Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Animegamingnerd]

I lean towards not getting another western character. Banjo was likely pick simply due to the sheer overwhelming demand, something no other western third party has arguably reached. Then look at nintendo's relationship with the major Japanese third parties is much stronger, like take Square for example who have made several exclusives on the Switch and Nintendo heavily features their games in directs, Capcom while not porting a lot of their modern games (likely due to hardware limitations) is porting so much of their older games like RE, Monster Hunter Generations, Okami and even for the first time on a Nintendo platform DMC and Dragon's Dogma. Plus a lot of these companies like Bandai Namco, Capcom, Square and especially Atlus were big 3DS supporters were as western third party support was basically non-existent.

Right now the only big western third party supporters for the Switch is Bethesda and Ubisoft porting a decent of their older and some cases modern games to the system with Ubisoft even making an exclusive for the system with Mario + Rabbits, Activision counting both them and Blizzard have only about 5 games on the system with Nintendo more or so pushing the Blizzard side of Activision way more then any of the Skylanders or Crash games on the system, Meanwhile EA treats the Switch the same way that Martin Scorsese treats Marvel movies. MS has only given us three of their games being Ori, Cuphead, and Minecraft. Minecraft was on almost everything before MS bought Mojang and both Ori and Cuphead are from MS biggest franchise like Gears and Halo.

Looking at who Nintendo decided for FP1 gives me the vibe they want to promote games from companies they have a close working relationship with, which is why I lean towards Ubisoft or Bethesda before anyone else if we get another western rep and if we do it would probably be one of their most well know characters like Ezio or any of the Assassin's or for Bethesda, Dragon Born or Doom Slayer (the latter of whom is basically deconfirm if that interview is anything to go by). Though if the rumors of Halo on Switch are true, I can see Nintendo at the very least had suggested Master Chief to Sakurai.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Then, Master Chief is next bet because they already worked with Microsoft for Banjo. It's easier to work with the same western company than new western company. And, Microsoft is already willing to put Chief into Smash since official Halo Twitter account showed that gif. The account is run by a guy, but he still had to get approval from higher up within Microsoft.

The people that control Halo are not the same people that control Banjo. Just because it's easy for one does not make it easy for the other. We've seen this already in Smash. Sonic team is far more peculiar about Sonic than the Bayonetta team is about Bayonetta. That's why Sonic's colors suck and Bayonetta's are great. It's also why Cloud's everything pales in comparison to DQ's treatment (among other things since it's a lot more complicated than that).

 

[Lionfranky]

The people that control Halo are not the same people that control Banjo. Just because it's easy for one does not make it easy for the other. We've seen this already in Smash. Sonic team is far more peculiar about Sonic than the Bayonetta team is about Bayonetta. That's why Sonic's colors suck and Bayonetta
s are great. It's also why Cloud's everything pales in comparison to DQ's treatment (among other things since it's a lot more complicated than that).

True, but the way Phil Spencer seemed eager toward Banjo's inclusion may translate to Chief's inclusion. And that official Halo tweet most likely represents 343i's stance.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So there's rumors that Lara was leaked for Brawlhalla.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78423904

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't know if they would put Halo on the Switch without Nintendo putting some of their own games on the XBox.

 

[perfectchaos83]

So there's rumors that Lara was leaked for Brawlhalla.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78423904

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

I'd argue people don't seem to understand the argument here. From a marketing standpoint, it means that there's competition. Brawlhalla and Smash are inherently similar games, which technically puts them in competition with one another. From Nintendo's pov, Lara in smash loses some impact because there's already a cheaper alternative to play as Lara in a similar game. It's far less to do with being a cross over fighting game and more to do with the inherent competition therein.

I don't know if they would put Halo on the Switch without Nintendo putting some of their own games on the XBox.

