Newbie Mafia 6 - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Newbie Land?!

[Clownbot]

I explained why I didn't like Gheb. And then he posted without replying. And I asked him why. And he said I was wrong. And then I asked him how. And ever since then he still hasn't provided a legit response.

 

[McFox]

go town go

 

[Deleted member]

Regarding McFox's death, I think we'll be able to get a lot of information about it if we looked at the remaining living players he had conflicts with. The most severe of this was with Ryker/Vi.

I will make a more informed vote later, as for now, Vote: Vi Verni

 

[vanderzant]

vanz if you take me out of the equation who would you consider along with dancer?

I don't know really, I'd say Gheb, but I'm not too sure.

 

[Swiss]

#1 suspect is SSBF, but that's just off the back of the case yesterday.

Regarding McFox's death, I think we'll be able to get a lot of information about it if we looked at the remaining living players he had conflicts with. The most severe of this was with Ryker/Vi.

I will make a more informed vote later, as for now, Vote: Vi Verni

It seemed to be Ryker pushing on McFox, never the other way around, so for Ryker/Vi to be scum and NK their main target (which people often agreed with) wouldn't really make any sense to me.

 

[Deleted member]

at least spell it right SSBF, it would be Vi veri, but please just say V.

and Swiss is right. mafia generally kills people that bother them. there would be no point in killing someone you're trying to get lynched instead.

 

[vanderzant]

Regarding McFox's death, I think we'll be able to get a lot of information about it if we looked at the remaining living players he had conflicts with. The most severe of this was with Ryker/Vi.

I will make a more informed vote later, as for now, Vote: Vi Verni

SSBF, please read the following quote:

I don't think either Swiss or Ryker is scum at the moment. Ryker's case on Swiss was obviously weak, but like I figured (and he confirms here), he was mostly grasping straws to get us out of RVS anyway. Ryker is understandably frustrated with my intervening, which I do not see coming from scum. Sure, he might be a bit miffed that I stepped in, but he wouldn't be as peeved as he is now if he were scum pushing a fake case on a townie.

And re-read it. It's from Post #159

You are voting V/Ryker because McFox had a conflict with him on Day 1, and yet straight after said conflict, McFox says "I don't think Ryker is scum."

And McFox was Town.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? You're either scum, or totally missing the point.

 

[Swiss]

Inactivity = scum play.

I'm really, really not liking today.

 

[vanderzant]

Slow game is slow >.>

@Gheb: Please give a stance on something. Or a vote.

@Vi: What Kat asked of you. Or at least give an opinion on what town should do toDay.

@Kat: Who's the play toDay? What's your opinion of SSBF/Gheb

@SSBF: Respond to what I've said toDay.

After we get the above, I'll be content, and then we can get a wagon on SSBF.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: Please give a stance on something. Or a vote.

Ok thought so. Anyone you finding scummy at the moment Gheb?

Right, I've been reevaluating stuff and I think toDay's play is between SSBF and Pap now. Hate to backpedal us into older posts but since Pap is a sub some of Rykers posts should be looked at - I find this one to be the most noteworthy:

FYI, rPSI is on my town list.

I like Gheb.

Kat can go. He's not DOING anything. He's pretending like he's doing things, but he's not really doing anything at all.

McFox is icky. So is Vand.

So scum will be a combination of The Guide, McFox, Vand, and Kat.

These are the kind of posts I don't expect from a townie especially not on D2. Since scum knows who's town and whos not it's very safe for scum to make such lists and look credible in the process. It includes kind of everything to make sure he's right for the most part (aka once Scumbag in his scumlist, lots of correct townreads etc).

ok rPSI is now at L-3 and if there is anything I want to avoid it is a no lynch.

Therefore
Vote: rPSI
For not brining up that case

That looks like a sheepish justification to vote PSI later on - for "not bringing up that case"? Do you always vote people who don't bring up cases, are these people always the scumbags? I think a townie would've just hopped that wagon (unless he's adamant on PSI being town) without giving a deep reason and especially not for sucha crappy one.

