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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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AceAttorney9000

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Holy ****, I hope this is getting revealed at this month’s potential Direct:

https://vandal.elespanol.com/notici...ndo-switch-podria-llegar-finalmente-a-europa/

Basically an european store may have leaked DQ Heroes 1+2 for Switch.
Leaks from Europe, you say?

Yeah, we're getting something soon. The last 2 or 3 times this kinda **** happened, we got a Direct soon after.
I believe this sort of thing happened before with The Witcher III, Assassin's Creed III, and Assassin's Creed IV, all of which were revealed in a Direct. It's still not a guarantee that we're close to a Direct, but at the very least, it means those titles are coming to the Switch, and State-side in this case. Now if only this could happen with Ace Attorney Investigations 2 and the Dai Gyakuten Saiban games...

Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

Popularity:
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Importance:
Nostalgia:
Uniqueness:
Fun Factor:
Hype Inducer:
Meh-Low Key Add:
Sakurai Pick:
WTF Pick:
Popularity: Doom Slayer (Doom)
Relevancy: Officer Howard (Astral Chain)
Importance: Heihachi/Kazuya (Tekken)
Nostalgia: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Uniqueness: Excitebiker (Excite Series)
Fun Factor: Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)
Hype Inducer: Dante (Devil May Cry)
Meh-Low Key Add: Byleth (Fire Emblem)
Sakurai Pick: Medusa (Kid Icarus)
WTF Pick: Geolyte (Meteos)
 
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zeldasmash

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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Twitter Pick:
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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Dante (Devil May Cry) & Doomguy (DOOM)
Relevancy: Akira (Astral Chain)
Importance: Master Chief (Halo)
Nostalgia: Mach Rider (Mach Rider)
Uniqueness: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Fun Factor: Dante (Devil May Cry)
Hype Inducer: Kratos (God of War)
Meh-Low Key Add: Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)
Sakurai Pick: Viridi (Kid Icarus)
 

kylexv

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Seeing as it is now one decade later and there's murmurs of an upcoming direct, I am back with a prediction:

A direct will happen on the 15th with the reveal of the 5th and final DLC character of the fighter's pass. They will be released after the direct, and Sakurai will do a showcase of the character as usual.
 

Michael the Spikester

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A direct will happen on the 15th with the reveal of the 5th and final DLC character of the fighter's pass. They will be released after the direct, and Sakurai will do a showcase of the character as usual.
Yup when Sakurai said there'd be more DLC fighters he just meant one more after FP5. :p

Picture the salt.
 
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Rie Sonomura

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Bandana Dee
Relevancy: Octoling
Importance: Master Chief
Nostalgia: Ryu Hayabusa
Uniqueness: Elma
Fun Factor: Dixie Kong?
Hype Inducer: Dante
Meh-Low Key Add: idk
Sakurai Pick: KOS-MOS
Ninty Exec Pick: Officer Howard
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: uhhhhhh Black Shadow?
Twitter Pick: Shantae
WTF Pick: ...Gunvolt?
 
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3BitSaurus

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believe this sort of thing happened before with The Witcher III, Assassin's Creed III, and Assassin's Creed IV, all of which were revealed in a Direct. It's still not a guarantee that we're close to a Direct, but at the very least, it means those titles are coming to the Switch, and State-side in this case. Now if only this could happen with Ace Attorney Investigations 2 and the Dai Gyakuten Saiban games...
There's also the Overwatch case and the Joker render and game titles at Best Buy.

So yeah, it's not an absolute, but I'd give it a good 70 or 80% chance.
 
