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[Swiss]

If your suspicious of someone and convinced that they are scum, then why waste your investigation when you're sure of the results, when you could be getting two reads.

If anyone is convinced beyond belief of someones alignment after 1 day they are either a fool or a cheat.

Strong suspicions are great to have when you can act on them, as our cop could.


I think it would be useful to see what other people think here - I'm not saying you are definitely scum, just that I didn't like your play before. Plus we can trust everything our cop said as pro town, as we know he wasn't scum.

 

[Deleted member]

@Vanderzant: Care to explain the FoS on me?

And trust me, I'll be looking at Kataefi (Hopefully today since it's the weekend) and I will give you my read.

 

[Kataefi]

@Katefi: Can you give us your insights (if any) with regards to the you/gheb/mcfox discussion, as well as our discussion. Feel free to be brief. Any of these worth pursuing today?

I'm doing a reread so I'll comment on this later.

ssbf, thoughts on mcfox?

 

[McFox]

What, no one want to talk to me?

SSBF, did you even read vand's post? The FoS on you is very clearly explained. Skimming much?

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline for Day 3 has been set for May 6th, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 5/9 to lynch!
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Day 3 Vote Count 1:

Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01: (0)
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Kataefi: (0)
McFox: (0)
rPSI: McFox, vanderzant, Swiss (

)
Ryker: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Swiss: (0)
vanderzant: (0)
Not Voting: Clownbot, Gheb_01, Kataefi, rPSI, Ryker, Super Smash Bros. Fan(

)

 

[rPSIvysaur]

So guys, if he did get a "scum read on me", wouldn't he have pushed MUCH harder if he was sure someone was scum?
Or maybe he realized that with one Godfather and only one goon when there was still a Miller still alive, that his result of getting scum is 1/2. The other half is getting town. At that point, any investigation is nearly null. The only way we can get a legitimate town read is by who the doctor defended N1, but we can't rely on that until another mafia dies, or the doc is on the verge of death.

I'm also not liking Swiss saying that everything he did was pro-town. He didn't know everyone's alignment; he was just like a vanilla townie but with one night read, which may have not been accurate. If you're going to say that he all his actions are pro-town, then based on that logic, a mislynch is only the result of mafia. Which are in many, if not all, cases true.

TBH, Swiss is relying way too heavily on night actions. Vote: Swiss

 

[Swiss]

So guys, if he did get a "scum read on me", wouldn't he have pushed MUCH harder if he was sure someone was scum?
Or maybe he realized that with one Godfather and only one goon when there was still a Miller still alive, that his result of getting scum is 1/2. The other half is getting town. At that point, any investigation is nearly null. The only way we can get a legitimate town read is by who the doctor defended N1, but we can't rely on that until another mafia dies, or the doc is on the verge of death.

I'm also not liking Swiss saying that everything he did was pro-town. He didn't know everyone's alignment; he was just like a vanilla townie but with one night read, which may have not been accurate. If you're going to say that he all his actions are pro-town, then based on that logic, a mislynch is only the result of mafia. Which are in many, if not all, cases true.

TBH, Swiss is relying way too heavily on night actions. Vote: Swiss

Keep forgetting the miller/godfather thing, which does work in your favour, if not negate the fact that SRB pushed on you when most other people DIDN'T, had he pushed much harder and he would have appeared to be tunneling you and actually damaged the case on you.


What I said was is that everything SRB did, he did with the best interests of town at heart i.e. scum hunting. Unless you are accusing SRB of being scum, which I find somewhat unlikely, you should reconsider your words. SRB was pro town, as he WAS town so what he said can be looked at as town talk, and thus pro town.


Also, I'm not relying on night actions at all, but the fact that our cop suspected you and wanted you lynched (he didn't even unvote you) is reason enough to me to NOT let my suspicions (which I voiced clearly yesterday) on you be dropped.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I completely know that SRB was town/cop. The thing is, is that you're saying especially to treat everything he says and does like a saint. His leads aren't always correct, nor is a lot of townies.

Also, with a 50/50 chance of me being scum, if he EVEN investigated me, and if he EVEN got a scum result, how does that make me any clearer to be scum? You really are assuming way too much about how valid his actions are.

 

[Swiss]

Yeah, I admitted I forgot about the misleading results from the miller/godfather. But if he got a scum read on you, that's still a 50/50 chance you're scum, on top of my suspicions on you from before - that amounts to a lot of suspicion.

Working with my assumptions from before (I know this to be just that, an assumption) there is a 50% chance you're scum, add on to that the fact that there are 7 other people to vote on (so should be 12.5% each) , and my suspicions from before, that makes a decent wedge against you.


I know I'm making an assumption about his actions here, but a) we have to to be able to move forward b) it puts pressure on you.

I'm not happy to lynch you right now, don;t misunderstand me, but I just don't like what I see against you, even if it is beyond your control. (Remember I said late yesterday your recent play seemed fine to me, your early play plus the cop strongly suspecting you and voting you 'till the end after which he was killed goes against you imo)

 

[Clownbot]

rPSI's case on Swiss is pretty weak imo. Just looks like OMGUS to me.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

That was a great observation? Would like to actually add something, or continue to post fluff?

