Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Eldrake]

We get Megalovania and Megalomania in the same game.

Would also love the bosses of each chapter, but... yeah, that seems like asking too much.

Spoiler: Live A Live spoiler

An alternative option is for them be represented through an Oersted spirit battle as some kind of a boss rush deal

 

[StormC]

Finally, Storm and I agree on something outside of politics. I am ever so glad you finally saw the light

When the revolution comes, the new class society will be organized by Smash mains.

I just find it funny how uncanny Banjo looks in Smash even compared to some more realistic fighters.

Yeah, I don't like the glass-eyed models, sue me.

The eyes are still pretty odd looking, yeah. I chalk it up to the Japanese influence. Kazooie looks perfect though imo. Her best design by far.

 

[Deleted member]

What world do you live in where breaking 2.5 million sales is considered ****?

Actually scratch that

I mean the story was ****

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I doubt corrin sold that terribly

there's a lotta people out there, including myself, who ended up buying all the characters just for the complete experience, regardless of their thoughts on said characters, corrin included.

Reminder that I actually wasn't a fan of their inclusion, initially, and only bought them for completeness sake, only for them grow on me a little bit later

 

[DarthEnderX]

*Waluigi, Toad, Dixie Kong supporters has joined the chat*

Waluigi and Dixie have their own series?

If we ever get a Square series represented by only Spirits, I'd like it to be this one:

I need it to be Secret of Mana, because I think it's the only way I'll finish this. Because I don't see Mana getting a playable character.

 

[Deleted member]

Bruh just I believe Rare/Playtonic have no clue how to make decent 3D platformers doesn't mean Storm was serious lol

Mfw I couldn't tell someone was joking

 

[StormC]

Mfw I couldn't tell someone was joking

Did... did you not notice the K. Rool icon on my profile?

 

[osby]

I'm not a huge fan of Corrin or anything but.

This "Corrin will be cut next game, no questions, everyone hates them!" talk gives me serious R.O.B. flashbacks.

 

[Deleted member]

Did... did you not notice the K. Rool icon on my profile?

I'm on mobile. Can't see that right now.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Yeah! Live-a-live is a really cool game so I'd love to see some spirits! They should be part of Crono's spirit board if he gets in since they both have elements of time travel.

Not sure if that would happen, but hey, I certainly wouldn't complain.

Spoiler: Live A Live spoiler

An alternative option is for them be represented through an Oersted spirit battle as some kind of a boss rush deal

That really sounds like a Legend Spirit battle.

Spoiler: Live A Live Spoilers

Plus it's easier to represent compared to the actual final battle against Odio. Maybe just have Dark Pit to represent the second phase.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Waluigi and Dixie have their own series?

Not yet they haven't

Waluigi Pinball™ coming to the Switch very soon baybeee.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Not yet they haven't

Waluigi Pinball™ coming to the Switch very soon baybeee.

You misspelled Waluigi's Wrecking Crew.

 

[Garteam]

I feel like I'm the one person who's merely indifferent on Banjo. Everyone seems to treat him like the second coming of Christ or the worst thing that ever happened to Smash.

Banjo definitely belongs in Smash in the same way that Bayonetta does: both are third parties who Nintendo took under their wing when their consoles were struggling with third party supports. Their games are very well-remembered and are considered tent poles in the N64 and Wii U's libraries. That being said, Banjo was only relevant for a handful of years, during which I wasn't playing video games. He's not the most important character in the history of Nintendo, but bringing him back was definitely a nice gesture to those who grew up with him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I feel like I'm the one person who's merely indifferent on Banjo. Everyone seems to treat him like the second coming of Christ or the worst thing that ever happened to Smash.

Banjo definitely belongs in Smash in the same way that Bayonetta does: both are third parties who Nintendo took under their wing when their consoles were struggling with third party supports. Their games are very well-remembered and are considered tent poles in the N64 and Wii U's libraries. That being said, Banjo was only relevant for a handful of years, during which I wasn't playing video games. He's not the most important character in the history of Nintendo, but bringing him back was definitely a nice gesture to those who grew up with him.

Ehhhh considering how everyone ****s themselves about Goldeneye I'm not too sure if the N64 was really struggling with third party support, it was just that the president of Nintendo banned Square after they took Sony's offer

 

[SKX31]

Not yet they haven't

Waluigi Pinball™ coming to the Switch very soon baybeee.