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Tako Tuesday

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Shrek
Relevancy: Jonesy from Fortnite
Importance: Popeye
Nostalgia: Shaggy
Uniqueness: Lightning McQueen
Fun Factor: Gru from Despicable Me
Hype Inducer: Goku
Meh Low-key Add: Balloon Fighter
Sakurai Pick: Nude Palutena
Ninty Exec Pick: Byleth
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: Vergeben
Twitter Pick: Twitter Bird
WTF Pick: Quick Draw McGraw
 
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Al-kīmiyā'

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What are your top five most likely first party options, just to break up the FE discussion (as much as possible at least) and also to extend an olive branch to the first party supporters who might feel too left out from our usually more third party centric discussions..
Edit: forgot about Geno
Edit 2: forgot that Geno isn't eligible for this

In descending order of likelihood:
  1. Byleth
  2. Edelgard
  3. Octoling
  4. Waluigi Geno Waluigi
  5. Akira Waluigi Akira
 
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CapitaineCrash

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Dante
Relevancy: Astral chain rep
Importance: Steve
Nostalgia: Geno
Uniqueness: Chorus kids
Fun factor: Phoenix Wright
Hype inducer: Master chief
Meh-low key add: Byleth
Sakurai pic: Mach rider
Ninty exec: Not sure to understand what you mean.. sorry
Smashboards pick: Shantae
Gamefaqs pick: I don't really go on Gamefaqs
Twitter picks: Bandana waddle dee
Wtf picks: Labo man
 

Us3inMN

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!
Popularity: Doomguy (DOOM Eternal design)
Relevancy: Steve (Minecraft)
Importance: Master Chief (Halo Infinite design)
Nostalgia: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden Black design)
Uniqueness: Cooking Mama (Cooking Mama)
Fun Factor: Tibby (Rhythm Heaven Megamix)
Hype Inducer: Shantae (Shantae: Half-Genie Hero design)
Meh-Low Key Add: Ristar (Ristar)
Ninty Exec Pick: Another Mario rep
WTF Pick: (insert any "Nindie" game here)
Sakurai Pick: Geno
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: Geno
Twitter Pick: Geno
The only thing men want (and it's f**king disgusting): literally Geno
 
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Schnee117

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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Hype Inducer:
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Smashboards Pick:
Gamefaqs Pick:
Twitter Pick:
WTF Pick:


I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Phoenix Wright
Relevancy: Akira Howard
Importance: Doomguy
Nostalgia: Ryu Hayabusa
Uniqueness: Edelgard
Fun Factor: Sol Badguy
Hype Inducer: Dante
Meh-Low Key: Byleth
Sakurai Pick: Iori Yagami
Nintendo Executive pick: Master Chief
SB pick: Geno
FAQs pick: Mos Eisley Spaceport
Twitter pick: Reimu
WTF pick: Gene (God Hand)

The best part is, outside of Meh, SB, Twitter and FAQs, they're all hype for me lmao

So where did this recent hate for Fire Emblem suddenly stem from?
bruh
 

Garteam

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It makes way more sense that Sakurai likes FE than it just being incredibly lucky 20 years in a row. Considering that Chrom was literally the only non Uprising character in Palutenas Guidance, FE being one of the only series with specific win quotes, multiple characters getting unique victory themes, etc. it doesn't look like the work of someone who was forced into putting in FE content.



And it only took 3 years for them to give it to us!
That's not to say Sakurai doesn't like Fire Emblem, but none of the evidence you used really supports the conclusion that Sakurai's been showing some degree of favouritism towards the series.

Chrom isn't the only cameo character in Palutena's Guidance, Alucard makes a cameo in Richter's. Likewise, Slippy Toad appears in Falco's codec conversation, which Sakurai admits was the predecessor to Palutena's Guidance in the 50 Fact Extravaganza.

Fire Emblem isn't the only series with unique win quotes, the Star Fox characters also have unique win quotes. Likewise, Simon has a slightly modified win quote when facing Ganondorf or Bayonetta.

While Fire Emblem does have unique victory themes, that's not something that's exclusive to the series. Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Kirby, and Kid Icarus also have unique victory themes for certain characters.

