Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Please save 'boomer' for the age group it belongs to; we don't need to turn into an empty insult. It needs to retain its power!

It needs to go away. It's annoying to see all the time and it saddens me to see dismissing/insulting old people become the cool thing to do.

 

[Deleted member]

I've heard that Namco are the masters of compressing but, honestly, do we need more than 11? We're quickly reaching that point where almost all the long time favorites are in.

Well Sakurai did crazy things in the past before so I’m guessing yes

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Once Isaac and Geno are in, maybe Shantae, then we're done with long time requests and anything else is gravy.

Until then, Smash still feels incomplete. More than we expected or deserved, partially for the fans, sure, but incomplete.

You forgot Dixie Kong.

 

[Wunderwaft]

18 and im already a boomer

time flies

I've been called both a boomer and a zoomer by different people. At this point I can't take anyone who says these buzzwords seriously.

 

[yeet123]

You forgot Dixie Kong.

- OG Nintendo series
- OG Nintendo Heroine
- unique play style
- DK is underrepped
- Tropical Freeze is the best 2d platformer ever made and sold better on switch (while being more expensive) than on WiiU

She's my most wanted 1st party rep

 

[DarthEnderX]

When it's not Sabi being dog-piled on, it's Fatman. It'll also be Jon when he says things people don't like.

Yeah, who would have thought a bunch of people in a character speculation thread would complain about fake leaks and the leakers who fake them...

Since when did the board start talkin' bout death threats? Damn...the wait is really getting worse and worse...

I don't think we did. I think we're just being strawmanned by a fanboy.

That's what they want you to think. This is how TOP SECRET can win.

HELL YEAH! Nathan Spencer for Smash!

 

[Will]

HELL YEAH! Nathan Spencer for Smash!

classic spencer or dreads mggee?

 

[Wigglerman]

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classic spencer or dreads mggee?

Funnily enough I don't hate the dreads version of Spencer, makes him look less generic 90's comic guy. But if the Commando gets in at all, it'd take either. Ain't gunna be picky.

 

[yeet123]

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classic spencer or dreads mggee?

I'd only be ok with this addition if the character's name was "Spencer & Wife"

 

[Will]

Funnily enough I don't hate the dreads version of Spencer, makes him look less generic 90's comic guy. But if the Commando gets in at all, it'd take either. Ain't gunna be picky.

Knowing Sakurai, he picks older designs usually.
Either that or we just got lucky for not getting Kojima Simon.



I don't trust this guy to be a vampire killer, I trust him to run a bdsm dungeon.

 

[DarthEnderX]

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classic spencer or dreads mggee?

I mean, that's Rearmed Spencer, not Classic Spencer, but Rearmed all the way.

 

[Will]

I mean, that's Rearmed Spencer, not Classic Spencer, but Rearmed all the way.

Speaking of older designs.



WHERE IS IT SAKURAI

 

[Wigglerman]

Speaking of older designs.

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WHERE IS IT SAKURAI

As angular as we remember. No remastering the look! I want blocky snake!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

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classic spencer or dreads mggee?

I think Spencer's new design is stronger, but the character itself is much less liked. Bionic Commando probably needs another reboot so that people remember more about it than "his arm is his wife? Why?".

As angular as we remember. No remastering the look! I want blocky snake!

And don't forget to not give him eyes!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Speaking of older designs.

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ahem

 

[Will]

As angular as we remember. No remastering the look! I want blocky snake!

There are so many retro designs I want in playable in Ultimate because I'm a ****ing sucker for it.

Link
Loto Hero
MGS1 Snake

Marth without pants.



You can't go wrong with Marth without pants.

ahem

he don't count

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Once Isaac and Geno are in, maybe Shantae, then we're done with long time requests and anything else is gravy.

Until then, Smash still feels incomplete. More than we expected or deserved, partially for the fans, sure, but incomplete.

The game was “complete” the moment the base roster was finished. Everything else at this point is a bonus.

