Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

-Tokyo Mirage is pretty much the newest FE... I honestly would not be suprised. I see an easy echo fighter...

I would unironicly LOVE Itsuki in smash

 

[Slick Guy]

if they did alternate costumes i think i would be happy with just chrom's alternate costume.

Wouldn't mind a couple of songs... oh and a stage with monsters cheering would be fun too...

But i'm sorry.. I really didn't enjoy Itsuki T.T,

- I've always loved the idea of them adding more Outfits for characters. Joker could get his Dancing outfit, Banjo can have the really blocky NnB look... I really wish new Outfits were a thing.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

My dude, I understand the salt, but that be blatantly wrong. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Lucina at all, that is just wrong (though she is bland in my opinion).

That's all I'm SAYING, though. They're all bland. I just threw the self-insert part because 1.) half of them ARE self-insert characters, and 2.) if they aren't, they don't have an excuse to be so bland. I just wanted to prevent someone from saying "Yeah, he's bland, but it's only because he's supposed to represent the player" as it that's supposed to change my mind about anything.

 

[Sari]

How are you people still around?
Maybe Sakurai should have made an Elma mii costume the bonus for season 2 to really drive home how little he cares about Xenoblade.

He praised Xenoblade 2 as a considerable achievement and said we most likely would've gotten a character from the game had it not been for bad timing. Doesn't sound like someone who don't care about Xenoblade to me.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Sure, here's my prediction.

So Waluigi was Exodia all alo-

Exodia looks a lot different than I remember

****, Rie, ninja'd me.

For next season: I'll add to my SE/Namco/Capcom prediction that I'll be really surprised if none of the trifecta of Dante, Sora and Travis make it in for Ultimate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I really think these three are a matter of when, not if.

 

[Schnee117]

Maybe we should ignore the person who's all but admitted to arguing in bad faith.

 

[Deleted member]

With Sans and Cuphead being the only 2 Indie Mii Costumes to come with a music track, what other Indie game characters would you love to see get the same treatment next?

It's probably obvious that Hollow Knight will eventually get the same Mii Costume treatment at some point, but I would be the happiest boy if we get Jacket from Hotline Miami as a Mii Costume with Hydrogen as the additional soundtrack.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

How many more Fire Emblem characters would there have to be in order for us to collectively agree that enough is enough?

10?

15?

Or will FE fans not be happy until every single FE character to ever exist becomes playable in Smash?

If that's the case, will it still be felonious to dislike FE characters? Would that still be toxic?

 

[SNEKeater]

- I feel for the Dante fans, but I'll be honest. The thought of Dante being in is horrifying. Smash 4 Bayo PTSD is strong. Same reason why I wouldn't want to see Astral Chain reps. Even 2B is scary.

idk Ultimate so far is pretty well balanced as far as I know so I don't know why Dante would break the game or something
yeah he has a LOT of weapons and tools but I'm completely sure Sakurai would make a friendly version of Dante, at best he would get 1-2 weapons besides his sword and the guns. Also I doubt Dante would come with style switching.
Probably he would have some type of meter, Devil Trigger I guess, and while he maybe would be a complex character in comparison to most of the roster, I don't think Sakurai would give him all the crazy **** he can do. That would be a ton of work for him lmao

 

[Sari]

With Sans and Cuphead being the only 2 Indie Mii Costumes to come with a music track, what other Indie game characters would you love to see get the same treatment next?

If he can't become playable I'd be totally down for a Quote from Cave Story Mii Gunner costume.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The thing is, Smash Ultimate has completely failed to do any of that. Fine tuning the gamefeel? Have you even played this game? It feels substantially worse than 4 and there is a horrible "hold buffer" system in place in a misguided attempt to make short hop aerials easier for people, the cost of which is making the game feel much laggier and worse than the last game. The game only performs actions on the first actionable frame if you hold the inputs down, at which point it will attempt to do them all at once, resulting in consistent, repeated incidents of inputting the wrong attack, or getting NO attack at all where you wanted one. The netcode is also FAR AND AWAY much worse than SSB4's, which I didn't think was possible, made all the more insulting by the fact that you have to pay for it.

Smash Ultimate hasn't fine tuned or refined anything, if anything it's taken huge leaps backwards, which may or may not be a result of them taking a quantity-over-quality approach with the content, and serves as another argument for finally remaking the game.

