Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Plank08]

Why do you think I’m joking? How many Japanese friends do you have? Do you speak Japanese?

Wat

 

[NoBS]

Wat

It was a rhetorical question because you don’t know what you’re talking about yet you were questioning me as if you did. Master chief is a nobody in japan.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Only prediction I'll make about FP5 is that I and 99% of this fanbase will be wrong.

Me: The 1% saying it's Kunio.

Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is.

No they haven't. It's just the same 4 people over and over again. Half of them with Touhou avatars.

The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

Prior to this thread, I'd only ever heard of Touhou from appearances on Salty Bet.

It's basically like Dragon Quests, it's like "AHAHA, what is a DQ???" (or what's an SNK alternatively) when DQ basically made 3/4 of the game mechanisms in JRPG we play today kind of deal.

That's BS, because casual gamers outside of Japan have at least HEARD of DQ, even if they don't play the games. And Dragon Warrior was actually a popular series on the NES.

Look at the view counts for these English titled videos and tell me that's obscure.
This is just music]

Yes, because the music is more popular than the games. And is regularly memed in ways the games themselves aren't.

But now we have some in this thread crapping on Reimu and calling her "just another anime girl in a skirt."

...nobody has said that. They're saying they've never heard of her.

Why would anyone go "another anime girl in a skirt" when Smash doesn't HAVE any anime girls in skirts yet?

Okay on another note, which unrepresented series/game in Smash do you want music from?

Chrono Trigger.

 

[Plank08]

It was a rhetorical question because you don’t know what you’re talking about yet you were questioning me as if you did. Master chief is a nobody in japan.

Oh I thought you were talking about worldwide, silly mistake, my bad

 

[Yacobo]

Not what I was talking about earlier, but I really don't think we'll be getting Reimu as a playable fighter. Sans, a character that was really popular in Japan, along with the West, AND was really commonly requested still only got a mii costume. All Reimu has going for her as an indie character is Touhou being big in Japan.

 

[Deleted member]

Not what I was talking about earlier, but I really don't think we'll be getting Reimu as a playable fighter. Sans, a character that was really popular in Japan, along with the West, AND was really commonly requested still only got a mii costume. All Reimu has going for her as an indie character is Touhou being big in Japan.

If Mii Costumes and Spirits are the only thing Western indies have and Japanese indies get a whole character slot....

 

[Ben Holt]

If Mii Costumes and Spirits are the only thing Western indies have and Japanese indies get a whole character slot....

I am almost certain that the first playable Indie character in Smash will be Shovel Knight.

 

[Deleted member]

I am almost certain that the first playable Indie character in Smash will be Shovel Knight.

Shovel Knight's an Assist tho.

 

[Ben Holt]

Shovel Knight's an Assist tho.

Does that tell you anything about the chances I give Shantae and Hollow Knight?

 

[Yacobo]

I am almost certain that the first playable Indie character in Smash will be Shovel Knight.

I think Sans is more likely because of how amazing the reception was to his mii costume. I'm willing to bet he sold more than any other mii costume by a wide margine.

 

[TheYungLink]

I don't really like to think that we have any "frontrunners" for playable indie characters in Smash. I think, in Sakurai's eye, that no indie character is more "due" than any other. He'll pick whoever he wants, if he picks an indie character at all. Which, on a long enough timeline, I think he will.

 

[Yacobo]

I don't really like to think that we have any "frontrunners" for playable indie characters in Smash. I think, in Sakurai's eye, that no indie character is more "due" than any other. He'll pick whoever he wants, if he picks an indie character at all. Which, on a long enough timeline, I think he will.

I agree to an extent but I don't think it's a coincidence that the 3 indies present in Ultimate were by far the most discussed and requested.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I agree to an extent but I don't think it's a coincidence that the 3 indies present in Ultimate were by far the most discussed and requested.

On that same token, one can say that it's no coincidence that they are all western owned characters, something that took 20 years to be playable in Smash.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Yes, because the music is more popular than the games. And is regularly memed in ways the games themselves aren't.

Which is fine. A good portion of Touhou's fanbase enjoys it for the secondary content.
There are many people into the music, the characters, and the world, even if they don't particularly care for shmups.

Doesn't mean they wouldn't have their interest piqued by Touhou content in Smash.

...nobody has said that. They're saying they've never heard of her.

Why would anyone go "another anime girl in a skirt" when Smash doesn't HAVE any anime girls in skirts yet?

To be fair, one person specifically did...

I would be very surprised to see Reimu in Smash. She's just another skirtwearing anime lady.

Same **** with Haruka Amami and that Famicom Detective Club kid

You even liked the post

 

[DarthEnderX]

To be fair, one person specifically did...

They did?

You even liked the post

Well ****.

 

[LightKnight]

Even if FP5 isn't a much anticipated character that leaves many of the western audience wanting I believe the dust would settle quickly as they eagerly await the next fighter/s. Especially with some people thinking just about anything (game related) is possible with this new batch.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Even if FP5 isn't a much anticipated character that leaves many of the western audience wanting I believe the dust would settle quickly as they eagerly await the next fighter/s. Especially with some people thinking just about anything (game related) is possible with this new batch.

There's a reason I've been expecting the final character to be somewhat obscure, and it's the announcement of new fighters before revealing the 5th and Sakurai's statement about recognizabily is less important than fun. I never thought it would make sense to announce more fighters if the last character was some mega hype addition, but if it was something that disappointed people then the prospect of knowing more is on the way would alleviate knee jerk negative reactions.

Though, that's just my 2 cents.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

My god this confuses me more than Kingdom Hearts lore.

I'm donw talkin' bout it.