You misspelled Waluigi's Wrecking Crew.

Nah, Waluigi's Bridal Boutique® is where it's at! Next to his Taco Stand. You get there from the Wrecking Crew and Pinball by Bus.

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt corrin sold that terribly

there's a lotta people out there, including myself, who ended up buying all the characters just for the complete experience, regardless of their thoughts on said characters, corrin included.

Reminder that I actually wasn't a fan of their inclusion, initially, and only bought them for completeness sake, only for them grow on me a little bit later

I didn’t say the character sold terrible

 

[Wunderwaft]

You misspelled Waluigi's Wrecking Crew.

Wouldn't that be Foreman Spike's game?

Then again Waluigi drives Spike's excavator in Mario Kart DS and his theme song in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix is a rearrangement of music from Wrecking Crew so hmmmmmmmm.

 

[3BitSaurus]

You misspelled Waluigi's Wrecking Crew.

Uuuuh, I think you mixed two posts together? lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I feel like I'm the one person who's merely indifferent on Banjo. Everyone seems to treat him like the second coming of Christ or the worst thing that ever happened to Smash.

It's more like a lot of people really like the character. That's all.

I'm indifferent too(and more wanted Fulgore), but I get the love for it. They were honestly amazing platformers exclusive to Nintendo. Character was part of Nintendo's mascot ensemble at the time and is a gaming icon. The love makes sense. Doesn't mean everybody enjoyed the games either. Even some of the most beloved characters will have those who simply shrug.

 

[osby]

I feel like I'm the one person who's merely indifferent on Banjo. Everyone seems to treat him like the second coming of Christ or the worst thing that ever happened to Smash.

Banjo definitely belongs in Smash in the same way that Bayonetta does: both are third parties who Nintendo took under their wing when their consoles were struggling with third party supports. Their games are very well-remembered and are considered tent poles in the N64 and Wii U's libraries. That being said, Banjo was only relevant for a handful of years, during which I wasn't playing video games. He's not the most important character in the history of Nintendo, but bringing him back was definitely a nice gesture to those who grew up with him.

I'll admit, I hated his addition at first but now I just don't care.

It's nice not having to deal with his speculation anymore and I mostly forget he's in the game at all.

 

[Deleted member]

Which one, Fates or Corrin DLC?

Fate's sales were decent at worst, even if you count three versions separate.

People keep saying sold badly but I never saw any proof for it.

Citation needed.

What I meant was the story was bad

I am bad at wording

 

[StormC]

Ehhhh considering how everyone ****s themselves about Goldeneye I'm not too sure if the N64 was really struggling with third party support, it was just that the president of Nintendo banned Square after they took Sony's offer

The N64 had 10% of the library of the PlayStation. Third parties that supported the SNES like Capcom and Konami abandoned it in droves.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The N64 had 10% of the library of the PlayStation. Third parties that supported the SNES like Capcom and Konami abandoned it in droves.

I mean, we had two Castlevania games. ...Not the best ever, but I wouldn't say outright abandoned. Also, MegaMan 64. So they slightly gave Nintendo a bone.

Though we did have some nice showings from Hudson Soft. Bomberman 64 was explosively good. Same with Hero and 64: The Second Attack.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The N64 had 10% of the library of the PlayStation. Third parties that supported the SNES like Capcom and Konami abandoned it in droves.

Did they? I know they found more success on the ps1 than the 64 but that's because the ps1 just sold a ****ton better. There was still Capcom and Konami games on there, weren't there 2 Castlevania games, Resident Evil and Mega Man at the very least?

 

[Dark Bagel]

I just find it funny how uncanny Banjo looks in Smash even compared to some more realistic fighters.

Yeah, I don't like the glass-eyed models, sue me.

Lucina: Such a callous, blank stare! Such unnatural, beady eyes! You must be an unholy apparition sent forth by Grima himself! Have at you!

Banjo:

 

[StormC]

Did they? I know they found more success on the ps1 than the 64 but that's because the ps1 just sold a ****ton better. There was still Capcom and Konami games on there, weren't there 2 Castlevania games, Resident Evil and Mega Man at the very least?

Two Castlevania games, a port of RE2 (actually a very good port) and a port of Mega Man Legends. PlayStation on the other hand got Symphony Of The Night, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and so on, big headliner titles. Those were just two examples off the top of my head. Third parties overwhelmingly preferred to develop software for PlayStation because Nintendo was stubborn about cartridges, and created many of the heavy hitters for the system.