 

[Clownbot]

What do you want me to say? ._.

Like I said, I've commented on everything I thought was worth commenting on. Don't really see how my last post was fluff either.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

That aside, I'd also like to say that scum could easily be hiding behind me. TBH, I think scum could easily be not voting for me so I can stay as the play of the day easily until they feel otherwise. I'd look for last minute flips.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

EBWOP: Ninja'd

What do I want you to say? I can't control what you say, but right now you're posting about as much as I posted Day 1.

 

[Deleted member]

@Kataefi: I think he's an fantastic player with one of the strongest town reads in the game. This has not changed since then.

@McFox: I saw it and I really don't see what Vanderzant is trying to say about me (Yes, I read it multiple times). I really don't think it's that valid, especially considering that SwordsRbroken did not consider me one of his suspects in an latter post.

If anything, I consider Kataefi suspicious. He and SwordsRbroken got into an big argument wth each other and I"m getting the feeling that Kataefi could be an mafia member. However, since I have not done an re-read of his post yet, I'll give him an FoS: Kataefi.

As for rPSI, my suspicion of him is increasing, starting with an OMGUS vote. He was okay on Day 2, but he was my top suspect on Day 1.

I"m also gaining suspicion on Ryker. Ever since I joined, he's only made three posts and only the first one was actually useful. The latter two was basically saying he'll give his thoughts later. I'm hoping he does it soon.

I'm thinking the remaining two scums are a combination of Swiss (Least likely), Kataefi, Ryker, and rPSI.

Right now, I'll do an Vote: rPSI until further notice.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

How was that OMGUS, I stated my reason. It wasn't simply because he had voted me. Basically everyone is voting me, or at least strongly FOS'ing me.

 

[vanderzant]

Firstly, Unvote

 

[Kataefi]

@Kataefi: one of the strongest town reads in the game. This has not changed since then.

If anything, I consider Kataefi suspicious.

Come again? o.O

 

[vanderzant]

I"m also gaining suspicion on Ryker. Ever since I joined, he's only made three posts and only the first one was actually useful. The latter two was basically saying he'll give his thoughts later. I'm hoping he does it soon.

And yet you'd put rPSI at L-1? That REALLY isn't something we want to do so early into day 3, when we haven't even heard from everyone. That reeks of scumminess to me. While I was happy with my vote on rPSI, I'm going to be V/LA for the next 3 days, but I'll be back 2 or 3 days before the deadline.

I really don't think it's that valid, especially considering that SwordsRbroken did not consider me one of his suspects in an latter post.

Could you please quote/link me to such post?

SRB was annoyed at dancer D1 for not responding to his questions. He clearly was suspicious of him/you. His first two posts of Day 2 (after he would have received his result) consisted of a vote on you and a post stating that he could lynch either you or rPSI.

 

[Deleted member]

Come again? o.O

That was directed stright at McFox. Sorry if you got confused there.

 

[Kataefi]

which one was directed at mcfox?

 

[Deleted member]

@Kataefi: This question:

ssbf, thoughts on mcfox?

This was from Post 523.

 

[Kataefi]

I know that, thanks!

but I meant which part of what I quoted from your post is directed at mcfox? the first or the second?

 

[Deleted member]

I know that, thanks!

but I meant which part of what I quoted from your post is directed at mcfox? the first or the second?

It was the 2nd part of 523.

 

[vanderzant]

Vote: Super Smash Bros. Fan. Maybe a vote will grab your attention.

Stop ignoring what I asked you. Please tell me why you put rPSI at L-1 "for now", when 2 players (gheb & ryker) haven't even posted today.

 

[vanderzant]

Ok, I'm V/LA as of this post. I'll keep my vote on SSBF. If town decideds to lynch rPSI (which I'm fine with) while I'm gone, there should be more than enough people to do it (plus I don't want to leave him at L-1 at this stage). I'll be back before the deadline anyway.

Be back in 3 days...

 

[Deleted member]

@Vanderzant: I mentioned in my huge post that rPSI was my 2nd suspect as of that time and I gave reasons why. He was OK on Day 2 so I went after The Guide, who was acting fairly scummy at the time.

However, I will Unvote until Ryker/Gheb give there thoughts in the game. Plus, I don't think rPSI commited OMGUS on Swiss, now that I read through parts of Day 3.

And you said you wanted a quote linking to SwordsRbroken not suspecting me. Here is proof on Post #433:

And i will conclude by saying that you are not still on my scumlist, i just forgot to unvote. Dancer was just useless posting fluff, but you are at least trying to contribute something.

 

[Swiss]

That aside, I'd also like to say that scum could easily be hiding behind me. TBH, I think scum could easily be not voting for me so I can stay as the play of the day easily until they feel otherwise. I'd look for last minute flips.

Agreed, people should get their opinions out in the open, and now, not when a bandwagon has started and they can hide.

Right now, I'll do an Vote: rPSI until further notice.