If anything, Fire Emblem has historically struggled with secondary content in Smash. In Melee, Fire Emblem was the only series that had a fighter but no stage, seeing how Akaneia got cut during development. For the next three Smash games, Fire Emblem would only receive one stage per game, when many other series would get multiple stages. Likewise, all Fire Emblem trophies except for Marth and Roy were cut during Melee's development. Even in Brawl and Smash for Wii U/3DS, Fire Emblem had very few non-fighter trophies, most of which were just copy-pasted models from Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn. Hell, it took until Ultimate for Fire Emblem to get its first item.
 

Mamboo07

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Bandana Dee (Kirby)
Relevancy: ?
Importance: ?
Nostalgia: Centipede (Atari)
Uniqueness: Amaterasu (Okami)
Fun Factor: Poochy (Yoshi)
Hype Inducer: Crash Bandiccot (Crash Bandicoot)
Meh-Low Key Add: Shake King (Wario)
Sakurai Pick: Byleth (Fire Emblem)
Ninty Exec Pick: ?
Smashboards Pick: ?
Gamefaqs Pick: Waluigi (Mario)
Twitter Pick: ?
WTF Pick: Octane (Rocket League)
 
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Ridrool64

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  • Popularity: Waluigi has become a fanatical character of high proportions.
  • Relevancy: Akira Howard takes a step to show what Astral Chain is made of.
  • Importance: Crash Bandicoot defined an era, I think he takes this.
  • Nostalgia: Bill Rizer could be it, but I think Hayabusa will cut him down.
  • Uniqueness: Steve has endless creativity. Show him what your mind can come up with.
  • Fun Factor: Arle Nadja takes to the popping with fun new mechanics both casually and competitively.
  • Hype Inducer: Master Chief will blow open entire new possibilities in Smash.
  • Low Key Add: Paper Mario could be considered low-key, since his support dropped off significantly.
  • Sakurai Pick: Geno was said to be somebody he'd like at one point, so...?
  • Ninty Exec Pick: A Pokémon from Generation 8 in order to entice more sales of both Smash Ultimate and Sword/Shield.
  • Smashboards Pick: Isaac will tear the earth apart when he gets in.
  • Gamefaqs Pick: What the hell am I supposed to do here? They hate everybody. I guess Doom Slayer is the least unpopular?
  • Twitter Pick: Bandana Dee's campaign has the most Twitter followers. I think he takes Twitter.
  • WTF Pick: Gex, because I'm insane. Considered Frisk, but after Sans they just seem too logical.
As for when I expect the direct... close start of the year. But, there's still no Smash... we are given a date of February 4th, however. If you know what that date is you'll know why I picked that one. But in all seriousness, it'll probably be around mid-late January, probably starting with the 17th and going up to the 25th. After that it's gonna be in February.

Game announcements are impossible to predict, but Paper Mario will probably come back with a remake of Paper Mario 64 for the Switch. Fans are elated at first, but... there's a catch... the unique character designs from the N64 original are gone and replaced with generic Toads, except the Partners. A huge push to bring back the unique character designs fails because the game is slated for a Summer 2020 release.

Mario Baseball is back with Namco at the helm due to the success of Mario Tennis Aces. It's Super Mario Baseball 3 (working title), which ends up as Mario League Baseball before the end of the year. Q3 2020 is all they can say.

Mario is also the focus of the "one final announcement" of this direct. Super Mario Party 2, the true return to form for Mario Party, finally, finally makes its debut under similar circumstances to Galaxy 2 and BoTW 2: too many ideas for DLC. These end up being Nintendo's hypest announcements.

BoTW 2 will get a "yeah, it exists. Keep your eyes peeled!" kind of announcement, but nothing substantial. Metroid Prime and Pikmin 4 do not exist as far as this direct is concerned, but rumors that both of them will be here spread like wildfire on Twitter anyway.

The star of the direct is Animal Crossing: New Horizons, which gets a huge info dump that makes fans of the series crap their pants in hype and non-fans go "get on with it already".

They go over Pokémon Home and Sleep, but say that they'll have more to talk about those games at a later date, an unspecified one.

