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Considering why I dislike Incineroar and doubted its inclusion, there was no way I'd believe a Gothitelle leak.
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SMAASH! Puppy
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What does hating Incineroar have to do with not believing a Gothitelle leak?
Dragoncharystary
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Yes, this was the time when the Sakurai's room theories were getting so crazy to the point where someone created a "leaked" image of Sakurai's room from the next direct. IIRC the image was taken from an IKEA website and Sakurai was slapped on top of it.
Cosmic77
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It still convinced enough people to the point where we had serious discussions about whether or not Gothitelle could work as a Gardevoir Echo.
I actually remember an argument or two about Gothitelle's stubby disproportionate legs.
People were crazy in late summer 2018.
"WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE MAKING THE CONNECTION!? THE ROPE LADDER WAS A HINT FOR K. ROOL!! THE CHAIRS ARE HINTING AT SKULL KID!! LOZ18 SAID SO HIMSELF!!"
"OMG THAT PICTURE IS A REFERENCE TO GOLDEN SUN!! LOOK AT THE ANGLE!!"
3BitSaurus
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I know how you feel. I mean, we've got the literal embodiment of death as an archer, a boy and a yeti, an undead harpooner who became a kind of serial killer, a revived desert king who makes soldiers out of sand, a catfish/frog thing that makes faustian bargains and... whatever the hell Bard is.
I think it's because the characters don't depend too much on these references and still stand out on their own. References can be annoying if they happen too often or are more on the nose than necessary.
Powerman293
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Lol imagine if that same train of thinking was applied today.
"X character got its reveal delayed because of COVID!"
"Why, because nobody's getting any work done?"
"No, because the character's motif would be inappropriate."
Garteam
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"The fact Sakurai is in a plain white room hints at Sora, because his game's plot makes you feel like you're in an insane asylum"
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venomthebest
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read this in one article about sakurai talking smash stuff and this paragraph should deconfirm a bowser jr/ hero situation for the arms character
"However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!"
source http://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/28/sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-457-abilities-unlike-any-other/
"However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!"
source http://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/28/sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-457-abilities-unlike-any-other/
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SMAASH! Puppy
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As much as I agree with you, this really just applies to how characters function in game rather than the potential for differences being there. For example, the Koopalings could each have a few unique attacks involving the different types of spells they can cast and whatnot, but instead they were squished back into their Super Mario World proportions and homogenized into Bowser Jr.'s moveset. The more I think about it the less I like it, but it does prove that, unfortunately, they could do something like that again with the ARMS character(s).
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THE PLOT THICCENS!!!
— Rayman for Smash Together (@RaymanForSmash) April 23, 2020
Y'all remember when the Ubisoft bot called Sam (their version of Siri) would say it hoped for Rayman to show up in Smash dlc? Well me and some folks on discord were trying again and now it says NOTHING about it.
Looks like Ubisoft removed those too! 👀 https://t.co/8uSbCRL58E pic.twitter.com/nckDf4BXyP
Ubisoft's bot cannot say anything about smash ultimate as of April 22.
If rayman is in Fighters pass 2, then how would they handle the amiibo of him?
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SMAASH! Puppy
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That's not something that I considered, but yeah, a Rayman Amiibo would have a lot of kinda ugly clear plastic bits.
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There's a Rayman statue that poses him in a way where everything's touching something, meaning floating body parts are not a problem. So the Smash team would need to make his pose something that keeps things connected.
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CapitaineCrash
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Here's a great example of how a Rayman amiibo could work.
Edit: also I don't see how that points toward Rayman in Smash. The ubisoft costumes and Byleth are now 3 months old, maybe they thought that at this point the bot doesn't need to promote them.
Edit: also I don't see how that points toward Rayman in Smash. The ubisoft costumes and Byleth are now 3 months old, maybe they thought that at this point the bot doesn't need to promote them.
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Hm. That’s odd yeah but so was the fact that Capcom was announcing DMC stuff on the same day as Byleth’s reveal. It could just be a coincidence so if your a fan, keep your expectations in check.
Shroob
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I mean, even if the picture was a reference, which I still think it was, it's not like Sakurai doesn't reference other games all the time. It's just, back then, everyone was hoping on every small morsel that they could get their hands on to mean "X IS CONFIRMED!1!!!"
Hell, iirc, ZSS' Classic Mode screen in Smash 4 WiiU is a direct reference to Bayonetta. The dude just like making references.
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Playstation Guy 1000
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it would probably be like this:
Hey @RaymanGame , @RayForSmash and @NintendoFrance !
