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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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yeet123

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It's not so unreasonable to believe Nintendo and/or Sakurai to just deem it more useful to devote that time fully to making new characters rather than fitting some clones here or there.
Sure, but they're obviously easier to make and would be very succesful regardless. So many opportunities for characters:

- Diddy/Dixie
- Bayo/Jeanne
- Yoshi/Birdo
- Captain Falcon/Black Shadow
-Shiek/ Impa
- Mega Man/ Proto Man
- Inkling/Octoling
-Palutena/Medusa
 

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I'm not sure to understand why some of you are calling the game "incomplete" because of 2 or 3 fan favorite that are missing. This is by far the most complete Smash games that we have. And let's be honest, when those 2-3 will be in them game (if it happen), people will just find 2-3 more characters that are not in and called them "fan favorite". This will literally never end. Also I don't recall people saying that Brawl was incomplete because Ridley, Isaac, Banjo and Geno where not playable, or nobody call Mario kart 8 incomplete because Diddy kong is not here. Sure, having fan favorite is cool, but that doesn't make the game not finish.
 

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- Diddy/Dixie
I thought you would writhe at the thought of Dixie ever having clone properties of Diddy.

- Captain Falcon/Black Shadow
I wonder if Legendary spirits ever count as a thought Sakurai had of certain characters being possibly playable. Like Alucard, Geno, Lyn, Isaac, that type of stuff. Black Shadow is one of these spirits, so perhaps it's crossed his mind.

Then again, I don't think we're going to be seeing Minawa as a playable character so maybe it's just me having stupid theories and hoping.
 

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It needs to go away. It's annoying to see all the time and it saddens me to see dismissing/insulting old people become the cool thing to do.
It sadden me to see oversensitive old people blaming everything on me for **** I have no control of, and extremely sadden me to see someone like you defending them

Also, it’s a meme dude, chill

Because echoes still require time, money, and manpower despite the fact that their entire purpose is to be "filler" characters, not to mention they require superflous side content to be made for them as well such as classic mode and amiibos.

It's not so unreasonable to believe Nintendo and/or Sakurai to just deem it more useful to devote that time fully to making new characters rather than fitting some clones here or there.
Never understood why so many people want to pay for filler content, for no other reason because “it was underutilized!”
 
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game is incomplete until my own personal most wanted is in. you cannot say everybody is here without a style savvy fighter. Flyboy Flyboy where the gang at
Smash without Style Savvy is barely Smash at all. It's empty and all the content, all the fighters, all the modes, and all the game worlds mean nothing without the addition of the > two-million-selling first party juggernaut that is Style Savvy. I don't even know why I BOUGHT Smash without them confirming a Style Savvy character! What was I thinking?!
 
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Smash without Style Savvy is barely Smash at all. It's empty and all the content, all the fighters, all the modes, and all the game worlds mean nothing without the addition of the < two-million-selling first party juggernaut that is Style Savvy. I don't even know why I BOUGHT Smash without the confirming a Style Savvy character! What was I thinking?!
elma gang.. no.... ring a ding gang
 

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me when i hear ring a ding on final destination

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I thought you would writhe at the thought of Dixie ever having clone properties of Diddy.
I just want a playable Dixie.

She is literally a Diddy clone with a better jump. Just swap out the peanut gun w/ a bubble gum one, and give her Diddy's old rapid jab
 

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I thought you would writhe at the thought of Dixie ever having clone properties of Diddy.


I wonder if Legendary spirits ever count as a thought Sakurai had of certain characters being possibly playable. Like Alucard, Geno, Lyn, Isaac, that type of stuff. Black Shadow is one of these spirits, so perhaps it's crossed his mind.

Then again, I don't think we're going to be seeing Minawa as a playable character so maybe it's just me having stupid theories and hoping.
It's certainly possible - there are loads of references in the Spirits and their battles. TV Tropes' Mythology Gag page for Ultimate lists them all, like Geno's having 10 000 power (in a reference to Geno Whirl) or Black Shadow's presumably referencing the "Ganondorf's moveset fits Black Shadow" idea.

Smash without Style Savvy is barely Smash at all. It's empty and all the content, all the fighters, all the modes, and all the game worlds mean nothing without the addition of the > two-million-selling first party juggernaut that is Style Savvy. I don't even know why I BOUGHT Smash without them confirming a Style Savvy character! What was I thinking?!
 

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I just want a playable Dixie.
:ultdarksamus: i once understood your desire :ultdarksamus:

Just swap out the peanut gun w/ a bubble gum one, and give her Diddy's old rapid jab
Give her Tiny's weapon from DK64, it's a nod to the fact that they're related.

