Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[wynn728]

But it’s likley to happen him getting in

There are hundreds of third party characters and each one is just as likely as Dante, even the most unexpected ones like Joker and Terry.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Daily reminder that any Ultimate Student is still technically in the running for FP5.


(Likely won’t happen, but still)

 

[Icedragonadam]

Still predicting 2B here.

 

[Wigglerman]

I haven't even an ounce of an idea of who FP5 will be. Honestly just wanna know who it is already. At this point I'll feel no disappointment no matter who it is and just be elated we've got something new to experiment with.

 

[Deleted member]

There are hundreds of third party characters and each one is just as likely as Dante, even the most unexpected ones like Joker and Terry.

What characters are you expecting to be dlc?

 

[Wigglerman]

What characters are you expecting to be dlc?

Expect? None. It could be literally anybody. If the trend is 3rd party still, the options are almost countless. Same goes for if they pull a fast one and it's actually first party. There's just no way to feasibly narrow it down right now since we've no way to do so like we had in the last few characters. No accidental slip ups, no code names, nothing. We're at square one and pretty much have to take the 'wait and see' approach. Nintendo has been deathly secretive with this one.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

What characters are you expecting to be dlc?

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll toss my hat in the ring anyways.

For FP5? I have no idea at this point.

HOWEVER, if we are talking about post pass, given everything we have seen so far, this is who I think has a shot.

Ryu Hayabusa
Crash Bandicoot
Lloyd Irving
Reimu
Doom Slayer
Either Dante or Phoenix
Either Master Chief or Steve

 

[Deleted member]

Expect? None. It could be literally anybody. If the trend is 3rd party still, the options are almost countless. Same goes for if they pull a fast one and it's actually first party. There's just no way to feasibly narrow it down right now since we've no way to do so like we had in the last few characters. No accidental slip ups, no code names, nothing. We're at square one and pretty much have to take the 'wait and see' approach. Nintendo has been deathly secretive with this one.

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll toss my hat in the ring anyways.

For FP5? I have no idea at this point.

HOWEVER, if we are talking about post pass, given everything we have seen so far, this is who I think has a shot.

Ryu Hayabusa
Crash Bandicoot
Lloyd Irving
Reimu
Doom Slayer
Either Dante or Phoenix
Either Master Chief or Steve

I was Only asking him.

 

[Deleted member]

Fighter 5 is Mermaid Man:

 

[Wigglerman]

Fighter 5 is Mermaid Man:

EEEEEEVIL!!!!!

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I was Only asking him.

I know, I just wanted to cast my predictions.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Daily reminder that any Ultimate Student is still technically in the running for FP5.


(Likely won’t happen, but still)

Oh god oh **** Genocide Jack's gonna be our next dual wielding character

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Sega music pack is what I seek.

Streets of Rage music (Various tracks from the first and second game)

Jet Set Radio/Future

Ristar

Comix Zone

Zombie Revenge (There's a couple tracks from this spin off of HOTD that I'd love in the game)

Vectorman

Shinobi (Especially some of the PS2 game tracks)

Sonic (Still plenty of solid choices from his 16bit era)

Golden Axe

Panzer Dragoon or NiGHTS?

Gimme da muuuusic.

Anything that puts SEGA in the spotlight is welcome in general, but there really are a lot of great options for SEGA tracks.

For a small assortment:

Sakura Wars - Geki! Teikoku Kagekidan
Cyber Troopers: Virtual-On - From the Moon to Me*
Shining Resonance Refrain - Nichirin no Kirameki
The House of the Dead - The Magician's Theme
Kid Chameleon - Title Theme
Phantasy Star Universe - Save This World (Orchestral)**
Clockwork Knight - Clockwork Knight
Space Channel 5 - Spaceport: Introducing Ulala
Fighting Vipers - Look Out Below
Segata Sanshiro - SEGA Saturn Shiro!

*Yes, it is basically 'Moonlight Densetsu'... >_>

**It has to be the orchestral version. The vocal version is... kinda not good. Though that said, the only song from PSU that really stuck with me is 'With You', but that wouldn't really fit Smash. Same problem PSO2's best song, 'Eternal Encore' has.

