Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Fenriraga]

Jub Jub for Smash. Make him a Kirby Echo. That's how it works, right?

I love how I can't even find a decent resolution picture of old Jub Jubs because of how dang long ago it was.

 

[Lamperouge]

@Noipoi @Shroob @Smashing Ramen I'm sorry, but I must abandon the way of Padoru.

I assure you that it is for a worthy cause.

Scum like you were never worthy to bear the mark of Padoru.

Our numbers may grow weaker, but our resolve shall never falter.

 

[MBRedboy31]

All I know about Neopets is that lots of girls grew up with it and learned how to program with HTML because of it, and that the creators of it were Scientology members.

So, uh, aside from the latter, I'd be okay with Neopets in Smash.

If you’re wondering, it’s owned and run by different people nowadays. It got bought out by Viacom, and then later got bought out again by JumpStart (resulting in the entire staff team getting replaced by different ones,) and then later on JumpStart itself got bought out by NetDragon.

 

[P.Kat]

I have decided that I will not rest until this song gets into Smash:

Impressive, I see your song, but I Summon this song:

Spoiler

Which also allows me to Special Summon this song:

Spoiler

I end my turn.

No love for Ori?
All of you are monsters!

Didn't know who they were, fixed that, and I can honestly say I want them in Smash.

Not tomorrow

Not after breakfast

Now!

 

[Plank08]

I just wanted to come back here for a second to say the following message.
GOOD FREAKING RIDANCE SABI, KEEP YOUR TERRIBLE PERSON AND LEAKS AWAY FROM SMASH BROS

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Isn't Adelene such a meme in the Kirby community for explicitly not getting into Kirby games?

Every week you'd see on /v/ "IT'S HER TIME!!!!!" for Star Allies and she was one of the last ones to be actually put in the game.

She has been completely absent from the franchise (not even a cameo) for almost 20 years. When they announced the Dream Friends feature for Kirby Star Allies, people started to ask for her return, and it was legit, not a meme. The memes/making fun of fans started because the Kirby Twitter posts were filled with Adeleine requests, even in completely unrelated posts, and some people were annoyed by this. But the demand for her was real, and her reveal video became trending on Twitter other than being the Dream Friend video with the most views and likes.

Nowadays it's a lot more normal to see her in games and promotional stuff, so people don't make a big noise for her anymore, but she's still a liked character in the community as far as I know... she's not even a memed character, most memes are about Marx, Magolor, Kirby with a knife, and some others.

By the way, so far, excluding cameos, she has been in three main games, playable in one and half (in Kirby 64 she was only playable in minigames). That's totally average (or even a little above) for a Kirby side character, especially considering the 18 years hiatus.

She also cameos in Super Kirby Clash.

I find it extremely funny that they placed her near the amiibo statue, because when you activate the statue there is that music from Adeleine's cutscene in Kirby 64.
Also maybe it's just me, but the process of scanning an amiibo and getting materials from it makes me think of Adeleine giving you food and 1ups in Kirby 64 (not to mention that the real world amiibo "transforming into" in-game content is like the opposite of a drawing becoming real, so I see a sort of conceptual connection between the two things).

 

[Deleted member]

I just wanted to come back here for a second to say the following message.
GOOD FREAKING RIDANCE SABI, KEEP YOUR TERRIBLE PERSON AND LEAKS AWAY FROM SMASH BROS

Yo why'd you have a big blowup like that?

 

[Idon]

Hey, can we keep leaker drama off the thread that's supposed to be talking about Smash newcomers?

THANKS.

 

[BZL8]

Whatever leaker drama there is, I don't think the thread or the boards need to dragged into this after the last ****storm.

 

[SneakyLink]

On the whole "drama" topic:

Spoiler

I feel as though we've gone through too much of it recently. What we need is a diversion...

 

[BZL8]

I bought and played Trails in the Sky. Estelle Bright for Smash. That's all.

 

[ZelDan]

Welp, since Christmas Vacation is coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be radio silence followed by a bunch of leaks on the final days of the vacation

Quite frankly it'd be nice timing to get some actually worthwhile leaks or a Nintendo Direct sometime early to mid January, just to make the final days of my Christmas Break less depressing.

 

[Plank08]

Yo why'd you have a big blowup like that?

I’m not actually blowing up irl, I’m just happy that Sabi is finally gone from speculation, she’s only made it worse

 

[DarthEnderX]

I bought and played Trails in the Sky. Estelle Bright for Smash. That's all.

She's so dope.

