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Smash rarely does anything notable for anniversaries. There might've been a PotD or a Conquest that mentioned a few, but anniversaries usually come and go.
Plus, most of the notable FE characters already have a Spirit. Either they'd add duplicates just for the sake of it, or they'd add new but random characters who don't really go together.
"Square stingy" is more an individual property thing than a company-wide thing, and even then they're stingy in different ways. Final Fantasy is one giant rights nightmare with both music and character depictions. Dragon Quest is too, like not letting heroes depicted as fighting each other, which is why it's amazing that Sakurai managed to get alts.
Honestly though while I'm super stoked about the Trials of Mana remake, and about seeing the Mana series in general get in Smash, it feels kinda dirty to see Trials get content over the much better known Secret. Something about the overt promotional factor irks me, which is dumb because Spirit Events haven't been not promotional in a while. But I guess this is the first time a Spirit Event gives us a new series with glaring absences from the get-go.
Honestly though while I'm super stoked about the Trials of Mana remake, and about seeing the Mana series in general get in Smash, it feels kinda dirty to see Trials get content over the much better known Secret. Something about the overt promotional factor irks me, which is dumb because Spirit Events haven't been not promotional in a while. But I guess this is the first time a Spirit Event gives us a new series with glaring absences from the get-go.
It should be noted that Seiken Densetsu 3 is better remembered than 2 in Japan even if the latter sold more in the end. Like seriously, people LOVE the game.
It's something I've actually brought up a few times in SE-related threads, mentioning how SoM is a pretty popular/beloved SNES title and isn't even an "irrelevant" series thanks to SoM being on the SNES Mini, the SoM remake, mana collection, and of course the Trails of mana remake.
I never really thought a Mana character had that good of of shot making it in though tbh, but like you it was weird to not see the series mentioned more.
"Square stingy" is more an individual property thing than a company-wide thing, and even then they're stingy in different ways. Final Fantasy is one giant rights nightmare with both music and character depictions. Dragon Quest is too, like not letting heroes depicted as fighting each other, which is why it's amazing that Sakurai managed to get alts.
People keep bringing up music rights being all over the place for Final Fantasy, but unlike Dragon Quest where the music has Sugiyama listed as the copyright holder, Square Enix themselves are always listed as the copyright holder for Final Fantasy music (and indeed other franchises like SaGa). Granted, I haven't looked at absolutely every case but I doubt we'd be getting stuff like Florence and the Machine's FFXV tracks anyway.
The only person/party I can think of that is listed as a separate copyright holder for anything Final Fantasy is Amano for the logo designs. I guess the same would be true for Amano's other artworks for the series but they are often more abstract takes on the character designs.
Spring Man
Isaac
Ray MK III
Saki Amamiya
Starfy
Barbara
Seriously, I must have a HIGH tolerance for WTF/obscure/retro/niche characters, because I kid you all not, I'd honestly be cool with nearly every AT getting a promotion. Yes, this does even include ones like Nikki, Vince, Sheriff, Kururin, Arcade Bunny, Dr. Wright, Dr. Kawashima, and SO much more.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Saxton Hale is the final fighter then! Why? Because of this page from Team Fortress 2’s “War Update” comic.
Alternatively, we get ? Block as our final fighter.
As for my spending habits:
$5 - Heavy
$9 - Agitha
$12 - Steve
$14 - Shantae
$15 - Shiori Fujisaki? Mostly because I had to search who she is and thought “she’s crazy enough to put in here!”
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Interesting but very likely a shot in the dark that just so happened to hit. At the very least it's something to talk about.
Of course a League of Legends character seems like such an absurd idea that it makes me want to rule this entire thing out without even knowing anything else. Would be cool though if it did happen.
Hey 3BitSaurus
looks like a league character finally had their chance to get in the leak spotlight.
As for Ahri itself that's a pick that makes sense in the context of league. She's been used in a lot of promotional materials and she's generally popular. I'm okay with this pick.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Honestly, I'm not too impressed with getting a Trials of Mana spirit event correct. After stuff like Daemon X Machine and Resident Evil, I think it's safe to predict that any third-party titles that Nintendo puts strong support behind will probably receive a spirit event.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Imma be 100% honest I really don’t like that there’s only 5 characters. There’s just so many more characters that would be so damn good from so many different companies and from Nintendo that it would be a damn shame for it to end here. I hope to God that there is a Ultimate Deluxe or something coming out after because I don’t want to drop any of these characters. Each one is more phenomenal than the last and a reboot or even a sequel without all these characters feels like nothing more than a major downgrade.
