Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Ben Holt]

Oh dear Lord, you know there's a feminist here who will go for another bout of depression because the new fighter ain't female.

I'm sorry, but I am simply stating that Lloyd is most likely given the current set of facts.
It is not an endorsement.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm sorry, but I am simply stating that Lloyd is most likely given the current set of facts.
It is not an endorsement.

But are you 100% sure? Don,'t jump to conclusions here!!!!!

 

[Ben Holt]

But are you 100% sure? Don,'t jump to conclusions here!!!!!

No. Not at all. Not even 30%.
It's just that if we were to make a list of characters' betting odds like a horse race, Lloyd would be the most likely.
But even if Lloyd theoretically has a 30% chance, which is very high for one character, that's still a 70% chance that it's NOT Lloyd.

 

[BZL8]

Honestly, i could. i do got reasons to believe he is not fighter Number 5 though

-the VA thing from his Voice actor and the trademark i think came way too late for it to be Lloyd, at least in fighter pass. That's even if all of that is for Smash.

-Lloyd essence i can sense doesn't gel well with being the Final Character of the Final Pass. He's much better placed post pass.

I think there's more reasons i have, but I don't know how to word it

To add onto this; Scott doesn't take voice projects that aren't unionized by SAG-AFTRA and Smash Ultimate isn't unionized. I don't think his tease has anything to do with Smash at all.

 

[N3ON]

But are you 100% sure? Don,'t jump to conclusions here!!!!!

Regardless of what people think, you have to brace yourself for the possibility that the last fighter is male, because it's a very plausible outcome. Sakurai doesn't put the same emphasis on the things you do, and there's no reason to think that'd change now.

You have to think about more than what you want when it comes to forming expectations.

 

[andree123]

There are a few omissions, but I'm not satisfied with how they look anymore. I might make new versions.

Hey, you forgot Sylux.

 

[BlackInk]

Regardless of what people think, you have to brace yourself for the possibility that the last fighter is male, because it's a very plausible outcome. Sakurai doesn't put the same emphasis on the things you do, and there's no reason to think that'd change now.

You have to think about more than what you want when it comes to forming expectations.

I’m hoping it’ll be Lloyd so people will complain about it being a sausage fest. I’m getting tired of the complaints about gender.

 

[Ben Holt]

If it's any solace @Lesley Black Velvet there are more fighters post-pass. And even if Fighter 5 is male, there's still likely a female along the line.

 

[N3ON]

Hey, you forgot Sylux.

I've made two posts now where I've said I'm not making new ones atm, including the post you just quoted.

I don't have a Sylux one. Please read.

 

[TheCJBrine]

My dogs’ uncle whom works for Sakurai’s cat said that the dart monkey from Bloons Tower Defense will be playable in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch(TM) and will be Fighter #5 of the Fighters Pass.


Speculation can now cease until Fighter #6 is announced. This is Vergeben No. 1337, saying...change the world, my final message.

Goodbye.

 

[Deleted member]

If it's any solace @Lesley Black Velvet there are more fighters post-pass. And even if Fighter 5 is male, there's still likely a female along the line.

I don't have faith in Pass 2.

 

[Sysreq]

I don't have faith in Pass 2.

But are you 100% sure? Don,'t jump to conclusions here!!!!!

Maybe you should take your own advice.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe you should take your own advice.

If that was bad, I'm sorry.

 

[toonito]

I think if Sakurai continues to pick 3rd parties via DLC these are the characters to look out for. For FP5 its possible that no company will repeat so that should eliminate Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, and SNK. After FP5 all bets are off.

