Newbie Mafia 6 - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Newbie Land?!

[rPSIvysaur]

Anyway, @Kat earlier: Generally, I'm disliking how McFox and Swiss haven't really brought much to the table with there consistent votes towards me. They are generally just not being very helpful to town and being narrow-minded.
All other reasons for McFox have already been stated.
That said, FoS: McFox

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline for Day 3 has been set for May 6th, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 5/9 to lynch!
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Day 3 Vote Count 2:

Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01: Clownbot (

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Kataefi: (0)
McFox: Kataefi (

)
rPSI: McFox, Swiss (

)
Ryker: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: vanderzant (

)
Swiss: rPSI (

)
vanderzant: (0)
Not Voting:Gheb_01, Ryker, Super Smash Bros. Fan(

)

Ryker will be forcibly replaced if he does not post within 24 hours.

 

[vanderzant]

Wow so many replacements in this game...

Well I'm back from my vacation :D. Just read through everything. I'll weigh in on the discussion in a sec, but first I want to repost something I said late Day 2

I'm not going to point fingers, but I agree that a lot of players need to stop coasting off of the cases of others. Giving support/agreeing with others is fine, but it's hard to read people who aren't bringing up points of their own. It's why I was originally suspicious of rPSI day 1, but imo a lot of people are doing it today as well. I know you can't ALL be scum .

rPSI, I want to redirect this at you. I'd like to believe your "well everyone's tunnelling on me" stuff, and to be honest, some of the posts you defended yourself with Day 2 I found quite believable. As a newbie, I can relate to "stuffing up" but you have to realise that you are suspect no.1 right now.

I'm disliking how McFox and Swiss haven't really brought much to the table with there consistent votes towards me. They are generally just not being very helpful to town and being narrow-minded.

What you say may be a valid point, but unless you can strengthen your case with evidence or greater reasoning, no one is going to support it, as you are just being hypocritical (having not brought much to the table either.) Sure, targeting Swiss for being narrow minded if you're suspicious of him is fine, but that's not going to help anyone (e.g. If you are lynched and flip town, no one is going to say "well rPSI thought swiss was town so let's lynch him!"

tl;dr: If you want to help town, find something better for us to go on. You accuse others of being narrow minded, but I hear the same stuff from you over and over again. Also, I think I sound like I'm trying to coach rPSI in this post (which isn't intended).

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I'm studying for AP exams so I can't really make a solid case right now.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, @Kat earlier: Generally, I'm disliking how McFox and Swiss haven't really brought much to the table with there consistent votes towards me. They are generally just not being very helpful to town and being narrow-minded.
All other reasons for McFox have already been stated.
That said, FoS: McFox

I really do disagree with this statement. Both McFox and Swiss have been very good players in the game and are considering a lot of options. They aren't solely tunneling on you.

On top of that, both players have brought a lot to the table, especially McFox.

 

[vanderzant]

@Vanderzant: I mentioned in my huge post that rPSI was my 2nd suspect as of that time and I gave reasons why. He was OK on Day 2 so I went after The Guide, who was acting fairly scummy at the time.

However, I will Unvote until Ryker/Gheb give there thoughts in the game. Plus, I don't think rPSI commited OMGUS on Swiss, now that I read through parts of Day 3.

And you said you wanted a quote linking to SwordsRbroken not suspecting me. Here is proof on Post #433:

Ok. I just get the feeling that you are skimming quite frequently. That's twice now that I've had to vote you to simply make you answer my question. I see the same thing happening between you and Kat. I apologise if you have some sort of a language barrier, but to me this looks like a bad attempt at distancing yourself from the game.

Having reread the Gheb/Kat/McFox discussion, I find it quite difficult to digest anything from it. Some good points were raised, but I continually saw both sides take each others arguments out of context (e.g. gheb saying fro avoided kat, when fro posted like 9 times and avoided like half of the players in the game).

Overall, I find it hard to read any of the experienced players (Kat/Gheb/McFox/Ryker/and even SRB) in the game, because they seem to play different to what I'd expect from IC's. e.g.

Kat: At the start of the game pushed hard for other players (newbies especially) to weigh in on the discussion, while he didn't really do much himself until others pressured him about it. Never skims and responds to everything aimed (even if it it's indirectly) at him.