Those are some interesting point you bring up on SSBF, however it seems that is just how he plays, given the games that I've been (and still) are in with him.

well not if he actually gets more scummy, but this is about the last day, considering the number of players left, that we can lynch someone that just isn't helping.

Regarding McFox's death, I think we'll be able to get a lot of information about it if we looked at the remaining living players he had conflicts with. The most severe of this was with Ryker/Vi.

I will make a more informed vote later, as for now, Vote: Vi Verni

Posts I'll keep in mind for later.

at least spell it right SSBF, it would be Vi veri, but please just say V.

and Swiss is right. mafia generally kills people that bother them. there would be no point in killing someone you're trying to get lynched instead.

Big talk about nighkills huh? Resident expert on the mafia's intention?

Vote Pap

Papryker Killer or SSBF should go toDay, SSBF mainly because he mucks thing up for me.

 

[vanderzant]

SSBF mainly because he mucks thing up for me

Hmm? What do you mean gheb?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Means I'd rather lynch him before lylo.

 

[Deleted member]

You are aware that lynching a townie now makes it LyLo?

 

[Kataefi]

i think I've lost my train of thought

@swiss - but then that could be exactly what they want you to believe =p - it's odd to me that V even commented on what you said. #646 basically says "scum never do that so therefore I am town".

V I'm considering your lynch, gheb brings up cool points I suggest you repond to them! go go go!

Vanz I suggest you do a reread on V as well.

all these V's =(

also Pap V could you respond to my last post plz

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You are aware that lynching a townie now makes it LyLo?

So you defend yourself ... by threatening the town?

 

[Deleted member]

as for "not bringing up case" vote. you mustn't make a promise along the lines of "will make a better post later" or "will elaborate on that vote" and then don't do it. that is indeed scummy behaviour.
that wasn't a "threat", just an observation. You wanted to lynch SSBF before LyLo, so I point out that your last chance for that probably is now. it has nothing to do with me dying.

On who I actually suspect, only SSBF looks scum, but he has in every game I've been in with him so far.
I'm going to do a reread because right now I'm not being helpful at all :/

 

[vanderzant]

Well nothing Vi has said so far has really struck me as being scummy to be honest.

I could never read Ryker though. He seemed to be pretty pro town in terms of scum hunting Day 1 and Day 2. The only thing he did that really bothered me was his constant "rPSI is town because I say so" posts.

 

[Deleted member]

SSBF, please read the following quote:

And re-read it. It's from Post #159

You are voting V/Ryker because McFox had a conflict with him on Day 1, and yet straight after said conflict, McFox says "I don't think Ryker is scum."

And McFox was Town.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? You're either scum, or totally missing the point.

That is his opinion, we don't really know if he is scum or not, unless you're scum yourself.

Also, I'd like to ask you a question. Why did you ask me to respond now instead of earlier? I can understand if you've forgotten and made a EBWOP saying that you want me to respond, but I thought you clearly just wanted me to know of that.

 

[vanderzant]

That is his opinion, we don't really know if he is scum or not, unless you're scum yourself.

Of course we don't know whether V/Ryker is scum.

You're saying "V/Ryker is scum" because "McFox had an argument/discussion with him" even though "McFox thought V/Ryker was town"

I'm saying that's a **** poor reason to lynch someone.

Why did you ask me to respond now instead of earlier? I can understand if you've forgotten and made a EBWOP saying that you want me to respond, but I thought you clearly just wanted me to know of that.

Well I voted you, and gave my reasoning, so I sort of expected you to defend yourself or tell me why I'm wrong (but you didn't).

If Town is going to lynch you (and you're town), shouldn't you at least TRY to say why you disagree against the case against you? I can see that scum might not want to give further information, but if you're town you should at least try and tell us why you shouldn't be lynched.

You can either agree, disagree or not just plain not respond to what I've said. You've done the latter, and it's up to you as to whether you do anything else.