Characters are the most important part of the game? I disagree. Yes, they are important, but what's more important is having good controls, good online, and nuanced gameplay with the potential for depth. It's lacking in all these areas.

I disagree with your first point. The game feels like butter to me. I've never had issues with buffering or anything. It's nothing more than a difference of opinion/experiance though so I'll just move on.

The net code thing is a very valid argument, and since it seems to apply to all of Nintendo's online games I wouldn't be surprised if they just used the same net code for each one. I can't afford Nintendo's online service so I wouldn't know how bad it is, but I've heard the complaints and Nintendo games as a whole need to step up their game in that aspect.

Super Smash Bros Ultimate has had a great deal of fine tuning. Some things are tangible like the multi-directional air dash, other things operate in a more low key fashion like the amazing sound design (except for Toon Link's hit sound effects).

How are you people still around?
Maybe Sakurai should have made an Elma mii costume the bonus for season 2 to really drive home how little he cares about Xenoblade.

Enough with the doom and gloom. Just because Rex wasn't chosen as the sixth DLC character doesn't mean that Sakurai hates the Xeno series. Elma may not be particularly likely (not that we have any information to suggest anyone is at the moment) but her chances aren't through the floor.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why do we keep arguing if Dante would be as broken as Bayo? We've already proven Bayo's only broken in Smash 4 because they chose to go straight to Ultimate, forcing them to abandon Smash 4 alongside Witch Time as a mechanic

 

[MooMew64]

Please tell me you didn't just call Marth, Ike, Chrom, and Lucina "bland blank-slate self-inserts" just because they have blue hair.

B-but Fire Emblem bad. I've never played it, but I assure you, I'm an expert that can with 100% accuracy critique and judge that it is indeed "stinky bad" 'cause it stole [INSERT MY FAVORITE CHARACTER HERE]'s spot.

Ahhh, this is bringing back memories of 2016. Good times.

 

[Garteam]

Man if there was ever evidence of how Byleth's reveal went down, it's this:

That group flips out over ANYTHING, and they are just silent there...

The Mii costumes got bigger reactions.

I know this is really far back, but that's also a pretty small group relative to previous ones. The reveal would've taken at 9 am in New York, a time when most people (on a Thursday) are at school or work.

 

[NintenZ]

Sakurai isn't even coming up with the DLC choices, Nintendo is and they're the ones who are deciding what they consider marketable enough for DLC while Sakurai just comes up with how he can implement them.

It's why I consider a Xenoblade character likely to begin with as DLC, another character I did think about that's marketable is Eevee but honestly that seems to be more of TPC's thing they're pushing rather than Nintendo themselves so I don't know if they'd go for it.

 

[osby]

Bayo is mid tier at best in Ultimate so I have no idea why people think Dante would break the game if he's like her.

It's like arguing a new Kirby character would be top tier because Brawl.

 

[Slick Guy]

idk Ultimate so far is pretty well balanced as far as I know so I don't know why Dante would break the game or something
yeah he has a LOT of weapons and tools but I'm completely sure Sakurai would make a friendly version of Dante, at best he would get 1-2 weapons besides his sword and the guns. Also I doubt Dante would come with style switching.
Probably he would have some type of meter, Devil Trigger I guess, and while he maybe would be a complex character in comparison to most of the roster, I don't think Sakurai would give him all the crazy **** he can do. That would be a ton of work for him lmao

-Can't argue that. I trust that Sakurai can make a good balanced and fun moveset for Dante. The more I think about it, the more I can see that Dante would make a good fit. I could also see Nero being a good fit and having some fun unique mechanics

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why do we keep arguing if Dante would be as broken as Bayo? We've already proven Bayo's only broken in Smash 4 because they chose to go straight to Ultimate, forcing them to abandon Smash 4 alongside Witch Time as a mechanic

But...but you don't understand. He'd have actual combos.
EDIT: And a Cloud sized sword! It'd be the both of two evils!

If he can't become playable I'd be totally down for a Quote from Cave Story Mii Gunner costume.

Heck yeah! If I had extra money I'd buy it for the Main Theme alone.

Sakurai isn't even coming up with the DLC choices, Nintendo is and they're the ones who are deciding what they consider marketable enough for DLC while Sakurai just comes up with how he can implement them.