Gheb: Makes good points, but is very blunt (to the point) with things. Skims things (e.g. doesn't respond to every question that someone poses, didn't immediately respond to what Clown said a few posts back) but I can't tell if this is worth bringing up, or if it's just a neutral playstyle choice.

McFox: Was really active/put himself in the firing line Day 1, but has dropped off massively in terms of giving substance since then. Sure, he is always saying "player X is scummy" but when asked to elaborate he retorts with "I don't want to give scum all the answers." I saw this between him and Kat. Again, I don't know how to interpret this sort of play.

SRB: I thought he played incredibly similar to McFox day 2 (not giving substance), but he was town.

Same with Ryker, but since he's not been around it's irrelevant. Basically, I can find examples of scummy play from all of the above, but I struggle to prioritise into any form of "these players are scummy" and "this is just how X players mafia."

Starting to have mixed feellings about PSI being scum. Who has not openly suspected him at this point of the game? I'll double-check that later but I think almost everybody did and I'm not sure about scum bussing when their numbers are looking that bad. Am I the only player spotting that?

Ryker was adamant about him being town.

 

[vanderzant]

With that, Unvote

Vote: McFox

 

[vanderzant]

Gonna Unvote in pursuit of a better lead.

Vote: Super Smash Bros Fan

Ironically, this case gains strong backing if rPSI flips town. So it would make sense to post it after the flip, but out of fear of being NK'd (and the fact that I thought of it just then) I'm going to go ahead and post it now.

First, I'll give an overall read on him and then give evidence.

1) SSBF continually casts suspicion on a majority of players but gives no commitment or makes no attempt to put pressure on them. This has lead to some bad contradictions on his part. He's trying to show that he's scum hunting, and open to exploring other players in the thread, but at the same time not committing to voting or applying pressure. I believe he does this so he won't be accountable for any mislynches.

2) I want to point out how SSBF is constantly mentioning who he thinks is scum and town. It's been said earlier, but this just gives Mafia a clear hit list of who to kill each night

e.g. He seems to be riding McFox waay too much. I don't know why he thinks that McFox has been incredibly helpful since the start of Day 2, but he is adamant about it nonetheless.

Every second post of his seems to contain "these 4 players are likely scum"

On this note, SSBF also keeps bringing up how he thinks Ryker is scum, even though Ryker hasn't been around for a while. It'd be fine if he voted for him, but continually mentioning that Ryker is scum (again, with no commitment) when he is probably going to be replaced is unnecessary.

3) Another point is that his replies show that he is consistently skimming, and only responding if pressure is placed on him (e.g. twice I have had to vote him in order to get his attention). I don't think it's necessary to quote examples of his, as you only have to read toDay to see it.

Now for evidence:

1) Lack of committal

If anything, I consider Kataefi suspicious. He and SwordsRbroken got into an big argument wth each other and I"m getting the feeling that Kataefi could be an mafia member.

No commitment here. Just parroting earlier suspicions aimed at Kat. SRB hardly had a "big argument" with Kat either.

I'm thinking the remaining two scums are a combination of Swiss (Least likely), Kataefi, Ryker, and rPSI.

Ok fair enough.

I really do disagree with this statement. Both McFox and Swiss have been very good players in the game and are considering a lot of options. They aren't solely tunneling on you.

So you think that Swiss is contributing a lot, but he could be scum? Why throw his name around as suspicious (with no committal) if you think he has been a "very good player."

I'm sure either rPSI or The Guide is scum, but I don't think it's both. If The Guide is town, then rPSI is likely scum. If rPSI flips town, then The Guide is likely scum.

I pointed out earlier how scummy this mentality is. Why should we tunnel rPSI if guide flipped town? It's naive to assume these sorts of connections, but I guess if you want to go into day 3 and pursue him then that's fine, except

As for rPSI, my suspicion of him is increasing, starting with an OMGUS vote. He was okay on Day 2, but he was my top suspect on Day 1.

Right now, I'll do an Vote: rPSI until further notice.

However, I will Unvote until Ryker/Gheb give there thoughts in the game. Plus, I don't think rPSI commited OMGUS on Swiss, now that I read through parts of Day 3.

This is all you've done to pursue him. If guide flipping town is such a good reason for rPSI being scum, then why the lack of committal? Sure, you put him at L-1 (which, apart from being INCREDIBLY bad for town) shows you are ready to lynch him.

