Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[3BitSaurus]

To be fair, didn't some of the members actually leave Rare? That'd make it harder to recapture the feeling. At that point, a fan might be needed to help get it back to its roots. It's how Sonic got some neat stuff, like Mania. These things do happen. Though it's not remotely common.

DKR would've been neat too, though at least we got the best characters from it, Diddy and Banjo.

Basically, that's how we got Yooka-Laylee (and that new game called Tamarin, which I think is a GFG spiritual successor).

I said this in the BK thread, but I don't want the current Rare to make the next Banjo-Kazooie game. I'd rather it be someone like Retro (unlikely as it is) or an indie studio like Gears For Breakfast or Playtonic (ironically enough).

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Waluigi and Dixie have their own series?

Not yet they haven't

Waluigi Pinball™ coming to the Switch very soon baybeee.

Don't forget Dixie Kong: Guitar Hero, where she jams with the greatest hits out of Kongo Falls, rocking all night long.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Oh definitely. It's obvious that Conker doesn't stand a chance as a future DLC character so a mii costume for him would've been great. I guess part of the reason I wasn't part of the Banjo train is because I thought Conker was the cooler Rare character. I like him more than the Bear & Bird in terms of character personality and moveset.

I'd want my weapon wielder to be Shadow anyway. >.> Conker's cool, though.

Basically, that's how we got Yooka-Laylee (and that new game called Tamarin, which I think is a GFG spiritual successor).

I said this in the BK thread, but I don't want the current Rare to make the next Banjo-Kazooie game. I'd rather it be someone like Retro (unlikely as it is) or an indie studio like Gears For Breakfast or Playtonic (ironically enough).

Yeah, same. They just don't have the right people for the job. When it comes to remakes, stuff like QoL changes are nice, but it's important to not forget what made the original game charming. You don't need to update it to some new mechanical standards either. Keep the core mechanics, but improve on them carefully. You're supposed to be appealing to the original fans as well, after all.

 

[StormC]

Smash Ultimate was probably the last time the Rare team will work on Banjo content in a video game.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Smash Ultimate was probably the last time the Rare team will work on Banjo content in a video game.

Teeeechnically they sort of made Banjo content after Smash
I get what you mean though

 

[Deleted member]

I'd want my weapon wielder to be Shadow anyway. >.>

If Shadow got in with a moveset based on his game, his trailer must be a shot for shot remake of the intro cutscene but with Mario instead of Sonic or it was all a waste.

 

[Fenriraga]

Basically, that's how we got Yooka-Laylee (and that new game called Tamarin, which I think is a GFG spiritual successor).

I said this in the BK thread, but I don't want the current Rare to make the next Banjo-Kazooie game. I'd rather it be someone like Retro (unlikely as it is) or an indie studio like Gears For Breakfast or Playtonic (ironically enough).

Yeah, literally nobody from the Golden Age of RARE that matters anymore is still there. It's a completely different company with completely different ideals. They couldn't make a new Banjo/Conker game to save their lives, and that's fine, because that's not what they're setting out to do.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Banjo & Kazooie or Golden Age Rare.

 

[SKX31]

Don't forget Dixie Kong: Guitar Hero, where she jams with the greatest hits from Kongo Falls.

Don't tell Batman about Dixie Kong though.

If Shadow got in with a moveset based on his game, his trailer must be a shot for shot remake of the intro cutscene but with Mario instead of Sonic or it was all a waste.

His Final Smash has to be him Chaos Control-ing the caught opponent(s) back to the start of Westopolis.

So they have to play through that stage again.

 

[Herocin]

As unlikely as I think KOS-MOS is, I’m pretty sure that Sakurai picked off a list that Nintendo gave him.

At the end of the day, it was still Sakurais decision. Characters like Joker and Terry show this.

