Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GoodGrief741]

We literally have a near infinite amount of options.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Ben Holt]

Fixed that for you.

That was the point of the post. To show KOS-MOS's special position from literally everyone else.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Fixed that for you.

Indeed. There's characters that aren't spirits or at's(and Mii costumes) as well that could be possible among current franchises(Sylux, Porky, to name two).

It could be from a new Nintendo IP as is that wasn't among any Spirit downloads.

It could be a 3rd party completely unmentioned by Verge and Sabi.

Etc.

The door never was closed as is. It's fair to guess that any current spirits and at's aren't on the table, but taking those away, and the fact we know Leakers get false information too, and the door is pretty open. It's only closed to non-game characters(and it's pretty doubtful they'd get a role like a Mii costume, owned by Nintendo or not, considering Sakurai's more clear policy on keeping it game-specific. Not that it can't change, but it's pretty blatant) honestly.

 

[Ben Holt]

Indeed. There's characters that aren't spirits or at's(and Mii costumes) as well that could be possible among current franchises(Sylux, Porky, to name two).

It could be from a new Nintendo IP as is that wasn't among any Spirit downloads.

Option 3.

It could be a 3rd party completely unmentioned by Verge and Sabi.

If KOS-MOS, Option 1. If not KOS-MOS, Option 4.

and the fact we know Leakers get false information too, and the door is pretty open.

Option 2.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Option 3

If KOS-MOS, Option 1. If not KOS-MOS, Option 4.

Option 2.

Sorry, I can't remember every word you said from a page ago. Just saying "option 1" doesn't really tell me anything. The best I can remember is a misleading statement about how all Nintendo characters are automatically impossible for some silly reason. When that's not actually the case. There's a vague implication by Reggie that they'll be new worlds to Smash, but then that also means unrepresented 1st parties apply as equally as 3rd parties when it comes to franchises. So "Option 1", the one I can slightly remember, isn't really accurate either. Besides that, he's the guy who told us a ton about Echoes, but the only thing that was indefinitely correct is that they hold the same bodyshape. He's a great spokesperson, but he's not exactly the best to go with as a concrete statement maker.

Verge and Sabi were mentioned as characters they disconfirmed, not ones they didn't mention, if I remember that one right too. So, basically, anyone they didn't mention is on the table too. Something you didn't even say.

Your options are not as broad as you're implying they are. I would go with GoodGrief, since he covered it a bit more accurately by not putting up unnecessary and inaccurate barriers at times.

 

[Calane]

**** Arle. She sucks.
But Ryu and KOS-MOS are in my list, so I approve.
Seriously. Arle is a ****ing avatar for a puzzle game. Give us ANYONE else.

*People speculating a Pokémon as FP5*

Ok! Ok! Arle, then!

Arle was the protagonist of an old dungeon-crawler RPG series called Madou Monogatari, which Puyo Puyo was originally a spin-off of. She's actually a mage, and has tons of spells to work with.

I find Arle, and the world of her series (both of them), to actually be really interesting. Sure, not everyone's gonna feel the same, but there's no reason to come off as such a jerk about it.

Arle actually has a lot of history as a character, and shouldn't be dismissed as a "****ing avatar for a puzzle game". It's fine if you don't like her, but at least have an informed reason for disliking a character instead of just...disliking them because you want to (which is asking a lot from Smash fans, I know).

 

[Deleted member]

Arle was the protagonist of an old dungeon-crawler RPG series called Madou Monogatari, which Puyo Puyo was originally a spin-off of. She's actually a mage, and has tons of spells to work with.

I find Arle, and the world of her series (both of them), to actually be really interesting. Sure, not everyone's gonna feel the same, but there's no reason to come off as such a jerk about it.

Arle actually has a lot of history as a character, and shouldn't be dismissed as a "****ing avatar for a puzzle game". It's fine if you don't like her, but at least have an informed reason for disliking a character instead of just...disliking them because you want to (which is asking a lot from Smash fans, I know).

He basically doesn't find the appeal interesting. He's mostly focused on bigger characters. Then again, Arle has the history, but he's eyeing for people with more merit.