I still say giving us Segata with a full selection of songs from SEGA's Saturn library is the best option though. >_>

 

[wynn728]

What characters are you expecting to be dlc?

Nobody. I don't have any expectations on who it's going to be. There's too many characters and we don't know if certain characters are on Nintendo's radar. As long as they're not a Nintendo character, Assist Trophy, Mii Costume, or Spirit then they have a fair shot on being the Fifth Fighter.

 

[StarBot]

Sega music pack is what I seek.

Streets of Rage music (Various tracks from the first and second game)

Jet Set Radio/Future

Ristar

Comix Zone

Zombie Revenge (There's a couple tracks from this spin off of HOTD that I'd love in the game)

Vectorman

Shinobi (Especially some of the PS2 game tracks)

Sonic (Still plenty of solid choices from his 16bit era)

Golden Axe

Panzer Dragoon or NiGHTS?

Gimme da muuuusic.

Great job on excluding Puyo Puyo, saving that series music when Arle gets in

 

[Deleted member]

Mornin'.

I just wish January was around the corner...

 

[Wigglerman]

Great job on excluding Puyo Puyo, saving that series music when Arle gets in

An oversight but honestly it's more because I've not played the Puyo Puyo series, I've only been a loser who played official clones (Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine/Kirby's Avalanch) XD

 

[RandomAce]

Mornin'.

I just wish January was around the corner...

It is, we only have like 2-3 weeks.

 

[Krankees]

What characters are you expecting to be dlc?

I'm open to anyone at this point but I'm still gonna root for my boy.

 

[StarBot]

Mornin'.

I just wish January was around the corner...

Do y'all celebrate Christmas or something

 

[KillerCage]

I am leaning toward Doom Slayer due to the discussion on his thread.

So i've been thinking about the Cacomallow leak, and i've had an epiphany. The main argument i've always heard going against Cacomallow was "Nintendo never took it down, so therefore it must be fake". Which is a great point, and I haven't really been able to refute it. At least until literally a couple seconds ago, thanks to some Google searching. Usually when people bring up the fact that the Ken leak never got taken down, someone would say that "Nintendo doesn't take down image leaks". Well that statement is 100% false, Nintendo HAS taken down image leaks before. They took down some Pokemon: Sword and Shield images on the EXACT date of the Cacomallow leak. Which that alone is pretty interesting, however, let's go back a bit. Remember when I said the Ken leak never got taken down? Well it's true, nothing ever happened to that leak. Which is incredibly strange, that leak came out a few months before the game came out and Nintendo never touched it. Meanwhile some Sword and Shield images leak, and they get taken down a few days later(during the release month of the game as well). Now i'm not saying this makes Cacomallow real, but I am saying that I don't really think the whole "Nintendo's gotta take it down, or it's fake" argument holds water anymore. Now Cacomallow does have video evidence as well, but I think if Nintendo doesn't do anything about a fighter leaking, then it's pretty reasonable to assume that they wouldn't do anything about costumes either.

Sources:
Pokemon images takedown: https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1191567033969889281/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1191567033969889281&ref_url=https://www.dexerto.com/pokemon/nintendo-copyright-pokemon-sword-shield-leaks-1222067

Ken leak article(it still has the image attached, and it's been well over a year): https://www.nintendo-insider.com/rumour-ken-leaked-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-screenshot/

It's also funny seeing everyone jumping straight to the "If it's taken down, it's confirmed" mentality, which further supports the Streisand Effect to the fullest extent.

If the Cacomallow leak happens to be taken down, 100% sure the leak will be considered real, which might confirm the next characters (and ruin the surprise for everybody).

American Nintendo is probably getting smarter with these leaks (And I'm pretty sure the Japanese Nintendo is the one claiming them without realizing the huge effect it causes... Remember, Japan has a different culture and mindset than us) and they are letting the leaks be there, to plant doubt in everybody, until the leaks are forgotten (Not many is discussing the leak anymore, except enthusiast believers)

Still believe the leak is real until the last DLC of the game comes and it's not Geno or Doomguy.