I doubt it because Xbox already said they were done porting their games to other systems.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'd argue people don't seem to understand the argument here. From a marketing standpoint, it means that there's competition. Brawlhalla and Smash are inherently similar games, which technically puts them in competition with one another. From Nintendo's pov, Lara in smash loses some impact because there's already a cheaper alternative to play as Lara in a similar game. It's far less to do with being a cross over fighting game and more to do with the inherent competition therein.



I doubt it because Xbox already said they were done porting their games to other systems.

By that logic, both Heihachi and Dante are out because they were in PSASBR.

 

[perfectchaos83]

By that logic, both Heihachi and Dante are out because they were in PSASBR.

PSABR is a defunct game from last Gen. It's not competition anymore. It's like saying Circuit City is still competition for Best Buy.

 

[Kokiden]

So there's rumors that Lara was leaked for Brawlhalla.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78423904

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

I am baffled by the dumb logic some people are using in that thread.

The heck does being in one game, got to do with another?

Both games provide different experiences.

It's like saying no need to play Crash Racing because Mario Kart exists. Same concept but it's different enough to matter.

 

[Deleted member]

So there's rumors that Lara was leaked for Brawlhalla.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78423904

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

Rayman was in Brawlhalla but appeared as a Spirit, so even if they made other appearances, they can still appear in Smash...one way or another.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

By that logic, both Heihachi and Dante are out because they were in PSASBR.

Now I don't believe in that argument for deconfirm. But PSASBR is deader then Smash Bros Brawl, it is far from a valid argument especially since Sony has seemingly no plans to ever to revisit it and the fact its online servers have been shut down and there is no way to play it on modern hardware.

 

[Will]

I'm confident in the possibility of a western character, much like anyone else. I just know all of my money is on Travis happening sometime hopefully within it.

 

[wynn728]

That's because Japan is an island that's at least one fourth the size of the US. Less distance will obviously means better connections, it has nothing to do with Japanese companies having a homefield preference.


The characters chosen for Smash have nothing to do with Nintendo or anybody preferring Japanese characters over western ones. If actuality, it has more to do with the fact that the majority of the most iconic video game characters just so happen created and owned by Japanese companies: (Capcom, Japanese), (SEGA, Japanese), (Konami, Japanese), (SquareEnix, Japanese), almost all of the goddamn Nintendo-owned characters.

But besides that, how can you unironically say that the 6 characters we'll be getting are going to be entirely catered towards Japanese audiences? Have you seriously forgotten that, in this game alone, we've gotten four characters that were either created by western developers () or were included to cater to the western fanbase? ('s DQ8 skin)
Wynn, why do you do this?

Are we just going to forget how Sakurai states that he want to use Smash Bros to promote Japanese Games? Sakurai chose the characters to help make Japanese games be successful throughout the world. Which is a reason why western made characters have been either Mii Costumes (Assassin's Creed, Cuphead), Spirits (Ray-Man), or Assist Trophy (Shovel Knight).

Now when I say "catered towards Japanese audience" that doesn't mean it will only be focus on them (for the most part). In Japan they wanted K. Rool and Banjo as well, so not only did it cater to western audience it also catered to Japanese audience as well. And that's going to be the key thing, out of the six DLC character they're not going to be characters that the Japanese audience don't know about/don't care for. They don't care for Doom over there, so Doomguy is going to be a Mii Costume at best. Mortal Kombat for the most part isn't sold in Japan, so we're not going to get a Mortal Kombat character ever in Smash Bros. The only time they're going to put a character in that doesn't cater at all to the Japanese audience would be in the base game (like Ridley and Little Mac) so they don't have to sell those types of characters as DLC. So just like with all the characters in Vol 1 if they have a presence with the Japanese audience then they're most likely to be in Vol 2, if they don't interest the Japanese audience at all then they're not getting in.

It's going to be super rare to get another western made character, especially since Sakurai prefers to work with Japanese Studios since it's easier and there isn't a language barrier. The only western studio that has a chance of getting another western character in is Microsoft. Even then it still doesn't seem likely.