SEGA has a new game but IDK what the hell it could be. It's not gonna be Sonic, they'll save that for the Sonic convention later this year. It's not gonna be Puyo, they'll save that for 2021 to coincide with the anniversary. It's probably going to be either the gameplay reveal of Shin Megami Tensei V, or a port of the Wii NiGHTS game.

There'll be other third party game announcements and DLC announcements.

Smash gets a new character... reveal date. It's still not in this direct, it's in March. The end of the pass has been delayed due to unforeseen circumstances regarding Character 5's inclusion. The character ends up leaked and we all know exactly who it is a month before the official reveal, spoiling the surprise for all of us.
 
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Likewise, Simon has a slightly modified win quote when facing Ganondorf or Bayonetta.
I need this patched out because if Simon wins and doesn't VANQUISH THE DARKNESS, then he's wasting my time.

:4pacman:
 

Yacobo

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That's not to say Sakurai doesn't like Fire Emblem, but none of the evidence you used really supports the conclusion that Sakurai's been showing some degree of favouritism towards the series.
It's far and away the most generously treated series in Smash when factoring in it's popularity.

Chrom isn't the only cameo character in Palutena's Guidance, Alucard makes a cameo in Richter's.
In Ultimate. In Smash 4, out of all the characters they could've chosen, they thought FE needed it the most.

Fire Emblem isn't the only series with unique win quotes, the Star Fox characters also have unique win quotes. Likewise, Simon has a slightly modified win quote when facing Ganondorf or Bayonetta.
It was one of three series to get it. Another being Uprising which also has tons of evidence of bias towards it.

While Fire Emblem does have unique victory themes, that's not something that's exclusive to the series. Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Kirby, and Kid Icarus also have unique victory themes for certain characters.
The amount it has is tied with Mario. It's also suspect that Corrin got their own, when they are supposedly a character that Sakurai was forced to add in.

You're looking at them individually, and not as a whole. Sure when you look at them one at a time you can think of a few other series that have similar stuff, but for it to happen so many times for a single IP is when it gets suspicious.

If anything, Fire Emblem has historically struggled with secondary content in Smash. In Melee, Fire Emblem was the only series that had a fighter but no stage, seeing how Akaneia got cut during development. For the next three Smash games, Fire Emblem would only receive one stage per game, when many other series would get multiple stages.
I made my point earlier about how non character content is basically nothing compared to character content. If it wasn't discussing stage lists for competitive smash I'd doubt they would get any significant amount of discussion whatsoever. Same could be said for Assist trophies and items.

If FE fans really felt they were super significant. then where was the hype for the katana, seeing as its FEs first item? Why was a clone of Roy, who was a clone of Marth much more hyped despite FE fans getting new characters many times before?
 
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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Fun topic!

Popularity: Sora
Relevancy: Jill from REmake 3
Importance: Space Invaders
Nostalgia: Bomberman
Uniqueness: Geno
Fun Factor: Bomberman
Hype Inducer: 2B, Dante, Master Chief, Dark Souls, etc
Meh-Low Key Add: Viewtiful Joe
Sakurai Pick: Sakurai decides that
Ninty Exec Pick: Not my choice
Smashboards Pick: Isaac or Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: I don't go there
Twitter Pick: Don't follow Twitter much
WTF Pick: Zero from Katana Zero
 

Schnee117

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Chrom isn't the only cameo character in Palutena's Guidance, Alucard makes a cameo in Richter's. Likewise, Slippy Toad appears in Falco's codec conversation, which Sakurai admits was the predecessor to Palutena's Guidance in the 50 Fact Extravaganza.
Robin's guidance actually got altered to remove Chrom seeing as him being the butt monkey doesn't make sense anymore.
 