Bethesda
Doom Slayer (Doom)
Dragonborn (Skyrim)

SNK
Kyo Kusanagi (King of Fighters)
Nakoruru or Haohmaru (Samurai Showdown)
Marco (Metal Slug)

Activision
Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Spyro (Spyro)

Koei Tecmo
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)

Level 5
Jibanyan (Yo-Kai Watch)
Professor Layton (Professor Layton)

Ubisoft
Ezio Auditore (Assassin's Creed)
Rayman (Rayman)

Capcom
Jill Valentine or Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)

Namco
Heihachi, Jin, or Kazuya Mishima (Tekken)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Siegfried/Nightmare (Soul Edge/Calibur)
Solaire or Chosen Undead (Dark Souls)
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)

Konami
Frogger (Frogger)

Microsoft
Master Chief (Halo)
Steve (Minecraft)

Square-Enix
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Arc System Works
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
Ragna the Bloodedge (BlazBlue)

Sega
Arle Nadja (Puyo-Puyo)

Sony
Nathan Drake (Uncharted)
Kratos (God of War)

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I think if Sakurai continues to pick 3rd parties via DLC these are the characters to look out for. For FP5 its possible that no company will repeat so that should eliminate Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, and SNK. After FP5 all bets are off.

Bethesda
Doom Slayer (Doom)
Dragonborn (Skyrim)

SNK
Kyo Kusanagi (King of Fighters)
Nakoruru or Haohmaru (Samurai Showdown)
Marco (Metal Slug)

Activision
Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Tracer (Overwatch)

Koei Tecmo
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)

Level 5
Jibanyan (Yo-Kai Watch)
Professor Layton (Professor Layton)

Ubisoft
Ezio Auditore (Assassin's Creed)
Rayman (Rayman)

Capcom
Jill Valentine or Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)

Namco
Heihachi, Jin, or Kazuya Mishima (Tekken)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Siegfried/Nightmare (Soul Edge/Calibur)
Solaire or Chosen Undead (Dark Souls)
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)

Konami
Frogger (Frogger)

Microsoft
Master Chief (Halo)
Steve (Minecraft)

Square-Enix
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Arc System Works
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
Ragna the Bloodedge (BlazBlue)

Sega
Arle Nadja (Puyo-Puyo)

Add Prince of All Cosmos and maybe Zhao Yun, and then your list is golden!

 

[Ben Holt]

Add Prince of All Cosmos and maybe Zhao Yun, and then your list is golden!

And Spyro.

 

[P.Kat]

Add Prince of All Cosmos and maybe Zhao Yun, and then your list is golden!

And Amaterasu

 

[Jomosensual]

Ah yes, hard, solid, ironclad evidence. Exhibit A: some evidence that could have been in his favor turns out not to be, therefore it's against him! Exhibit B: he doesn't feel like a final character for... Reasons!

Your honor, I rest my case.

-Wintson Payne, Ace Attorney

 

[GoodGrief741]

Actually I have a theory about Lloyd. Lloyd is being used as Leakbait to hide who the True 5th character is, and if there hadn't been any extra DLC he would be Mii Costume

However because there is Extra DLC, they are using him as leakbait but they are gonna put him in anyway as Extra DLC.

Uhh, don't you think that if Lloyd were being used as leakbait, someone would have... leaked him?

Regardless of what people think, you have to brace yourself for the possibility that the last fighter is male, because it's a very plausible outcome. Sakurai doesn't put the same emphasis on the things you do, and there's no reason to think that'd change now.

You have to think about more than what you want when it comes to forming expectations.

Don't waste time, I don't think she can understand criticism or is willing to.

 

[Deleted member]

Uhh, don't you think that if Lloyd were being used as leakbait, someone would have... leaked him?

To be honest, no credible leaks, or even leaks in general, even the ****ty tryhards, ever mentioned Lloyd. Not even the higher-ups mentioned Lloyd (other than the Vergeben comment, which is just a ****ing comment) so it is safe to say that anyone is fair game still. Had someone leaked him with legitimate evidence, then we can start the speculation.

 

[Ben Holt]

To be honest, no credible leaks, or even leaks in general, even the ****ty tryhards, ever mentioned Lloyd. Not even the higher-ups mentioned Lloyd (other than the Vergeben comment, which is just a ****ing comment) so it is safe to say that anyone is fair game still. Had someone leaked him with legitimate evidence, then we can start the speculation.

