Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GKMLTTSB]

May be completely non-viable and I'm sure it's not an original thought, but thinking back on the Ico and Yorda pairing I mentioned, one idea that I had in mind would be a partner mechanic where the partner is actually the target. Something where Ico is actually resilient, but Yorda is incredibly weak, and if taken out, Ico loses a stock.

Escort mission, the character!

Somewhat random aside, but:
I'd actually had a similar, but slightly different idea for a potential classic mode for Pyramid Head a while back. Ended up going with something different for the Fighter's Pack concept I posted, since this seemed kind of extreme for Smash, but the gist was for each round to have a male with a related female as the challengers, and in each case the female is the target. Until the female character is defeated, the male would take little-to-no damage, have super-armour (or a metal upgrade), and essentially have infinite stocks. Once the female character is defeated, the male character would stop moving and become a target or straight up suicide themselves. >_>

 

[DevaAshera]

Imagine at TGA, mascot crash comes out again on stage with a megaphone and another crate but instead of a trophy it’s an envelope.

If it was TGA, it wouldn't be the Mascot Crash we know, let alone our commercials for it..it'd be this one, the Japanese version of Crash.
https://www.deviantart.com/krazykari/art/StD-Japanese-Supairo-Mascot-Pics-438900281

 

[SKX31]

Wait a sec. Again.

I honestly missed this little rumor (note, this is unverified and treat it as such unless official word comes out) which surfaced on the Chinese Web October 31st. The rumor claims this:

* That the Switch's Chinese release is going to be Dec. 10 - before TGA (Dec 12.).
* $300 price tag. Same price as in the US.
* Same hardware specs as the normal, international version - alongside one year of warranty. If true this bodes well for Nintendo.

Now, something else that also appeared on the Chinese web, same day (Oct. 31):

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Tried to load the site now, it still works! And it still displays "Nintendo S"! Although no items are yet on it.

As for my comments:

Given that Tencent's begun posting about past Mario games and they've openly teased about the launch, this rumor could actually hold some weight (the linked posts came after the rumor mind). Take it with a major grain of salt, as usual, but at the rate this is going it might not be too long anyway. I can actually see the specs being unchanged, since the Switch is built on mobile architecture. Could also see the price being unchanged.

Anyway, we have a probable earliest date. Umm, that's really early. My guess was by April 2020, by the way. They better have that presentation / official reveal in the pipeline if that's the case. OTOH, they've shown off Odyssey, BOTW and Lets Go* at their last presentation, and NSMBU was officially approved. My gut tells me they'll have a pretty good selection ready for the launch. They didn't release the Switch with just NSMBU, after all. FTR, the government approves games on a roughly monthly basis, and last batch (including NSMBU) was Oct. 25.

As for how this relates to Smash? Smash could be one of the games shown at the presentation, no matter when it actually takes place. Look out though if it gets approved this next go around. If it isn't approved this month, then it's likely a later (perhaps Q1-Q2 2020) release given how absolutely onerous the Chinese government often is.

Again, the presentation's a major (and honestly pretty unlikely) wildcard for FP5. I won't rule it out in case Nintendo and Tencent saw an opportunity to go for it, even with Terry present. A Post-Pass character being shown at a Chinese presentation / event seems much more likely. Still, I won't rule out previously speculated ideas such as FP being bundled with the Chinese release (it'd be really weird to have Terry in ads only to have him cost another $5, and you're asking this on a possibly $300 console there. Bundling would be smarter if you're getting into a region for the first time and need a bonus to help entice people).

*(There are even special Pikachu / Eevee Sneakers in China. Huh.)

 

[SNEKeater]

I mean if someone's really expecting a Sony character based on the tournament that Famitsu will make you will be disappointed.

Btw now that some of you mention Death Stranding the game has a clear and direct reference to Nintendo lmao

He said that before the Cuphead and Ori ports were announced I believe, there was a good chance he was talking about those.

the "Mario on Playstation" thing was an example and it probably was referencing Halo on Switch or something. Cuphead and Ori aren't flagship Microsoft titles. Maybe King Zell is wrong, but if he put "Mario on PS" as an example it must be Halo on Switch. No doubts about it.