You know, from my view, the CacoMallow leak has Nintendo in a rock-and-hard-place type of situation.

If they take the leak down, they risk ruining the surprise depending on what context it has. It could be that there will just be those Mii Costumes. They could be bundled with post-Pass fighters like the much-affiliated Doom Slayer and Geno. They could be bundled with Fighter #5 as a wave of multi-company costumes like how Goemon (Konami) and Sans (Toby Fox) were Mii Costumes released with Banjo & Kazooie (Microsoft). We genuinely don't know the release schedule of the DLC for FP5 and beyond, thus we're still left in the dark.

On the other hand, if they keep the leak up for the world to see, then the memory of the leak is still implanted in the minds of viewers and ruins the surprise in a different manner. Like, think back to when Ken was revealed: people watching the reveal have instant flashes to the leak and clamoring about how the leak was true. That being said, the blow from ruining the surprise might be softened a little considering the leak has Mii Costumes and not actual new fighters, so we're not looking at an "ESRB Leak" type of situation where Shulk, Dark Pit, Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt were revealed to be playable with both screenshots and footage.

Now I'm sure what I represented is practically non-existent considering they didn't take down the Ken leak, but I feel that with this especially, this is really giving Nintendo one of the hardest Smash leak choices of its continuing existence.

I WANT Master Chief in Smash, but I think Doom Slayer has a greater shot and I wouldn't mind his inclusion at all.

 

[Knight Dude]

Do y'all celebrate Christmas or something

Yeah. There's always different stuff to check out when waiting for this or that.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I am leaning toward Doom Slayer due to the discussion on his thread.



I WANT Master Chief in Smash, but I think Doom Slayer has a greater shot and I wouldn't mind his inclusion at all.

Wow

Not only are we completely blind to FP5, but considering some of these rumors over the past few months for post pass?!?!?

Really excited for the next year of speculation.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So in the run up to celebrating what the internet once referred to as Chrimbo (anyone remember that?) what's been going on in Smash speculation? Or Smash in general?

 

[Garteam]

I honestly have no idea who's going to be Fighter #5, simply due to all the deconfirmations, but I'm gonna be bold and say Byleth.

 

[KatKit]

Still predicting 2B here.

Who's number 5 is irrelevant to me, but I do find it interesting that a new trademark has been filed for Nier. This most likely has something to do with its upcoming anniversary celebration, but it's interesting that it could mean a remaster is underway.

Now this is where speculation comes into play. A long time ago, I mentioned that the original Nier had a cancelled PSVita version in the making that was scrapped. I also mentioned how it wouldn't be surprising if it ended up becoming a Switch port, and/or if they created a remake, and also released it on the Switch. If this hypothetical remastered version is too powerful for the Switch, we could always end up with the cancelled PSVita port; if that happened, Nintendo would then have an exclusive on their hands. Anyway, when I first brought all of this up, it didn't seem likely at the time because Nier is an old game that was overshadowed by its predecessor Nier Automata. However, with the anniversary celebration on everyone's minds, more folks are asking for more original Nier. What does this all mean? Nothing really, but it's interesting that we might get more Nier games in some capacity, and that the series could very well have more of a Nintendo connection. Although the latter isn't important, it's still a talking point for detractors. More importantly, if Nier finally came on a Nintendo console, a good way to promote the series would be getting a character in Smash.

As for Nier Automata, the creators have been asking for a Switch port for years; the game's director, lead designer, and producer have all stated that they'd love to do it. There's also a lot of fan demand for it. Although they stated that ultimately, the decision is up to SquareEnix. However, we know that a SquareEnix board member/Dragon Quest/Nier producer asked Sakurai out for dinner, and also asked him to meet with Yoko Taro. Just a couple of guys who praise one another's life work; this totally has nothing to do with business as well. Fast forward a couple of months later, and Sakurai, the man in charge of the company (PlatinumGames) that developed Nier Automata, the director of it (Yoko Taro), a head honcho of the company (SquareEnix) that published it who also worked on Nier, and a couple of Dragon Quests guys from said company are all hanging out and doing a livestream in a couple of days. By the way, a similar get together like this happened for Dragon Quest, IIRC, and we know how that ended up panning out. But yeah... once again, 2B would be a great way to promote the series if she got into Smash.