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It's also a constant reminder that somehow Dixie is older but Tiny Kong has ****ing honkers now what the **** Nintendo

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there was someone on this forum who modeled tiny kong with ridiculously sized honkers and it threw me for a loop
 
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It sadden me to see oversensitive old people blaming everything on me for **** I have no control of, and extremely sadden me to see someone like you defending them

Also, it’s a meme dude, chill
I'm not defending their actions for the same reason I don't condone the meme; it's not cool to hate an entire generation because individuals that give you grief are apart of it.

me when i hear ring a ding on final destination
How'd you get it on Final Destination?

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there was someone on this forum who modeled tiny kong with ridiculously sized honkers and it threw me for a loop
Something about her face reminds me of something and I find it unsettling. I have no idea what it reminds me of though. Other than that though I quite like the design, though it would be incredibly out of place outside of...Is this from Barrel Blast?
 

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Give her Tiny's weapon from DK64, it's a nod to the fact that they're related.
not a bad idea at all.

id personally prefer the nod to Tropical Freeze tho




also this could be her Final Smash:

 
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It's certainly possible - there are loads of references in the Spirits and their battles. TV Tropes' Mythology Gag page for Ultimate lists them all, like Geno's having 10 000 power (in a reference to Geno Whirl) or Black Shadow's presumably referencing the "Ganondorf's moveset fits Black Shadow" idea.
Yeah but some of these Legend Spirits definitely don't fit this idea.


While they are either upgraded Spirits (Elincia and Daroach) or crafted (A.S.C.), they do hold significance in their games/series, so maybe that's why they're put up as Legend spirits. Don't ask me on why the Master Cycle is one though, I have no goddamn clue why he decided to make it one.

Is this from Barrel Blast?
Mario Super Sluggers
 
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Though I have heavy doubts it'll happen, it would be incredibly crazy if the next DLC lineup after FP5 is revealed to be a part of the current Fighter Pass instead of a 2nd Fighter Pass. The ideal scenario would be that slot for FP5 being revealed but after a few seconds zooms out and shows more slots being added.
 
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Don't ask me on why the Master Cycle is one though, I have no goddamn clue why he decided to make it one.
Link on a Motorcycle was going to be the new Zelda Mario rep but was cut in favor of Piranha Plant due to licensing issues surrounding the Hyrule Circuit music.
 

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Though I have heavy doubts it'll happen, it would be incredibly crazy if the next DLC lineup after FP5 is revealed to be a part of the current Fighter Pass instead of a 2nd Fighter Pass. The ideal scenario would be that slot for FP5 being revealed but after a few seconds zooms out and shows more slots being added.
Yeah, I doubt that simply due to the fact they'd be giving more characters without netting any further profits from it since the pass has a set price. I don't think they'd be giving freebies. I see it as either a new pass with set price or they will ditch the pass branding and the characters will be standalone like Smash 4 from this point on. But we'll see.
 

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Link on a Motorcycle was going to be the new Zelda Mario rep but was cut in favor of Piranha Plant due to licensing issues surrounding the Hyrule Circuit music.
master cycle for smash

making its support thread as we speak
 
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I'm not sure to understand why some of you are calling the game "incomplete" because of 2 or 3 fan favorite that are missing. This is by far the most complete Smash games that we have. And let's be honest, when those 2-3 will be in them game (if it happen), people will just find 2-3 more characters that are not in and called them "fan favorite". This will literally never end. Also I don't recall people saying that Brawl was incomplete because Ridley, Isaac, Banjo and Geno where not playable, or nobody call Mario kart 8 incomplete because Diddy kong is not here. Sure, having fan favorite is cool, but that doesn't make the game not finish.
Bold of you to assume people on this site actually know how game development works instead of just staring at the CSS. Being unfinished usually implies that the game is an unplayable glitchy mess, but sure some character being absent from funny party game makes it unfinished.
 

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I used to think the same of Simon Belmont, but I was terribly wrong. I don't think Shantae has been requested since the Brawl era on the levels of Geno or Isaac, but I don't think her presence should be discarded. If I wanted to place Shantae in an arbitrary category, I'd classify her as the long-lived indie pick. Nothing definitive, just that she's been as such for so long that it's half her appeal I'd say.

If you really want to see if she is or isn't a Brawl want, I'd investigate the forums for old posts and see if they mention Shantae back in '06 or '07.
She’s been requested as long as Shovel Knight has. Not fair to say that she’s the long lived indie request. Yeah she’s been around longer but don’t kid yourself if you think her support didn’t start with the ballot.
 
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Yeah, I doubt that simply due to the fact they'd be giving more characters without netting any further profits from it since the pass has a set price. I don't think they'd be giving freebies. I see it as either a new pass with set price or they will ditch the pass branding and the characters will be standalone like Smash 4 from this point on. But we'll see.
Yeah it's why I really doubt it. Unless they decide to up the price for the Fighter Pass after the announcement, there isn't a reason to do it other than being super generous to people who already own the Fighter Pass.
 