 

[KatKit]

I bought and played Trails in the Sky. Estelle Bright for Smash. That's all.

Awww, yeah. It's been awhile since I posted one of these. It's time for another relevant Estelle Bright quote (#51)

Feel free to join the Nihon Falcom Support Thread! Trails is coming to Switch, so that's neat lol.

BTW... let us know when ya beat the game! I could use a good cry.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I bought and played Trails in the Sky. Estelle Bright for Smash. That's all.

As someone who is near obsessed with the Trails series, I'm always happy to see someone join. Falcom are definitely one of the greatest worldbuilders in all of fiction with the games and I will defend my opinion until the end of time.

And yes Estelle slightly over Rean for Smash.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

We definitely aren't getting anything until January at this point. If memory serves correctly even Smash 4 pics of the day were dropped during holiday season. A character reveal would be a huge thing to plan for and execute during a long period of break.

 

[BZL8]

As someone who is near obsessed with the Trails series, I'm always happy to see someone join. Falcom are definitely one of the greatest worldbuilders in all of fiction with the games and I will defend my opinion until the end of time.

And yes Estelle slightly over Rean for Smash.

I've played Cold Steel. The first thing I've noticed is that Sky's writing is miles better and the cast of Sky makes a better first impression IMO. If it keeps that level of writing and characterization, it is most certainly going to become my favorite Falcom game.

 

[P.Kat]

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Scum like you were never worthy to bear the mark of Padoru.

Our numbers may grow weaker, but our resolve shall never falter.

Padoru?

On the whole "drama" topic:

Spoiler

I feel as though we've gone through too much of it recently. What we need is a diversion...

Quick what's that behind you?

But seriously how this, Sakurai asks you to add up to five songs from a video game to Smash, which songs would you pick?

 

[Wrathful_Scythe]

Awww, yeah. It's been awhile since I posted one of these. It's time for another relevant Estelle Bright quote (#51)

Feel free to join the Nihon Falcom Support Thread! Trails is coming to Switch, so that's neat lol.

BTW... let us know when ya beat the game! I could use a good cry.

Is it a good game to check out after Xenoblade 2? Noticed recently that I had it on Steam for quite some time now but never got to it as I struggle with motivation when it comes to JRPGs.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I've played Cold Steel. The first thing I've noticed is that Sky's writing is miles better and the cast of Sky makes a better first impression IMO. If it keeps that level of writing and characterization, it is most certainly going to become my favorite Falcom game.

Admittedly I still haven't played Trails in the Sky. I would have bought it for PS Vita but for some reason only the second game is on there.
I do love Cold Steel 1 & 2 though. Without a doubt one of my favourite games of all time.

Is it a good game to check out after Xenoblade 2? Noticed recently that I had it on Steam for quite some time now but never got to it as I struggle with motivation when it comes to JRPGs.

I don't know about Trails in the Sky but Cold Steel is a slow burn. After Xenoblade 2? Hell Yes!

 

[BZL8]

Admittedly I still haven't played Trails in the Sky. I would have bought it for PS Vita but for some reason only the second game is on there.
I do love Cold Steel 1 & 2 though. Without a doubt one of my favourite games of all time.

Cold Steel was my first Falcom game, so it will always have a special place in my heart, but I feel that Sky's cast blows Cold Steel's out of the water. That's my opinion though, but I see why several consider Sky as Falcom's and LOH's magnum opus.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I’m definatly thinking the cacodemon thing might be legit

You got to remember the ken leak was real and that never got taken down they might be doing the same strategy they realize if they take down leaks that would just lock it real theynprobably learn from smash 4 is where I’m going

And then pokemon leaks that was extremely close to release of the game the ken leak was not close to release

Now I’m not saying it’s real I’m just saying we might need to consider all possiblities this is one of them

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Cold Steel was my first Falcom game, so it will always have a special place in my heart, but I feel that Sky's cast blows Cold Steel's out of the water. That's my opinion though, but I see why several consider Sky as Falcom's and LOH's magnum opus.

It is an amazing series, without a doubt. Music, characters, battle systems, worldbuilding and more. I remembering discovering the series three years ago as I got into another series at the same time; Hyperdimension Neptunia. The Three Trails Artwork of the main characters of Trails proudly hangs on my wall.