Les, I'm not trying to give you hell. But the entire point of speculation is to play detective until every character is revealed. Do I think Lloyd is Fighter 5? No. My gut says Tracer. Do I rejoice or balk at the idea of Lloyd being Fighter 5? Not really. I'm neutral. But my top 3 are deconfirmed (Crash and Doom Slayer plus Spyro since he's contingent upon Crash), so it's no skin off my ass either way.
But as it stands, Lloyd has the most HARD evidence in his favor.
1. The trademarks.
2. The voice actor NDA.
3. The obvious lack of his Mii Costume.
4. Sakurai seemed to have hinted at another Bandai-Namco character during the Terry reveal.

Are these damning pieces of evidence in Lloyd's favor? No. If it were that easy, we'd have predicted every character by now. But simply based on what we evidence we DO have, Lloyd is the frontrunner.

 

[Deleted member]

Les, I'm not trying to give you hell. But the entire point of speculation is to play detective until every character is revealed. Do I think Lloyd is Fighter 5? No. My gut says Tracer. Do I rejoice or balk at the idea of Lloyd being Fighter 5? Not really. I'm neutral. But my top 3 are deconfirmed (Crash and Doom Slayer plus Spyro since he's contingent upon Crash), so it's no skin off my ass either way.
But as it stands, Lloyd has the most HARD evidence in his favor.
1. The trademarks.
2. The voice actor NDA.
3. The obvious lack of his Mii Costume.
4. Sakurai seemed to have hinted at another Bandai-Namco character during the Terry reveal.

Are these damning pieces of evidence in Lloyd's favor? No. If it were that easy, we'd have predicted every character by now. But simply based on what we evidence we DO have, Lloyd is the frontrunner.

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Too late. This is hell. I'm living it right now...damn it...

 

[andree123]

So who is the most speculated character that was revealed as a fighter in ssb4 that has a similar reaction to Lloyd being revealed as a fighter in ssbu?

 

[Deleted member]

So who is the most speculated character that was revealed as a fighter in ssb4 that has a similar reaction to Lloyd being revealed as a fighter in ssbu?

Don't...jump straight to conclusions. It isn't final yet, and no one confirmed it yet. Don't get too excited.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I think if Sakurai continues to pick 3rd parties via DLC these are the characters to look out for. For FP5 its possible that no company will repeat so that should eliminate Sega, Square-Enix, Microsoft, and SNK. After FP5 all bets are off.

...

Honestly, if we were told that everything coming was somewhere on that list, my hype would pretty much be gone for good.
Some are essentially, "OK, sure," type picks, but Nakoruru is the only one that really has much personal appeal (though even then, she's kind of my 'consolation' SamSho character)... And I'm pretty confident Ultimate is done with SNK, so there's that...

Anyway, here's to hoping for some surprises and more esoteric choices.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, here's to hoping for some surprises and more esoteric choices.

There probably won't be, since atthis rate, it's best to call the meme, "Joker is the Last Surprise."

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I’m getting tired of the complaints about hotdogs and tacos.

hi what the actual **** does this mean

 

[Ben Holt]

hi what the actual **** does this mean

Don't ask. It's not very nice.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

hi what the actual **** does this mean

Sick of people passionate about potential characters' genders.

 

[Deleted member]

hi what the actual **** does this mean

It meant gender discussions. Because if Lloyd gets added we won't get a female rep. And if we won't get a female rep, then I'll go into depression and perhaps call for a lockdown of the thread due to my rage. Speaking of which...

I’m hoping it’ll be Lloyd so people will complain about it being a sausage fest. I’m getting tired of the complaints about hotdogs and tacos.

*rolls up sleeves*

YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE ME DO THIS, DON'T YOU?