 

[Will]

Are we just going to forget how Sakurai states that he want to use Smash Bros to promote Japanese Games?

Are we just going to forget that Nintendo chose the characters?

 

[wynn728]

Are we just going to forget that Nintendo chose the characters?

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai has to approve of the characters Nintendo chose and can veto them?

 

[Will]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai has to approve of the characters Nintendo chose and can veto them?

Vetoes can be appealed.

 

[Deleted member]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai has to approve of the characters Nintendo chose and can veto them?

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai mentioned that he has yet to veto a character

 

[Will]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai mentioned that he has yet to veto a character

Funny how vetos are mentioned but we act like Byleth wasn't worth a veto.

 

[wynn728]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai mentioned that he has yet to veto a character

He ain't ever going to admit that. That would be a nightmare to handle. Think about it.

Funny how vetos are mentioned but we act like Byleth wasn't worth a veto.

That's because Sakurai loves Fire Emblem, of course he ain't going to veto Byleth.

 

[Kokiden]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai mentioned that he has yet to veto a character

Not trying to start something here, but didn't he kinda veto Heihachi?

Or was that something else entirely? I honestly don't know what happened with that. All I heard was he was close to getting chosen or something, but Sakurai said something about his moves being hard to translate into Smash?

 

[N3ON]

I'd argue people don't seem to understand the argument here. From a marketing standpoint, it means that there's competition. Brawlhalla and Smash are inherently similar games, which technically puts them in competition with one another. From Nintendo's pov, Lara in smash loses some impact because there's already a cheaper alternative to play as Lara in a similar game. It's far less to do with being a cross over fighting game and more to do with the inherent competition therein.

From a marketing perspective, I can't imagine Brawlhalla is seen as genuine competition. Because there is no competition, Smash is not struggling to maintain the mindshare it boasts. Smash has such a dominance over its niche that no inclusion is going to be truly impeded financially by a prior inclusion in any other title of the same ilk.

I doubt it because Xbox already said they were done porting their games to other systems.

I wouldn't believe them if I were you.

 

[Deleted member]

Not trying to start something here, but didn't he kinda veto Heihachi?

Or was that something else entirely? I honestly don't know what happened with that. All I heard was he was close to getting chosen or something, but Sakurai said something about his moves being hard to translate into Smash?

This was during Smash 4, when Heihachi was added as a Mii Costume.

 

[N3ON]

That's because Sakurai loves Fire Emblem, of course he ain't going to veto Byleth.

He just said he thought there were too many FE characters and that Byleth wasn't even the one he wanted if there was to be another.

Even last time he said Corrin wasn't his idea either and intimated his concerns on the volume of FE characters.

These inclusions are clearly at the behest of other parties.

 

[Kokiden]

This was during Smash 4, when Heihachi was added as a Mii Costume.

Yeah I wasn't around. Paid zero attention to smash then.

 

[Will]

He ain't ever going to admit that. That would be a nightmare to handle. Think about it.

That's one hell of a flawed argument by assuming what Sakurai will do or won't do like you know the guy. If Sakurai would say that he could veto anything, why would he withdraw any account of doing so? It's likely that he accepts them without radical rejection.

 

[Deleted member]

Are we also going to forget that Sakurai has to approve of the characters Nintendo chose and can veto them?

Pretty much it's because we don't have an idea of who they picked for this season.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So there's rumors that Lara was leaked for Brawlhalla.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78423904

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

I think people are seeing it similarly to the Rayman case in Brawlhalla, but there's a little bit more context behind that one. I don't think it's a disconfirmation, personally.

 

[GoodGrief741]

A Nintendo Direct has to happen next week or Zippo's credibility will vanish (And starving Nintendo fans will eat themselves).

Are people still calling the Knight "Hollow Knight"? Wake me up when everyone starts calling Young Zelda and Dark Metroid by their correct names.