Dark souls lore is not nearly as difficult to grasp as KH infact the lore to dark souls is up to you to investigate the game doesn't really tell you anything you have to explore and learn stuff

 

[Deleted member]

I guess this is the time the thread is asleep...

 

[PsychoJosh]

I've been feeling the creative itch so I've started drawing up my moveset concept for F-Type from Stunt Race FX. Not much to it yet, I just drew his profile picture and added some basic stats. I'm going to be drawing diagrams of how his special moves work.

 

[Lamperouge]

For anyone wondering how much DLC we might get, this might be a good indicator

https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/1193728940105297920?s=20


EDIT: Didn't upwrap like I thought it would. Link says that the Fighters pass sold very well

Nintendo would really have to hate money if they skimp out on additional DLC for this game. I will be shocked if we don't receive another full set of characters after fighter #5.

 

[Ben Holt]

In my opinion, I think that worst case scenario, we get 5 more fighters after the first pass. But best case scenario, they keep doling out DLC until the Switch dies, which could be 20+.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

After stubbornly resisting it for ages (See all of SF4's editions and Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom) Japan's really embraced DLC with gusto.

I won't be surprised if they go for the full 16 DLC characters

 

[Herocin]

We are probably going to get another 5. 4 if it happens to not be an additional Fighter pass

 

[Will]

I see another 5 or 6 possible, but I don't think it'll be another Fighter's Pass. They'll probably keep going until the end of 2021, but that's just my opinion.

 

[MooMew64]

Don't think we're gonna get another pass. I personally think we got 3, maybe 4 if we're lucky left, and that's including FP5.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I disagree. I think it's clear they're looking at what other fighting games are doing with season passes and adopting the same model.

 

[MooMew64]

I disagree. I think it's clear they're looking at what other fighting games are doing with season passes and adopting the same model.

They would've announced another pass if one was coming IMO. To use an analogy, I really do think post-pass is gonna be like extra cherries on top rather than another full on cake.

 

[Deleted member]

In my opinion, I think that worst case scenario, we get 5 more fighters after the first pass. But best case scenario, they keep doling out DLC until the Switch dies, which could be 20+.

I for one support this idea. The game's lifespan is looking really really good.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I just had a sobering thought.

Character number 5 will be the one who's free with the purchase of the pass.

It could be Mr. Tickle from Mr. Men at this point and it wouldn't' change anything.

 

[Deleted member]

I just had a sobering thought.

Character number 5 will be the one who's free with the purchase of the pass.

It could be Mr. Tickle from Mr. Men at this point and it wouldn't' change anything.

I don't bet on Nintendo doing that, but I could see them give a free character to start the second pass. Honestly it'll be Geno just to shut them all up.

 

[JustMyself13]

No one ever talks about him, but the indie character I’d want is CommanderVideo. I believe he was the first indie representation in Smash Bros, as he got a trophy in Smash 4, and his games practically defined Wiiware. It would be cool to get another flat character based around sprite art as well.

 

[TheTuninator]

That's BS, because casual gamers outside of Japan have at least HEARD of DQ, even if they don't play the games. And Dragon Warrior was actually a popular series on the NES.

I've been playing video games for 20 years and I'd literally never heard of Dragon Quest before the E3 reveal. It's extremely niche in the west.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Nintendo would really have to hate money if they skimp out on additional DLC for this game. I will be shocked if we don't receive another full set of characters after fighter #5.

You did remember they already confirmed a wave 2 right after they revealed terry right?

 

[JustMyself13]

I've been playing video games for 20 years and I'd literally never heard of Dragon Quest before the E3 reveal. It's extremely niche in the west.

That’s only based on your personal experience, though. While you believe that Dragon Quest is niche in the West because you personally haven’t heard about it, there’s surely data to suggest that the games do sell here and have influence. A major difference is that the Dragon Quest games are localized and easily playable in the West, while Touhou games are mostly exclusive to Japan.

 

[Flyboy]

I've been playing video games for 20 years and I'd literally never heard of Dragon Quest before the E3 reveal. It's extremely niche in the west.

Uhhh

Like, how? It's been featured in Nintendo Directs multiple times, not just DQ11S but before that the port of 8 for the 3DS was given the red carpet treatment. I can understand not knowing the NES era Dragon Warrior games and I can understand not knowing the Japanese exclusive DS games but it's baffling that people who follow any level of Nintendo news wouldn't have at least heard about it in passing.

Maybe it's just because I obsessively read gaming magazines growing up but it always feels like people have gaps in their knowledge to the point that they haven't even heard of big games tangentially. It really isn't that niche.

 

[MooMew64]

All I'm saying is that they never said another pass was in development. All they said was "more fighters". That really could mean anything and any amount; even only 3 more would be "extra". I simply would just caution overhyping, I really doubt we're gonna see 16+ characters for this game's DLC like everyone is thinking.

 

[Sari]

Even if you haven't really heard much about DQ, I find it hard to believe that someone could go 20 years without seeing this guy at least once in their life.

I didn't start playing the DQ games until a few years ago, but even then I always saw slime pop up in references and general gaming videos.

 

[MooMew64]

If you follow Nintendo like, at all, I feel you would have to physically try to avoid seeing anything DQ related at least once. They've been in Directs a bunch for like the past 5 years now. Somehow still knowing nothing at all about it would be kind of impressive if one claims to actually watch those Directs, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

No one ever talks about him, but the indie character I’d want is CommanderVideo. I believe he was the first indie representation in Smash Bros, as he got a trophy in Smash 4, and his games practically defined Wiiware. It would be cool to get another flat character based around sprite art as well.

Nah, he's good for Runbow