Quick Story about how I got into Trails (and Hyperdimension Neptunia):

So early October 2016; Final Fantasy XV, my most anticipated game of the generation was a month and a half away. In college one of my friends was leaving soon. So he was telling my friend, an older rough looking fella, about anime he should get into. He had his laptop in one day and during lunch I watching him play Hyperdimension Neptunia. A bit of back and forth came about so he told me to watch the anime.
I came home and started watching it. I was in love in Neptune, my future Goddess Noire and co. Neptunia was a nice optimistic thing to watch for me.
Next day I bought Rebirth 1 for the PS Vita and after about two weeks of playing it and completing I felt....... unsatisfied. The game was simply ok. The characters though gave it heart. I still revisit the Gamindustri crowd when I am going through a bad time via the games or the anime. I wish I could actually visit the world for a day.

So I looked for new games. I checked out Trails of Cold Steel all because of Don't be Defeated battle theme from the game appeared in my recommendations list on YouTube. I listened to it and my mind was blown. This was me hearing what I thought was the greatest piece of music since You Will Know Our Names from Xenoblade.
A few days later I bought the game for about £25 for Vita from a second hand game store. First week of November this was.
I fell in love with the series. Then I hit a roadblock on a boss in the Nord Highlands. FFXV came out and the game fell to the wayside. I vowed to complete Cold Steel 1 and 2 one day.
Until this year. I bought the remasters and finally beat them. I was ecstatic. Class VII and co are amazing characters that I cared about and in a sense had a life that I sort of wish I had, just as much as Kino from Kino's Journey (The character in my profile pic.). The latter being a sense of freedom that I want to get and more simplicity in the world. If I got further into that though, it'll lead into rambling about politics and philosophy which is not why I'm here.
As for Trails though now with every game that takes place there in Zemuria, I cannot wait to join it. Bring on the next game!

That was a story I wanted to tell the internet. Just thought here to my fellow Falcom fans would do.

 

[Fenriraga]

I’m definatly thinking the cacodemon thing might be legit

You got to remember the ken leak was real and that never got taken down they might be doing the same strategy they realize if they take down leaks that would just lock it real theynprobably learn from smash 4 is where I’m going

And then pokemon leaks that was extremely close to release of the game the ken leak was not close to release

Now I’m not saying it’s real I’m just saying we might need to consider all possiblities this is one of them

It's certainly interesting that no one has come out and straight confirmed/de-confirmed it, if nothing else. While we do know it's possible to mod them in, it required quite a bit of work to match the quality of the leak. I'm still of the belief that if it's fake, they went through a LOT of hoops to make it seem real.

This isn't really in the same boat as the Ken leak, though. Modding wasn't a possibility then, for obvious reasons, so until we get something that can shed more light on it, be it from other leaks or Nintendo themselves, it's pretty much in limbo until further notice. Can't really be discussed thoroughly yet.

 

[KatKit]

Is it a good game to check out after Xenoblade 2? Noticed recently that I had it on Steam for quite some time now but never got to it as I struggle with motivation when it comes to JRPGs.

The first Trails in the Sky is roughly 30-40-ish hours, give or take. It's relatively short. It is very text-heavy and it focuses on world building and character development. With that being said, Trails is phenomenal at what it does right; it's one of the best series in the genre, IMO. Its continuity is bonkers; very minor things said by a random NPC could actually be foreshadowing for future events like 4 games later. The series encourages you to explore and talk to every NPC consistently, and you are rewarded for it; dialogue depends on story progression and it is constantly updated for everyone.

The combat uses a turn-based grid system; there's a tactical element to it. Positioning is important; you can move characters away from enemy's attacks and vice versa. Turn order is very flexible; if you play wisely, you can prevent enemies from attacking by slowing them down, speeding yourself up, interrupting their turn, activating special attacks to prioritize your turn, etc. Enemies have physical and elemental weakness that you can try to exploit, but you have to analyze them first; that's kind of like Persona. Later games add new mechanics like summonings, power-ups, and team-based attacks. Overall, it's pretty fun and easy enough to get the hang of. Combat improves/evolves with each new installment.

Cold Steel adds a bonding system; events change depending on who you hang out with. It has a ton of replay value.

Nihon Falcom are known for their music and Trails has some bangers like:

Spoiler: Here's another

The overall story is well written. There is so much to enjoy. Everything from intimate moments like two people having fun, to optional in-universe books you can collect, etc. There's tons of action, suspense, political intrigue, social commentary, romance, comedy, and so on. And ALL OF IT IS RELEVANT. Everything is connected. There are plot twists all over the place. And those plot twists have plot twists. And just when you think you have it all figured out, next thing ya know, you're casually sipping tea with the all of the main antagonists. There's even a high-stakes fishing minigame subplot that spanned multiple games that ended up being way more entertaining than it had any right to be.