Yet, should another player hammer (and a mislynch occurs) you are straight away able to shift the blame to said player who hammered, when in fact you are largely to blame for putting him at L-1 "until further notice."

Finally, this relates back to skimming. You haven't responded/given reason why you would place a vote when 1) it puts rPSI at L-1 and 2) you aren't even certain in your vote

So SSBF, please respond to my points without skimming. Right now, I'm happy with lynching you over rPSI.

 

[McFox]

That was an interesting post Kat. I especially liked this part:

Let's stop and think what Mr fox has really done this game. In hindsight - ________________

It fits in nicely right next to this part:

So therefore his town 'results', for him to carry them through to D2 and consider them significant as he does in #299

...so... have I contributed... or have I not? Please choose one.

I do not know Ryker or Swiss' alignments. My "results" on them are synonymous with my "opinions" on them, if my use of terminology is confusing you. Sure, what I presented are not the ONLY possible situations of my D1 play, but I feel that they are the most likely. If you do not feel similarly, you should say why, instead of just blanket-accusing me of having insider knowledge.

But since it's so important to you, I'll go back and respond to Dancer's post in detail:

For example, how do you know, if Ryker was scum, that he would of changed cases?

I don't know that, and that was entirely not the point of what I was saying anyway. It didn't matter as much who Ryker was pursuing his case on, it was the fact that he got really pissed off at me that was my indication that he wasn't scum. If he was scum, he'd just appreciate that I was making myself an easy target. But he saw me as an obstacle instead of an opportunity. This does not read as scum play TO ME.

Again, if you disagree, you should say WHY, and not just that I am wrong.

Also, I really disagree with what you said about Swiss. I don't think at all what Swiss did neccassarly is a "town only" move. Since scum can communicate with anyone at any given time, I would think that one of his buddies (assuming he were scum) would tell him that not defending himself would come off badly. Even if one of his buddies didn't tell him, I'll think he'll still defend himself, as he seems smart enough to know that not defending himself would be scummy.

This is fair, but so far Swiss hasn't done anything that stands out as scummy in my mind, and don't forget he was accused by Ryker for shoddy reasons in the first place.

Generally, I'm disliking how McFox and Swiss haven't really brought much to the table with there consistent votes towards me.

Just because you have a reason for voting someone that is old does not mean that the reason is invalid. I thought you should have been lynched yesterDay, and just because you weren't doesn't mean that you get a free pass toDay. I still think you should be lynched.

McFox: Was really active/put himself in the firing line Day 1, but has dropped off massively in terms of giving substance since then. Sure, he is always saying "player X is scummy" but when asked to elaborate he retorts with "I don't want to give scum all the answers." I saw this between him and Kat. Again, I don't know how to interpret this sort of play.

I think I've been pretty forthright in why I want people lynched. rPSI, the reasons are numerous; if anyone actually needs me to repeat them then fine, but I'd think it'd be pretty unecessary at this point. rPSI was a good lynch yesterDay, and lucked out when town went with someone who started lurking instead. There's no reason that the cases made against rPSI shouldn't count toDay. As for Kat, I thought Gheb's post against him (you know the one I mean, the first one) was very astute in its observations. I added a little, but Kat's play since then (as I've mentioned) has done nothing to make me think he is town. There's really not much more "substance" that I can bring against either of them. The cases against both of them (I feel) are solid, and I'd be happy with their lynches.

Starting to have mixed feellings about PSI being scum. Who has not openly suspected him at this point of the game? I'll double-check that later but I think almost everybody did and I'm not sure about scum bussing when their numbers are looking that bad. Am I the only player spotting that?

I know what you mean, but it may have just been a case of rPSI acting so scummy that everyone noticed, so the remaining member had no choice.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I know what you mean, but it may have just been a case of rPSI acting so scummy that everyone noticed, so the remaining member had no choice.

Ryker was adamant about him being town.

I take it then that Ryker would be the player to look at in the event that PSI flips scum?

 

[Xiivi]

The Paprika Killer replaces Ryker.

 

[Deleted member]

*rereading*

 

[Deleted member]

@mod: do I count as IC? Ryker was. (I read the IC part in ruleset and I don't even know if it is even applicable at this point)

lot of talk about RVS btw.

 

[Xiivi]

The Paprika Killer is considered an SE.