It's why I consider a Xenoblade character likely to begin with as DLC, another character I did think about that's marketable is Eevee but honestly that seems to be more of TPC's thing they're pushing rather than Nintendo themselves so I don't know if they'd go for it.

It's also a Poké Ball Pokémon. Stranger things have happened but I don't think they'd go with it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Then that's all I needed to know to see you have no idea what you're talking about. Bye bye.

Why the heck do we have Hat Ken as DLC, though? Dang it Sakurai, we already have too many blond, muscular, pale-skinned guys in this game!

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Why the heck do we have Hat Ken as DLC, though? Dang it Sakurai, we already have too many blond, muscular, pale-skinned guys in this game!

You're joking, but you're not wrong. Could've done without Hat Ken.

Simon isn't pale, though. Not even his icon is pale.

 

[I.D.]

Enough with the doom and gloom. Just because Rex wasn't chosen as the sixth DLC character doesn't mean that Sakurai hates the Xeno series. Elma may not be particularly likely (not that we have any information to suggest anyone is at the moment) but her chances aren't through the floor.

Sakurai didn't include a single song from xenoblade x and couldn't even be bothered to label the game correctly. You had several people ragequitting in the Elma thread because they instantly understood the meaning of byleth's inclusion.
It's not nice to give people false hope you know.

 

[Deleted member]

Or will FE fans not be happy until every single FE character to ever exist becomes playable in Smash?

you're right actually! smash is incomplete until we add draug

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why the heck do we have Hat Ken as DLC, though? Dang it Sakurai, we already have too many blond, muscular, pale-skinned guys in this game!

This is bull**** Cloud is a twink, not muscular

 

[Garteam]

How many more Fire Emblem characters would there have to be in order for us to collectively agree that enough is enough?

10?

15?

Or will FE fans not be happy until every single FE character to ever exist becomes playable in Smash?

If that's the case, will it still be felonious to dislike FE characters? Would that still be toxic?

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not entirely sure if this is bait (and I apologize if it's not), but I'm gonna try and answer your questions honestly.

Put simply, we'll have enough Fire Emblem characters when Sakurai's not able to make fun and interesting movesets anymore. That really goes for any franchise. Once there's some sign that Sakurai has exhausted the moveset potential of characters from that franchise, then there will be enough characters.

 

[kirbsmash]

You're joking, but you're not wrong. Could've done without Hat Ken.

Please....don't diss Terry.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Put simply, we'll have enough Fire Emblem characters when Sakurai's not able to make fun and interesting movesets anymore.

So like, three or four characters ago.

The fact that there's so many FE echoes should tell you something, I think.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

B-but Fire Emblem bad. I've never played it, but I assure you, I'm an expert that can with 100% accuracy critique and judge that it is indeed "stinky bad" 'cause it stole [INSERT MY FAVORITE CHARACTER HERE]'s spot.

Ahhh, this is bringing back memories of 2016. Good times.

I forgot I made this and it fits so well now

 

[osby]

How many more Fire Emblem characters would there have to be in order for us to collectively agree that enough is enough?

10?

15?

Or will FE fans not be happy until every single FE character to ever exist becomes playable in Smash?

If that's the case, will it still be felonious to dislike FE characters? Would that still be toxic?

We'll have enough FE characters when people stop complaining about them.

So like, three or four characters ago.

The fact that there's so many FE echoes should tell you something, I think.

Congrats, thanks to you, our next newcomer is Gatekeeper.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why the heck do we have Hat Ken as DLC, though? Dang it Sakurai, we already have too many blond, muscular, pale-skinned guys in this game!

Why's Cloud here? His arms are freaking noodles!

Sakurai didn't include a single song from xenoblade x and couldn't even be bothered to label the game correctly. You had several people ragequitting in the Elma thread because they instantly understood the meaning of byleth's inclusion.
It's not nice to give people false hope you know.

Byleth's inclusion is not an attack against Xenoblade Chronicles fans. The lack of Xenoblade Chronicles X music is sad, but it's not exactly evidence that we won't get anything from it later. It's not false hope. It's the truth. We know nothing.

you're right actually! smash is incomplete until we add draug

You joke but Caeda and Tiki would be pretty cool.

The fact that there's so many FE echoes should tell you something, I think.