Lmao because a nameless character from an indie game is a good comparison to Link and Samus?

Still two things stops Scorpion from possibility getting in.

Mortal Kombat not being localized in Japan.

Lacks popularity there.

Any possible counters to those?

My counter is that Mortal Kombat is such a legendary series that Japan's feelings on it shouldn't matter. There are other, just as legendary series that do have the bonus of being popular there so I won't be surprised if MK gets passed over, but if Sakurai hasn't even considered it then he's not doing his job of 'making the ultimate gaming crossover' properly.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think if we do end up getting a western character in this pass it'll probably just be one. (maybe two at a stretch) At the very least I wouldn't expect some massive flood of western characters.

I feel like Rayman is in the best position right now. (and maybe Crash Bandicoot as well)

 

[Evil Trapezium]

This has absolutely nothing to do with DMC, but it just struck me how many awesome anniversaries we have going on this year. Three of my all-time favorites - Majora's Mask, Paper Mario, and Pokemon Gold/Silver - all turn 20 this year! Time to buy a cake!

Red Dead Redemption turns 10, both God of War and Resident Evil 4 are turning 15, The Sims and Pro Skater 2 are each turning 20, Chrono Trigger is turning 25, Super Mario World is turning 30, and of course Pac-Man is finally over the hill.

This is a killer year for video game anniversaries. Here's hoping most (if not all) of these great titles are celebrated with Smash content!

Hey hey hey! How can you talk about anniversaries without letting me say...

TimeSplitters turns 20 this year!

YEAH! TIME TO SPLIT!

 

[Dinoman96]

I just don't see how Rayman is "in the best position".

I just don't see them adding a guest character whose vast majority of games never came out in Japan, and the ones that did sold very poorly.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hey hey hey! How can you talk about anniversaries without letting me say...

TimeSplitters turns 20 this year!

YEAH! TIME TO SPLIT!
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Someday, we'll get TimeSplitters 4. Someday...

 

[Deleted member]

Hey hey hey! How can you talk about anniversaries without letting me say...

TimeSplitters turns 20 this year!

YEAH! TIME TO SPLIT!
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Yay.

Just hope that Sakurai or Nintendo has that swift stroke of luck to actually put him in.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Someday, we'll get TimeSplitters 4. Someday...

This is all I've got to hold on for now.

If you are reading this, you're probably looking for news about #TimeSplitters. I don't have any just yet. Watch this space. But not too frequently or you'll go mad. Also, I don't use Twitter much.

— Steve Ellis (@Steve51773) August 14, 2019

But it's so vague that it could be anything... even Cortez for Super Smash Bros Ultimate!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Mortal Kombat could get a character yeah. I'm not even against it. I think fighting game characters make the most sense for a big fighting game crossover like Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

This is all I've got to hold on for now.

If you are reading this, you're probably looking for news about #TimeSplitters. I don't have any just yet. Watch this space. But not too frequently or you'll go mad. Also, I don't use Twitter much.

— Steve Ellis (@Steve51773) August 14, 2019

But it's so vague that it could be anything... even Cortez for Super Smash Bros Ultimate!

That...isn't quite reliable for you as of the moment. I mean, it could just be a new game or anything.

 

[Deleted member]

That didn't stop Snake. We got Snake and NOT Bomberman. Something to think about.

This is Castlevania erasure and I wont stand for it.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Already there's people beliving she's disconfirmed because characters apparantly can only be in one crossover fighting game.

Weren’t people discrediting Terry and saying it couldn’t be him during the SNK leak because he’s a guest in like EX Layer or something? (I don’t know for sure, I don’t play real fighting games)... You’d think people would learn if so

*snip*

Off topic, but I like your pfp

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Funny how vetos are mentioned but we act like Byleth wasn't worth a veto.

Well could you honestly say he wouldn't work as a fighter? Those are the only (stated) grounds for refusal.

 

[Cadillac]

It really pains me when my two most wanted characters are less likely to get in.