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Ah yes Rex's chances of being playable are dead forever, because by the time a new Smash game comes out a new Xenoblade will be released, and the new protag will obviously be prioritized.

Just like how Noctis was chosen over Cloud because FFXV was the new Final Fantasy game, and Cloud's a relic of a bygone era. Or like how the Pokemon Trainer in Brawl was based off of Lucas from Diamond and Pearl, because who cares about Red anymore? He's not the most recent protag, so he's old news!

Toon Link? Who cares about him?! Twilight Princess was already released, Wind Waker's nothing anymore! Dark Samus? Hasn't been relevant for years! Thank god we got the Queen Metroid from Other M instead of that old dinosaur!
To be fair Cloud is way more iconic than Noctis, and Toon link basically have his own sub-series (Wind waker and Phantom hourglass and later spirit track). Dark Samus is a easy echo and was also very popular. Rex might lose his popularity depending where the Xenoblade franchise is heading.
 
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If Nintendo wants to promote a game they're going to use content from that game. It's pretty simple.

They're not going to promote XCDE with XC2 stuff (to be real, they're not going to choose a remake to promote with Smash DLC anyway), they're not going to promote BotW2 with like... MM or TP stuff (if they used BotW content, it'd be because that content was also in BotW2)... they're going to promote the game... with stuff from that game.

You guys are working backwards thinking "how can we get Rex/popular Zelda character/whoever" in this game? When the logic they'd use is, "who would push [specific upcoming title]? And the answer to that isn't a character that doesn't appear in that title.
I agree.

I'm not saying Skull Kid, Midna, or Impa can't happen, which is what I feel like people are taking away from my posts. I just don't think BotW 2 will have anything to do with their inclusion. They won't be promotional.
 

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To be fair Cloud is way more iconic than Noctis, and Toon link basically have his own sub-series (Wind waker and Phantom hourglass and later spirit track). Dark Samus his a easy echo and was also very popular. Rex might lose his popularity depending where the Xenoblade franchise is heading.
Mainline Xenoblade (1, 2, Torna) has different protagonists each. 3 probably won't have Rex as the protag.

X, however, ended on a cliffhanger, so a sequel would likely have us revisit Mira, and Elma would once again be in the spotlight.
 

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I said earlier that a non-BotW2 character would work as a tie-in Smash inclusion for BotW2 by raising general brand awareness and I think the same would apply to a potential XB inclusion. There's ways to promote things that aren't just THIS GAME IS OUT, PLAY AS PROTAGONIST FROM GAME IN OTHER GAME AND ALSO BUY THEIR GAME TOO.

Mind if they went the brand-promotion route for Xenoblade I'd hope that they do half-and-half with the character being from one game and the stage from another. Have Rex+Pyra be the fighter for Xenoblade 2 and give us a Mira stage from Xenoblade X. Everyone wins, entire franchise is repped and you didn't need 8 characters to do it.
The thing that it's putting me off for a BOTW rep is the fact that the bonus Mii Costume is the Ancient Armor set. Why not wait for a BOTW Character to put it in the Mii lineup.
 

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The thing that it's putting me off for a BOTW rep is the fact that the bonus Mii Costume is the Ancient Armor set. Why not wait for a BOTW Character to put it in the Mii lineup.
Why not bring back the Virtua Fighter costumes with the Sega character, like the Sonic ones?
 

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The thing that it's putting me off for a BOTW rep is the fact that the bonus Mii Costume is the Ancient Armor set. Why not wait for a BOTW Character to put it in the Mii lineup.
I mean, A character doesn't need to be tied to relevant Mii costumes. Banjo and Byleth both got Mii costumes revealed in their presentations that had nothing to do with either of their franchises.
 

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Ah yes Rex's chances of being playable are dead forever, because by the time a new Smash game comes out a new Xenoblade will be released, and the new protag will obviously be prioritized.

Just like how Noctis was chosen over Cloud because FFXV was the new Final Fantasy game, and Cloud's a relic of a bygone era.
Better example would be expecting Lightning now that's there's Noctis.

Cloud gets in first as the most famous character from any series is the one who gets in first. Also if you start comparing first and third party inclusions you'll find many inconsistencies because the two face different standards.