— RaySober (@RaySober) January 24, 2020
So, I've seen a lot of people say that a Rayman Amiibo would be impossible.
Well, I made this one, what do you guys think ? 🍤🍆👍 pic.twitter.com/BKXh9p7AMY
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Shroob
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As for the League rumor.
It's neat, League is absolutely a juggernaut of a game, basically being THE face of E-sports and standing head and shoulders above others.
I don't believe it at all, but it also wouldn't surprise me just due to how universal the game is.
It's neat, League is absolutely a juggernaut of a game, basically being THE face of E-sports and standing head and shoulders above others.
I don't believe it at all, but it also wouldn't surprise me just due to how universal the game is.
Shantae $2
Crash Bandicoot $5
Sub-Zero/Scorpion $2
Skull Kid $2
Paper Mario $2
Bomberman $2
Some of these $2 ones are a steal in my eyes.
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I agree that it's odd but I'd like to bring to attention the slight diss to Byleth as "another FE character".
Like, damn, it's reached the point where even other companies are getting in on it.
Cutie Gwen
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While that's true, the guy who allegedly stole the demo said "Sorry guys I tried dataminibg more and the Switch blew up", which is of course, ****ing hilarious
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If it's a bot then it probably just gave a different answer and that's why it didn't talk about Super Smash Bros Ultimate. How many times did they try it?
edit: Checked the tweet and it came up with the same response as the new one.
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Cutie Gwen
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Actually that might be the reason behind the change, Nintendo could have been upset at a trusted business partner dissing them with direct mention of their IP, this is the same company that takes **** down faster than you can say 'Copyright Strike' to 'protect their IP' after all
Shroob
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My one question about League is, if it is League, who in the world would they even pick. That game has over 120 characters and no real 'main' character.
There's definitely mascot-like characters, hell, Smashboards has an emote of arguably the most Mascot character of the series,
But as we've seen from Joker and Hero, just being a "Mascot" to a game/series isn't necessarily enough in the end.
It'd be interesting, if nothing else. The absolute BIGGEST E-Sport in the world crossing over with.... a game which Nintendo barely does anything in terms of E-Sports with, lol.
I still think the leak is bogus but, I had never really considered League as a possible candidate, now I'm at the very least considering it plausible because, I mean, it's probably up there with Call of Duty, Minecraft and Fortnite in just how large and widespread it is globally.
There's definitely mascot-like characters, hell, Smashboards has an emote of arguably the most Mascot character of the series,
But as we've seen from Joker and Hero, just being a "Mascot" to a game/series isn't necessarily enough in the end.
It'd be interesting, if nothing else. The absolute BIGGEST E-Sport in the world crossing over with.... a game which Nintendo barely does anything in terms of E-Sports with, lol.
I still think the leak is bogus but, I had never really considered League as a possible candidate, now I'm at the very least considering it plausible because, I mean, it's probably up there with Call of Duty, Minecraft and Fortnite in just how large and widespread it is globally.
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Dutch Raikuna
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Ah, yes. Nothing that screams threat to a massive company than a YT channel that uploads their music that won't even sell. Never going to get over that.
Or fangames. Or anything like that. Could at least reached middle ground like Capcom or Sega.
Come to think of it, it does make an uncomfortable amount of sense. Tencent is one of the biggest E-Sports drivers out there (running the LPL, the Chinese pro LoL league, for example, while providing funds for Riot to run the other LoL regions and Worlds). If Nintendo ever wants to learn how to run such an E-sports scene, Tencent and Valve are probably the biggest options they could look at.My one question about League is, if it is League, who in the world would they even pick. That game has over 120 characters and no real 'main' character.
There's definitely mascot-like characters, hell, Smashboards has an emote of arguably the most Mascot character of the series,
But as we've seen from Joker and Hero, just being a "Mascot" to a game/series isn't necessarily enough in the end.
It'd be interesting, if nothing else. The absolute BIGGEST E-Sport in the world crossing over with.... a game which Nintendo barely does anything in terms of E-Sports with, lol.
I still think the leak is bogus but, I had never really considered League as a possible candidate, now I'm at the very least considering it plausible because, I mean, it's probably up there with Call of Duty, Minecraft and Fortnite in just how large and widespread it is globally.
It doesn't affect how likely LoL is much if at all, mind (hell, all in all I still see LoL as an outsider at best, the leak feels really wonky and too dependent on factors going its way for it to be trustworthy. At least how things stands at the moment.). While I've long suspected that Nintendo's partnership with Tencent is more multifaceted than just "Switch getting an official Chinese release" Smash is not neccessarily part of the deal. Thing is, Smash could easily fit in those plans too. The timing (what with an abridged LoL - Wild Rift - probably heading to the Switch in 2021) feels a bit too convinient too.