 

[osby]

Lucina: Such a callous, blank stare! Such unnatural, beady eyes! You must be an unholy apparition sent forth by Grima himself! Have at you!

Banjo:
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Does this look like the face of mercy?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm not a huge fan of Corrin or anything but.

This "Corrin will be cut next game, no questions, everyone hates them!" talk gives me serious R.O.B. flashbacks.

But if I want it to happen then it must be true!

Anyone else is wrong because I disagree with them.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Two Castlevania games, a port of RE2 (actually a very good port) and a port of Mega Man Legends. PlayStation on the other hand got Symphony Of The Night, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and so on, big headliner titles. Those were just two examples off the top of my head. Third parties overwhelmingly preferred to develop software for PlayStation because Nintendo was stubborn about cartridges, and created many of the heavy hitters for the system.

I wasn't there so I can't say but this really doesn't seem nearly as bad as the Wii U considering again, the games were still getting there. Nintendo's censorship policies were also a factor iirc, which was one of the reasons Square was frustrated with Nintendo

 

[3BitSaurus]

It's more like a lot of people really like the character. That's all.

I'm indifferent too(and more wanted Fulgore), but I get the love for it. They were honestly amazing platformers exclusive to Nintendo. Character was part of Nintendo's mascot ensemble at the time and is a gaming icon. The love makes sense. Doesn't mean everybody enjoyed the games either. Even some of the most beloved characters will have those who simply shrug.

We also gotta factor in that there's no real substitute for the Banjo-Kazooie series and it's an IP that fans wanted back for a long time.

Personally, I just really wanted to see the bear and bird again.

 

[StormC]

I wasn't there so I can't say but this really doesn't seem nearly as bad as the Wii U considering again, the games were still getting there. Nintendo's censorship policies were also a factor iirc, which was one of the reasons Square was frustrated with Nintendo

Square moving to PlayStation was unrelated to Nintendo's censorship policies.

The team decided to take the riskier option and make a 3D game on new generation hardware but had yet to choose between the cartridge-based Nintendo 64 or the CD-ROM-based PlayStation from Sony Computer Entertainment.[37] The team also considered the Sega Saturn console and Microsoft Windows.[39] Their decision was influenced by two factors: a highly successful tech demo based on Final Fantasy VI using the new Softimage 3D software, and the escalating price of cartridge-based games, which was limiting Square's audience.[37][40][41] Tests were made for a Nintendo 64 version, which would use the planned 64DD peripheral despite the lack of 64DD development kits and the prototype device's changing hardware specifications. This version was discarded during early testing, as the 2000 polygons needed to render the Behemoth monster placed excessive strain on the Nintendo 64 hardware, causing a low frame rate.[37] It would have required an estimated thirty 64DD discs to run Final Fantasy VII properly with the data compression methods of the day.[42] Faced with both technical and economic issues on Nintendo's current hardware, and impressed by the increased storage capacity of CD-ROM when compared to the Nintendo 64 cartridge, Square shifted development of Final Fantasy VII, and all other planned projects, onto the PlayStation.[37]

Keep in mind Final Fantasy VI was considered one of the darkest RPGs of its time upon release, so I don't think censorship would be an issue anyway.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

We also gotta factor in that there's no real substitute for the Banjo-Kazooie series and it's an IP that fans wanted back for a long time.

Personally, I just really wanted to see the bear and bird again.

That too. There's nothing quite like them either. Sure, there's other neat platformers in a similar style(I.E. Spyro), but the dual-gameplay is a big thing. I'm just glad I got both games for a fairly good price. Mind you, I don't care about booklets/boxes for a lot of games, outside of my favorite series, so eh. But yay for online, cause there's so many neat oddities you can find.

Honestly, my biggest disappointment is the lack of any Rareware or Microsoft costumes. So many cool opportunities. Fulgore would make a kickass Brawler alone.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Does this look like the face of mercy?

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Here, we can see the rare Ursus Banjicus asserting its dominance.

Truly majestic.