Or like how the Pokemon Trainer in Brawl was based off of Lucas from Diamond and Pearl, because who cares about Red anymore? He's not the most recent protag, so he's old news!
Lucario was also included in that game. If we get two new Xenoblade characters one might be Rex, but we won't, because Xenoblade isn't Pokemon. It isn't even Fire Emblem.

Also, again, better examples would be how Gen 3 and 5 still have yet to receive representation.

Toon Link? Who cares about him?! Twilight Princess was already released, Wind Waker's nothing anymore!
It wasn't when the roster was chosen. Also Toon Link is a clone, and late priority in Brawl.

Dark Samus? Hasn't been relevant for years! Thank god we got the Queen Metroid from Other M instead of that old dinosaur!
Are you expecting Rex to be a clone? The characters you're comparing him to get in under different circumstances than unique first-parties. They're not equatable.
 

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has anyone discussed this yet?
Yeah, we talked about it like a month or two back. This isn't the most recent column from Sakurai, I guess Source Gaming just got around to posting the translation or something.
 

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I don't expect any Xenoblade characters to show up in FP2 but I could totally see Rex in a Chrom situation where he "gets his chance some other day" in the next Smash game.
 

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I don't expect any Xenoblade characters to show up in FP2 but I could totally see Rex in a Chrom situation where he "gets his chance some other day" in the next Smash game.
So...do you expect him to be an echo fighter of Shulk or something?

Because that's quite literally the only reason Chrom is playable.
 

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I don't expect any Xenoblade characters to show up in FP2 but I could totally see Rex in a Chrom situation where he "gets his chance some other day" in the next Smash game.
Tbf a big part of what got Chrom in was being a clone. And seemingly a late-addition one at that. I don't really see that as a plausible path for Rex.

"but I’ve never turned down an idea due to lack of gameplay ideas"

Oh crap.
Other than Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, Bubbles, Pac-Man, etc etc etc
 

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I'm gonna be brutally honest. I don't see a path for Rex outside Echoes if XC3 comes out before the next Smash.

I fully expect XC to go the Pokemon and FE route, meaning that the most recent game gets priority. He might be able to get in if the fanbase unites around him, but I don't think the support is there.
 
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Something tells me we're going to get a first party character as DLC, but it wont be a promotional recent character like Byleth or Gen 8 Pokemon.

I don't have anything supporting this. Just a hunch. Quote me on it later.
 

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Something tells me we're going to get a first party character as DLC, but it wont be a promotional recent character like Byleth or Gen 8 Pokemon.

I don't have anything supporting this. Just a hunch. Quote me on it later.
The trailer will bait you into thinking we'll get a Gen 8 Pokemon. Terry trailer 2: May-or-may-not-be-electric-depending-on-its-typing Boogaloo.

But seriously, you need to look at more possibilities for first-parties when "we're totally getting capcom and namco reps to bring back their costumes" wasn't true.
 
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Something tells me we're going to get a first party character as DLC, but it wont be a promotional recent character like Byleth or Gen 8 Pokemon.

I don't have anything supporting this. Just a hunch. Quote me on it later.
This is how Mike Tyson can still win.
 
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With no well known and trusted insiders saying a Direct is happening currently, it's safe to assume it's not happening this week, so I imagine NoA's twitter will post something for Mario Day instead tomorrow. The only question I have now is will the next Direct air before MUA3's next DLC drops on the 26th?



And since tomorrow is a Tuesday, the next Spirit Event is gonna be revealed. It's pretty much the only Smash related content to look forward to during these waiting periods, so I can't wait to see what new spirits get added.
 

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right now the only way I see Rex and Pyra in is if Sakurai wanted them in badly enough. He loved the game, and wanted them in base if the timing was better. If he REALLY wants them in they are getting in. otherwise its wait for the next smash game. They are a lock for the next for sure given how sakurai acted.

even so i don't think they'd add a XC2 stage at this point in time with more music anyway

Hiroyuki Sawano, X's composer, is totally absent, so we could get the whole package deal with Elma. doesn't Sawano have some kinda copyright thing with him? Could explain why X music wasn't in base and Elma could be DLC - Sawano would want a cut of the royalties



With Spring Man being an AT I wouldn't count on Min Min, Twintelle or even Dr. Coyle being playable at this rate

Coyle would be interesting tho - first series rep is a "villain"
Right now I think the only ARMS rep possible is Ribbon Girl as she is like the co-star of the series. She has a Mii COstume but still can see it.