I'm used to him though.

 

[Calane]

He basically doesn't find the appeal interesting. He's mostly focused on bigger characters. Then again, Arle has the history, but he's eyeing for people with more merit.

I'm used to him though.

...Looking at characters with more "merit" means "big and popular in the west", I presume? Because Arle actually has tons of merit.

 

[Ben Holt]

...Looking at characters with more "merit" means "big and popular in the west", I assume? Because Arle actually has tons of merit.

Japan is one region. "The West" includes all of Europe, America, and culturally, Australia.
So it's pretty unfair to equate Japan and "The West".

 

[Deleted member]

He's mostly focused on bigger characters...he's eyeing for people with more merit.

Pretty sure it's just bias. He supports KOSMOS, which is far from someone with merit these days.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Still looking forward to our Dragonborn FP5!

 

[Ben Holt]

Pretty sure it's just bias. He supports KOSMOS, which is far from someone with merit these days.

I support any character. I'm satisfied with Mario, Sonic, Cloud, Mega Man, Pac-Man, and Banjo.
But my most wanted characters are all worldwide picks, with the exception of Spyro and Doom Slayer.

I've posted my top 10 plenty of times. (After KOS-MOS, this fills all 16 World of Light Dummy slots.)
Crash, Geno, Doom Slayer, Spyro, Heihachi, Lloyd, Master Chief, Ryu Hayabusa, Lara Croft, and Dante.

 

[Calane]

Japan is one region. "The West" includes all of Europe, America, and culturally, Australia.
So it's pretty unfair to equate Japan and "The West".

This really just sounds like the same tired arguments I heard about Dragon Quest all the time.

Arle/Puyo Puyo have a pretty significant legacy regardless of where it's most popular. I personally think that's enough to warrant an inclusion.

 

[Deleted member]

I support any character.

**** Arle. She sucks.
Seriously. Arle is a ****ing avatar for a puzzle game. Give us ANYONE else.

Yeah sure. You tell yourself that.

 

[ZelDan]

Yeah sure. You tell yourself that.

he supports all of characters some of the time!

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah sure. You tell yourself that.

Eh, I'm used to it.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Japan is one region. "The West" includes all of Europe, America, and culturally, Australia.
So it's pretty unfair to equate Japan and "The West".

This is a game made by Japanese developers though, so having a legacy there is obviously going to carry a lot of weight. Generally speaking Japan are also the pioneers of the industry, so it’s not as simple as just saying that there are more of us than them.

 

[Ben Holt]

Yeah sure. You tell yourself that.

I'll still take her over no character at all and enjoy her.
I disliked Terry at first, but I enjoy him nonetheless.
You are misconstruing me not wanting Arle because there are other better choices to me not wanting Arle at all.

 

[SirCamp]

I'll put it this way:
We literally have four options.
1. It's KOS-MOS.
2. It's one of the characters that was deconfirmed by Sabi or Vergeben.
3. It's a Nintendo character / Spirit / Assist Trophy or other viable character that is generally "cut out" from speculation.
4. It's a "literally who?" character.

I feel obliged to point out that Farmer is still a possibility, but I suspect that’ll just be a #4 for you eh? I’d find it hard to believe that the character is a literal who, certainly any more so than say Terry. Which is to say if you don’t pay attention to the genre you don’t know the character. But then that just proves that “literal who’s?” Are very much on the table at this point.

 

[Ben Holt]

I feel obliged to point out that Farmer is still a possibility, but I suspect that’ll just be a #4 for you eh? I’d find it hard to believe that the character is a literal who, certainly any more so than say Terry. Which is to say if you don’t pay attention to the genre you don’t know the character. But then that just proves that “literal who’s?” Are very much on the table at this point.

Harvest Moon?

 

[SirCamp]

Harvest Moon?

Was a quick post on my phone which is annoying, so I was brief. But yes Harvest Moon, or more accurately Story of Seasons.

 

[Mamboo07]

Fighter 5 will be the Octane from Rocket League and that's final!