That most Fire Emblem characters were last minute/quick and easy additions?

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

B-but Fire Emblem bad. I've never played it, but I assure you, I'm an expert that can with 100% accuracy critique and judge that it is indeed "stinky bad" 'cause it stole [INSERT MY FAVORITE CHARACTER HERE]'s spot.

Just another toxic FE fanboy.

I have played Awakening, so I'm familiar with generic Chrom and generic Lucina, and I'm friends are FE fans, who have all told me how terrible Corrin and Roy and Marth and Robin are. The FE characters we have are extremely generic. I don't care if you won't accept this.

That most Fire Emblem characters were last minute/quick and easy additions?

That shouldn't be in the game because of that? Yes.

 

[Slick Guy]

We'll have enough FE characters when people stop complaining about them.



Congrats, thanks to you, our next newcomer is Gatekeeper.

-While you're joking that Gatekeeper could have different outfits for other guards like the Keaton Mask guy from OoT.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I jumbled together my thoughts regarding speculation for season 2 and here's what I have to say.

• With the Altair and Rabbids mii costumes it's safe to write off Ubisoft as a potential contender for Smash DLC. Unless Rayman gets promoted in which then disregard this point I'm dumb.
• Cuphead proves Banjo wasn't a one and done deal with Microsoft and it's possible we might get Steve or Master Chief down the line.
• No Bandai Namco rep in the fighters pass is something I expected to happen but I do expect they'll get a character in FP2, that Sakurai comment about Pac-Man being the only Bandai Namco rep back during Terry's presentation has me curious.
• If we get a Capcom character it's a three way between Dante, Phoenix Wright, and Monster Hunter.
• First parties have always been on the table, this tidbit will never change for DLC.
• I believe a promotion will happen, whether it's an assist trophy or a spirit. However, for those who got a mii costume or a spirit during the DLC cycle, their chances are less likely.
• Bethesda's talks with Nintendo for Smash likely meant nothing in the end and didn't result in anything. However, this doesn't prevent a character from being in season 2. The fan demand for Doomguy reached it's peak during this DLC cycle and I'm sure Nintendo took notice of that, whether that results in a playable character is something we'll have to wait and see.

And that's about it. This is going to be a slow and painful speculation cycle. We're looking at three characters per year and the deadline this time is in December 2021. If this has to do with the fact that Nintendo is lowering the budget of the development team then that sucks. I wonder if the budget being lowered has also impacted the DLC selections.

 

[NintenZ]

It's also a Poké Ball Pokémon. Stranger things have happened but I don't think they'd go with it.

That as well.

I talked about it with a friend of mine and the only ones we came up with first-party-wise that Nintendo has been marketing or potentially plan on marketing are as follows:
Gooigi (Echo Fighter material tbh)
Sylux (Potentially for Prime 4 if it comes out before 2021)
Fiora (Already mentioned but for Definitive Edition and general Xeno series marketing)
Octoling (Echo Fighter material as well)
Euden (Dragalia Lost has done well and it also doesn't suffer from being too new of an IP like Astral Chain did)

So yeah not really a huge list, we also don't see a Zelda character but who really knows what'll happen?

 

[Garteam]

So like, three or four characters ago.

The fact that there's so many FE echoes should tell you something, I think.

Assuming you're not counting the echoes (seeing how they really don't take development time), then you're essentially saying we should've stopped at Ike or Robin. I think Corrin's moveset mixing swordplay and Byleth's weapon master angle easily justify their inclusion.

 

[Slick Guy]

I jumbled together my thoughts regarding speculation for season 2 and here's what I have to say.

• With the Altair and Rabbids mii costumes it's safe to write off Ubisoft as a potential contender for Smash DLC.
• Cuphead proves Banjo wasn't a one and done deal with Microsoft and it's possible we might get Steve or Master Chief down the line.
• No Bandai Namco rep in the fighters pass is something I expected to happen but I do expect they'll get a character in FP2, that Sakurai comment about Pac-Man being the only Bandai Namco rep back during Terry's presentation has me curious.
• If we get a Capcom character it's a three way between Dante, Phoenix Wright, and Monster Hunter.
• First parties have always been on the table, this tidbit will never change for DLC.
• I believe a promotion will happen, whether it's an assist trophy or a spirit. However, for those who got a mii costume or a spirit during the DLC cycle, their chances are less likely.
• Bethesda's talks with Nintendo for Smash likely meant nothing in the end and didn't result in anything. However, this doesn't prevent a character from being in season 2. The fan demand for Doomguy reached it's peak during this DLC cycle and I'm sure Nintendo took notice of that, whether that results in a playable character is something we'll have to wait and see.