With no well known and trusted insiders saying a Direct is happening currently, it's safe to assume it's not happening this week, so I imagine NoA's twitter will post something for Mario Day instead tomorrow. The only question I have now is will the next Direct air before MUA3's next DLC drops on the 26th?



And since tomorrow is a Tuesday, the next Spirit Event is gonna be revealed. It's pretty much the only Smash related content to look forward to during these waiting periods, so I can't wait to see what new spirits get added.
I thought most Insiders weren't leaking anything anymore given how much crackdown nintendo has. I was expecting no direct news to be leaked before nintendo now
 
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Something tells me we're going to get a first party character as DLC, but it wont be a promotional recent character like Byleth or Gen 8 Pokemon.

I don't have anything supporting this. Just a hunch. Quote me on it later.
Honestly I just can't see it happening. Smash 4 dlc (not counting veterans) only first parties was promotionnal, and Ultimate fighter pass 1 only first party was also promotionnal. I know "pattern might be broken" but I just can't see who could they add at this point while still bringing new stages and new music and probably new spirits and while not being promotionnal aside from Mike Jones from Startropics.
 

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With no well known and trusted insiders saying a Direct is happening currently, it's safe to assume it's not happening this week, so I imagine NoA's twitter will post something for Mario Day instead tomorrow. The only question I have now is will the next Direct air before MUA3's next DLC drops on the 26th?



And since tomorrow is a Tuesday, the next Spirit Event is gonna be revealed. It's pretty much the only Smash related content to look forward to during these waiting periods, so I can't wait to see what new spirits get added.
Welp, time to start praying that Devil May Cry isn't the next series to be spirited away.
 

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right now the only way I see Rex and Pyra in is if Sakurai wanted them in badly enough. He loved the game, and wanted them in base if the timing was better. If he REALLY wants them in they are getting in. otherwise its wait for the next smash game. They are a lock for the next for sure given how sakurai acted.
Japanese fans also still really want Rex. We'll just have to see what Nintendo's thinking.
 
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I thought most Insiders weren't leaking anything anymore given how much crackdown nintendo has. I was expecting no direct news to be leaked before nintendo now
That didn't stop Emily Rogers from asking someone on twitter if they liked Animal Crossing when they wanted a Direct.
 
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Honestly I just can't see it happening. Smash 4 dlc (not counting veterans) only first parties was promotionnal, and Ultimate fighter pass 1 only first party was also promotionnal. I know "pattern might be broken" but I just can't see who could they add at this point while still bringing new stages and new music and probably new spirits and while not being promotionnal aside from Mike Jones from Startropics.
Well my "rational," if you will, is that Byleth was completely slept on at the end of Wave 1. Everybody and their grandmas expected a third party. I even brought it up one time in this thread and I got a lot of disagreement from it because 3rd party patterns, there are better marketing choices, too recent, etc.

Now I'm seeing everybody almost 100% expect one first party for this pass, and pretty much the only characters brought up are recent characters like Rex and such. It makes me think "are we sleeping on the idea that Sakurai could pull a Sakurai and pull a crazy spirit upgrade" or some such.

Food for thought.
 
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Well my "rational," if you will, is that Byleth was completely slept on at the end of Wave 1. Everybody and their grandmas expected a third party. I even brought it up one time in this thread and I got a lot of disagreement from it because 3rd party patterns, there are better marketing choices, too recent, etc.

Now I'm seeing everybody almost 100% expect one first party for this pass, and pretty much the only characters brought up are recent characters like Rex and such. It makes me think "are we sleeping on the idea that Sakurai could pull a Sakurai and pull a crazy spirit upgrade" or some such.

Food for thought.
The only thing I think is off about this line of thinking is the fact that Sakurai can't actually pull a Sakurai if Nintendo is picking for him.

I myself have a feeling there's a first party in there, but I would assume it would be one that would line up with an advertisement. That said, there isn't one that we know of currently that has a logical pick to choose.