Part of the reason I taught myself another language as a teen was so that I can enjoy this series in its entirety lol. It is that good. Though it takes a little time because there's a lot of world building, but when shiola hits the fan, it hits hard. The first Trails made me cry; The 3rd made me cry; the Trails of Cold Steel games probably did it once or twice (I'm not done); Ao and Second Chapter was just AMAZING.

NPCs or otherwise, there are countless lovable characters. More importantly, they know how to write likeable protagonists. Estelle Bright is testament to that, for example.

You might not have the motivation to play an RPG, and I can understand that. But this is a fantastic game in general that is worth checking out. If it's not for you, that's okay. Though nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

[wynn728]

I’m definatly thinking the cacodemon thing might be legit

You got to remember the ken leak was real and that never got taken down they might be doing the same strategy they realize if they take down leaks that would just lock it real theynprobably learn from smash 4 is where I’m going

And then pokemon leaks that was extremely close to release of the game the ken leak was not close to release

Now I’m not saying it’s real I’m just saying we might need to consider all possiblities this is one of them

It doesn't matter if the Cacodemom and Mallow Mii Costume leak is real or not, because doesn't mean a character is certain.

If it's real then it's entirely possible that those costumes are coming with Mii Costumes of Doomguy and Geno. Sakurai doesn't have a problem with Mii Costumes being the way to represent characters.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

But seriously how this, Sakurai asks you to add up to five songs from a video game to Smash, which songs would you pick?

For a game from a franchise that's already represented:

Spoiler: Final Fantasy 14 (Actual, legit spoilers here)

Nightbloom (Tsukuyomi Phase 1 Theme) [Lunacy (Phase 2) is also great too though.]

A Light in the Storm (Pharos Sirius Theme)

Beauty's Wicked Wiles (Sri Lakshmi's Theme)

A Long Fall (The Twinning Theme)

Locus (Alexander Raid Series general boss Theme)

For a totally new game/franchise:

Spoiler: Surprise! It's Phantasy Star Online - Episode I & II!

Trick Track Part 2 (VR Spaceship Combat Theme)

Pioneer 2 (Pioneer 2 Theme)

'IDOLA' Have the Immortal Feather (Olga Flow Phase 1 Theme)

From Seeing the Rough Wave (De Rol Le Theme)

Cry for 'IDOLA' the Holy (Dark Falz Phase 3 Theme)

and a couple of bonus ones.

From Phantasy Star Online Episode III - C.A.R.D. Revolution
'IDOLA' - The Strange Fruits

From Burning Rangers (though it has basically been adopted as a Phantasy Star song by this point)
Burning Hearts, Burning ANGEL (Burning Rangers Theme)

Spoiler

I know, I know... It's so, so Predicabo.

 

[Ben Holt]

Jub Jub for Smash. Make him a Kirby Echo. That's how it works, right?

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I love how I can't even find a decent resolution picture of old Jub Jubs because of how dang long ago it was.

I had a Baby Jub Jub years ago when I was 10. Lol.

 

[Deleted member]

So a few days ago people were talking about music as DLC? I would absolutely love to have some music DLC if priced right so here's my pitch and idea for it shall I? So the music comes in packs of 12 songs a piece with each pack priced around .75 cents some a little higher with most packs having at least 2-3 remixes. Here's some random pack ideas to get you a feel of what I'm thinking:

Spoiler: Pack #1: Touhou (.75 cents)

1) Maiden's Capriccio
2) Maiden's Capriccio (Remix)
3) Love Colored Master Spark
4) U.N Owen was her? (Remix)
5) U.N Owen was her?
6) Beloved Tomboyish Girl (Remix)
7) Akugatawa Ryuunosuke's "Kappa" ~ Candid Friend
8) Touhou 1-5 medley (Remix)
9) Necrofantasia (Remix)
10) Septette for the Dead Princess
11) Theme of Eastern Story
12) Bad Apple (Remix)

Also two things to clarify 1) ZUN is really lax with his property so if Sakurai came up to him to ask for some music I'm fairly certain he'd give him the opportunity to make some remixes or even ZUN remixes some himself and 2) Again Sakurai has a lot of pull so I'm sure ZUN would bend his hesitation on mentioning anything related to Touhou pre-EoSD.