 

[Xiivi]

Day 4 Vote Count 1:

Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01: Clownbot (

)
​

Kataefi: (0)
The Paprika Killer: Super Smash Bros. Fan, Gheb_01 (

)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: vanderzant (

)
Swiss: (0)
vanderzant: (0)
Not Voting: Kataefi, The Paprika Killer, Swiss (

)

Deadline for Day 4 has been set for May 16th, 2010 11:59PM EST.

4/7 to lynch.
​

 

[vanderzant]

EBWOP: So that my opinions aren't taken out of context, I'll add that I'm disagreeing with this:

Regarding McFox's death, I think we'll be able to get a lot of information about it if we looked at the remaining living players he had conflicts with. The most severe of this was with Ryker/Vi.

And am not in any way saying that since McFox thought Ryker was town, Ryker is town.

 

[Swiss]

First of all - Clown, that vote on Gheb is useless to us if everyone is concentrating on SSBF/Vi.

Vi, you said SSBF always comes across this scummy. Does he always make so many contradictions? Is this the 'scumminess' you are referring to? If not, what?

I thought Ryker was pretty pro town, but I also happen to know he is a very good player and so as a scum, would appear to be so. Pap has been far less townie than Ryker was, so why the change? Bah.


@ Pap - that re-read and analysis please?

 

[Deleted member]

Yes busy with it.
SSBF is just a strange player. good example:
DBZ mafia, twilight phase. everyone agreed to not put up big informative posts because it could help scum decide who to kill during the night.
guess what SSBF does? yes, he puts up a big informative post, and everybody was like *facepalm*
In Muppet mafia his first post was a semi-wall where he discussed the setup, which is really stupid a a first post anyway, but also kinfd of copy/pastes the standard setups for the amount of players we had.

I haven't actually seen him contradicting himself that much, (need to pay mre attention to it here) but in general he just gives me this "very dumb town" feeling.

 

[Deleted member]

DBZ mafia, twilight phase. everyone agreed to not put up big informative posts because it could help scum decide who to kill during the night.
guess what SSBF does? yes, he puts up a big informative post, and everybody was like *facepalm*

First off, I'd like to know where everyone agreed to not put up big informative posts. I checked from the beginning of the Twilight Phase to my post and I did not see an agreement made. Secondly, only Xonar, you, Rockin, and Sold2 actually made real responses to my post.

In Muppet mafia his first post was a semi-wall where he discussed the setup, which is really stupid a a first post anyway, but also kinfd of copy/pastes the standard setups for the amount of players we had.

Actually, my first post was me attacking a vote on Blue Yoshi demanding him to remove the vote off him.

 

[Swiss]

'Kay...

Let's try and stick to this game, eh guys?


@ Pap - the main thing I want to know is, if you don't want to lynch SSBF "dumb town", and I can only assume you don't want to lynch yourself, who do you recommend we look at and why?

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want SSBF in LyLo either and that is already knocking on our door.

 

[Swiss]

So you don't want him in LyLo, but you don't think he's scum either?

 

[Deleted member]

well that last thing I'm not yet sure on since I'm still rereading, but yes.

 

[vanderzant]

Kat, I did a reread of Ryker on Day 2, as part of an attempt to group players in my head. I'm purposely not looking at Day 1 pre Frohawk because I think that bussing is much less likely once scum were down a player. Here are my observations.

[collapse=Ryker Day 2 ISO Read]
#294: Votes me, FOS's Hida. Says either myself or Hida is scum, but not both
#303: Interesting quote here:

also why I think that one of the two are scum that you were trying to protect by pushing rPSI instead

He was referring to VitaminC/The_Guide as being "1 town 1 scum" because I pushed for a rPSI lynch Day 1.
#396: Says scum is a combo of Guide, McFox, Kat and Myself

Scum list: Kat, VC/Clown, Me (McFox, Guide)
Both*: Hida/Gheb
Town list: (rPSI)
No mention: Dancer/SSBF, Swiss[/collapse]

*It's worth mentioning that Ryker FOS'd Hida at the start of Day 2, and then later on said he liked Gheb (possibly from his push on Kat).