That’s exactly what I meant... If Kosmos never appeared on this list which may be the case then Sakurai most likely had no opportunity to convince Nintendo to put her on there. Her only chance is if Nintendo picked her which may not have been the case and even then its not even certain that Sakurai loves Kosmos so much that he’d try to get her in the game

Oh yeah, Sakurai totally had no influence on who got in, that's why three of the characters come from series Sakurai really loves. I find it too much of a coincidence that Nintendo were the ones who picked Joker & Terry when those are two characters that Sakurai really really loves.

Either Sakurai had more influence than he said he had or Nintendo created a list of characters that fit Sakurai's interest.

You should have really read the comment instead of being ridiculously ignorant and seemingly attempting to charge into an argument blindly as it really can backfire. Sakurai did have a say on characters in the fp. Sakurai has standards like everyone does for instance they must have moveset potential and originate from video games. I was saying he had no say on who Nintendo picked which he then picked from. And Sakurai had no reason to say anything about his say in the DLC characters. The main thing he was trying to say anyway was that he dodnt want people tagging him or anyone else directly associated with the game anyway so he had no reason to say Nintendo picked the DLC for him to pick from in the first place which by extension proves he has no reason to lie which then means he had as much say as he said

 

[perfectchaos83]

That’s exactly what I meant... If Kosmos never appeared on this list which may be the case then Sakurai most likely had no opportunity to convince Nintendo to put her on there. Her only chance is if Nintendo picked her which may not have been the case and even then its not even certain that Sakurai loves Kosmos so much that he’d try to get her in the game

Honestly, we don't even know how Nintendo selected things. It may have even just been a list of companies or series. We'll honestly never know.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I doubt Nintendo handed Sakurai a list of companies. For one, that's never been how characters are chosen. And it seems kind of dumb from Nintendo, if they were adamant enough about deciding that they gave Sakurai a list in the first place, to give him so much leeway. There probably isn't as much profit in a Bahamut Lagoon character as in a Dragon Quest character.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

At most Nintendo could've looked at companies and chose a select few from each ones to look at, but purely via companies? That doesn't make much sense. Sakurai already said Nintendo chose the "characters" and he decided if they would work or not. It's far more plausible they gathered a bit list. I doubt Sakurai cared much about some company quota too, since that's not really his style of things. Nintendo might've attempted a quota, but who knows on their part. They're more of a wild card in comparison.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I doubt Nintendo handed Sakurai a list of companies. For one, that's never been how characters are chosen. And it seems kind of dumb from Nintendo, if they were adamant enough about deciding that they gave Sakurai a list in the first place, to give him so much leeway. There probably isn't as much profit in a Bahamut Lagoon character as in a Dragon Quest character.

The idea behind this is that Nintendo's list was "These are companies we're willing to negotiate with", though that'd demand another list so yeah

 

[MooMew64]

Corrin's moveset is neat.

Corrin themselves are...Uh...

 

[NintenRob]

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Qualifies is a total understatement. I think it'd be great if she got in for tons of reasons! She's a villain. She's a hero. She's retro. She's iconic. She's recognizable. She's a pop culture phenomenon. She was and still is the prime example of her respective genre. She has history with Nintendo. She has multigenerational appeal and she never faded into obscurity; in other words, she's always been relevant. She has countless games they can reference in her moveset. She is so wacky and such a great thief, she could introduce ridiculous mechanics/features like stealing moves and stage platforms, and distorting the sound of other character's audio/speech. She's a rare example of a character that can break the 4th wall and reference the real world that would still fit into Smash. Everything from her stage, music, and spirit battles would be super awesome. And now for the copy/paste.





To be honest, Carmen could be anywhere, let alone Japan! Jokes aside, at least she had a game set in the location.



More importantly, one of the best things to come out of the Netflix reboot is Shadowsan...



And I wouldn't be surprised if he'd make the series more popular out there, whenever they turn Netflix Carmen into a game. But what makes Carmen so interesting is that she'd represent all of us because she's global. The series is great because it tries to teach a little something about the whole world.