Spoiler: Pack #2: Wario franchise (.75 cents)

1) Body Rock (Remix)
2) Tomorrow Hill (Remix)
3) Drifting Away (Remix)
4) Wario De Mucho/Final Boss - Warioware Gold (Remix)
5) Greenhorn Forest
6) Greenhorn Forest (Remix)
7) Hurry Up! (Remix)
8) Boss Battle -Wario Land 3 (Remix)
9) Captain Syrup's Shop
10) Syrup Castle - Wario Land (Remix)
11) Vs. The Shake King
12) Launchpad Labyrinth (Remix)

Again a lot of Remixes due to it being a Nintendo franchise

Spoiler: Pack #3: Jet Set Radio (.75 cents)

1) Humming the Bassline -Jet Set Radio/Jet Set Radio Future (Remix)
2) Yellow Bream
3) Everybody Jump Around
4) Up-Set Attack
5) Electric Toothbrush
6) Funky Radio
7) Recipe for the perfect Afro
7) Grace & Glory
8) The Concept of Love
9) Teknopathetic (Remix)
10) Victory Beat
11) Sweet Soul Brother

Spoiler: Pack #4: Final Fantasy ($1 dollar)

1) Final Fantasy 1-3 Medley (Remix)
2) Main Theme - Final Fantasy 4
3) Bombing Mission
4) Those who Fight
5) Barret's Theme
6) One Winged Angel
7) One Winged Angel (Remix)
8) J-E-N-O-V-A
9) Dancing Mad
10) Terra's Theme
11) At Zanarkand
12) Fight against Culex

This one is admittedly a pipe-dream but man more FF Music would so be worth paying at least a dollar if not more it's so good.

So y'know this kinda stuff I think I'd definitely buy it and the best part is it could be from anything to anywhere: Already represented franchises? Yep more music, Obscure franchises? Yep, First and Third party music? Indeed. It'd be grand.

 

[pupNapoleon]

So far my top picks for the next character, specifically:

- Agumon
- Rayman
- Spyro
- Scorpion
- Crash
- Lara Croft
- Frogger
- Angry Birds
- Jill Valentine

 

[Wrathful_Scythe]

The first Trails in the Sky is roughly 30-40-ish hours, give or take. It's relatively short. It is very text-heavy and it focuses on world building and character development. With that being said, Trails is phenomenal at what it does right; it's one of the best series in the genre, IMO. Its continuity is bonkers; very minor things said by a random NPC could actually be foreshadowing for future events like 4 games later. The series encourages you to explore and talk to every NPC consistently, and you are rewarded for it; dialogue depends on story progression and it is constantly updated for everyone.

The combat uses a turn-based grid system; there's a tactical element to it. Positioning is important; you can move characters away from enemy's attacks and vice versa. Turn order is very flexible; if you play wisely, you can prevent enemies from attacking by slowing them down, speeding yourself up, interrupting their turn, activating special attacks to prioritize your turn, etc. Enemies have physical and elemental weakness that you can try to exploit, but you have to analyze them first; that's kind of like Persona. Later games add new mechanics like summonings, power-ups, and team-based attacks. Overall, it's pretty fun and easy enough to get the hang of. Combat improves/evolves with each new installment.

Cold Steel adds a bonding system; events change depending on who you hang out with. It has a ton of replay value.

Nihon Falcom are known for their music and Trails has some bangers like:

The overall story is well written. There is so much to enjoy. Everything from intimate moments like two people having fun, to optional in-universe books you can collect, etc. And ALL OF IT IS RELEVANT. There are plot twists all over the place. And those plot twists have plot twists. And just when you think you have it all figured out, next thing ya know, you're casually sipping tea with the all of the main antagonists.

Part of the reason I taught myself another language as a teen was so that I can enjoy this series in its entirety lol. It is that good. Though it takes a little time because there's a lot of world building, but when shiola hits the fan, it hits hard. The first Trails made me cry; The 3rd made me cry; Trails of Cold Steel probably did it once or twice (I'm not done); Ao was just REALLY GOOD.

You might not have the motivation to play an RPG, and I can understand that. But this is a fantastic game in general that is worth checking out. If it's not for you, that's okay. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Sounds like something I want to check out.

I've played few JRPGs through to the end. Grandia, Tales of Vesperia, Final Fantasy 7, Persona 4, SMRPG, Ni No Kuni 2 (this one was especially boring)... lost interest for all of them after 8-10 hours or so. FF7 I even began and quit multiple time. Bonkers, I know. The only JRPGs I finished are Final Fantasy 8,10 and Neptunia Rebirth 1-3, the latter of which I still can't believe that I made it through them. Even 100% completed the first two. Not proud of that one.