My immediate thoughts were Kratos if there was any fighter news. On the other hand I would lowkey love Sony Spider-Man in Smash but that'll never happen lol.

I don't want to be that guy but Sony doesn't own Spiderman, they only have the rights for movies. Anything else for Spidey is owned by Disney, including videogames.

 

[Night Gale]

May be completely non-viable and I'm sure it's not an original thought, but thinking back on the Ico and Yorda pairing I mentioned, one idea that I had in mind would be a partner mechanic where the partner is actually the target. Something where Ico is actually resilient, but Yorda is incredibly weak, and if taken out, Ico loses a stock.

Escort mission, the character!

Fwiw, GK, I've joked about a Leon Kennedy move list where he has to hide Ashley in a garbage dumpster and protect her at all cost once it breaks, but he can also use it as a cover system to safely aim his gun. However, an escort mission based character would be the antithesis of entertainment and terribly umbalanced.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I don't want to be that guy but Sony doesn't own Spiderman, they only have the rights for movies. Anything else for Spidey is owned by Disney, including videogames.

Movies, Live-action TV, and 'animated TV series longer than 44 minutes' from a brief Google...
Googling specifically because I remember hearing that the original deal they struck back when Marvel was its own thing actually gave Sony partial authority over the property as a whole. As in, they could weigh in or potentially veto developments in the comics.

Couldn't find specifics of that at this point, but I do know the agreement was significantly stronger than most comic-licensing agreements at its inception. It was partially-renegotiated some years back though, so I don't know how much of that remains.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Again, the presentation's a major (and honestly pretty unlikely) wildcard for FP5. I won't rule it out in case Nintendo and Tencent saw an opportunity to go for it, even with Terry present. A Post-Pass character being shown at a Chinese presentation / event seems much more likely. Still, I won't rule out previously speculated ideas such as FP being bundled with the Chinese release (it'd be really weird to have Terry in ads only to have him cost another $5, and you're asking this on a possibly $300 console there. Bundling would be smarter if you're getting into a region for the first time and need a bonus to help entice people).

I agree on the Post-Pass stuff, especially because if the release is successful, the Chinese Nintendo presentations might become more mainstream, on par with the others... which isn't exactly the state they're in right now.

Regardless, a release before TGA... that's really early. When can we expect the next batch of games to be approved? Because it's likely that's when we'll see Smash.

 

[JustMyself13]

If it was TGA, it wouldn't be the Mascot Crash we know, let alone our commercials for it..it'd be this one, the Japanese version of Crash.
https://www.deviantart.com/krazykari/art/StD-Japanese-Supairo-Mascot-Pics-438900281

https://www.destructoid.com//ul/534112-CrashGeoff.jpg
They announced CTR with mascot crash at last year’s game awards though.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Major problem with releasing in the Chinese Market is a lot of products these days call back to their earlier versions. Such things may be lost on a Chinese audience who probably would have been still under actual communisim back than as opposed to the lip service version they have nowadays.

That's why Star Wars Episode 7 did so poorly over there.

I hope Nintendo's gameplay speaks for itself because they can't use nostalgia like they usually do.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

My immediate thoughts were Kratos if there was any fighter news. On the other hand I would lowkey love Sony Spider-Man in Smash but that'll never happen lol.

I mean if someone's really expecting a Sony character based on the tournament that Famitsu will make you will be disappointed.

Btw now that some of you mention Death Stranding the game has a clear and direct reference to Nintendo lmao



the "Mario on Playstation" thing was an example and it probably was referencing Halo on Switch or something. Cuphead and Ori aren't flagship Microsoft titles. Maybe King Zell is wrong, but if he put "Mario on PS" as an example it must be Halo on Switch. No doubts about it.



I don't want to be that guy but Sony doesn't own Spiderman, they only have the rights for movies. Anything else for Spidey is owned by Disney, including videogames.

I also hate being that guy, but Spider-Man first and foremost is a COMIC BOOK character! Yes, he’s had video games, but his main source material that originated from is from comic books first!

I know as of these days we like to say, Smash almost don’t have any actual rules anymore, aside from some minor exceptions, but if there is STILL one rule left standing, it has to be: “it must be from video game origin” or they have to be strictly video game characters! That’s really the only rule left to when it comes to a character inclusion for Smash.