It's kind of ironic that he didn't give a stance on Swiss on Day 2 (after the crazy Day 1), but it's understandable as he wasn't a focus at all on Day 2.

He got angry (lol) at SSBF, but didn't say he thought he was scum. Strangely enough, he voted Dancer on day 1, but when SRB, McFox and rPSI (our dead townies) put early votes on Dancer day 2, he didn't give an opinion at all.

So if V/Ryker is in fact scum, I don't think Kat (and possibly Clown) will be scum. Other thing worth noting is that he didn't give a stance on Dancer (about the only player he didn't give an opinion on) despite voting him Day 1. But that's about all I got from him Day 2 lol.

I'm still undecided on V right now. I don't see anything scummy from him personally tbh.

 

[Clownbot]

First of all - Clown, that vote on Gheb is useless to us if everyone is concentrating on SSBF/Vi.

So?

I'm either missing something completely here or the rest of you are just letting him fly under the radar. Maybe I'm being an idiot but if there's something wrong with my reason for voting him feel free to point it out.

V is scummy to me but Ryker wasn't. I'm less inclined to go with V for that reason.

SSBF... I don't even know, man. He's probably my second suspect but what V said about him is just about right on the nose. He plays like this every game. He's kind of hard to read in that manner because even in Smash Bros (where he was scum) his play was fairly similar.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Waiting for Paps post...

 

[Deleted member]

SSBF... I don't even know, man. He's probably my second suspect but what V said about him is just about right on the nose. He plays like this every game. He's kind of hard to read in that manner because even in Smash Bros (where he was scum) his play was fairly similar.

I'm not sure why I'm hard to read if I apprently play similarly in every game.

I see myself playing more passively in this game then Smash Bros. Mafia, where I was a bit more aggressive. I think a better comparision would be my gameplay from Day 3 in The Muppet Mafia and the recently finished Tree Stump Mafia.

 

[Swiss]

Waiting for Paps post...

This.

(Blah blah 10 char.)

 

[vanderzant]

Lol SSBF you respond to the most random things.

@Kat: What's your take on SSBF?

There's not much else that I think needs to be discussed really. Once Pap gives us that recap I think we can get down to serious business.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Can we lynch Pap for his ridiculous stalling? Deadline is in two days and he hasn't done anything. If SSBF should go before lylo then so should Pap.

 

[Swiss]

It's been over 24 hours since Pap said he was 're-reading right now'...

I don't want to put him on L-1 in case he is town, but if we don't get a post from Pap very soon clearly explaining his stance on SSBF, and any other supicions/opinions he may have, I'm going to have to cast a vote blind.

 

[vanderzant]

It's shame that on Day 4 we are still lynching people for lurking . I'd still rather lynch SSBF at this point though. He hasn't really done anything toDay. I don't think Pap and SSBF are both scum (they're both basically trying to lynch each other), but on a similar vein, if one flips town I don't necessarily think the other will be scum.

 

[Deleted member]

It's shame that on Day 4 we are still lynching people for lurking . I'd still rather lynch SSBF at this point though. He hasn't really done anything toDay. I don't think Pap and SSBF are both scum (they're both basically trying to lynch each other), but on a similar vein, if one flips town I don't necessarily think the other will be scum.

If Vi Veri is trying to get rid of me, then I'm actually surprise that he hasn't casted a vote on me.

 

[vanderzant]

Well he said that he doesn't want you in Lylo.

 

[Swiss]

That's one of the things I want him to clear up.

He admitted he doesn't want SSBF in LyLo (which I have an issue with, stop giving mafia information) , yet he doesn't necessarily think he's scum..so he may be willing to lynch a townie? That would put us, assuming a NK on what, three townies & two scum? It just seems like a scum way of thinking to me...

Bah, post Pap, post!