Separately, this is a neat series of coincidences that I predicted almost step-by-step. I've even mentioned that they'd reach out to Sakurai because of past statements. Will 2B be fighter #5? Probably not, but there's still a lot going on behind the scenes. I see her getting in eventually. Even if we disregard all of this, she still has her modernity, popularity, critically acclaimed game, etc. to fall back on. We also know that Sakurai's a huge fan, which definitely doesn't hurt her chances. And for what it's worth, both companies that published and developed her game (PlatinumGames/SquareEnix) already have reps in Smash, and she already guessed starred in a game by co-developers (Bandai Namco) of Ultimate. We'll see how this all plays out in the following months. I'm just saying.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

you know who fighter 5 is gonna be? Not Layton, ahaa

 

[Michael the Spikester]

you know who fighter 5 is gonna be? Not Layton, ahaa

Or a Sony rep.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Or a Sony rep.

Or Sora

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I honestly have no idea who's going to be Fighter #5, simply due to all the deconfirmations, but I'm gonna be bold and say Byleth.

I really hope not.

But at least it looks like FP5 will probably be third party, considering the direction of the pass.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm torn. A Three Houses character would confirm Nintendo characters are on the table, but I feel like there are plenty of better options they could've went with. Plus, this would be our fifth new FE character over the course of two games.

Then again, I don't expect the next character to be anyone who'd appeal to my very specific taste anyway.

 

[Holphino]

I am leaning toward Doom Slayer due to the discussion on his thread.



I WANT Master Chief in Smash, but I think Doom Slayer has a greater shot and I wouldn't mind his inclusion at all.

As much as I really want Doomguy in Smash, I don't necessarily think he's likely. I do think he's got some great things going for him though, but he's also got some major things going against him. That's why this speculation period has been pure agony for me, as i'm sure it's been for many of you guys as well. I just want a direct answer if he's in or out, because not knowing is driving me insane.

 

[SNEKeater]

Thought about looking into the release dates of Devil May Cry 1 and 2 on the Nintendo Switch, to more or less estimate when DMC 3 might release, until I found out that the release date has already been announced; it being February 20, 2020. The cognitive gears began to turn, and I am beginning to feel convinced that our mysterious Fighter #5 of the current Fighters Pass might end up being Dante himself (despite all the deconfirms, yadda yadda). Firstly, we have Hideaki Itsuno's remarks in regards to Dante being brought to Super Smash Bros. In short he hypothesized that for Dante to be in Smash, Devil May Cry games would have had to have been released on Nintendo systems at some point.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019...m-needs-bring-series-nintendo-platform-first/

Very well. Months later, Devil May Cry (1) was ported to the Nintendo Switch on June 24, 2019. A few months later, Devil May Cry 2 was also ported to the Switch on September 19, 2019. And now we have Devil May Cry 3 coming up on February 20, 2020. Hmm, February... yes, that month. Back when Sakurai first announced the Fighters Pass during the November 2018 Smash Direct, within the announcement, in fine letters at the bottom it read that all sets of the Fighters Pass (Challenger Packs) would be released through the end of February 2020. I know some may brush off the idea of these game releases having any sort of meaning in relation to Dante potential coming to Smash Bros. Ultimate as a DLC fighter, but Itsuno's remarks, plus the subsequent ports of the Devil May Cry games tells me otherwise. Sure, by February 2020 we won't have all of the Devil May Cry games released to date (4, and 5), but the first three were the ones that were originally released within close time windows, AND were the games in which Dante was the main protagonist (Nero taking over from 4 and onward). And if that weren't enough, Nintendo might be playing the 5D chess game if this comes to pass.