 

[Clownbot]

Gheb, did you not see my post on you or are you just shrugging it off?

 

[vanderzant]

I take it then that Ryker would be the player to look at in the event that PSI flips scum?

Yeah I'd say so.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, did you not see my post on you or are you just shrugging it off?

I saw it.

Yeah I'd say so.

Well the thing is that this kind of behaviour looks typical for Ryker.

Pap, do you think PSI is suspect?

 

[vanderzant]

Well the thing is that this kind of behaviour looks typical for Ryker.

Lol yeah, I definitely don't think pap should get quick lynched if psi flips scum.

Right now, SSBF hasn't responded to my accusations (de ja vu with The_guide, anyone?), but I saw he was busy posting in his other Mafia games for a couple hours, so I'll be lenient. I still expect a response before the day is over, and it would be good for others to give opinions once he's done so.

I'm still fine with a rPSI lynch toDay (even if I'm not as confident in it as I should be). If I counted right, we still have at least 2 mislynches before it's MYLO (fairly certain this means mislynch and lose, please correct me if I'm wrong lol).

 

[Swiss]

I'm almost just posting to avoid a prod. I'm trying to persue my case on rPSI and he's about as active as a dodo. That said FoS: SSBF from the Vanz post last page highlighting the contradictions he's made.


This:

Pap, do you think PSI is suspect?

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline for Day 3 has been set for May 6th, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 5/9 to lynch!
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Day 3 Vote Count 3:

Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01: Clownbot (

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Kataefi: (0)
McFox: Kataefi (

)
rPSI: McFox, Swiss (

)
Ryker The Paprika Killer: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: vanderzant (

)
Swiss: rPSI (

)
vanderzant: (0)
Not Voting: Gheb_01, Ryker The Paprika Killer, Super Smash Bros. Fan (

)

 

[Clownbot]

I saw it.

So why are you just blowing it off?

 

[Kataefi]

I'm back guys (my birthday) and also Mcfox is scum - I'll reply to his post very soon.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I can easily see McFox and Swiss being scum buddies.
I've been really looking into Swiss.

 

[vanderzant]

Happy birthday Kat. Just throwing it out there that SSBF is viewing the thread right now. He best be replying

 

[Deleted member]

You want a response? Here, you got it:

Gonna Unvote in pursuit of a better lead.

Vote: Super Smash Bros Fan

Ironically, this case gains strong backing if rPSI flips town. So it would make sense to post it after the flip, but out of fear of being NK'd (and the fact that I thought of it just then) I'm going to go ahead and post it now.

First, I'll give an overall read on him and then give evidence.

And I'll be responding to them.

1) SSBF continually casts suspicion on a majority of players but gives no commitment or makes no attempt to put pressure on them. This has lead to some bad contradictions on his part. He's trying to show that he's scum hunting, and open to exploring other players in the thread, but at the same time not committing to voting or applying pressure. I believe he does this so he won't be accountable for any mislynches.

During Day 2 and 3, I was suspicious of five people. Kataefi, Ryker, The Guide (Day 2 Lynch), rPSI, and Ryker. That is not a majority. Even in Day 3, it wouldn't be a majority because The Guide is dead.

2) I want to point out how SSBF is constantly mentioning who he thinks is scum and town. It's been said earlier, but this just gives Mafia a clear hit list of who to kill each night

The only time I can remember doing that is during my analysis and giving my opinion on McFox. Yes, I read up just for that.

e.g. He seems to be riding McFox waay too much. I don't know why he thinks that McFox has been incredibly helpful since the start of Day 2, but he is adamant about it nonetheless.

That's because he's one of the strongest players in the game, not to mention the most experience. He pushed legimate cases against other people and most of his posts, have good contents put upon them, has been helpful in some circumstances, among other things. Plus he's been active in the game.

Every second post of his seems to contain "these 4 players are likely scum"

Incorrect. I can only remember doing it twice, once nearing the end of Day 2 and the other time being the beginning of Day 3.

On this note, SSBF also keeps bringing up how he thinks Ryker is scum, even though Ryker hasn't been around for a while. It'd be fine if he voted for him, but continually mentioning that Ryker is scum (again, with no commitment) when he is probably going to be replaced is unnecessary.

Just look at his argument at Day 1. I really, really did despise his arguments a lot. I found a LOT of flaws with it and he was my top suspect shortly after. I did mention that he was improving, thought, so I did not vote for him. Plus, voting him when I haven't finished my re-read would be ridiculous and make no sense.

