characters (whatever popular means) or to shill their personal pick above all else when it's an amazing opportunity to broaden your horizons and get into new series.

All you have to do is be open to experiencing new series, and it seems a lot of people here just aren't.

On the other hand, though, I can understand someone not liking a character they have to Google to know. If someone feels like they know a lot about videogaming, then a character they don't know gets in, then that character must be obscure, unknown, and therefore lacking impact, influence, fame, popularity; for many people, those adjectives, if true, make for an undeserving addition. Googling can't really fix that, as you can find out about even the most obscure and forgotten of characters that way.

Obviously, the illusion of validity is in play here, and just because you don't know a character doesn't mean they are any of those things. But while I'm saying this right now, I'm also pretty confident in my own gaming knowledge, so if a character that I didn't know got in, maybe I'd react the same way.