The thing with JRPGs is that they usually take some time until they really grip you and Xenoblade 2 is a major example for that. I got the game with my Switch (together with BotW and Odyssey) seeing all the stellar reviews and everyone being in awe about this seemingly perfect game and boy did I hated it. I spend 12 hours with it and after realizing that I was forcing myself to play the game, I just quit. Up until a week ago that is, where I forced myself to finish this game. Now I am at the 35 hour mark and I love it.

The story feels like a drag up until you hit chapter 4 or 5 but thats not surprising as characters need to be introduced and the world needs to be build up. Though, some story encounters feel more like pandering than being elemental for the plot.

The fighting system, at least in the beginning, is the worst offender and just feels terrible for the first 20 hours or so. Its slow and clunky with the MMO-like auto hit system, where you spend a lot of time waiting until you can cancle into your abilities. Every random encounter takes way to long, even with the right combos and all, as enemy health is to high. You've won the battle by the time your healer outheals the enemies DPS so there is no reason for the enemies to have this much HP. It gets better later on, when you start fights with abilities and certain blades allow to refresh abilities on a crit but damn does the game take its time until the players gets some real interactivity going. The sidequests are also terrible. I've done 5 or so and it just was a chore.
Additionally:

Spoiler

Nia getting the shaft? Boo.
The order is Nia > Hikari > Morag >>> Homura. Fight me!

Now don't get me wrong, those problems vanish after you have spend significant time and the game truly shines in the endgame but I am surprised that so few people, at least from what I have seen, have had similar problems with the game like me. 20 hours is a significant time investment for a game to start getting good. Though, maybe is par for the course for JRPGs.

Well, thats it for my little off topic rant so uhm... Rex for Smash, yo!

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

It's certainly interesting that no one has come out and straight confirmed/de-confirmed it, if nothing else. While we do know it's possible to mod them in, it required quite a bit of work to match the quality of the leak. I'm still of the belief that if it's fake, they went through a LOT of hoops to make it seem real.

This isn't really in the same boat as the Ken leak, though. Modding wasn't a possibility then, for obvious reasons, so until we get something that can shed more light on it, be it from other leaks or Nintendo themselves, it's pretty much in limbo until further notice. Can't really be discussed thoroughly yet.

Do you have any links to hats of similar quality being modded into Ultimate? I never saw any.

 

[Koopaul]

And in terms of roster, they absolutely cut corners in order to bring everyone back, and as a result they had very little time to add in many newcomers. You must realize that not everyone wanted returning veterans over new characters, so with so few newcomers initially added (some of which being questionable) there's lots of room for some people to call Ultimate incomplete.

The issue is that it's entirely subjective when the game is "complete". To some people the game would be complete once it adds Geno and Isaac. But then someone else could say "no it also need Dixie and Shantae, then it's complete" then someone else say it needs Crash Bandicoot, another chimes in and says Waluigi, Doom Slayer, Shrek! It goes on and on and on! You can't please everyone. There will always be a character left out that someone wanted, even if there are over a thousand fighters! It has to end at some point. When it's complete it's complete. Take it or leave it.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

The issue is that it's entirely subjective when the game is "complete".

So quit complaining when people say it's incomplete.

 

[Koopaul]

That's an ironic statement.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

That's an ironic statement.

No, this is ironic:

The issue is that it's entirely subjective when the game is "complete". To some people the game would be complete once it adds Geno and Isaac. But then someone else could say "no it also need Dixie and Shantae, then it's complete" then someone else say it needs Crash Bandicoot, another chimes in and says Waluigi, Doom Slayer, Shrek! It goes on and on and on! You can't please everyone. There will always be a character left out that someone wanted, even if there are over a thousand fighters! It has to end at some point. When it's complete it's complete. Take it or leave it.

 

[Idon]

No, this is ironic:

I believe this was worded poorly.

I'm going to assume he meant that eventually support for the game will end at some point and whether or not you like the state of the game is in when that support ends, you're going to have to accept its end one way or another.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah I've seen quite a few people say the game is complete before we even knew the full roster. Snake, Ridley and K.Rool were easily the biggest characters revealed for base game as people thought Snake would never return

 

[ZelDan]

If we are basing completeness based on all most wanted characters and iconic characters making it into Smash, almost no Smash game could ever be considered "complete."

if we are basing completeness based on content, then Ultimate has the most characters, stages, music, items, etc., and has probably had way more sweat and work put into it than many other games of this gen or perhaps just of all time.

There are criticisms to be had with Ultimate. It being "incomplete" isn't one of them.