Though speaking of Japan... here's a song I'd like to get remixed:

Well said, it's a shame she's so overlooked for such an iconic character.

But then again, Lara Croft used to be a nobody among Smash Fans but I've slowly seen more and more people seriously consider her

 

[StormC]

My viewpoint on Corrin remains the same: if they weren't Smash 4 DLC, they'd probably be an Ultimate newcomer anyway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My viewpoint on Corrin remains the same: if they weren't Smash 4 DLC, they'd probably be an Ultimate newcomer anyway.

Ehhhh FE typically does the new game and 3H was planned for a 2017 release so I doubt it

 

[Schnee117]

Corrin would be better if we got something more riveting than "Good" as a victory line.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Corrin would be better if we got something more riveting than "Good" as a victory line.

Yeah, the line clearly belongs to Zelda.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I got K. Rool, Erdrick, and Banjo-Kazooie so that means my wants are gospel and 100% accurate. Tune in 2020 when Geno takes the stage.

2020:
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I never bet my account on Geno getting in. I bet it on Sora.

I also wouldn't bank on Geno. He ain't guaranteed by any means.

Knowing my luck, Sora'll get in and Geno will be a costume, so I'll have to stay on this hell site.

 

[MooMew64]

2020 is The Year of Gooigi.

It's gonna be his time, just watch.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

2020 is The Year of Gooigi.

It's gonna be his time, just watch.

Honestly, he should star in a Nickelodeon show. He can provide his own slime~

 

[Cosmic77]

Gooigi would be a pretty cool Echo, or maybe even a semi-clone.

The only beef I have with his inclusion is what series he would be filed under, because he's only made appearances in Luigi's Mansion games. I think Luigi's Mansion is big enough to be treated like a separate series like Wario and Yoshi, but I also don't think Luigi should be removed from the Super Mario franchise.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The only beef I have with his inclusion is what series he would be filed under, because he's only made appearances in Luigi's Mansion games. I think Luigi's Mansion is big enough to be treated like a separate series like Wario and Yoshi, but I also don't think Luigi should be removed from the Super Mario franchise.

If Dr. Mario can be considered a "Super Mario" character despite that title referring to Mario platformers, Gooigi could too.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gooigi would be a pretty cool Echo, or maybe even a semi-clone.

The only beef I have with his inclusion is what series he would be filed under, because he's only made appearances in Luigi's Mansion games. I think Luigi's Mansion is big enough to be treated like a separate series like Wario and Yoshi, but I also don't think Luigi should be removed from the Super Mario franchise.

What the hell is the 'appearances' as in plural you're talking about

 

[Deleted member]

I never bet my account on Geno getting in. I bet it on Sora.

I also wouldn't bank on Geno. He ain't guaranteed by any means.

Knowing my luck, Sora'll get in and Geno will be a costume, so I'll have to stay on this hell site.

If you really wanted off the site, you'd just delete your account immediately.

 

[Deleted member]

How would you react if the next Smash fighter was the Kid from “I Wanna Be The Guy”?

 

[Cosmic77]

If Dr. Mario can be considered a "Super Mario" character despite that title referring to Mario platformers, Gooigi could too.

I know, but at least Dr. Mario is still the same character. Yoshi and Wario are known better for their Super Mario appearances, but they were still separated anyways. Luigi is the only character who has an active spinoff series and hasn't been separated, and I'm torn between thinking he should stay with Super Mario and thinking he should be given a Luigi's Mansion division, assuming characters from the Luigi's Mansion games start getting added.

What the hell is the 'appearances' as in plural you're talking about

The 3DS remake was Gooigi's first game, followed by LM3.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I know, but at least Dr. Mario is still the same character. Yoshi and Wario are known better for their Super Mario appearances, but they were still separated anyways. Luigi is the only character who has an active spinoff series and hasn't been separated, and I'm torn between thinking he should stay with Super Mario and thinking he should be given a Luigi's Mansion division, assuming characters from the Luigi's Mansion games start getting added.

