Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Metal Shop X]

Which is really weird, and kind of hypocritical because every Mario game uses Bowser, who almost always kidnaps Peach in each game. But Donkey Kong, who's games don't release very often, can't have K.Rool back? And K.Rool, was a character who nearly had a new persona in each game that he was in. I don't think people would want Dedede, Ridley or Ganon to completely vanish either.

It's like people who complain about Sigma being in most MMX games, when his boss fights are usually pretty different too, I wouldn't mind more newer villains like Epsilon or Lumine, but Sigma's a great villain in his own right.

Idk about Sigma, while he can be really fun, the fact that he overtake the place of big bad and make anyone working under him complete fool kinda detract some potential cool stories that give our heroes real dilemma, instead of just “and then it was Sigma manipulating everyone ALL Along! " and then make the vilain look like a jobber.

Doesn't help some game try so hard to make it look like Sigma isn't involved, when anyone who played one X game can tell hours in advance he is the true mastermind (not counting X1, X5 and X8), and other don't even try and just shove him in at the end. (X6 looking at you)

To be clear, I like Sigma, but if there is a new X game, I hope Sigma won't be the one behind it all. If they could pull something like X8 again but better, then I won't mind seeing evil Buzz Lightyear again.

 

[Knight Dude]

Or maybe...

Fighter 5 is Terry Bogard. Also confirms the Milk-BOSATU leak - when they said Fighter 5 had already appeared, they meant literally.

Garou Terry Let's GO! Just give him Power Stream for a Desperation Attack.

 

[Shroob]

It's probably just GameExplain screwing around, their hints probably mean nothing. And regarding the recent fascination, he probably just played and liked the game recently, who knows. Recency bias is a thing.

Also if there was a Bernie echo I'd gladly beat him up.

Also if Joker's reveal resulted in barely anyone applauding, then if we get KOS-MOS expect a completely silent audience, along with several people here *****ing about "open mindedness".

People are going to applaud regardless, it's an award show. Joker didn't have people "Barely applauding", it was just people were trying to argue that people "Went absolutely mental", when it reality it was just standard, polite award show clapping. This isn't like Nintendo World where it's like 20 Jabronis in front of a TV who ham it up.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I should repeat again that the banner on the Smash site still has the new stickers on the fighter's tab. So hype responsibly on Thursday.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

People are going to applaud regardless, it's an award show. Joker didn't have people "Barely applauding", it was just people were trying to argue that people "Went absolutely mental", when it reality it was just standard, polite award show clapping. This isn't like Nintendo World where it's like 20 Jabronis in front of a TV who ham it up.

Either way, if it happens it's gonna be a very underwhelming reveal. Who exactly is gonna recognize her?

 

[Shroob]

Either way, if it happens it's gonna be a very underwhelming reveal. Who exactly is gonna recognize her?

Ask Terry and Hero, I'm sure they heard the same excuse.

 

[SKX31]

Another China update:

Not bad for selling into a country with an already scaled gray market and with only 1 (one) game at launch - due to the tough regulations that exist in China. https://t.co/66cdaKxjCO

— Dr. Serkan Toto / Kantan Games Inc. (@serkantoto) December 11, 2019

Some notes:

* The Switch is so far doing about as well in China as it did in the UK in its first week there. Pretty good due to the above stated reasons.

* While I'm a tad more positive about the Switch's chances there, Ahmad's forecast is entirely reasonable because of the obstacles.

* The grey market (Switches imported from other places like the Japan / US) might actually help the Chinese Switch. My reasoning is because many buyers of the Chinese one also have international Switches and local multiplayer between the two work without issue. It's easy for those owners to introduce others to the Switch and go from there.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Ask Terry and Hero, I'm sure they heard the same excuse.

Still more recognizable than KOS-MOS

 

[ErenJager]

If GameXplain's teases were hinting at real things, then we would also be getting Arle in Smash as well. Honestly, I wouldn't try to mix their own personal speculation with any inside information they may know.

There's slightly more to it then just Gamexplains guesses/ wants/ predictions being hints at what's to come.

So I watched this video a month ago. Typical background noise before bed, during it I noticed this sound byte it was very out of place and unrelatable to anything going on in the video at the time. Now this isn't an editing error or mishap. This is an intentionally added in sound byte with an added visual manipulation in the visual on screen. It's peculiar. I just wrote it off at the time because I didn't know what to think of it.

Fast forward to recent I rewatched it out of boredom and something to listen to. I was like Holy crap, this is super coincidental it happens right as the KOSMOS prediction happens, which it's been the buzz lately.