And that's about it. This is going to be a slow and painful speculation cycle. We're looking at three characters per year and the deadline this time is in December 2021. If this has to do with the fact that Nintendo is lowering the budget of the development team then that sucks. I wonder if the budget being lowered has also impacted the DLC selections.

-I can feel an echo getting thrown into the 6 mix.

-If Altair and Rabbids write off Ubi, wouldn't the new Megamen hit Capcom's likeliness?

 

[NintenZ]

That as well.

I talked about it with a friend of mine and the only ones we came up with first-party-wise that Nintendo has been marketing or potentially plan on marketing are as follows:
Gooigi (Echo Fighter material tbh)
Sylux (Potentially for Prime 4 if it comes out before 2021)
Fiora (Already mentioned but for Definitive Edition and general Xeno series marketing)
Octoling (Echo Fighter material as well)
Euden (Dragalia Lost has done well and it also doesn't suffer from being too new of an IP like Astral Chain did)

So yeah not really a huge list, we also don't see a Zelda character but who really knows what'll happen?

Oh right, I did bring up Dixie Kong with him but we decided against it as Nintendo isn't really doing much with the DK series atm, I'd love to see a tag-team with her and Kiddy personally but she doesn't seem super relevant or in the public eye and a new DK game hasn't been announced as in development so I don't think she's part of the pass.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Simon isn't pale, though. Not even his icon is pale.

Spoiler

He's only slightly more darker skinned than Richter, though.

Why's Cloud here? His arms are freaking noodles!

Spoiler

I don't know, he's pretty muscular.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I jumbled together my thoughts regarding speculation for season 2 and here's what I have to say.

• With the Altair and Rabbids mii costumes it's safe to write off Ubisoft as a potential contender for Smash DLC. Unless Rayman gets promoted in which then disregard this point I'm dumb.
• Cuphead proves Banjo wasn't a one and done deal with Microsoft and it's possible we might get Steve or Master Chief down the line.
• No Bandai Namco rep in the fighters pass is something I expected to happen but I do expect they'll get a character in FP2, that Sakurai comment about Pac-Man being the only Bandai Namco rep back during Terry's presentation has me curious.
• If we get a Capcom character it's a three way between Dante, Phoenix Wright, and Monster Hunter.
• First parties have always been on the table, this tidbit will never change for DLC.
• I believe a promotion will happen, whether it's an assist trophy or a spirit. However, for those who got a mii costume or a spirit during the DLC cycle, their chances are less likely.
• Bethesda's talks with Nintendo for Smash likely meant nothing in the end and didn't result in anything. However, this doesn't prevent a character from being in season 2. The fan demand for Doomguy reached it's peak during this DLC cycle and I'm sure Nintendo took notice of that, whether that results in a playable character is something we'll have to wait and see.

And that's about it. This is going to be a slow and painful speculation cycle. We're looking at three characters per year and the deadline this time is in December 2021. If this has to do with the fact that Nintendo is lowering the budget of the development team then that sucks. I wonder if the budget being lowered has also impacted the DLC selections.

I agree with most of this, but I don't think all first parties are on the table. I think at best we might get one base roster Spirit promotion and one "shiny new game" character, but the bulk of season 2 is also looking to be mostly third party imo.

Ah, also, I'll add that there's a chance we might get one or two more western reps - but like the argument above, the bulk of it will probably still be japanese characters.

 

[Slick Guy]

Oh right, I did bring up Dixie Kong with him but we decided against it as Nintendo isn't really doing much with the DK series atm, I'd love to see a tag-team with her and Kiddy personally but she doesn't seem super relevant or in the public eye and a new DK game hasn't been announced as in development so I don't think she's part of the pass.

- I feel like Banjo was the last Rare/DK rep. They gave him that standing ovation from the others and that feels like they still treat him like family.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Yo um

is there a gif of Cap Falcon Falcon punching Byleths Aymr, getting super armored then murdered?