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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Relevancy:
Importance:
Nostalgia:
Uniqueness:
Fun Factor:
Hype Inducer:
Meh-Low Key Add:
Sakurai Pick:
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Gamefaqs Pick:
Twitter Pick:
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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Bandana Waddle Dee
Relevancy: Byleth
Importance: Admittedly, I'm kinda struggling for this one (mainly because most of my choices for this worked better in other categories), so I'll put the most important Nintendo character not currently on the roster: Toad
Nostalgia: Geno
Uniqueness: Amaterasu
Fun Factor: Doom Slayer
Hype Inducer: Waluigi
Meh-Low Key Add: Lycanroc (because I can dream)
Sakurai Pick: Nakoruru
Ninty Exec Pick: Either Rillaboom or Toxtricity
Smashboards Pick: Issac
Gamefaqs Pick: Crash is pretty popular there, I think? Either way, Crash is a pretty popular choice across multiple platforms, so he probably fits.
Twitter Pick: I barely ever go to Twitter, but I heard they were kinda bummed from the Resident Evil spirit event, so throw them Jill Valentine.
WTF Pick: Frogger outdated, Contra overrated, long we have waited, Shiori Fujisaki activated.
 

DMTN

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Rex. I may not like him, but his popularity in Japan is hard to ignore.
Relevancy: Doom Slayer
Importance: Chosen Undead. Dark Souls was, in my opinion, the most influential game of the decade.
Nostalgia: Rayman. This is different for everybody. Rayman 2 is the first game I ever played and I come back to it every year.
Uniqueness: Chell.
Fun Factor: Too many to choose from. Fun is hella subjective. To me, a "fun" character is usually a close-combat heavyweight.
Hype Inducer: Gordon Freeman. I'd rather have the Heavy, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't curious about the reaction Gordon would cause.
Meh-Low Key Add: Lloyd.
Sakurai Pick: Travis Touchdown. I don't know what's going in Sakurai's head, but Travis would be characteristic of him.
Ninty Exec Pick: Probably a Pokemon or something.
Smashboards Pick: I haven't been keeping up. Geno, I guess.
Gamefaqs Pick: Anyone but Geno.
Twitter Pick: Waluigi. That's pretty much the only right answer to this one.
WTF Pick: Madotsuki from Yume Nikki, a WTF pick from a WTF game.
 
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Man. 12 hours were spent arguing about Fire Emblem today huh?
Top 5 most likely first parties
  1. Three Houses - Given circumstantial evidence, I'm confident Nintendo's going to advertise Fire Emblem again for DLC. The lack of spirits for the most successful FE game to date is suspicious beyond all accounts.
  2. Waluigi - the meme character that elevated into a weirdly high requested phenomenon. Could be the next Mario newcomer if not Geno.
  3. Zelda rep - A potential BOTW 2 character? It could happen if they really wanna bank on it.
  4. Kirby rep - Sakurai loves the series, it's doing well, Star Allies showed what every Kirby character can do, why not?
  5. Someone not on my list because who knows?
 

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Sora
Relevancy:
Master Chief
Importance:
Doom Marine
Nostalgia:
Ryu Hayabusa
Uniqueness:
Neku Sakuraba
Fun Factor:
Heihachi Mishima
Hype Inducer:
Kratos
Meh-Low Key Add:
Byleth/Edelgard/Demitri/Claude
Sakurai Pick:
Rex
Ninty Exec Pick:
Akira Howard
Smashboards Pick:
Geno
Gamefaqs Pick:
Isaac
Twitter Pick:
Shantae
WTF Pick:
Geralt of Rivia
 
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Time to go through all of these lists and systematically like anybody who suggests Bomberman.