It’s like comic book characters are becoming the new argument, like anime characters. It doesn’t help that just yesterday, I saw someone on Twitter really ask for Wolverine and tried to make an argument for that. Besides if Sony really were to get one anyway, it would be Kratos or even Nathan Drake.

 

[Night Gale]

No one genuinely believes that Spiderman is happening, sis. Sheeeeeit.

Though on the subject of Sony characters I wouldn't mind seeing her in Super Smash.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

No one genuinely believes that Spiderman is happening, sis. Sheeeeeit.

Though on the subject of Sony characters.

The fact that people are suggesting the infamous Spider-Man 2 Pizza Delivery theme as his sole music track should've given away that it's all just a joke.

Also, now we know which character the Monster Hunter Mii Fighter costumes will come with.

 

[SvartWolf]

No one genuinely believes that Spiderman is happening, sis. Sheeeeeit.

Though on the subject of Sony characters I wouldn't mind seeing her in Super Smash.

Spiderman is in Goku's bag. A good videogame history and there are people that would love him unironcally, but still not a videogame character.

 

[RileyXY1]

Who's saying that Sony's going to get a character?

 

[P.Kat]

Ok guys, new game:
Make your own idea for how an interruption reveal could be for a character of your choice, I’ll give you an example:

Halfway through the show, the host is midway through a sentence and the lights go off, and the the screen changes and it just has a logo, a siren is going off for the audience and a Robotic Female Voice says “WARNING:THE SLAYER HAS ENTERED THE FACILITY” que Doom slayers trailer

The host goes through the schedule for the rest VGA, when all of a sudden a thick squiggly line is drawn over the screen with a paintbrush, then a spiral, and other shapes. The host asks "Who's doing this? Is it you (insert random name)?" Then the screen and the lights fades to Sepia Tone, and the brush paints the entire screen black.

The lights go out, and a gibberish voice says in text on the screen "I know you wanted to leave your mark, but this is ridiculous, I can't see my hand, how about shedding some light in here?" the mysterious figure draws the Sun, enlightening the entire place in wonderful colors, revealing herself to be Amaterasu with Issun next to her, a familiar letter carried by the wind flattens Issun and appears at Ammy's feet.

AMMY MAKES HER MARK!

Realistically I think a Sony Rep would either be Ratchet and Clank or Kratos but the ones I want are indesputable to all 17 of us who actually played their games

Spoiler: Precious Gravity Girls

Yes! All my yes if it happens.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Who's saying that Sony's going to get a character?

There's gonna be a Smash Bros. tournament hosted by Famitsu, with the competitors all being representatives of different companies... one of them being Sony, which naturally lead people to speculate the possibility of a Sony character getting into Smash.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think that Sony is getting a character in Smash because of lingering resentment towards Nintendo and Sony's reluctance for cross-play. As far as I remember, they marketed the lack of cross-play.

 

[SKX31]

I agree on the Post-Pass stuff, especially because if the release is successful, the Chinese Nintendo presentations might become more mainstream, on par with the others... which isn't exactly the state they're in right now.

Regardless, a release before TGA... that's really early. When can we expect the next batch of games to be approved? Because it's likely that's when we'll see Smash.

The last batch was October 25th, so pretty darn soon is my guess.

While, I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm refusing to call the Switch's fortunes there without knowing crucial details, like whether there'll be a region lock or not. FTR, your average Chinese would love to avoid region locks completely:

“I can still play anywhere in the world if I buy the Hong Kong, Japanese or American version. Buying the Chinese version means bearing the risks of a region lock and game alterations,” wrote one Weibo user.

“If there’s no region lock, I will buy it on release!” said another.

Another problem I can see is A) China has virtually no console history partly due to the ban (that's why Tencent only promised a few million Switches), and B) it is a difficult environment to release into. Still, Nintendo's library of games look to be solid, and Chinese fans have been very interested in the Switch. The main Switch fan account I'm monitoring routinely gets 50K+ views even on lesser known games like Daemon X Machina. 100K+ is not too uncommon either.

Major problem with releasing in the Chinese Market is a lot of products these days call back to their earlier versions. Such things may be lost on a Chinese audience who probably would have been still under actual communisim back than as opposed to the lip service version they have nowadays.