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She’s been requested as long as Shovel Knight has. Not fair to say that she’s the long lived indie request. Yeah she’s been around longer but don’t kid yourself if you think her support didn’t start with the ballot.
I didn't mean long-lived indie request, I meant long-lived indie character.

She's been an indie character for about 20 years now, probably one of the longest-lived that I can think of outside of Reimu maybe? Is Touhou even indie? I don't know jack **** about it so maybe someone can answer that for me.
 

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I used to think the same of Simon Belmont, but I was terribly wrong. I don't think Shantae has been requested since the Brawl era on the levels of Geno or Isaac, but I don't think her presence should be discarded. If I wanted to place Shantae in an arbitrary category, I'd classify her as the long-lived indie pick. Nothing definitive, just that she's been as such for so long that it's half her appeal I'd say.

If you really want to see if she is or isn't a Brawl want, I'd investigate the forums for old posts and see if they mention Shantae back in '06 or '07.
I tried looking up any threads back for Brawl and I found this thread.
 

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Yeah but some of these Legend Spirits definitely don't fit this idea.


While they are either upgraded Spirits (Elincia and Daroach) or crafted (A.S.C.), they do hold significance in their games/series, so maybe that's why they're put up as Legend spirits. Don't ask me on why the Master Cycle is one though, I have no goddamn clue why he decided to make it one.
Seriously though: Master Cycle is also crafted (from Mach Rider, City Trippier, Excitebike and an Attack core) and no other Mario Kart Spirits are Legend-Class. That's probably why.

Link on a Motorcycle was going to be the new Zelda Mario rep but was cut in favor of Piranha Plant due to licensing issues surrounding the Hyrule Circuit music.
#MasterCycleforSmashandBotW2
 

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At least Muramasa was brought over to the PS Vita, right?

Right?



I will shut up now...
As someone with a PS Vita (if only because I won it from Taco Bell), yeah, I love it on Vita with its DLC.
Granted, the two Vita games I want ported to Switch most are it and Persona 4 Golden.
 

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Seriously though: Master Cycle is also crafted (from Mach Rider, City Trippier, Excitebike and an Attack core) and no other Mario Kart Spirits are Legend-Class. That's probably why.
i knew he was one already, but i just wanted to make the joke

funny to see dark daroach of all kirby characters be a legend spirita but bandana dee is suffering in puny Ace class
 

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Looks interesting cmbsfm cmbsfm

Seems she was at least a niche idea for Brawl era before her big boom of a comeback in recent years.
Wow, a support thread with one page! She sure had a fanbase back then.

I don’t see how this contradicts my original point. Geno and Isaac has massive followings back then. Her following didn’t become big until the ballot. A one page support thread from the Brawl days means jack****.
 

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I'm just saying if there's one "indy" character comparable to Shantae who is truly a long-term fan request it's gotta be Travis Touchdown, yeah?
 

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Weird idea of the day:

We've discussed digital pets, but how about something... new.*

Something like...

I never got into it myself, but I did know people that were fans way back when.
And the thing is still going (in some form) 20 years later...

Not exactly what I'd want, granted, but it's out there enough that I would at least get amusement out of it.

*New to Smash at least... Property is actually old, but I just really needed to play off of the 'neo' bit. :-(

I didn't mean long-lived indie request, I meant long-lived indie character.

She's been an indie character for about 20 years now, probably one of the longest-lived that I can think of outside of Reimu maybe? Is Touhou even indie? I don't know jack **** about it so maybe someone can answer that for me.
Highly Responsive to Prayers came out in '96 and is as indie as indie gets.

Umihara Kawase came out in '94 if you want to count that (Personally, I'd say if Shantae counts, Kawase does as well).
 
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I'm not sure to understand why some of you are calling the game "incomplete" because of 2 or 3 fan favorite that are missing. This is by far the most complete Smash games that we have. And let's be honest, when those 2-3 will be in them game (if it happen), people will just find 2-3 more characters that are not in and called them "fan favorite". This will literally never end. Also I don't recall people saying that Brawl was incomplete because Ridley, Isaac, Banjo and Geno where not playable, or nobody call Mario kart 8 incomplete because Diddy kong is not here. Sure, having fan favorite is cool, but that doesn't make the game not finish.
As long as Shrek and Spongebob are missing, the game remain incomplete.
 

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I don’t see how this contradicts my original point.
It doesn't, I just wanted to tag you because it was interesting.

Geno and Isaac has massive followings back then. Her following didn’t become big until the ballot. A one page support thread from the Brawl days means jack****.
I agree with you. I never played a Shantae game, doesn't look to be my type of game. Just wanted to make a comment because I do that.
 
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