It's a strange thing to edit into the video because it's seemingly meaningless but it's also purposefully added into the video. This is unlike them and isn't something they do with every character prediction.

It's a curious oddity, and a serious coincidence, I strongly suggest giving it a listen.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Either way, if it happens it's gonna be a very underwhelming reveal. Who exactly is gonna recognize her?

I have no real opinion on KOSMOS but this is funny to me as people said the same about Terry yet the NYC crowd chanted Terry's nam before he even popped up

 

[Shroob]

Still more recognizable than KOS-MOS

Could have fooled me.


Thinking characters need to have a massive appeal is laughable when this DLC has been anything but.


Joker has global appeal but I'd argue Persona is still barely out of being a niche JRPG series

Hero is, Hero, self explanatory with the 6 months people ******* and moaned about Dragon Quest

Banjo Kazooie is basically a bone being thrown in the Smash community's way, otherwise their series is as dead as it gets

And Terry's big in China and Latin America

 

[Knight Dude]

Idk about Sigma, while he can be really fun, the fact that he overtake the place of big bad and make anyone working under him complete fool kinda detract some potential cool stories that give our heroes real dilemma, instead of just “and then it was Sigma manipulating everyone ALL Along! "

Doesn't help some game try so hard to make it look like Sigma isn't involved, when anyone who played one X game can tell hours in advance he is the true mastermind (not counting X1, X5 and X8), and other don't even try and just shove him in at the end. (X6 looking at you)

To be clear, I like Sigma, but if there is a new X game, I hope Sigma won't be the one behind it all. If they could pull something like X8 again but better, then I won't mind seeing evil Buzz Lightyear again.

I can understand that. Really, I think only time that disappointed me was MMX6, since Gate's design was really cool. Again, I wouldn't mind more new villains, but I also don't get being pissed at Sigma making his final boss appearance much like most other villains. Though my personal favorite Mega Man villain is Vile, he doesn't show up much. Which is a shame since, him just being a huge scumbag who's in it for himself would work with popping up randomly.

Either way, if it happens it's gonna be a very underwhelming reveal. Who exactly is gonna recognize her?

If we're talking KOS-MOS, I imagine more than enough people. She'd sorta be like Namco's Captain Falcon or Ness, someone more known for their crossover games than their own, though her games were fairly popular. I guess the same could be said for other Namco choices like Dig Dug or Valkyrie. But since KOS-MOS is the one getting dapped up at the moment, I think it applies to her too.

 

[Xelha]

It's probably just GameExplain screwing around, their hints probably mean nothing. And regarding the recent fascination, he probably just played and liked the game recently, who knows. Recency bias is a thing.

Also if there was a Bernie echo I'd gladly beat him up.

Also if Joker's reveal resulted in barely anyone applauding, then if we get KOS-MOS expect a completely silent audience, along with several people here *****ing about "open mindedness".

I've been watching some their videos again and just found it interesting that Pyra has been showing up as #5 in their videos.

Pyra and Mythra are #5 on the female fighter countdown.

And Pyra is in the #5 spot for the fighters pass in the thumbnail video.

But it's all probably just a coincidence.

 

[ES. Dinah]

Still more recognizable than KOS-MOS

please stop with this

 

[TheYungLink]

Joker from Persona 5 got a HUGE reaction at TGA last year, it's just the official video for it from the TGA itself showed a much more muted reaction BECAUSE it was so loud. Here are a couple of at-event reactions:

 

[Ben Holt]

So what would you guys prefer?
Last minute leak or surprise to the end?

 

[Shroob]

I've been watching some their videos again and just found it interesting that Pyra has been showing up as #5 in their videos.

Pyra and Mythra are #5 on the female fighter countdown.

And Pyra is in the #5 spot for the fighters pass in the thumbnail video.

But it's all probably just a coincidence.

As neat as Pyra/Mythra tag would be, can they 'do' anything without Rex? Never played the game but I assumed that being linked to Rex was what allowed them to fight.

 

[ErenJager]

Just seems like a record scratch type moment to indicate that KOS-MOS is not the broadly expected Namco pick.

Having said that I'm not sure why its so hard to believe that Jon would leak something in a prediction video again. He certainly seems to have before with a number of different things, which would be incredibly hard to explain away as lucky guesses. If he's done it before why stop now?