That's why Star Wars Episode 7 did so poorly over there.

I hope Nintendo's gameplay speaks for itself because they can't use nostalgia like they usually do.

That's very much true - on the other hand all three main flagships have something going for them:

* At the last presentation Odyssey, BOTW and Pokemon were exhibited. Photos from the event (ChinaJoy) confirm that BOTW garnered really high interest, and there was a section of fans loudly protesting against Genshin Impact; it was percieved as a Zelda clone.

* Pokemon is a really popular franchise on its own there, to the point that those exclusive Pikachu / Eevee sneakers were released there. So the possibility of Pokemon games being released there legally - even Sword / Shield by the looks of it (if only because they're the first mainline games arriving there legally) - have people looking forward to the opportunity. People were monitoring Western reviews, metacritic score as well as the controversies like eagles.

* Mario games have also consistently high interest, outside of being currently pushed. When Tencent started posting about the old Super Mario games, people were asking about "When's the release? When's the release?" anxiously.

*Add to that, the third party support looks good overall. Funnily enough, the highest viewcount I've seen on Chinese social media so far (outside of a Chinese video detailing Smash's history, which has 280K+ views) belongs to Gensou Skydrift's Switch trailer (Touhou), which has 250K+ views. Overwatch's Switch trailer is not far behind IIRC. Even Persona 5, Daemon X Machina and Atelier garners solid interest there.

I'm pretty confident that Nintendo's gameplay speaks for itself, yes. Main reason I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

[Night Gale]

Who's saying that Sony's going to get a character?

From what I gathered, they're a hot topic because of a special Smash tournament involving different company's employees or some ****, and Sony is competing in it.

Idc about Banjo-Kazooie's previous ties with Nintendo, once Microsoft got in, I believed that Sony was fair game. It's a possibility even if we try to convince ourselves otherwise.

 

[RileyXY1]

From what I gathered, they're a hot topic because of a special Smash tournament involving different company's employees or some ****, and Sony is competing in it.

Idc about his previous ties with Nintendo, once Microsoft got in, I believed that Sony was fair game. It's a possibility even if we try to convince ourselves otherwise.

I think that Nintendo might be forced to put Ultimate on the PS4 if a Sony character got in, and I don't think that they would do that.

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning everyone.

Man, you guys sure had too much fun speculating about Sony.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The real Sony rep is going to be Tobey Maguire Spider-Man. He's only going to come with one song and I bet I don't even need to say what it is. Emo Peter Parker from Spider-Man 3 is going to be one of his alts and one of his taunts is just the dance from Spider-Man 3 in its entirity.

Major problem with releasing in the Chinese Market is a lot of products these days call back to their earlier versions. Such things may be lost on a Chinese audience who probably would have been still under actual communisim back than as opposed to the lip service version they have nowadays.

That's why Star Wars Episode 7 did so poorly over there.

I hope Nintendo's gameplay speaks for itself because they can't use nostalgia like they usually do.

From what I saw Star Wars typically doesn't do too well in China period

 

[Deleted member]

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From what I saw Star Wars typically doesn't do too well in China period

The wait for that meme was totally worth it XD.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I think that Nintendo might be forced to put Ultimate on the PS4 if a Sony character got in, and I don't think that they would do that.

Uuuh, not really though? If Microsoft didn't force Nintendo to put Ultimate on their console, why would Sony do the same? I'm no lawyer, but I don't think that's how these contracts work.

My stance on a Sony character is generally "chances aren't zero, but it's not likely at all".

Though in terms of hype, it's arguably one of the few big hurdles that Smash hasn't jumped yet in my opinion and I know a friend who would love Kratos, so...

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning everyone.

Man, you guys sure had too much fun speculating about Sony.

It would debatably be the most surprising way to end off the FP. You know, if it isn't leaked.

 

[RileyXY1]

Uuuh, not really though? If Microsoft didn't force Nintendo to put Ultimate on their console, why would Sony do the same? I'm no lawyer, but I don't think that's how these contracts work.

My stance on a Sony character is generally "chances aren't zero, but it's not likely at all".