E: :(
 
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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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Smashboards Pick:
Gamefaqs Pick:
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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Doom Slayer
Relevancy: Kazuma Kiryu
Importance: Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy (RIP)
Nostalgia: Frogger
Uniqueness: Phoenix Wright
Fun Factor: Sol Badguy
Hype Inducer: Geralt of Rivira (if not him because books, Sora or Master Chief)
Meh-Low Key Add: A Pokemon or something???
Sakurai Pick: Sakurai Himself
Ninty Exec Pick: Snom
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: Vergeben
Twitter Pick: Steve? I haven't noticed one particular character getting popular on Twitter but Steve seems to be more well received over there than anywhere else so him I guess
WTF Pick: Dane from The Quiet Man
 

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Popularity: Sora
Relevancy: Sword/Shield Starter
Importance: Tetromino
Nostalgia: Bill Rizer
Uniqueness: Isaac
Fun Factor: Travis Touchdown
Hype Inducer: Gordon Freeman
Meh-Low Key Add: Jason Frudnick
Sakurai Pick: Rex
Ninty Exec Pick: Byleth
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: Doomguy
Twitter Pick: Steve(?)
WTF Pick:
K R A I D OUTSIZES THE COMPETITION
 
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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!
Popularity: Sora
Relevancy: Three Houses character
Importance: Lara Croft
Nostalgia: Ryu Hayabusa
Uniqueness: Shantae (if she were able to transform)
Fun Factor: Bomberman
Hype Inducer: Master Chief
Meh-Low Key Add: A Gen 8 Pokemon
Sakurai Pick: Iori Yagami (I mean he said his design was genius after all)
Ninty Exec Pick: Travis Touchdown (to promote NMH3)
Smashboards Pick: Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: Don't know because I hate Gamefaqs
Twitter Pick: Don't know because I don't really use Twitter
WTF Pick: Clementine from TellTale/SkyBound's TWD game
 
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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

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Uniqueness:
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I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Sora
Relevancy: Officer Howard
Importance: Crash Bandicoot
Nostalgia: Frogger
Uniqueness: Steve
Fun Factor: Edelgard
Hype Inducer: Master Chief
Meh-Low Key Add: Doom Slayer
Sakurai Pick: 2B
Ninty Exec Pick: Labo
Smashboards Pick: Baboom Geno
Gamefaqs Pick: They literally hate everything lmao
Twitter Pick: Waluigi
WTF Pick: Y'all ain't ready for Guybrush Threepwood
 

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It's far and away the most generously treated series in Smash when factoring in it's popularity.



In Ultimate. In Smash 4, out of all the characters they could've chosen, they thought FE needed it the most.



It was one of three series to get it. Another being Uprising which also has tons of evidence of bias towards it.



The amount it has is tied with Mario. It's also suspect that Corrin got their own, when they are supposedly a character that Sakurai was forced to add in.

You're looking at them individually, and not as a whole. Sure when you look at them one at a time you can think of a few other series that have similar stuff, but for it to happen so many times for a single IP is when it gets suspicious.



I made my point earlier about how non character content is basically nothing compared to character content. If it wasn't discussing stage lists for competitive smash I'd doubt they would get any significant amount of discussion whatsoever. Same could be said for Assist trophies and items.

If FE fans really felt they were super significant. then where was the hype for the katana, seeing as its FEs first item? Why was a clone of Roy, who was a clone of Marth much more hyped despite FE fans getting new characters many times before?
The dirty secret about Fire Emblem getting the Guidance was there weren't really any other candidates. To have a cameo in a Guidance or Codec, you have to be from a series where the characters frequently speak in fully voiced sentences in an intelligible language. It would be strange to have the fully voiced Kid Icarus cast interacting with the Godzilla-grunting Bowser. There's only three series that meet this criteria: Kid Icarus, Star Fox, and Fire Emblem. Kid Icarus doesn't work for obvious reasons, while Star Fox had a cameo in Brawl and it wouldn't make much thematic sense for the Sci-fi characters of Star Fox to be talking to the Greek Mythology-based Kid Icarus cast. As such, it was really either a Fire Emblem cameo or nothing.

Similar thing for victory quotes. Star Fox, Kid Icarus, and Fire Emblem are the only series that have their characters speak in fully voiced sentences in a real language, so they're the ones that get unique victory quotes. It's not that special to have Link or Donkey Kong grunt in a slightly different way when facing another character from their series.

