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In the defense of a composite ARMS rep, the build of some characters is similair enough to justify making them alts of each other, and the custom arms are shared between characters so it's not like they can't use each others weapons. The only difference between the characters is one or two special abilities. The idea is more adequate than you might think it is.
"Byleth uses the whole weapon triangle, he's the perfect FE Fighte-"
(that's Leif with an A rank in every weapon type, except Light which is C and dark magic which he can't use_
reminder that leif was robbed in '99 and '01
Also each ARMS character has only one throw, so if the Spring Man/Ribbon Girl/Min Min/Ninjara theory is true, you can imagine what the character's four throws would be like.
FP6: ARMS (Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, Min Min)
That really isn't an apt comparison at all, considering almost all ARMS characters are functionally identical nearly, as well as many of them sharing similar/the same body types. Each character's ability is a very small part of the character. Metroid bosses, on the otherhand, are all incredibly different in every way.
So a more fair analogy would be having other Sonic characters as alts for Sonic?
Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's not a fighting game. The main gameplay is still facing off against an opponent (or a small number of them if you're into the party side of it or doing a doubles match) until only one of you is left standing.
Actually, when you take into account those 4 and their throws in particular, they'd actually work very well with each of the corresponding directions
Smash is simple. SFV is simple. BBTag is simple. The difference is that ARMS only has 3 options. Left punch, right punch and grab. Every other fighting game gives you more options with a single button. When the most advanced tech the game has is possibly the most basic oki I've ever seen. Meanwhile oki in actual fighting games is this wild ****
Ah I feel bad now. Not a huge fan, but I enjoyed those games. Forgot they're owned by Nintendo too.
It won't be good when this is the only one OR it takes away a non Spirit/AT character that people won't shut up about
That doesn't make it not a fighting game though, just not a good one in your opinion. And to be fair, arena fighting games are kind of like fighting game's estranged cousin (since they're super different and usually shovelware) so nobody really talks about them in the first place.
Im a bit cliche with my ideal FP:
Idk man **** like Jump Force, Naruto Ninja Storm, MHA, One Punch Man and even more at least carry more depth than ARMS. That **** has NO sauce, it isn't even a matter of opinion, nobody, NOBODY on this planet would play a match of ARMS with friends over any fighting games, nobody would go "Yo you see that sick ARMS tournament? The grand finals was hype, did you see that godlike tech?". I genuinely struggle to think of any other games, be it video games, sports or chess, that is even half as dull to watch as ARMS
That...doesn't make sense. Fighting game characters are never equal in popularity, and popularity doesn't affect game balance. If it did, Twintell and Min Min would be objectively the best characters in the game and that doesn't seem to be the case. It would also probably make Spring Man the best character if you put him in Smash since he'd become the most well known, but that just sounds silly.
Gwen I'm sorry but this is absolutely gatekeeping. It's a multiplayer game focused on one on one combat. It has a timer, free movement, a round system, and even the Attack>Grab>Shield>Attack triangle in a simplified way.
FP1: Minmin (ARMS)
Before the ARMS announcement I saw something like 4 third parties and 2 first parties for the pass. After ARMS, I'm thinking the same, maybe 3 third parties and 3 first parties.
I don't want to start a discussion about what is a fighting game and all that but I definitely don't see an ARMS character as the "FGC rep of the pass", assuming we only can have one FGC character for each pass. But as other have said, we had 3 RPG characters in the first one so I don't think 2 fighting reps in the second one is impossible. Unlikely, yeah, but not impossible to see.
Look at my girl Millia.
I think you’re misinterpreting what I mean here. Might be partly my bad, english is not my first language so I struggle with exact wording. I’m not taking strictly about fighting games here, but all games. I’ll try an example instead. I think it’s like what happened with Three Houses and Byleth. Everyone thought Edelgard would be the one to get in, but they chose Byleth. While I can’t say for sure, it’s almost certainly because they didn’t want to pick between House Leaders and show favouritism. Byleth was the most convenient option in that regard. The three house leaders are supposed to be equal, after all.
Of course it's not an FGC rep, it's not a part of the fighting game community. Super Smash Bros. isn't apart of the FGC. That doesn't make it or ARMS not fighting games.
And I'm not saying it ever will, but that won't change the game's genre. It'd be like saying a platformer isn't a platformer because you can't speedrun it.
Neither will Street Fighter I, but that doesn't mean it isn't a fighting game. You're letting your bias cloud your objectivity. It's objectively a fighting game.
Edelgard got pushed over the others for a reason and it's because the House Leaders aren't equal at all.
I wouldn't go that far, personally. Like, Punch-Out!! isn't a fighting game despite being focused on melee combat.
Idk man, I feel this argument doesn't hold weight when nobody outside of Sakurai acknowledges SFI, the game where you could play as Ryu or Ken and nobody else with the godawful 'press or hold the button' mechanic.
I have a question: Don't Rhythm Heaven fans want a rep because the whole rhythm thing would be unique? If so, I see a potential problem with that. It would be difficult to have a rhythmic timing to button presses when all the songs in the game have different rhythmic timing. I could easily see songs throwing off a person's play if they're too different to how you'd have to time your attacks (and I'd like to note that "Environmental Noises" is a track in the game). And of course, it would probably be more of a workload than it's worth to try and make it so the character's button presses time differently with every song in the game (to which players would then have to learn the timings for tons of different songs).
That’s true, and I knew that was the reason Edelgard was being pushed. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the main concept of the game is still picking sides between these three different characters. One of them might have a bit more story prevalence than the others, but they’re still treated as equal within the game. It’s not as if the Blue Lions and Golden Deer are merely side routes. Looks like we might have to agree to disagree on this one.
Like I said, Pichu was pushed enough as one of Johto's faces for it to be probable even if Melee had more dev time.
Nobody acknowledges it because it's a dumpster fire of a game. It's still a fighting game as much as Mega Man (DOS) is a platformer though.
The character's inputs should not be based on the music playing; They need to be playable with the sound off. What they can do though, is have you time button presses as a way of calling back to the rhythm of the minigame the attack comes from. An attack from Karate Man, for example, would summon a pot that heads towards the character, and the button must be pressed again at the right time to launch the pot at the opponent. You could also have it act similarly to Header in that it allows you to hit it with different angles, but the timing is what makes the attack's effect go off. Most attacks should also work even if you screw up the timing, just not as effectively.
Agreed, If we can have multiple JRPG characters last pass, I don’t see why we can’t get multiple fighting game characters this time around.
FP1: Twintelle (ARMS)