3) Another point is that his replies show that he is consistently skimming, and only responding if pressure is placed on him (e.g. twice I have had to vote him in order to get his attention). I don't think it's necessary to quote examples of his, as you only have to read toDay to see it.

Umm, you only voted me once to grab my attention. You voted me the first time because you wanted more out of me.

Now for evidence:

1) Lack of committal

No commitment here. Just parroting earlier suspicions aimed at Kat. SRB hardly had a "big argument" with Kat either.

Okay, I'll give you that.

Ok fair enough.

Then why did you need to mention that?

So you think that Swiss is contributing a lot, but he could be scum? Why throw his name around as suspicious (with no committal) if you think he has been a "very good player."

That's because he has an connection with xxFrohawkxx, who is an Mafia Goon. Swiss promised numerous times that he would hammer. He hold off for almost too long and we nearly got an no lynch. We got lucky when hidajiermi step up and did the lynch himself. Therefore, there is an chance that Swiss could be scum.

I pointed out earlier how scummy this mentality is. Why should we tunnel rPSI if guide flipped town? It's naive to assume these sorts of connections, but I guess if you want to go into day 3 and pursue him then that's fine, except

He and The Guide clashed for a fair amount of time, so I'm thinking they are opposite alignments. Since The Guide fliped town and with rPSI being my 2nd suspect at the time, I decided it was the right thing to go after him on Day 3.

This is all you've done to pursue him. If guide flipping town is such a good reason for rPSI being scum, then why the lack of committal? Sure, you put him at L-1 (which, apart from being INCREDIBLY bad for town) shows you are ready to lynch him.

If you want me to pursue rPSI, then since your vote is off him, I might as well do it now. I will provide a case on him.

Yet, should another player hammer (and a mislynch occurs) you are straight away able to shift the blame to said player who hammered, when in fact you are largely to blame for putting him at L-1 "until further notice."

Why would I blame other people for hammering him? I'm not going to blame the person responsible for hammering. If that were to happen, I guarantee you that I would not do that sort of thing.

Finally, this relates back to skimming. You haven't responded/given reason why you would place a vote when 1) it puts rPSI at L-1 and 2) you aren't even certain in your vote

I am almost certain that rPSI is scum now. From his numerous contradictions, his extremely scummy Day 1, his huge amount of fluffs, etc, I've always found him scummy. To prove that, I will Vote: rPSI

So SSBF, please respond to my points without skimming. Right now, I'm happy with lynching you over rPSI.

Is this what you wanted?

 

[vanderzant]

Is this what you wanted?

Sure is.

During Day 2 and 3, I was suspicious of five people. Kataefi, Ryker, The Guide (Day 2 Lynch), rPSI, and Ryker. That is not a majority. Even in Day 3, it wouldn't be a majority because The Guide is dead.

Well played sir. Majority is bad wording on my part. However, I stand by my claim that you lacked committal in EVERY vote you have placed (by accompanying it with "unsure" fluff), apart from your vote on the_guide on Day 2.

I'd also argue that this example is irrelevant, considering there were already 3 votes on him, making it easy for you to parrot earlier arguments made at him. I'm not calling you out for voting the_guide (5 other players did this), but I'm suggesting that this should not be considered an example of "strong conviction" considering the context.

The only time I can remember doing that is during my analysis and giving my opinion on McFox. Yes, I read up just for that.

To refresh your memory, I'll give examples from today alone:

Town example

"Both McFox and Swiss have been very good players in the game and are considering a lot of options." (Post 565)

Scum example

"If anything, I consider Kataefi suspicious."

"As for rPSI, my suspicion of him is increasing"

"I"m also gaining suspicion on Ryker

"I'm thinking the remaining two scums are a combination of Swiss (Least likely), Kataefi, Ryker, and rPSI." (All from post Post 535)

So today you've posted you think Kat, Ryker, rPSI are scummy and McFox, Swiss are town. That's giving scum a pretty clear idea of who you're going to target for future days, and whether or not they should night kill you (assuming your town).

I'm sure EVERY player in this game has opinions on everyone else's alignment, but openly posting them does NOT benefit town unless they contain votes, which in turn show your committal (or lack of) to targeting players (scum hunting). Again, by failing to vote players you're not showing ANY commitment in helping Town determine their alignment, so your suspicions are just "observations" that serve no purpose to help town and just make scums job easier.