Honestly, Fire Emblem having two unique victory themes makes sense given the context. Characters mostly get unique victory themes when the standard series doesn't really fit them. Villains, for example, have a unique theme because it's kinda weird to have Bowser, Ridley, or K. Rool celebrating to their enemy's theme. This generally applies to Corrin, seeing how Lost in Thoughts All Alone effectively replaces the standard Fire Emblem theme throughout Fates. It's a little different for the Awakening gang, but that more likely has to do with there being a large number of reps from that particular game. If we lived in a world where Lucina stayed a Marth costume, echoes never became a thing, and Robin was our only Awakening character, he'd probably just use the standard Fire Emblem theme for his victory.

Besides, I don't think Sakurai really cares about victories too much, seeing how Chrom initially had the standard theme and no one caught this until fans starting noticing on the internet. Also, I never said that Sakurai was forced to add Corrin in, but Corrin was in the right place at the right time to fill a DLC quota. I'm sure Sakurai likes Corrin, but I don't know if he would've joined the battle if the very specific set of criteria that got him in wasn't in place.

That being said, even though the fanbase seems to treasure fighters above all else and views them as the series' worth in the context of Smash, I don't think that's how Sakurai sees it. If Sakurai thought that fighters were the only thing that mattered, why would he put in so much effort to develop new items, stages, and assist trophies? Likewise, why would he take so much time to show off various items and stages during the game's pre-release? Fighters may be the meat of Smash Bros., but a meal with only meat is kinda boring. You need sides to add some additional flavour, Smash wouldn't be the massive game it was without things like stages, items, music, or assist trophies.
 
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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Sora
Relevancy:
2B
Importance:
Doom Slayer
Nostalgia:
Crash Bandicoot
Uniqueness:
Akira Howard (I could see another really cool character working based upon the gameplay on show)
Fun Factor:
Dante (If done right, he'd be absolutely insane to play)
Hype Inducer:
Master Chief (I've said it before and I will again, he'd bring down the house like no other)
Meh-Low Key Add:
Waluigi (he's big, but he's also really low key compared to all kinds of bigger characters and one of my most meh picks)
Sakurai Pick:
Geno
Ninty Exec Pick:
Byleth is we're going cynical Nintendo self promotion. If we're going third party pull, I'll say Ezio given AC's success and history with Nintendo
Smashboards Pick:
Shantae or KOS-MOS since Geno is the Sakurai pick.
Gamefaqs Pick:
I don't know what they're feeling these days to be honest...
Twitter Pick:
I don't use Twitter enough to know.
WTF Pick:
Tabuu, make him the first original Smash character.
 

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Here’s something that could be interest. Using this criteria, list the character that you feel best fits category!

Popularity:
Relevancy:
Importance:
Nostalgia:
Uniqueness:
Fun Factor:
Hype Inducer:
Meh-Low Key Add:
Sakurai Pick:
Ninty Exec Pick:
Smashboards Pick:
Gamefaqs Pick:
Twitter Pick:
WTF Pick:


I added a few more categories for funsies.
Popularity: Travis/Sora (Why not both?)
Relevancy: Jonesy (from Fortnite)
Importance: Doomguy
Nostalgia: ... (hard to say because I'm unsure whether to go by my own nostalgia or by the nostalgia of the community)
Uniqueness: Neku (from The World Ends With You)
Fun Factor: Galleom? (fun is subjective, and some of the "fun" characters I had in mind were either to my personal tastes, already in another category, or not well suited for Smash)
Hype Inducer: Dante
Meh-Low Key Add: Byleth
Sakurai Pick: ... (IDK I'm not Sakurai)
Ninty Exec Pick: Pauline (taking a wild guess here...)
Smashboards Pick: Quote? (IDK most of the characters I see come from /v/ first)
Gamefaqs Pick: Shovel Knight? (see above)
Twitter Pick: Arle? (see above)
WTF Pick: Falinks/Dig Dug/Raz (from Psychonauts)
Glad to see we're kicking the year off with stupid arguments about Fire Emblem.
More like the new decade, but true nonetheless.
Robin's guidance actually got altered to remove Chrom seeing as him being the butt monkey doesn't make sense anymore.
I'm not sure about the monkey part but he's still a butt.
people that still complain about FE in Smash are weenies
I don't dislike that we have a lot of Fire Embros in Smash. Heck, I'm cool with all of the "Marth clones". However, I'd still rather have more unique characters than these "ECHO FIGHTERS". Maybe in future Smash games they could give the two more unique movesets from their counterparts?
 