Though in terms of hype, it's arguably one of the few big hurdles that Smash hasn't jumped yet in my opinion and I know a friend who would love Kratos, so...

Microsoft didn't because they're a lot friendlier with Nintendo than Sony is. Sony themselves usually want to do things their own way. They didn't jump on the cross-play bandwagon that Nintendo and Microsoft jumped on, to the point where they marketed the lack of cross-play.

 

[Deleted member]

My stance on a Sony character is generally "chances aren't zero, but it's not likely at all".

Sakurai even said...umm...something about working with competitors and stuff? I dunno.

It would debatably be the most surprising way to end off the FP. You know, if it isn't leaked.

And it would still be quite disappointing for me if it was both leaked and male.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai even said...umm...something about working with competitors and stuff? I dunno.



And it would still be quite disappointing for me if it was both leaked and male.

Then it turns out to be Ellie Last Of Us. Her final smash is a lesbian dying

 

[RileyXY1]

I myself would be upset with a male only pass. The vast majority of my most wanted characters are female.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Microsoft didn't because they're a lot friendlier with Nintendo than Sony is. Sony themselves usually want to do things their own way. They didn't jump on the cross-play bandwagon that Nintendo and Microsoft jumped on, to the point where they marketed the lack of cross-play.

They still get free advertising without having to lift a finger, and if I recall correctly, they actually started testing crossplay with Fortnite.

edit: just googled it, and yeah, Sony has opened up to crossplay.

edit2: well golly, maybe Sony is just dumb. Locking accounts to their system? geez.

 

[Deleted member]

Then it turns out to be Ellie Last Of Us. Her final smash is a lesbian dying

That would be quite...upsetting to know.

I myself would be upset with a male only pass. The vast majority of my most wanted characters are female.

That's all the potential wasted. ****.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They still get free advertising without having to lift a finger, and if I recall correctly, they actually started testing crossplay with Fortnite.

Yes and no, they're testing it but only after they pulled a ridiculous stunt that locked people's accounts to the ps4, so if you played Fortnite on the ps4, you wouldn't be able to play on PC, Switch, Xbox, etc

 

[TheCJBrine]

Yes and no, they're testing it but only after they pulled a ridiculous stunt that locked people's accounts to the ps4, so if you played Fortnite on the ps4, you wouldn't be able to play on PC, Switch, Xbox, etc

Oh.

That sounds pretty stupid.

 

[RileyXY1]

They still get free advertising without having to lift a finger, and if I recall correctly, they actually started testing crossplay with Fortnite.

edit: just googled it, and yeah, Sony has opened up to crossplay.

edit2: well golly, maybe Sony is just dumb.

However, they only did it to correct a PR disaster that Cutie Gwen mentioned above.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Microsoft didn't because they're a lot friendlier with Nintendo than Sony is. Sony themselves usually want to do things their own way. They didn't jump on the cross-play bandwagon that Nintendo and Microsoft jumped on, to the point where they marketed the lack of cross-play.

Even so, I hardly think they would do that. Sony has helped with other stuff in games for Nintendo console (like publishing and music, as others pointed a few pages back). Despite the whole crossplay debacle, methinks they'd still do it if it meant free advertisement.

Oh.

That sounds pretty stupid.

Oh, it was. Especially when their PR people kept talking about how they didn't think crossplay was necessary despite all the blocked accounts that people, you know, sometimes spent money on for cosmetics.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't know which Sony reps could get in. Most of them are from extremely violent franchises, like God of War for example.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Wait, so the accounts aren’t locked anymore?

It seems they’ve opened up to allow crossplay for any developer who wants it for their games, too, not just Fortnite, so at least they’re willing to budge.

 

[Pokelego999]

I don't know which Sony reps could get in. Most of them are from extremely violent franchises, like God of War for example.

Not that I'm supporting them but, cough cough bayonetta cough cough

 

[BZL8]

I don't know which Sony reps could get in. Most of them are from extremely violent franchises, like God of War for example.

When Smash has several “M” rated franchises represented (Metal Gear and Bayonetta stand out), I think discussing the violent nature of franchises is rather redundant.

 

[RileyXY1]

Not that I'm supporting them but, cough cough bayonetta cough cough

I don't know how they would censor Kratos without completely neutering the character.