Sol
Jill
Hayabusa
Dante
Lloyd
2B
Lara Croft
Geno
Bandana Dee
Isaac
Ezio
Rayman
All these are incredible choices and likely and there’s so many more that would be great but even out of this handful we will only get 5 of them MAX and that’s just a damn shame. I really really hope Ultimate continues after this. I think it needs to.
Honestly, I’m fine with this since I dotn want the roster to get too bloated, if we were basing this off of the slot data mining then we would still get 4 more characters, which would probably all be echo fighters if I was sakurai. Shadow....
I honestly didn't even see that they had mentioned Trials of Mana spirits at first, so I was hella confused as to why everyone was talking about this leak all of a sudden.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
I'm assuming Shovel Knight would be 5$ since he's 3rd party and not listed on cheaper lists, and also assuming we don't have to adhere to 5 or 6 slots to match FP2 or FP2 with the ARMS rep, so:
Master Chief (5$)
Isaac (4$)
Shovel Knight (5$)
Impa as Daisy-tier clone of Sheik (1$)
At least League doesn't have every character be fundamentally the same, it's been like a decade since I've even been somewhat interested in League but every character being so drastically different from each other caught my eye
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
Imma be 100% honest I really don’t like that there’s only 5 characters. There’s just so many more characters that would be so damn good from so many different companies and from Nintendo that it would be a damn shame for it to end here. I hope to God that there is a Ultimate Deluxe or something coming out after because I don’t want to drop any of these characters. Each one is more phenomenal than the last and a reboot or even a sequel without all these characters feels like nothing more than a major downgrade.
Sol
Jill
Hayabusa
Dante
Lloyd
2B
Lara Croft
Geno
Bandana Dee
Isaac
Ezio
Rayman
All these are incredible choices and likely and there’s so many more that would be great but even out of this handful we will only get 5 of them MAX and that’s just a damn shame. I really really hope Ultimate continues after this. I think it needs to.
I get what you're saying but asking for all characters to be brought back from here on, especially all the 3rd parties, would be a major financial blow on Nintendo.
I bet the negotiations would still end up being high priced, because some of these companies might want bigger profit if their character is gonna remain as a mainstay in this crossover. Didn't Cloud almost not made it back to Ultimate for this very reason?
I also very much doubt that there are that many 3rd party characters left to add with a very good reason, like the ones we got before. I could see Crash Bandicoot, 2B, Hayabusa and Lloyd, but not too sure about the others.
I do think your list of first party owned characters will all end up making it. And maybe fan support could bring back previously cut characters from Ultimate to the next Smash if it's really persistent. But am not thinking everyone will just be able to come back all that easily.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories
I guess it's time to bring up the old "million monkeys on a Typewriter" metaphor.
Riesz was a character I supported to be playable, better than nothing I guess. I'm surprised Angela wasn't represented by Bayonetta considering the common theme they both have.
Ehh whether the leak is fake or true it at least gives us something new to talk about. I like how the chosen champion isn't directly named by the leak, that gives more freedom to speculate on who the LoL character might be. And unlike ARMS, the cast of LoL are a lot more different than each other when it comes to design and abilities, and they don't have a quite clear definitive face for the series like Spring Man is to ARMS. Ahri might seem like a likely choice, but there are also many other popular champions to choose from.
Shamelessly stealing this from the "Build your Avengers team!" game on twitter, but I'm generally unoriginal so I think this should work out:
Build your own Smash DLC!
The rules are simple. You get $15 to spend on your selection of DLC characters. Every character is priced from $1 to $5 based on no objective criteria beyond my own judgement of "yeah, this seems right here". There's no bonus for having excess money, so try to make every dollar count!
Dante
Crash Bandicoot
Sora
Master Chief
Unique Third Party character not listed in the other categories
2B
Phoenix Wright
Chris/Jill/Leon
Bandana Waddle Dee
Waluigi
Issac
Kazuma Kiryu
Lloyd Irving
Geno
Doom Marine
Ryu Hayabusa
Unique Nintendo character not listed in the other categories