That's because he's one of the strongest players in the game, not to mention the most experience. He pushed legimate cases against other people and most of his posts, have good contents put upon them, has been helpful in some circumstances, among other things. Plus he's been active in the game.

Cool story, but the point is that you're saying again and again that you think he's town. If McFox is scum, he's going to keep you alive because he knows you won't go against him (again, just an example). Keep this stuff to yourself, or at least be subtle about it.

Incorrect. I can only remember doing it twice, once nearing the end of Day 2 and the other time being the beginning of Day 3.

I guess I exaggerated. Again, point is you've done it more than once, when it probably shouldn't be done at all.

Just look at his argument at Day 1. I really, really did despise his arguments a lot. I found a LOT of flaws with it and he was my top suspect shortly after. I did mention that he was improving, thought, so I did not vote for him. Plus, voting him when I haven't finished my re-read would be ridiculous and make no sense.

I'm talking about the above quote from Post #535. It was unnecessary to the current discussion. If you wanted to pursue Ryker at the time, that's fine, but:

1) You didn't vote for him = no committal
2) He was MIA at the time, and likely to be replaced (which ended up happening) = your case would get no response.

Umm, you only voted me once to grab my attention. You voted me the first time because you wanted more out of me.

The first time, I mentioned your name several times with no response, but when I voted you I got a response straight away.

Second time, you didn't respond to questions queries I had, until I voted for you.

This is just one example to prove the fact that you're skimming.

That's because he has an connection with xxFrohawkxx, who is an Mafia Goon. Swiss promised numerous times that he would hammer. He hold off for almost too long and we nearly got an no lynch. We got lucky when hidajiermi step up and did the lynch himself. Therefore, there is an chance that Swiss could be scum.

Despite that both

1) Frohawk's connections with other players &
2) People holding off hammering Fro

have been discussed and (imo) dismissed as reasonable evidence earlier on, that's not what I was getting at. My point is that you contradicted yourself (or at least showed that you're unsure) with your stance on Swiss. Also, once again it didn't contain any commitment (a vote).

He and The Guide clashed for a fair amount of time, so I'm thinking they are opposite alignments. Since The Guide fliped town and with rPSI being my 2nd suspect at the time, I decided it was the right thing to go after him on Day 3.

I've said soooo many times now that I think this is a scum mentality. Pinning two players as being 1 town and 1 mafia is terrible. It focuses the town to tunnel on the second player unfairly on the next day (if player 1 flips town, which guide did).

5 other players voted for guide apart from rPSI, so tunnelling on him with the above mentality as a main factor is scummy scummy scummy. (side note: McFox suggested this as well)

If you want me to pursue rPSI, then since your vote is off him, I might as well do it now. I will provide a case on him.

I don't exceptionally think he needs a case on him right now, it's already been done. I just dislike how you put him at L-1 so lightly.

Why would I blame other people for hammering him? I'm not going to blame the person responsible for hammering. If that were to happen, I guarantee you that I would not do that sort of thing.

I assumed this because you said Kat was suspicious for hammering.

He also hammer The Guide just for the sake of getting a lynch. Why didn't he explain the lynch?

You can't tell me you wouldn't of been suspicious of gheb (just an example) if he'd hammered rPSI toDay when he was at L-1, "for the sake of getting a lynch." That is just plain lying imo.

I am almost certain that rPSI is scum now. From his numerous contradictions, his extremely scummy Day 1, his huge amount of fluffs, etc, I've always found him scummy. To prove that, I will Vote: rPSI

I don't think you're scummy because you find rPSI scummy. Every player in the game thinks rPSI is scummy. There is no way that Town would be able to pin a case on you specifically for thinking that rPSI is scum, when EVERY other player besides Ryker found him suspicious. This is especially true if rPSI flips town.

Which is why boys and girls, a rPSI flip regardless of alignment will not create any solid leads (kind of what gheb said earlier). Because Townies and Scum alike have all voted/found him suspicious (bar 1).

 

[McFox]

@Kat - What do you think of PSI? Please be as specific as possible.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So why are you just blowing it off?

Because you're wrong.

@Kat - What do you think of PSI? Please be as specific as possible.