Wanting newcomers is fine, but calling the entire game “incomplete” because your most wanted didn’t get in completely undermines the amazing efforts put in this game.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Speaking of older designs.

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I would rather have Tuxedo Snake tbh.

 

[Wigglerman]

I would rather have Tuxedo Snake tbh.

Active Camo Snake.

 

[Will]

I would rather have Tuxedo Snake tbh.

project m has too much quality alternate costumes that makes me sad that it isnt real

 

[KillerCage]

Besides Dust, there is ANOTHER indie (kinda) character that survived Vergben's slaughter.
The "kinda" is referring to the fact that he's owned by Microsoft

Spoiler: Another Survivor

I think this is a fair depiction of his escape process.

 

[yeet123]

As angular as we remember. No remastering the look! I want blocky snake!

There are so many retro designs I want in playable in Ultimate because I'm a ****ing sucker for it.

N64 skins for the OG Smashers would be legendary

 

[Wigglerman]

project m has too much quality alternate costumes that makes me sad that it isnt real

That can be my only dream if we get another Smash is they go all out with costumes. It stinks they only do it with a select few characters. The fact Mario gets several alts but not many others do is so sad. I'd love for them to give every character at least one alt. Maybe their current with a 'retro' alt or something. If BOTW Link had some of his costumes from the game, for example even, that'd have been a fun nod. So on and so forth.

 

[Deleted member]

The game was “complete” the moment the base roster was finished. Everything else at this point is a bonus.

Wanting newcomers is fine, but calling the entire game “incomplete” because your most wanted didn’t get in completely undermines the amazing efforts put in this game.

Actualy he’s right, the game is incomplete.

 

[KatKit]

Bionic Arm vs. Falcon Punch would be super hype.

Since we're talking about alternate costumes, I always love whipping this out. I even added a couple of new ones since the last time I posted this:


: NES artwork
: Pants-less Marth
: Christmas costume or better yet, his police crossdressing outfit
: Rosa (her mom), or her nun outfit (I love how she's a witch but great with kids and canonically a nun)
: costume based off of Starfox 2 on the SNES
: Any of her Mario Party 2 costumes
: Hyrule Warriors
: Bart Lemming (Yes, Captain Falcon owns a restaurant)
: Tokyo Mirage Sessions
: Ameri-Ken
: Sunglasses wearing Squirtle Squad guy (red headband is optional)
: Gandrayda or Military harness/gloves/short ponytail
: Naturally, Cloud in a dress
: Detective Pikachu. Ryan Renold soundclips are optional
: Biker outfit
: Red Bull Ryu or that hot bearded one
: Incomplete Dark Samus
: Realistically, some combat armor from BoTW... but ideally, this or his Magical Rupee Armor from Twilight Princess
: Mecha Mewtwo
: This
: Possessed Symphony of the Night Richter
: Literally any one of these
: Old guy Snake
: James McCloud sunglasses (follow me, Fox!)
: Red jumpsuit
: Tuxedo w/ tophat
: Mark of the Wolves
: Suit and Dragon Kazooie
: The Sonic jumpsuit or (preferably) Jet Set Sonic
: Redesign based on Fitness Boxing
: A Kimono
: Skyward Sword Zelda since she made me cry

Realistically... a palette swap creator would be nice at the very least. I think such a feature should be bundled with a Style Savvy rep.

 

[MooMew64]

Smash does do DLC costumes like other fighting games, it's just all for the Miis.

 

[Will]

: Pants-less Marth

See, she ****ing gets it. She understands the importance of no pants Marth.

Who doesn't wanna have Marth get an upskirt shadow like Peach?

 

[Cosmic77]

Mario Kart Tour has a lot of awesome alts that I know will never make it into Smash.

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[Wigglerman]

Bionic Arm vs. Falcon Punch would be super hype.