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Yeah, I'm dropping this because I've already run around in circles enough for one day. I'm not even a huge Three Houses supporter, but I wouldn't complain if we got another solid Fire Emblem character, and if I'm choosing this option, Edelgard is the clear winner for me. It would almost be a shame to go with Byleth again despite how much sense it makes given I kind of find the Avatars the least interesting, but at least a whip sword, time abilities, and male Byleth's look are all pretty solid traits.

I know I've been one to reject first party options a lot given my preference for third parties at this point, but if I had to guess the 5 most likely ones in the spirit of changing the conversation, it would be these:
  • Three Houses Rep - Not really sure if I'd say there's a more specific front runner, but it's been a successful title with 4 amazing main options that many people consider one of 2019's best games and one of the Switch games of the year.
  • Officer/Akira Howard - Astral Chain has tons of possibilities with the different Legions and its one of the few modern Nintendo IPs to not have any representation at all in the game. It doesn't have to, but I think it's got a chance if Nintendo wants to push it further.
  • Bandanna Dee - Kirby continues to be a pretty successful and lucrative IP for Nintendo, and since DK and Metroid fans were finally satisfied with new characters Ultimate, Kirby is sort of the fan base left standing with a clear cut "most wanted" in Bandanna Dee. Plenty of moveset potential and while he's a Spirit, I don't think that will be much of an issue going into the next Wave of DLC.
  • Rex/Pyra - Sort of in a weird place given the Rex Mii costume, but if we don't get KOS-MOS, they still make a lot of sense since Xenoblade Chronicles continues to be on the up and up and people wanting another Xenoblade character is probably only to get stronger as Nintendo turns the brand into a power house of JRPGs.
  • Dixie Kong - She's still the rare classic Nintendo all-star missing from Smash and she can be an easy semi-clone of Diddy Kong if they're looking for another individual DLC type character. There's definitely still a fan outcry for her, though not nearly as strong of one as I expected post King K. Rool (which I guess people flocked to Banjo & Kazooie and then kind of fell off afterwards).
If Assist Trophies do get upgrades, Waluigi goes straight to the top as well (Which is kind of sad as I've said before, but oh well). I'll give a shoutout to Captain Toad as well since he seems like one that could still surprise us, but Toad is still so heavily integrated into Peach and Daisy that I'm not sure how Sakurai feels about him.

What are your top five most likely first party options, just to break up the FE discussion (as much as possible at least) and also to extend an olive branch to the first party supporters who might feel too left out from our usually more third party centric discussions..
1 - Byleth Three House (no spirits are suspicious)
2 - Akira (same as Byleth)
3 - Geno (his general popularity and no Mii Costume)
4 - Bandana Dee (popular)
5 - Waluigi (If there's an AT upgrade, it will be him).
 

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Popularity: 2B
Relevancy: Sora
Importance: Reimu
Nostalgia: Chrono
Uniqueness: Darkrai
Fun Factor: Monokuma
Hype Inducer: Phoenix Wright
Meh-Low Key: Crash
Sakurai Pick: Inteleon
Nintendo Executive pick: Edelgard
SB pick: Geno
FAQs pick: They hate everyone
Twitter pick: Waluigi
WTF pick: Hyde
 
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