shocktarts17
Smash Ace
Hmm I think this is a good write up, and I think you make good points using examples from other games, but I don't think the Chrom situation is wholly the same thing. Chrom is in as an echo fighter, and potentially an even easier echo fighter than most because he already had a 3D model from being in Robin's moveset. If anything the fact that he is still in Robin's final smash shows just how little dev time was probably applied to Chrom, they didn't even take the time to go back and change Robin's stuff. So while you would think that same argument could apply to the Assist Trophies the big difference is him being an echo. If they had to create a new moveset for him I don't think he would have gotten in, and I think that same thing can be said about the Assist Trophies for the first fighter's pass.I know I'm going to get digitally yelled at for this, but here goes;
I don't think Assist Trophies flat out deconfirm characters for DLC.
Now that you've finished laughing at me like this Spy, let me just put out some of my personal beliefs in response to these arguments.
Sorry for plaguing the thread with this tangent, I just needed somewhere to post my thoughts on the matter, and this was the best recommendation I got from the main discussion thread. Let's just go back to speculating who's in and who's out, regardless of what happens with the characters.1: Sakurai said they wouldn't be playable.
It's true that this is the case for Brawl...
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...and for 3DS/Wii U.
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(Just a reminder, I do like Waluigi, but to avoid accusations of bias, let me say that these were the only instances I could find)
However, it's curious to note that we've heard nothing on the situation of Assist Trophies throughout Ultimate's development cycle; not in the Directs, not on the blog, not even within Sakurai's interviews with insiders. It may not mean much, but it's still notable in that while the devs at SORA got straight to the point on the situation of ATs in the past two games, they've yet to say anything in regards to this installment. Not to mention, we've all heard about the interview where Sakurai admitted that he thought that Ridley was too big. Four years later, and the rest is history
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2: Wouldn't they have to remove the Assist Trophy to make it possible?
My answer to that; trick question, they don't need to. Instances of more than one character appearing in fighting games with assisting roles have existed for longer than most would think. In Dragon Ball FighterZ, Android 17 appeared initially as a part of 18's moveset, supplying assistance whenever necessary.
It wasn't until September of 2018, approximately 8 months later, where 17 appeared as his own fighter separate from 18's moveset. It should be noted that his playable appearance sees him in his park ranger outfit rather than his Red Ribbon outfit.
In a similar vein, another one of Nintendo's fighting games, Pokken Tournament, also has an assist character who was promoted to playable status; Croagunk, who started out as an Assist Pokemon who degrades the opponent's defense.
A year after Pokken released, Croagunk made a surprise appearence as a new fighter on the arcade version of the game, while being subsequently added to the DX version on Switch.
Instances of the same character have been done in multiple fighters in the past. In fact, there exists one in Ultimate itself, and at this point, we've all memed to the moon and back as to who it is.
3. Are the fans really deserving of the characters that they want? Their behavior says otherwise.
I understand that there is some resentment towards certain characters because of the behavior of their supporters because they give of the impression of being dishonest memers or otherwise (not gonna give specific examples, you know which characters and fans I'm talking about). But coming out with this argument is petty; by going by this philosophy, you're ignoring the silent majority of fans who genuinely enjoy the characters, and are thrilled if they're in and disappointed, but not livid that they're not. The best example for this was King K. Rool; when he was being campaigned for (kampaigned?), there was a majority of users who mocked the fans of the character, citing that they only wanted him in for the sake of nostalgia, as well as a majority of fans of the character being mildly annoyed to mega cheesed about the Mii costume in the previous game. But whenthe King actually got in, you know what followed? A heartfelt thank you letter...
There was a problem fetching the tweet...followed by an official response from Nintendo.
There was a problem fetching the tweetThis goes to prove that judging the nature of a character's entire fanbase on the grounds of the actions of a tablespoon of idiots has no real standing ground; when it comes to a fanbase, the friendly and honest ones are the silent majority, and the ones who matter most of all.
I think ATs and Spirits are all in the same boat for this first wave, if they had been planned for DLC they wouldn't have bothered making them anything else. Once we're through this and a hypothetical second wave starts I think they won't have any issue drawing from ATs or Spirits for all the reasons listed above.