Of course, this could wind up being nothing in the end.
Organizational culture is, if I may behave like
Cutie Gwen
for a bit, a *****.I suspect that that line of thinking comes from years of Nintendo self-publishing its own games and consoles. "This is our territory / property, and we pride ourselves on being exclusive!" Not every Nintendo employee thinks like this of course - but if an organization is successful at one thing (which Nintendo is) thinking like this spreads really easily within the organization (especially higher-ups). The key to success in this case lays within the whole exclusivity package.
There's the flipside though as you mentioned: Nintendo overreacting on a YT channel - or fangame - based on the mere possibility that said exclusitivy gets "dilluted". Organizational culture can wind up in some really weird leaps of logic.
Shroob
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This line of thinking, of course, implies Nintendo wants to do anything E-Sports related.Come to think of it, it does make an uncomfortable amount of sense. Tencent is one of the biggest E-Sports drivers out there (running the LPL, the Chinese pro LoL league, for example, while providing funds for Riot to run the other LoL regions and Worlds). If Nintendo ever wants to learn how to run such an E-sports scene, Tencent and Valve are probably the biggest options they could look at.
It doesn't affect how likely LoL is much if at all, mind (hell, all in all I still see LoL as an outsider at best, the leak feels really wonky and too dependent on factors going its way for it to be trustworthy. At least how things stands at the moment.). While I've long suspected that Nintendo's partnership with Tencent is more multifaceted than just "Switch getting an official Chinese release" Smash is not neccessarily part of the deal. Thing is, Smash could easily fit in those plans too. The timing (what with an abridged LoL - Wild Rift - probably heading to the Switch in 2021) feels a bit too convinient too.
Of course, this could wind up being nothing in the end.
Organizational culture is, if I may behave like
I suspect that that line of thinking comes from years of Nintendo self-publishing its own games and consoles. "This is our territory / property, and we pride ourselves on being exclusive!" Not every Nintendo employee thinks like this of course - but if an organization is successful at one thing (which Nintendo is) thinking like this spreads really easily within the organization (especially higher-ups). The key to success in this case lays within the whole exclusivity package.
There's the flipside though as you mentioned: Nintendo overreacting on a YT channel - or fangame - based on the mere possibility that said exclusitivy gets "dilluted". Organizational culture can wind up in some really weird leaps of logic.
If they had wanted to do anything like that with Smash, they would have hit the ground running from the get go, now, it's a bit too late to really have the same level of impact. Sure, Smash is a very healthy competitive game, but it feels like they missed the boat on a high point for organized play(Aka when the game came out).
True Blue Warrior
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My gut feelings tells me we are getting another Nintendo fighter who debuted on the Switch in this pass.
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Not disagreeing with you there. It's a major if, and Nintendo certainly did stumble - the first Nintendo Open is a prime example (the one Heeew talks about here):
The tournaments suggest there's some interest from Nintendo's POV - but hoo boy was the first tournament a disaster:
- 7 Minutes Time match (No stocks)
- All Items (even if on low)
- Bo1 series in pools (One game, Single Elim Bracket - one loss you're out). Bo3 - still Single Elim - in the main Bracket.
openly announced that it'd give 4 paid-for spots in EVO 2019 (and thus this online tournament was tied to an actual pro tournament). Heeew actually got one of the spots. To writ:- 3 Stocks, 7 minutes (Same as Pro Ultimate)
- Limited item pool (while not exactly as competitive people want, it's major a step in the right direction). No Pokeballs / ATs this time around. Top 16 - the last two rounds - had no items.
- Bo3 throughout, if still Single Elim
Nintendo's also running the fully pro SSBU European Circuit this year (Including Nintendo actually hosting the European Circuit's Grand Finals at Dreamhack.), albeit it's very likely under a pause right now.
Again: if Nintendo (of Japan presumably) is not interested, that's that most likely.
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I mean it'll probably be Rex or a Sword/Shield rep because those are the two that are likely at this point. Either that or we could get a character from BOTW. I certainly wouldn't mind Urbosa.
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Would Octoling technically count? Because Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion...
True Blue Warrior
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Sure why not.
Michael the Spikester
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First League of Legends and now Rayman. Whatever will be next?
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People really are going on with the "nobody plays Smash casually" meme, huh?Do you think Nintendo having an items-on tournament was just to see for themselves why no one actually uses them?
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As long as it's the Octo expansion design (i.e. Agent 8) and not the classic 80's tentacles one from the original game.
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