 

[Deleted member]

Fighter 5 will be the Octane from Rocket League and that's final!

Source?

 

[I.D.]

From my understanding the actual porn was indeed completely optional. Hell, the writer was pissed they were added in and refused to write the sex scenes, they were merely added because corporate said "People want this", like how the people behind the Sonic and CATS movies only made it look like that because some big shot said "Trust me I'm well aware of what ACTUALLY sells"

Completely false. The porn wasn't optional and nobody forced Nasu to add sex scenes. Complete and utter myth fabricated by relatively newer fans of the anime adaptations and other stuff.

It's been true in cases like Tears to Tiara and others, but it was never true with Nasu and Takeuchi. They were fans of and part of the doujin and eroge community long before they decided to make their own. Which they decided to do because they liked eroge and wanted one of their own.

This idea that it was just a ploy to boost sales and they wouldn't actually have made eroge otherwise is a complete fabrication with no real basis for anything.
And the truth is that Type Moon is still selling eroge and advertising it. And have done so around every major Fate project from F/Z to F/GO, as late as the middle of last year where they released this bundle. Of the original 18+ games.

NSFW obviously:
http://typemoon.com/news/2019/RoHjWQ

 

[Mamboo07]

Source?

There are no source, only happy accidents.
(I really want a car in Smash as a fighter.)

 

[Naoyatodo]

**** Arle. She sucks.
But Ryu and KOS-MOS are in my list, so I approve.
Seriously. Arle is a ****ing avatar for a puzzle game. Give us ANYONE else.

*People speculating a Pokémon as FP5*

Ok! Ok! Arle, then!

As if representing a genre and translating its gameplay into a fighting game moveset isn't the most appealing thing about Arle in Smash.

 

[Cosmic77]

I guess there's one benefit to this pass being completely third-party. At this point, I honestly don't care who Sakurai adds. A majority of my most wanted characters are first-party, so whoever comes next probably wasn't meant for me anyway.

If he wants to add Arle or any other character this thread is currently debating, go nuts. I've been more interested in the promise of additional fighters than the pass ever since it was first announced.

 

[Lamperouge]

I don't have high hopes for any of my most wanted being fighter #5, yet I'm still pretty excited nonetheless. The current pass introduced me to Persona 5 and Dragon Quest, both of which I enjoy very much (P5 is one of my favorite games ever and I've already beaten the first three DQ games and currently working my way through XI), so I'm down with the possibility of being exposed to another new franchise that I may end up really taking to.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't have high hopes for any of my most wanted being fighter #5, yet I'm still pretty excited nonetheless. The current pass introduced me to Persona 5 and Dragon Quest, both of which I enjoy very much (P5 is one of my favorite games ever and I've already beaten the first three DQ games and currently working my way through XI), so I'm down with the possibility of being exposed to another new franchise that I may end up really taking to.

I was the total opposite. As soon as I platinumed P5, Joker gets revealed. Then once I platinumed DQ11, Hero was revealed not long after.

Now I am thiiiis close to platinuming Death Stranding. I think it's a sign. Sam's coming.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

**** Arle. She sucks.
But Ryu and KOS-MOS are in my list, so I approve.
Seriously. Arle is a ****ing avatar for a puzzle game. Give us ANYONE else.

*People speculating a Pokémon as FP5*

Ok! Ok! Arle, then!

Isn't Arle a witch who attacks with spells? I know the latest Puyo Puyo has attack animations and I also know she originated from an RPG in which she ripped off Satan's head. Nothing wrong with disliking a character but don't make **** up

 

[Flyboy]

**** Arle. She sucks.
But Ryu and KOS-MOS are in my list, so I approve.
Seriously. Arle is a ****ing avatar for a puzzle game. Give us ANYONE else.

*People speculating a Pokémon as FP5*

Ok! Ok! Arle, then!