I asked you something.

 

[Swiss]

I can easily see McFox and Swiss being scum buddies.
I've been really looking into Swiss.

Fluff.

All you've done here is:

1) If I were scum - alerted me to the fact I need to be careful what I say --> pro mafia move.

2) If I were town - posted fluff which you know makes me more convinced you are scum. Where is the case? Where is the analysis? (It's been HOURS since that post, so you've logged off and left it for the day) A vote on me and you saying "I've been really looking into Swiss" is useless to town.

If you've been looking into me so much - why is there no case against me?



@SSBF - It has been explained why me not hammering Fro asap was a pro town move, regardless of his alignment he was going to be lynched by that point, so not hammering 'till deadline gave us more time to talk to a scum and get him to make a slip, or watch for his buddies to try and help him. It was an opportunity to give us more information at no cost to town.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

SWISS CASE

Day 1:
76 - Frohawk tries to get Swiss out of suspicion.
84: Says bandwaggoning is bad (out of RVS)
93 - McFox defends Swiss
Doesn't post to defend until: 113
113: Says that Ryker is just tunneling which is "anti-town", perhaps OMGUSing
114: Says that McFox was calling him out on tunneling, not defending him
117 - McFox says he didn't defend Swiss, but accused of tunneling
119: Says that narrow posts / tunneling are scummy
159 - McFox shares his "town reads" and says that he would have access to his scum buddies if he was scum. I don't get this, you don't have access until night. This is a horrible read. Seems as if they are scum buddies.
176: Ignores everything else said, and asks The_Guide and VitC to answer questions/post more.
173 - Frohawk says that Swiss stayed under pressure (saying he got a town read on him)
181 - McFox goes V/LA
188: Immediately jumps on a case on me
189 - Dancer just goes with the flow... again
205: Posts with only a vote.
226: Says he'd be cool with VitC since he didn't post
244: Won't take his post off of me for when Fro and Vit were still pretty scummy / inactive
258: Says he won't put his vote on Fro until he defends himself

Day 2:
304: Votes Vand WITH THE BANDWAGON
305: Says that if Vanz is scum, then I'm town OR vice versa then other way around. Doesn't take a stance.
323: Goes back to Voting me and FoS Vand. Is playing way too much with either me or Vand is scum.
353: Tries to bring attention away from Gheb's case to tunnel me more.
354: Uses what Fro said to say that I'm scum.
382: Tries to disprove Gheb's case again.
416: Still refuses to accept a lynch other than myself
425 - SSBF points out SWiss' obvious connection with Fro.
Swiss goes inactive for quite a bit
480: Says I played well, but STILL keeps his vote on me. Obvious attempt at setting deadline for lynch.

Day 3:
510: Tries to use Swords last post as an example of suspicion, which is bad seeing his vote was on Dancer earlier. He should have voted me earlier on if he truly got scum results.
514: Laptop broke
519: Votes on me while adding very little to why
527: Forgets the Miller and Godfather thing? / Relys WAY too much on night actions.
548: Calls someone out for putting me on L-1. Why would you stop someone from voting the way they want to vote?

Happy? Straight from my notepad.

 

[Swiss]

Not happy at all. I don't see a case.

In each of these, please read rPSI's analysis of each post and then my response to it.(I haven't quoted as it's the previous post)

You have incorrect analysis on many points:

84: I said bandwaggoning to lynch without reason is bad, I didn't know at the time they didn't intend to lynch me (my first RVS stage, we were still in it imo) I quote myself

Lynching scum is how we win, not bandwagoning a random player and hoping.

You are suggesting the former when in reality, attempting the latter.

93 - McFox explained that he could get reads on both myself AND Ryker by doing what he did, do you have a problem with a player trying to get reads on others?


113 - You said 'perhaps OMGUS'ing him' when I didn't actually vote Ryler at any point, even though others did (you did too), I quote The Guide (dead town)

Swiss responded to Ryker's posts in a very level headed way, and he didn't OMGUS vote. That floats pretty well with me.

159 - Irrelevant and doesn't make sense.

176 - Why should I respond to other people's cases on OTHER people? I'd interfere and look like a scum trying to influence the whole game, as well as giving peopler 'outs'.

173 - Scum parroting the guide.

188 - My 'jumping on the case' was "Doesn't make pro town sense to me.". Abd expalined with my own reasoning.

