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B-but we need Byleth and Edgelord and Claude Speed and a few more Marth clones! Just look at how few Fire Emblem characters we have. We need more. MORE!
And half of them are Links. Links that are near-identical to each other. That will always irk me, there's so much potential in Majora's Mask, Breath of the Wild, and Wind Waker to make all 3 stand out on their one to be semi-clones of each other at worst.
And with those additions, DK would still have a lower amount of characters than FE. Seeing the franchises based on characters is quite shortsighted when Zelda has one of the highest amount of stages and items in the game, FE only has 3 stages (with 2 being kinda derivative) and an item plus 3 characters are based on Marth.
I don't exactly think anyone is asking for more Marth clones.
Damn he's looking smug as ****, I love it.
These smash leeks sure are getting crazy.
Given FE's track record, they might as well be.
But Fire Emblem bad, old game good! Luckily a compromise can be found by adding oldschool FE characters like Lyn, Alm, Celica, Hector, Arvis, etc
Characters take resources, and resources are used to make characters. So no, it literally IS a thing. Unless you think it's impossible to spend rent money on booze, because if you spent it on booze it's no longer rent money
Those resources were used on Lucina over Alph. If they planned for Alph to be treated like the others... and Alph ends up not being treated like the others... it's pretty simple to assume they ran out of resources (whether it be time or sometihng else), which was instead spent on Lucina as higher priority. The fan ballot thing, whatever, it's not like we have the results ourselves. If he decides which ballot presences to directly respond to, that's still favoritism anyways.Alph's unjustified exclusion from the clone club has nothing to do with Fire Emblem, because:
A.) Alph was done this way back in 4, which brought back, who was going to be a costume like
B.) IIRC, Chrom's inclusion was based off demand from the Smash Ballot, like other characters such as Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, etc. If Alph wasn't decloned, I assume Alph didn't get that far in the ballot to get decloned. That isn't favoritism from Sakurai, that's the people, the audience, the fans, demanding Chrom.
So you agree Roy was picked over Wolf or Snake or any other veterans who would've been popular, then? Again, resources that could've been used to add a relevant and popular semi-clone (Wolf, who actually reappeared in Star Fox Zero while Roy's been absent from everything since his debut) were used on FE, because it gets special treatment.Roy was heavily requested to return from Melee after a 15 year absence, similar to
Smash presence basically guarantees the characters receive some minimum level of attention which makes it far easier for them to get anything new. That should go without saying.Smash Bros. may have gotten Fire Emblem localized internationally, but Fire Emblem's heavy revival in 2013 was all thanks to Awakening. Other series dying shouldn't be blamed by the hands of Fire Emblem. Nintendo simply chose to not make more Golden Sun games. Nintendo was stupid with what direction they should've taken Chibi-Robo in. And sometimes they just forget games exist in general, such as Sin & Punishment and Custom Robo.
Hell, Smash Bros. only revived one series, and it's because Sakurai decided to make the game himself.
Or, you know, XB2, or ARMS, who also did very well on Switch and would benefit from Smash recognition, while also fleshing out different game universes?
It should go without saying that any criticism of Smash is criticism of Sakurai's decisionmaking. Yes, it's ultimately down to his bias, which I'm arguing is stupid and tonedeaf. And I don't see why just saying I don't want another FE character is better than explaining why I don't want another FE character. It's the same post, but with a glimpse into the thought process behind it.
Given the record of Links, Zelda might as well too.
Toy Link, Retro Link, gotta get more.
I actually wouldn't mind Toon Zelda. As long as Tetra comes with her. Supposedly, she was planned for Brawl.Given the record of Links, Zelda might as well too.
She would've worked similar to pre-Smash 4 Zelda but...
"They" seem to be asking for characters that aren't Marth clones given that all the people asking for those characters seem to have a general idea as to a unique moveset and that the characters asked for have little to no way to fit into the Marth swordsmen mold.