I really don't like that.
I put him on L-2, you put him on L-1. Although I don't think any scum would be dumb enough to hammer him (assuming he's town), it just leaves us vulnerable to a day lasting less than 24 hrs IRL (baaaaaaaaaad).


It could have been an accident from skim reading and missing the votes, but Fos SSBF


Also whoever it was that unvoted = pro town move.


@rPSI - Why do you think people have been so suspicious of you (including SRB) if you are town? It seems disproportionate to what suspicion should be allocated to you in an 'even' game, so what has caused this?


@ People - Who thinks rPSI is scum? If not, why not?

(If not) @ People - Who is scum, why?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I think it's pretty obvious, my day 1 playing was terribad. People still haven't gotten over that and look for as many flaws in my cases as possible. My posts are being over analyzed and probably taken the wrong way.
Can you reword the second part of the question?

 

[Swiss]

Well, at least you admit your early play was bad...but why was it bad? You're an experienced player as far as I'm aware - why would you play in a way you know new people would interpet as scum? That's what I still can't get my head around.

Ugh, I don't know - I want other people's opinions on this.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I didn't know at the time.

 

[Kataefi]

Rpsi - you're being very passive - tell me who your suspects are.

ssbf could you get to rereading mcfox's post and give me feedback? pwetty pwease

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Am back from the tourney. Catching up + posting content soonish.

 

[McFox]

My opinions are still the same. I think rPSI should be lynched, and would also be willing to go for Kat. Nothing either of them has said since the last time I expressed this sentiment has changed my opinion.

 

[Clownbot]

Reread. I don't feel like I've been doing enough for this game so I thought I'd try to look for a case and this is the best I could do.

Vote Gheb

First off, where are you?

Ever since replacing you started out by weighing in on people without further explaining yourself. After you actually gave a reason for voting Kat,

Fro def. tried drawing attention away from you. Not saying he soaked up attention of alll players all D1 but whenever he was around he tried to keep you from the spotlight.

He mentioned pretty much everybody else. Why'd he leave you alone out of all the people?

It looks weird to me because the guy you replaced was never mentioned by Fro either.

Later Gheb further explains his suspicion of Kat.

Also not looking credible here. The vote comes out of the blue and the reason is a blatant parrot. These are the kind of votes I'm looking for when it comes to bussing because so far I have not seen any interaction between Kat and Fro.

Again, rather contradictory to me considering the fact that Hida, who Gheb replaced, had not interacted with Fro up until the point that Hida had voted him. Only difference is that Hida hammered, which isn't really that much since Fro was the obvious lynch anyway. No reason to postpone it if he could get +town points for hammering, what with Fro flipping scum.

Because you've been the one who's been dictating and channeling discussion the most. However, you have not generated any discussion at all so far. Why not have a player who hasn't been looked into at all look at players who haven't been looked into at all?

Someone who hasn't been looked into? Where have you been looked into? (Don't say that's unrelated to your post because if you've been neglected as much as Kat in suspicion then you have just as much reason to look into these others as Kat.)

After that last post he doesn't post anything of substance. He switches his vote to Guide and that's pretty much all worth mentioning.

 

[Deleted member]

I looked into Kataefi and I'm slightly suspicious of him. Obviously because of his argument with SwordsRbroken, but I also didn't like the fact that he promised a response to my massive post but never did. He also hammer The Guide just for the sake of getting a lynch. Why didn't he explain the lynch?

@Kataefi: I think McFox is a great player so far. Despite his inactivity period, he has been an very pro-town player from nearly the start. He's been active, contributed a lot, litterally owned Ryker in his argument with him, and has been relatively helpful in general. He's also done some strong scum hunting.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not getting McFox that much as a townie. Not saying he's scum but he's nowhere nearly playing as pro-town as some people seem to think.

Starting to have mixed feellings about PSI being scum. Who has not openly suspected him at this point of the game? I'll double-check that later but I think almost everybody did and I'm not sure about scum bussing when their numbers are looking that bad. Am I the only player spotting that?

 

[Kataefi]

ssbf you're going to rewrite that last post aren't you?
_

Let's stop and think what Mr fox has really done this game. In hindsight - ________________

That blank space is the eternal void of nothingness

2 reads D1 that he classified as 'results': #175, yet we know mcfox is not the cop. This shows Mcfox has a sense of certainty, the question is why was he so confident in his reads for him to be this certain? remember... it was only D1 at that time.

When Mcfox said 'missing the point entirely' in response to Fro I thought he breadcrumbed the cop role and was going to investigate one of ryker/swiss, and this is because I couldn't work out how he got to his conclusions from a situation that had a variety of outcomes... aka what dancer said: #189, which raises some good points left totally unanswered. Perharps mr fox would like to answer them.

So therefore his town 'results', for him to carry them through to D2 and consider them significant as he does in #299 stem from him knowing ryker and swiss' alignment already, and how is this possible? it's because he's scum... he has explaining to do otherwise.

vote: Mcfox

join me please town

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Sorry I can't post much, I've been studying for AP exams.

Anyway, s

 

[rPSIvysaur]

EBWOP: My cat jumped on my computer...