Look I know I'm biased because playing Puyo Puyo Tetris and seeing how I wanted Arle in Ultimate is what made me come back to Smashboards but would it kill you to do five seconds of research? Not only is Puyo Puyo a huge legacy series as basically the second biggest puzzle game besides Tetris, it's experiencing a big new wave of popularity thanks to PPT and Puyo Puyo Champions/Puyo Puyo eSports. Arle herself is a mage and uses magical attacks both in the Madou Monogatari and Puyo Puyo series (Madou Monogatari was her home series, a dungeon-crawling title) and the Puyo Puyo games all have a pretty involved story mode with very defined characters including Arle herself. Part of what makes PPT so fun outside of the gameplay is the funny, cute story mode and enjoyable characters introduced during it. Arle herself is also a big request in Japan, but that doesn't mean Puyo Puyo is not popular in the West, again with Puyo Puyo Tetris and Champions really revitalizing the series over there.

I also hate this attitude of "oh it Absolutely Has To Be THESE characters!" you have just because you've convinced yourself of some kind of ridiculous obtuse narrative while simultaneously trying to pretend you're somehow logical and reasonable and that you'd totally be okay with anyone* because you're just so rational!

*provided anyone is from my list of three possibilities and anyone else is a terrible insult how dare they do this to me personally

god you are such an unpleasant individual

 

[kirbsmash]

Mario HAVE to be in Smash anyway, because wel....he's ***** Mickey Mouse for nintendo! I don't even think he needs support,

Anyway, how pissed would people be if we got something like Ganon or Paper Mario?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My only issue with Arle is that it took me a year to realize her name was pronounced similar to Earl and I don't entirely like that

 

[TheYungLink]

Anyway, how pissed would people be if we got something like Ganon or Paper Mario?

Those are my two biggest hopes for Nintendo characters, so I'd be ecstatic beyond measure.

If they were FP5, however, I expect tons of angry responses, yeah. If Nintendo characters happen post pass, I think people would be more open to the idea of their inclusion as long as people get a Fire Emblem: Three Houses character as well. That's the single biggest Nintendo game right now that isn't Pokemon Sword and Shield, and people are rightfully scared that they might miss out despite having a far better reception among fans than Fates did.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Mario HAVE to be in Smash anyway, because wel....he's ***** Mickey Mouse for nintendo! I don't even think he needs support,

Anyway, how pissed would people be if we got something like Ganon or Paper Mario?

Ganon would be a perfect compromise to the argument about whether Ganondorf's fine as he is or if he's a disgrace to Zelda and Paper Mario depends entirely on if he has a different moveset to me

 

[Cadillac]

I did some research of Arle, and from what I got she seems to be a mage character, with spells and everything.
Mage character is cool, but we have Hero.
But then she could have mechanics from Tetris, so uniqueness shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Herocin]

By the way, I'm still all in on KOS-MOS, but I'm not AS confident as I was pre-TGA.

I still just find it damning that Sabi and Verge were deconfirming left and right until someone brought up KOS-MOS, and then they both refused to deconfirm her and took hiatuses.

"Only the guilty plead the fifth!"

They did deconfirm Bandai Namco as a company which should deconfirm her. I wouldn’t be surprised if the leakers no longer have sources and were aware of all the leaks, viewed KOS-MOS as likely and then said that she was coming and then found a way to shoehorn her as confirmed not to be deconfirmed because they assumed the fan base would assume that she could just as easily be associated with Monolith Softthan Bamco even though that’s not the case at all as she is fully owned by Bamco so there is no grey area so she should be deconfirmed like with the rest of Bamco. I wouldn’t be surprised if that weren’t the case but I wouldn’t be surprised if the opposite way was the case as well

 

[kirbsmash]

Paper Mario depends entirely on if he has a different moveset to me

What do you mean? He can't really do Mario's moveset since....he's flat?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What do you mean? He can't really do Mario's moveset since....he's flat?

We have 3 Links with identical movesets, 4 Marth movesets and Mario alongside Mario With A Coat so I'm a tad pessimistic personally

 

[kirbsmash]

We have 3 Links with identical movesets, 4 Marth movesets and Mario alongside Mario With A Coat so I'm a tad pessimistic personally

Okay, aside from the fact the Links don't have identical moves, PM is....flat?? how would they be able to pull that out?