He has clearly never wanted to be outright perceived as a "leaker," especially given his relationship to Nintendo so I don't think it's surprising that he would say he isn't leaking anything on twitter. But I guess it just seems naive to me to take that at face value. He could very easily be creating plausible deniability so as to protect himself. Or he could be telling the truth. I don't know him, nor do I know his motivations, so its hard to say either way. But I can see why someone might still think he was leaking something even after his denial.

They also propped KOSMOS as not being that unlikely stating Monolith soft probably sees her as the companies main character, as she's front and center and the largest character on their 20th anniversary poster. Also they've never done that for other offside picks, and at the time of that discussion they were doing "pie in the sky" picks so all of them were off side picks which could have been deserving of a track scratch. So idk. Like I said curious oddity. Further to that in their latest prediction video KOSMOS is now just straight Jon's prediction for fighter 5 with No scratch track now.

 

[Shroob]

So what would you guys prefer?
Last minute leak or surprise to the end?

I'm pretty sure at this point everyone's soo skeptical that even if Verg or Sabi gave us a straight answer that no one would 100% believe them.


The only way that'll happen is if there's a Nintendo **** up, and even then people would deny it like they did with the SNK leak.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I can understand that. Really, I think only time that disappointed me was MMX6, since Gate's design was really cool. Again, I wouldn't mind more new villains, but I also don't get being pissed at Sigma making his final boss appearance much like most other villains. Though my personal favorite Mega Man villain is Vile, he doesn't show up much. Which is a shame since, him just being a huge scumbag who's in it for himself would work with popping up randomly.



If we're talking KOS-MOS, I imagine more than enough people. She'd sorta be like Namco's Captain Falcon or Ness, someone more known for their crossover games than their own, though her games were fairly popular. I guess the same could be said for other Namco choices like Dig Dug or Valkyrie. But since KOS-MOS is the one getting dapped up at the moment, I think it applies to her too.

We can both agree that there need to be more of Vile.

He is the perfect rival character for X, yet he surprisely doesn't apparear that much all things considered. Which is weird since Sigma show that death is just a casual problem when you're a important vilain.

 

[Zinith]

I'll use this if the character is no one from these leaks:

 

[Gentlepanda]

Also if there was a Bernie echo I'd gladly beat him up.

weird flex but ok

 

[DarthEnderX]

please stop with this

Please stop posting that image as if Sakurai is suggesting that being recognizable isn't important.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Please stop posting that image as if Sakurai is suggesting that being recognizable isn't important.

Recognizability matters. It's just not the only thing. And highly subject to opinion. Nearly every character brought up in Smash Speculation is recognizable in some way.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Recognizability matters. It's just not the only thing.

Correct. But the people that use that image are almost always doing it to suggest that it doesn't.

 

[StormC]

weird flex but ok

here's how bernie can still win

 

[Xelha]

As neat as Pyra/Mythra tag would be, can they 'do' anything without Rex? Never played the game but I assumed that being linked to Rex was what allowed them to fight.

Yeah, Pyra/Mythra don't need Rex at all to fight. They let him use their weapon. They don't even need him to be around or even alive. They're not "living weapons" like a lot of people misinterpret.

What happens is that when she givers her weapon to a human the power shared between them is much stronger. Rex isn't even that good of a fighter without her.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Correct. But the people that use that image are almost always doing it to suggest that it doesn't.

Dinah's using it correctly though. This entire Fighter's pass thus far (besides Banjo) is the epitome of that statement (And I'm using this fanbase as the example to that, because every single one of them got the "literal who" treatment prior to reveal) and also a statement that benefits Kunio and the Contra guys that you want. KOS-MOS isn't the most well known character, but she's a long shot from the "literal who" mindset that this fan base loves to throw out.

 

[Barrubo]

Like, recognizing the character is important but it isn't a main factor. Different people recognize different character so it's hard to pinpoint who is more recognizable. But we still need it because without it Sakurei wouldn't know which characters the fans would like to play as.
In conclusion. We need to recognise a character for it's worth but not letting that cloud our judgement for everyone else who has different opinions.

 

[osby]

I'm not saying KOS-MOS is more recognizable than other Fighter Pass characters, but...

How many times "this can't be our final reveal!" turned out to be correct?

 

[StormC]

I'm not saying KOS-MOS is more recognizable than other Fighter Pass characters, but...

How many times "this can't be our final reveal!" turned out to be correct?

I don't get the handwringing over it either. They're not the final reveal anymore! Who cares!

I'm not convinced of any of the leaks at this point, but if it's KOS-MOS, don't fret, there will be more.