 

[Ben Holt]

*rolls up sleeves*

YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE ME DO THIS, DON'T YOU?

Don't feed the troll.

 

[AEMehr]

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I lied. I made one new one.

you used to do these in another style loooong ago, right? this reminded me of the one i made for shaqboards lol

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whoever they add i feel its gonna be someone or something with wide appeal, just a shot in the dark but IPs that come to mind are like resident evil or like monster hunter. just my gut feeling.

though it would be something else if sam from death stranding somehow found his way in lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Don't feed the troll.

Pathetic. He trolled me the moment he posted that statement. For ****'s sake, I'm in a living hell right now thanks to speculation talk and now everyone is jumping over to conclusions. They said I too am jumping to conclusions, but **** ****s for God knows what, turns out jumping to conclusions is contagious as hell.

 

[N3ON]

And if we won't get a female rep, then I'll go into depression and perhaps call for a lockdown of the thread due to my rage. Speaking of which...

Ngl, that's pretty self-centered.

Upon you not getting what you want, rather than ruining other peoples' celebration of a character they might really enjoy, how about, instead, you don't.

 

[BlackInk]

Don't feed the troll.

It’s not trolling when every mother ****** can’t stop for moment in a dlc #5 video without saying “There are too many dudes. We need a chick!” It’s legitimately annoying. Why don’t they look into potential fighters instead of gender politics?

Ngl, that's pretty self-centered.

Upon you not getting what you want, rather than ruining other peoples' celebration of a character they might really enjoy, how about, instead, you don't.

I get legitimately disgusted whenever someone goes “We didn’t want Ken with a hat!” It’s so awful they think it’s absolutely okay to pull up such crap when they don’t know jack about the fighter.

 

[Deleted member]

Ngl, that's pretty self-centered.

Upon you not getting what you want, rather than ruining other peoples' celebration of a character they might really enjoy, how about, instead, you don't.

Eh, **** it all. I just don't care at this point. Might as well just rot.

It’s not trolling when every mother ****** can’t stop for moment in a dlc #5 video without saying “There are too many dudes. We need a chick!” It’s legitimately annoying. Why don’t they look into potential fighters instead of gender politics?

Because we're sick of seeing the same archetypal gender over and over again. It's not annoying, it's calling to reason.

 

[Ben Holt]

It’s not trolling when every mother ****** can’t stop for moment in a dlc #5 video without saying “There are too many dudes. We need a chick!” It’s legitimately annoying. Why don’t they look into potential fighters instead of gender politics?

The existence of women is not political.

 

[Deleted member]

The existence of women is not political.

Oh, geez, here we go again.

 

[N3ON]

you used to do these in another style loooong ago, right? this reminded me of the one i made for shaqboards lol

I didn't know if anyone even remembered those, but yeah, that style used to be my thing. Glad that's the one that's survived.

I considered making new ones of that style (a lot has changed since those days) but the template is stuck on a busted computer, and I've been dragging my feet to recreate it. Honestly dunno if I ever will. :/

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Don't ask. It's not very nice.

Sick of people passionate about potential characters' genders.

It meant gender discussions. Because if Lloyd gets added we won't get a female rep. And if we won't get a female rep, then I'll go into depression and perhaps call for a lockdown of the thread due to my rage. Speaking of which...



*rolls up sleeves*

YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE ME DO THIS, DON'T YOU?

Ok but it is the weirdest ****ing way to say that, up there with screeching about fake vaginas.

Pathetic. He trolled me the moment he posted that statement. For ****'s sake, I'm in a living hell right now thanks to speculation talk and now everyone is jumping over to conclusions. They said I too am jumping to conclusions, but **** ****s for God knows what, turns out jumping to conclusions is contagious as hell.

Hey uhhhh Lesley? This post right here? It's the kind of reaction trolls adore. I've said it before but this behaivour makes you prime bullying/trolling material. Not that it excuses it but it attracts such behaivour toward you