Dr. Mario was also the star of his own series, and had better reasons for a new icon.

Unless Gooigi is a semi-clone, seems easier to file under Super Mario. And by semi-clone, I mean there to heavily represents Luigi's Mansion. On the other hand, all of the LM content just as easily fits under Super Mario. And I doubt Luigi would get a new icon, but it could happen.

I'm leaning towards him being put under Super Mario myself, but you never know what could happen. I feel it's lucky Yoshi got his own symbol. And he's not nearly as separated as Wario is either.

 

[Garteam]

E. Gadd sending Gooigi back to the events of Luigi's Mansion 1 so he could train for Luigi's Mansion 3 officially makes Gooigi the Trunks of Super Mario.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

How would you react if the next Smash fighter was the Kid from “I Wanna Be The Guy”?

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I wouldn't complain as long as the accompanying music included (at least some variation of) this track:

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Meh, I think if Alph couldn't get his own slot as an echo, Gooigi would probably be under the same classification with him and Crafted Yoshi as just an alt. Him and Dry Bowser would fit better as alternate costumes than echos or separate characters for me.

 

[blackghost]

I'm not referring to Rare characters in general. I'm just saying people really exaggerated how unique Banjo would be, which is why I would've preferred the fanbase backing someone else.

Just an opinion. You're free to disagree.

and that, in a nutshell, remains the most interesting part of character selection in dlc.
a unique character or character mechanic is seen as "not fitting into smash" by some fans
but a character like banjo has no unique traits gameplay to offer. despite the hate hero gets and ridiculous attempts at banning, hero is still played a lot more than banjo in tournament play. the fighting game characters and bayonetta retained a strong playerbase that is loyal to a fault to these characters BECAUSE they are unique.

goes to show that often fans dont actually know what they want they just think they do.

 

[SKX31]

E. Gadd sending Gooigi back to the events of Luigi's Mansion 1 so he could train for Luigi's Mansion 3 officially makes Gooigi the Trunks of Super Mario.

Does this mean that Luigi's Mansion 4 will be about King Boo sealing E. Gadd away in a Groundhog Day esque loop before travelling back in time to LM 1's Bowser body, hiding there before revealing himself to LM 1 Luigi at the final boss and defeating him? Forcing LM 4 Luigi into a hectic race against time (and a warped mansion) to get to the Boo Games, where LM4 King Boo has fused with LM1 King Boo and the 50 Boos?

How would you react if the next Smash fighter was the Kid from “I Wanna Be The Guy”?

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Would definetely like the addition - especially if Sakurai finds a way to incorporate the apples giant cherries somehow.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So as it stands were potentially looking at two possible dates for January.

The 6th and the 16th (When the next amiibos arrive). I'm leaning more towards the latter. So another hopefully 3 weeks until we know who FP5 is.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm not referring to Rare characters in general. I'm just saying people really exaggerated how unique Banjo would be, which is why I would've preferred the fanbase backing someone else.

Just an opinion. You're free to disagree.

Almost like characters aren't just functions.

 

[RouffWestie]

Almost like characters aren't just functions.

"After long consideration, I came to the conclusion that characters are just functions, so we really never needed such a big roster." - Masahiro Sakurai, 2022, during his first interview for Super Smash Bros. Infinite

 

[Mushroomguy12]

"After long consideration, I came to the conclusion that characters are just functions, so we really never needed such a big roster." - Masahiro Sakurai, 2022, during his first interview for Super Smash Bros. Infinite

"Don't worry, the starting roster is exactly the same as Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. We've just removed all the unlockable characters."

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So as it stands were potentially looking at two possible dates for January.

The 6th and the 16th (When the next amiibos arrive). I'm leaning more towards the latter. So another hopefully 3 weeks until we know who FP5 is.

the former for me

Splatoon 2 getting an update SIX MONTHS after Final Fest is a big deal, I'd think