 

[BlackInk]

I'm not saying KOS-MOS is more recognizable than other Fighter Pass characters, but...

How many times "this can't be our final reveal!" turned out to be correct?

Terry will definitely NOT be revealed as fighter #4.

 

[Calamitas]

As neat as Pyra/Mythra tag would be, can they 'do' anything without Rex? Never played the game but I assumed that being linked to Rex was what allowed them to fight.

In the Torna DLC you can essentially play Mythra by herself. Only her special moves really make use of her partner there.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Yeah, Pyra/Mythra don't need Rex at all to fight. They let him use their weapon. They don't even need him to be around or even alive. They're not "living weapons" like a lot of people misinterpret.

What happens is that when she givers her weapon to a human the power shared between them is much stronger. Rex isn't even that good of a fighter without her.

They kinda need him around cuz, you know, they share their life-force with him, so if one get hurt, both get hurt.

That, and XB2 make it extremely clear that blade and driver should work together for the best result. They are exception, yes, but they are that: exception, and Pyra/Mythra aren't part of that, that gif you show us the only time Pyra fight alone in the whole game, afterward, they alway fight with Rex.

Also, Rex start meh at the start, but he become a much driver as time passes. Just look at all the blades he can use toward the end, he gotta be somewhat skilled to use all those different weapons, nah?

 

[Xelha]

In the Torna DLC you can essentially play Mythra by herself. Only her special moves really make use of her partner there.

They kinda need him around cuz, you know, they share their life-force with him, so if one get hurt, both get hurt.

That, and XB2 make it extremely clear that blade and driver should work together for the best result. They are exception, yes, but they are that: exception, and Pyra/Mythra aren't part of that, that gif you show us the only time Pyra fight alone in the whole game, afterward, they alway fight with Rex.

Also, Rex start meh at the start, but he become a much driver as time passes. Just look at all the blades he can use toward the end, he gotta be somewhat skilled to use all those different weapons, nah?

I know. I was just giving a basic description and trying to clear up some misconceptions, since a lot of people don't know or don't care about the games finer details.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

If Rex and Pyra made it in, they work simliar to Rosalina and Luma, where you control Rex while the AI controls Pyra.

 

[Akg0001]

Pyra/Mythra without Rex will not happen. Imagine Sakurai apologize to Rex fans and then not include him as a fighter but solo Pyra/Mythra. Lol

Also chill with conspiracy theories. Only 40 hours left. We can do this without going crazy! Hopefully...

 

[Idon]

If Rex and Pyra made it in, they work simliar to Rosalina and Luma, where you control Rex while the AI controls Pyra.

>AI controls

How about... no.
Just have her stand in the background pokemon style until Rex uses a special.

 

[BlackInk]

Who is the character you’re predicting for fighter #5 and why?

I’m predicting Kosmos because I legitimately have a hard time trying to take her down from Nintendo’s/Sakurai’s perspective.

(Beginning of explaination)
Nintendo want to be consumer-friendly while making the dlc legitimately great for audience. They don’t want the xenoblade guys feel screwed over by being unable to get Rex’s costume without paying 25$. There has to be at least one character that this audience will definitely appreciate and recognize. It happens that Kosmos is one of the more popular blades in xenoblade 2 (the most popular title in Monoloith Soft’s roster of Nintendo-owned games).

Namco has done so much in this game, it’ll be odd to leave their presence completely ignored from both Nintendo’s and Sakurai’s perspectives. Because, both the main company and the Smash Director see Ultimate as an achievement. It doesn’t have to to be Kosmos, it just has to be a Namco character in this circumstance.

And finally, Sakurai is biased towards the monoloth soft stuff, as Rex’s mii is the only mii he has ever apologized for. He has to work through Nintendo’s dlc plan, meaning Rex is completely off the table for being a 1st party character. He also doesn’t know if Nintendo will actually make a demand for more smash ultimate dlc after the pack. If he can chose any potential reps to fill in Rex’s absence in those tight uncertain circumstances, it’ll likely be Kosmos.
(end of explaination)

 

[Cosmic77]

Nothing against KOS-MOS personally, but she's just not someone I particularly care for. I'd be happy for her fans, but that's about all I'd get from her reveal.

Regardless, I don't think KOS-MOS is the character. Verge is one of the main reasons why she's surfaced to the top, and I think it's a little funny how certain people are simultaneously dismissing Verge's deconfirmations while claiming KOS-MOS is suddenly one of the most likely characters to be revealed.