It's weird. I'm mainly hoping we get a reveal soon, but I'm also just...quite tired after my 2nd day with students at my new job, lol.
 

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That didn't stop Emily Rogers from asking someone on twitter if they liked Animal Crossing when they wanted a Direct.
wasn't that before the crackdown was happening? Plus that resetera guy leaked animalcrossing direct on the 20th a few weeks earlier.
 

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Well my "rational," if you will, is that Byleth was completely slept on at the end of Wave 1. Everybody and their grandmas expected a third party. I even brought it up one time in this thread and I got a lot of disagreement from it because 3rd party patterns, there are better marketing choices, too recent, etc.

Now I'm seeing everybody almost 100% expect one first party for this pass, and pretty much the only characters brought up are recent characters like Rex and such. It makes me think "are we sleeping on the idea that Sakurai could pull a Sakurai and pull a crazy spirit upgrade" or some such.

Food for thought.
Well Sakurai didn't chose the dlc so I don't think we will see crazy Sakurai pick like Takamaru or Mach rider. At best I could see Nintendo chosing a highly request character (like Waluigi or Isaac) but I'm really don't think it will happen personnally but it's probably not impossible.
 

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Is it wrong if I secretly hope that whatever 1st party game they have a shill character for ends up facing development difficulties and delays? For something to go wrong in the midst of a coldly calculated marketing ploy would bring me joy, no matter the company or product.

Or maybe it's been Sylux all along and I've already gotten my wish.
 

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Is it wrong if I secretly hope that whatever 1st party game they have a shill character for ends up facing development difficulties and delays? For something to go wrong in the midst of a coldly calculated marketing ploy would bring me joy, no matter the company or product.

Or maybe it's been Sylux all along and I've already gotten my wish.
monkey's paw

it turns out to have been a starring title for a highly requested character, (eg. standalone waluigi game, new golden sun)
 
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Weird that people think there might be another FE rep. There's no major game being released anytime soon, and I'm certain they'll prioritize other series at this point.

But despite the FE fatigue, the games have tons of cool characters they could pick from. We've had mostly swordfighters, but there's a lot of potential. We could get a Bishop/Necromancer, some kind of agile archer, maybe a general like the BlackKnight, and *gasp* maybe even a Pegasus Knight. Really there's a lot of nice smash characters that could be made from that. It's just too bad they "killed" that series with useless/repetitive echos like Lucina and Chrom that piled up on the already similar Marth and Roy.
 
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wasn't that before the crackdown was happening? Plus that resetera guy leaked animalcrossing direct on the 20th a few weeks earlier.
I had to check the dates cause I was sure this was after Sabi deleted his twitter account, but it appears that Emily did say it before that happened. My bad. For some reason I lost track of time and thought the AC Direct was in the last week of February which would've been after Sabi and Zippo saying Nintendo were coming for their asses (even though Zippo said he was speculating about the directs or some **** idk).
 

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A lot of people wouldn't. So what?



Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything.



That just means "I don't want him to be playable".
The Fact that he is a controversial character makes me believe a FP11 would be a bad pick. FP7,8 or 9 would be better for him.
 

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The Fact that he is a controversial character makes me believe a FP11 would be a bad pick. FP7,8 or 9 would be better for him.
reminder that before vol 2 was greenlit, byleth was intended to be the last character Ultimate would ever receive
 
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Sakurai can see more than you think. He could tell that Mega Man, Ridley (mainly a Western request), and Geno were popular without a ballot, and I don't think he needed a ballot to see that K. Rool and Banjo were popular either. A lot of characters who he claims to have gotten in because of the ballot should've been obvious.
I like your ideas for the smash DLC characters, I just think pauline wouldn't get in the game. and I don't think paper Mario would either, a lot of people would get upset with three marios, if they removed Doc in the next game and added paper, that would be cool :D
 

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The Fact that he is a controversial character makes me believe a FP11 would be a bad pick. FP7,8 or 9 would be better for him.
Every character is "controversial", dude. There will never be any character in existence who everyone will unanimously agree would be a good pick for DLC.

Just because your friends aren't into Chief doesn't mean he's a bad pick. It just means he doesn't fit their personal tastes.
 
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