I'm assuming we're talking about stealing slots. Or slots in general. Limited space for only a certain amount of characters is expected. We're not stupid, though I expect someone to make a cocky "Oh, I'm not so su~~~~re" type response to that.Characters take resources, and resources are used to make characters. So no, it literally IS a thing. Unless you think it's impossible to spend rent money on booze, because if you spent it on booze it's no longer rent money
And Dr. Mario and Dark Pit, can't forget those two. We don't know the ballot, so we don't know how high certain characters placed. However, if Chrom did make it in, I'm assuming his presence in the ballot was significant enough to retcon Sakurai saying he won't add any more Fire Emblem characters post-Corrin.
Taking out Snake, I assumed all missing veterans were equal to each other.
Like Roy.
Didn't Star Fox Zero come out after the last DLC was announced? Fire Emblem Fates/Awakening DLC and Fire Emblem Heroes for Roy's reappearance in the series after FE6. Saying Wolf is more popular is unprecedented. Are you saying that like it's objective fact, or are you bringing your opinion into it?
Yes.
Doesn't sound like Smash reviving a series as we were discussing, more like Smash generalized the series (in the West)? While Smash introduced EarthBound, that had no influence on the games' development themselves, as Mother 3 was already being put into development at the time back when it was EB 64. I'm also unsure on if the fan translation was utterly influenced on Lucas getting in Smash. That requires research on Tomato.
I'm skeptical that was because of Smash.
Because that's the other way around. That's not Smash lifting a series on its feet, that's a series being lifted back on its feet being thrown in Smash.
I'm just giving examples here.
You get the gist with the other ones, don't you? Maybe an F-Zero example would damage my soul by facing me with the reality that Miyamoto needs game gimmicks to live.Time restraints are a *****. And sadly, with Spirit updates, deconfirm theory is looking slightly more plausible at the moment. I'd love to be optimistic, but things are looking bleak for the 2017/2018 game characters. Fire Emblem 3 Houses would've been in that boat too, but it was in development hell for so long that it outlasted the other games. It'd be totally fine if Rex or Spring Man did come in though.
It's odd, these arguments about Fire Emblem being innocent or guilty feels almost like a political divide at this point. Also, the thought process leads into long, drawn-out arguments like this and I frankly need sleep before my 8 AM classes today.
Chrom was easily more requested than Alph. And took less work also, Roy with Lucina's sword properties, and Ike's Up B (more or less). Chrom is also lucky that he wasn't already part of Roy's alt costumes, like Alph. However , it's a valid argument.
imagine not making Hilda a Wyvern Lord
If any of those series had seven characters people would be complaining about it though.
We still need Tom Nook.
I wonder why Incineroar out of...Big man in the sky don't lie if his name is Sak-u-rai.
There's a lot of people who considerably "deserve" to be in a crossover after so much fan demand and length of time of said demand. Some people get privileges though. Those privileges are like people who skip the line. And I believe Byleth just happens to be one of those lucky suckers.
Did Incineroar 'deserve' to be in Smash before the boomer king Geno himself? Nope, but goddamn does that shiny Pokemon logo need arbitrary demands
You might not but other people would, especially if Sonic is at seven and then the next closest are still Castlevania and SF at two.
Sonic, Shadow, Tails, and Knux, then.
Imaging listing seven Sonic characters for Smash, and not even thinking about Blaze, smh
Yeah Skull Kid and Urbosa are both worthy additions to Ultimate. LOZ deserves more variety. Especially with the characters and variety in Mario Reps from Daisy to Piranha Plant.
I'll quit bellyaching when Sakurai personally apologizes in a dedicated 5 minute portion of a direct, like when Rex didn't get in. Except instead of adding songs and spirits he randomly takes some away. And the bonus costume for Fighter's Pass 2 is a costume for the Mii Swordsman wearing a shirt saying "NO FE" and wielding a picket sign with a big X over Marth's face as the picture.
I agree that 7 are too much, but on the other hand, most Sonic characters have potential to be pretty unique moveset-wise.
Over Mipha hell yeah, Revali could be a tonne of fun though. Multi jumps, strong projectiles, good taunts.