Since we're talking about alternate costumes, I always love whipping this out. I even added a couple of new ones since the last time I posted this:


: NES artwork
: Pants-less Marth
: Christmas costume or better yet, his police crossdressing outfit
: Rosa (her mom), or her nun outfit (I love how she's a witch but great with kids and canonically a nun)
: costume based off of Starfox 2 on the SNES
: Any of her Mario Party 2 costumes
: Hyrule Warriors
: Bart Lemming (Yes, Captain Falcon owns a restaurant)
: Tokyo Mirage Sessions
: Ameri-Ken
: Sunglasses wearing Squirtle Squad guy (red headband is optional)
: Gandrayda or Military harness/gloves/short ponytail
: Naturally, Cloud in a dress
: Detective Pikachu. Ryan Renold soundclips are optional
: Biker outfit
: Red Bull Ryu or that hot bearded one
: Incomplete Dark Samus
: Realistically, some combat armor from BoTW... but ideally, this or his magical rupee armor from Twilight Princess
: Mecha Mewtwo
: This
: Possessed Symphony of the Night Richter
: Literally any one of these
: Old guy Snake
: James McCloud sunglasses (follow me, Fox!)
: Red jumpsuit
: Tuxedo w/ tophat
: Mark of the Wolves
: Suit and Dragon Kazooie
: The Sonic jumpsuit or (preferably) Jet Set Sonic
: Redesign based on Fitness Boxing
: A Kimono

Realistically... a palette swap creator would be nice at the very least. I think such a feature should be bundled with a Style Savvy rep.

I had been praying to the powers that be that Ganon would adopt his Hyrule Warriors look in some capacity for Smash Ultimate, maybe even reworked to represent that version. I love the wild lion mane Ganon look so much.

 

[Will]

I had been praying to the powers that be that Ganon would adopt his Hyrule Warriors look in some capacity for Smash Ultimate, maybe even reworked to represent that version. I love the wild lion mane Ganon look so much.

L'Oreal Ganon is one of if not Ganon's best design. It's like the Twilight Princess one but actually good to look at.

They clearly took notes too, Ganon seems to have long hair in BotW2

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Sakuari needs a vacation. The game is already perfect; I'd be happy with 5 left and I hope for his sake (as well as the rest of the team) it doesnt go beyond that. I understand wanting to milk it and get as much possible since demand is there (its not like they're doing this when nobody wants it), but they've got plenty of other franchises to either create anew or expand upon.

Like Mario Party....this is the first Mario Party I've ever owned....why can't it get DLC?

If he's happy making the game still and it's still making money hand over fist, is there any reason to not continue? Sakurai has mentioned that he's the most relaxed he has been while working on Smash with this DLC cycle, which makes sense given he doesn't have the pressure of an entirely brand new title on him (and this is after Ultimate seems to have overall been much easier on him too... relatively speaking to past titles). Like, sure, Sakurai could take a break. But after working like this basically non stop for nearly 30 years moving between project and project with all of his passion behind it, he's probably not really the one to take some long extended break anyway. And I mean, have you seen the way he presents these new DLC fighters? The man loves his job and video game culture, and now he's able to really build both a massive legacy that will be difficult to top and work with some of his favorite IPs, so I do think the break narrative gets a little exaggerated.

I doubt that Smash takes any money away from other projects if it's well and truly making all the crazy amounts of money it is. Best selling fighting game, best selling console game in Japan of this entire decade, and DLC sales that have apparently been insanely good all mean that Nintendo has the money to keep supporting it until it's time for the next Smash to roll around.

Sadly, Super Mario Party is kind of a terrible base to build DLC on, so I understand why they've likely just chosen a proper sequel.

I've heard that Namco are the masters of compressing but, honestly, do we need more than 11? We're quickly reaching that point where almost all the long time favorites are in.