189 - about Dancer..not me

244 - I said no point voting on them as they were inactive and already had votes on them.

258 - Has been explained to be pro town, it wasn't stopping a lynch, just postponing it, also Ryker got a scum read off HJ FOR lynching, so you would have made a case on me from this regardless of what I did.


That's a majority of your day 1 analysis shown to be incorrect/flawed.


IMPORTANT POINT 304 - I didn't vote on the bandwagon, I FoS'd him. I'd prefer you not to blatantly lie, also post 304 wasn't even mine (305 was), it was The_Guides. If you can't even post the facts properly, how can your analysis be anything short of farcical?

305 - Agreed to not be the smartest post, slightly scummy in hindsight and not a view I currently hold.

323 - See above.

IMPORTANT POINT: 353 - Read what rPSI just said, "Tries to bring attention away from Gheb's case to tunnel me more.
"

This is my post

I'm not liking what Ghebb has done. (short, blunt posts and voting with no real reasons)

It's not so much the fact he's playing like this, but the fact that, to me, he's trying to imitate what Ryker did early on. Ryker is one of the more 'town confirmed' players in my books and I assume others, and here we have ghebb trying to do EXACTLY what Ryker did.

Looks like an attempt to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, imitating what you know to be perceived as pro town by the rest of us.

How on EARTH is that tunneling rPSI?


354 -

Gheb, could you respond to my opinion of you copy catting Ryker?



I just checked the role PM's, the godfather has exactly the same abilities as a goon. So how you got a vibe for which role Kat were to be is beyond me.


You're playing as if we're in RVS, we're not.

Which was getting him to repsond to my problems with him. Also it was calling him out on his guessing roles when he couldn't know them.


416 - Why would I want a lynch other than my prime suspect? I'm not happy to lynch someone I think is town...

425 - No way am I reading that again. If he made a link between me and Fro (scum) other than me not lynching him and halting conversation for town I'd love for you to quote it.

480 - Less suspicious of you, yes.



Day 3

510 - I asked peoples opinions..how is that bad?

519 - Reasons stated previously


527 - It's my first whole mafia game. Never played with a godfather or miller before... Also I conceeded it made you less likely to be scum, (I was TRYING to be reasonable)


548 - I don't want a quick lynch...





All in all you have lied, made false statements and posted horrifically incorrect analysis.

I'm not saying I'm a saint in this game, but I see no case against myself in what you've posted apart from posts 305/323 which I agree to be narrow minded.

Say hi to the gallows for me.

 

[McFox]

Sorry Gheb, I thought that was directed at vand.

I don't mind looking into Ryker (Paprika now) should PSI flip scum. I stand by my statement that I don't read his D1 responses to my meddling as scum play, but as I've mentioned I could be wrong. That was just my interpretation. Pretty much no one has commented on the actual subject matter of my opinions on Ryker and Swiss. People have only said whether said opinions are (or could be) wrong, or not. I have yet to see someone actually agree or disagree with the content of what I said. If someone read Ryker's plays as scummy, they should speak up. So far, I've only been told that I was (or could have been) wrong in my analysis.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Swiss, you think that was my analysis?
That was just my notes...

 

[Swiss]

Sorry, the title 'SWISS CASE' made me think it was a case on me.

Regardless, where is the actual substance? Also, most of your notes are wrong, as I pointed out with quotes, could you explain why they are so wrong?

I await your actual case.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

You asked for non-fluff, so I posted "non-fluff"

 

[rPSIvysaur]

EBWOP: I didn't have time this morning as I was heading out for the bus.

 

[Swiss]

You asked for non-fluff, so I posted "non-fluff"

OK, can we get non-fluff that isn't full of holes?

If anyone thinks I'm being unfair on rPSI or tunneling him please speak up now. No point trying to save him when he's already dead.

 

[Deleted member]

He's already dead? man this must be the wrong room. anyone know where the robotics department is?

/joke

I'm fine with it. If you can bring down rPSI then by all means do so. given that you play fair ofc.

 

[McFox]

Just so everyone is aware, deadline is tomorrow at noon. I will not be around until then, so my vote is staying where it is. PSI if you actually want to bring a serious case against Swiss, you need to do it in about at least a day ago.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@Swiss:
I don't get why you don't want a quick lynch when you're so god**** convinced that I'm scum.