Dante is a demon. In March 20, 2020 DOOM Eternal, and DOOM 64 will be coming to the Nintendo Switch. Exactly a month later. Bringing these pieces together, I can now imagine a double January Smash reveal. The reveal of fighter #5 would be Dante, slated to be released sometime around late January, or early February (a few days after the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Online Open Tournament that will take place between Feb. 1-2). As Dante's cinematic reveal nears the end, we get the surprise of the second reveal (maybe immediately after Dante's, or around the end of the Direct, continuing from Dante's reveal), we see Dante looking at the next new-comer; the first DLC fighter of the second wave; the Doom Slayer. Dante being a demon, and them both being in a hellish environment, the misunderstanding takes place and Doom Slayer charges towards Dante. Challenger Pack #5 = Dante from Devil May Cry. Challenger Pack #6 = Doom Slayer from DOOM.

This is just me speculating based on certain facts (Itsuno, Devil May Cry ports, release dates). This is by no means a rumor, nor leak. But I'm feeling confident about this possibility.

While I do not think that the release DMC3 means anything for FP5, your theory is a cool one. I could see a double reveal in a january direct, assuming we won't get FP5's reveal before, which I don't think is very possible right now.

In any case DOOM Eternal was delayed to march 2020 but if I'm right there's no confirmation that the Switch version will release at the same time that all the other ones. Also, I don't think game releases are a hint or a relevant factor for the DLC reveals.

 

[Deleted member]

I really hope not.

But at least it looks like FP5 will probably be third party, considering the direction of the pass.

That is the only thing I can assure will be 100% true. Considering all our DLC so far.

 

[Dark Bagel]

As much as I really want Doomguy in Smash, I don't necessarily think he's likely. I do think he's got some great things going for him though, but he's also got some major things going against him. That's why this speculation period has been pure agony for me, as i'm sure it's been for many of you guys as well. I just want a direct answer if he's in or out, because not knowing is driving me insane.

Yup, that's the double-edged effect of Smash's potential for inclusivity. Since practically every video game character who so much as breathed within a TV screen qualifies as a possible Smash candidate, the possibility of a TON of people's favorite characters getting in or not also comes with that. And since nobody truly knows how the final roster lineup will look until the last DLC character gets revealed, all anyone can do is wonder who MIGHT get in. And it's the constant guessing-game alongside the potential to MAYBE have a favorite finally make their smash debut that makes people uneasy throughout the whole speculation cycle. Add the recent radio silence for FP5, and that doesn't particularly help settle people's nerves. So I totally understand and sympathize with that feeling of anxiousness.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I am leaning toward Doom Slayer due to the discussion on his thread.



I WANT Master Chief in Smash, but I think Doom Slayer has a greater shot and I wouldn't mind his inclusion at all.

Here's how I see those arguments:

Trying to make sense of the actions of a large corporation, especially one as unpredictable as Nintendo, has rarely ever worked, if at all.

From what I understand, modders proved that the costumes could've been made up and were relatively easy to make, so in this case accepting Occam's Razor is much easier than crafting another "Nintendo has been playing 4 Dimensional Chess this entire time!" theory.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Or Sora

Or Amaterasu.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm torn. A Three Houses character would confirm Nintendo characters are on the table, but I feel like there are plenty of better options they could've went with. Plus, this would be our fifth new FE character over the course of two games.

Then again, I don't expect the next character to be anyone who'd appeal to my very specific taste anyway.

Well, it's not like post pass DLC has to follow the same methods of the Fighter's Pass. So they could have a LOT more Nintendo owned characters there.

As for this 5th character, probably a lot more likely to be third party again, but the last could very well Nintendo owned, it's not like we were told it could only be this or that. But you shouldn't want someone in just because they are owned by Nintendo. You should want them in because you like them.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Or Amaterasu.

*quietly sniffs*

also is your icon a Switch Mameshiba

 

[Knight Dude]

Saw some video about giving each character an echo fighter. Not that I think every character should get one(and to be honest, we got plenty for how large this game's roster is.)

But I will say Rock Howard would Terry's only real choice since he has a similar body shape and his moveset is as close to Terry as you can get. He'd be like Ken though, with most of his moves being off-shoots of Terry's.