Of the old guard, sure, a lot of fan favorites have gotten in, but of the newer generation? There's a ton of fan favorites post the Brawl era that remain unexplored and not in the game, and that's without even mentioning the fact that there are so many interesting and creative directions to take character choices beyond fan favorites. I mean, we in a literal sense don't need any more character beyond Fighter's Pass #5, but there's plenty of options for another 30, 40, or even 50 characters without even looking twice.

 

[Wigglerman]

L'Oreal Ganon is one of if not Ganon's best design. It's like the Twilight Princess one but actually good to look at.

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They clearly took notes too, Ganon seems to have long hair in BotW2

I can only like your post once. But know I wanted to mash it more. People of culture appreciate luxurious hair Ganon.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

The game was “complete” the moment the base roster was finished. Everything else at this point is a bonus.

Wanting newcomers is fine, but calling the entire game “incomplete” because your most wanted didn’t get in completely undermines the amazing efforts put in this game.

I don't agree with that. Is there no room for improvement once a game is released to the public? This can sometimes be the case, sure, but Ultimate was clearly made with time constraints and had to cut certain features to add for later patches. Are we to assume all those features are just fluff when they were in prior games?

And in terms of roster, they absolutely cut corners in order to bring everyone back, and as a result they had very little time to add in many newcomers. You must realize that not everyone wanted returning veterans over new characters, so with so few newcomers initially added (some of which being questionable) there's lots of room for some people to call Ultimate incomplete.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Knowing Sakurai, he picks older designs usually.
Either that or we just got lucky for not getting Kojima Simon.

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I don't trust this guy to be a vampire killer, I trust him to run a bdsm dungeon.

I prefer that design, and it looks great in SSF2.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Mario Kart Tour has a lot of awesome alts that I know will never make it into Smash.

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I would definitely pay for certain character ALTs. I know like 95% of the Smash fanbase would outright buy Dry Bowser or Mr. L if they happened.

 

[Will]

I would definitely pay for certain character ALTs. I know like 95% of the Smash fanbase would outright buy Dry Bowser or Mr. L if they happened.

Better be a damn costume pack, I don't wanna widdle away my wallet 75 cents at a time.

 

[yeet123]

Im still baffled as to why "Echoes" havent been utilized more. Why not make a cheaper echoes pass to tide fans over and give the devs time to work on original character dlc?

Like if they dropped an Echoes Pack w/ 4-5 characters in Jan id shutup about Smash until post-E3

 

[cmbsfm]

Once Isaac and Geno are in, maybe Shantae, then we're done with long time requests and anything else is gravy.

Until then, Smash still feels incomplete. More than we expected or deserved, partially for the fans, sure, but incomplete.

Shantae isn’t a long time request. She only even got a support base because of the WayForward campaign during the ballot. No where near as long as Geno or Isaac.

 

[Idon]

Im still baffled as to why "Echoes" havent been utilized more. Why not make a cheaper echoes pass to tide fans over and give the devs time to work on original character dlc?

Like if they dropped an Echoes Pack w/ 4-5 characters in Jan id shutup about Smash until post-E3

Because echoes still require time, money, and manpower despite the fact that their entire purpose is to be "filler" characters, not to mention they require superflous side content to be made for them as well such as classic mode and amiibos.

It's not so unreasonable to believe Nintendo and/or Sakurai to just deem it more useful to devote that time fully to making new characters rather than fitting some clones here or there.

 

[Will]

Shantae isn’t a long time request. She only even got a support base because of the WayForward campaign during the ballot. No where near as long as Geno or Isaac.

I used to think the same of Simon Belmont, but I was terribly wrong. I don't think Shantae has been requested since the Brawl era on the levels of Geno or Isaac, but I don't think her presence should be discarded. If I wanted to place Shantae in an arbitrary category, I'd classify her as the long-lived indie pick. Nothing definitive, just that she's been as such for so long that it's half her appeal I'd say.

If you really want to see if she is or isn't a Brawl want, I'd investigate the forums for old posts and see if they mention Shantae back in '06 or '07.