 

[Garteam]

Ehhhh considering how everyone ****s themselves about Goldeneye I'm not too sure if the N64 was really struggling with third party support, it was just that the president of Nintendo banned Square after they took Sony's offer

Rare definitely helped the N64 in terms of third party support (even if Goldeneye aged about as well as Haley Joel Osmond if he was made of milk), but I'd say the N64 really struggled in terms of third party support. Obviously, losing Square (and to a lesser extent, Enix) was a massive blow which may be Nintendo's biggest mistake in the generation, but most studios that were SNES die-hards didn't really bother with the N64.

For example, Capcom set their sights completely on the PSX and arcade, with the N64 being lucky to receive watered-down ports of PSX games about a year after release. Konami was a little better, taking time to develop N64 exclusives like the Castlevanias and Rakugakids, but it was plainly clear their A-teams were set on the PSX. Western devs like Acclaim picked up some of the slack, but it's almost night-day when compared to the diverse offerings of the SNES.

 

[3BitSaurus]

That too. There's nothing quite like them either. Sure, there's other neat platformers in a similar style(I.E. Spyro), but the dual-gameplay is a big thing. I'm just glad I got both games for a fairly good price. Mind you, I don't care about booklets/boxes for a lot of games, outside of my favorite series, so eh. But yay for online, cause there's so many neat oddities you can find.

Honestly, my biggest disappointment is the lack of any Rareware or Microsoft costumes. So many cool opportunities. Fulgore would make a kickass Brawler alone.

Mumbo as Swordfighter and a Jinjo hat would have been cool too. I really wish we got content from other Rare games, like Diddy Kong Racing and Jet Force Gemini.

As for game similarities... Yooka-Laylee draws only from Kazooie and not Tooie, so it felt like a step back. And A Hat in Time is more inspired by Mario Sunshine. So really, no recent games fill the void.

At this point, since Rare is really intent on not doing anything with older IPs, Rare Replay on Switch is the best thing I can ask for the series right now.

 

[Deleted member]

But if I want it to happen then it must be true!

Anyone else is wrong because I disagree with them.

I got K. Rool, Erdrick, and Banjo-Kazooie so that means my wants are gospel and 100% accurate. Tune in 2020 when Geno takes the stage.

2020:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mumbo as Swordfighter and a Jinjo hat would have been cool too. I really wish we got content from other Rare games, like Diddy Kong Racing and Jet Force Gemini.

As for game similarities... Yooka-Laylee draws only from Kazooie and not Tooie, so it felt like a step back. And A Hat in Time is more inspired by Mario Sunshine. So really, no recent games fill the void.

At this point, since Rare is really intent on not doing anything with older IPs, Rare Replay on Switch is the best thing I can ask for the series right now.

To be fair, didn't some of the members actually leave Rare? That'd make it harder to recapture the feeling. At that point, a fan might be needed to help get it back to its roots. It's how Sonic got some neat stuff, like Mania. These things do happen. Though it's not remotely common.

DKR would've been neat too, though at least we got the best characters from it, Diddy and Banjo.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm not Corrin's biggest fan either, but people need to let go of the idea that just because the fanbase complains about a character doesn't mean they're at the top of the list to be cut. Lucario for instance got so many complaints about being a shill choice himself on top of the whole 'he replaced Mewtwo!' thing, but despite how many people insisted he'd be gone he wasn't the one who ultimately got the axe for Smash 4. Same thing happened with ROB and Toon Link, who also were 'popular' choices in that discussion.

The thing is that cuts don't happen to respond to the fanbase's whims, they're done because not enough time and resources can be devoted to finishing off the character, or something came up that prevents their inclusion such as what happened with the Ice Climbers and the 3DS hardware. So just because you don't like a character doesn't mean they're going to be gone by the time the next game rolls out, if they can be finished by the end of development they will remain regardless of how you feel about them.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Honestly, my biggest disappointment is the lack of any Rareware or Microsoft costumes. So many cool opportunities. Fulgore would make a kickass Brawler alone.

Oh definitely. It's obvious that Conker doesn't stand a chance as a future DLC character so a mii costume for him would've been great. I guess part of the reason I wasn't part of the Banjo train is because I thought Conker was the cooler Rare character. I like him more than the Bear & Bird in terms of character personality and moveset.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Square moving to PlayStation was unrelated to Nintendo's censorship policies.



Keep in mind Final Fantasy VI was considered one of the darkest RPGs of its time upon release, so I don't think censorship would be an issue anyway.

Huh. I guess 7 having attempted **** and **** made me not doubt that claim though now that you mention it FF6 had an onscreen attempted suicide.