Newbie Mafia 6 - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Newbie Land?!

[McFox]

Giving some one time to respond when they are about to be lynched is very Pro Town imo.

So let's say that hida hadn't hammered Frohawk 12 hours early. Let's say at 11 hours to deadline, Frohawk comes in with an excellent post. He clears up any confusion there's been regarding his posts, puts up a great analysis of the game thus far, and comes up with a better case on someone else than the one that was on him at the time. Sure the likelihood of this is pretty low, but for argument's sake let's just say it happened.

Let's further speculate that most of the people on Frohawk's lynch would suddenly say "Well, he seemed a bit scummy earlier, but he also only had 9 posts. And now here's a really good post by him and a solid case on someone." Whoops, that person was town, and Frohawk just played everyone for suckers because that extra time allowed his mafia buddies to give him something really solid to post when he was on the ropes.

Yes, in THEORY giving someone time to respond is a pro-Town move, but in PRACTICE that isn't always the case.

But that doesn't mean you could have at least given us some suggestions or asked a question. And you wouldn't have summerize the game up anyway, it's already been done at the very beginning of the thread.

I would argue that the following quote from my first post:

Swords and Ryker, you guys realize that RVS isn't like, an actual official part of the game right? Very often discussions can start up immediately without being just random guessing by everybody that's just as useful.

Contradicts what you're trying to say about me. That's the very first thing that I posted in this topic, wherein I immediately try to circumvent Swords and Ryker telling n00bs that RVS is the official start of the game. True, I didn't personally present an alternative either, but that's because I wanted Swords and Ryker to explain why they posted this. This is how I chose to get the game started, by getting Swords and Ryker to explain RVS to the new players, since they both came out in favor of it.

Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, neither of them would engage me on it.

*Addendum* Reading back now, Swords doesn't actually seem to be in favor of RVS, but still tells new players that that's how games begin, while at the same time admitting that a more organic discussion is better. So really, the above only applies to Ryker, who was the one who said "People don't utilize RVS" and then nothing else, despite my trying to get him to talk about it.

All of this is kind of irrelevant anyway, as we're way past this, and I don't see how three players with some experience talking about the pros and cons of RVS could be scum- or town-tells. Unless you have something specific about this you want to bring up, then I'm not even sure why we're discussing it a second time.

 

[vanderzant]

Yes, in THEORY giving someone time to respond is a pro-Town move, but in PRACTICE that isn't always the case.

I'm just saying that it shouldn't be used as evidence for a scumtell. Only scum know who there buddies are, so only they can "prolong the lynch" to help out there buddy. Since town don't know the alignment of anyone but themselves on Day 1, they are pressured to prolong the lynch in case the player flips town.

3 people were prepared to vote Fro at the end of Day 1 (Swiss, Sworddancer and Clownbot), so we know that at least 1 of them (maybe even ALL of them) were Town who didn't know Fro's alignment.

 

[Swiss]

So let's say that hida hadn't hammered Frohawk 12 hours early. Let's say at 11 hours to deadline, Frohawk comes in with an excellent post. He clears up any confusion there's been regarding his posts, puts up a great analysis of the game thus far, and comes up with a better case on someone else than the one that was on him at the time. Sure the likelihood of this is pretty low, but for argument's sake let's just say it happened.

Let's further speculate that most of the people on Frohawk's lynch would suddenly say "Well, he seemed a bit scummy earlier, but he also only had 9 posts. And now here's a really good post by him and a solid case on someone." Whoops, that person was town, and Frohawk just played everyone for suckers because that extra time allowed his mafia buddies to give him something really solid to post when he was on the ropes.

Yes, in THEORY giving someone time to respond is a pro-Town move, but in PRACTICE that isn't always the case.

I doubt we would have let that happen, I raised the issue

Thing is, if Frohawk does post, do we still lynch him? Otherwise we'll be stuck with a no lynch (and scum could easily halt the bandwagon on the new lynch target by 'not seeing the thread in time')... unless seven of us quickly re-vote we won't get a lynch today. What do people think?
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And got good answers from Dancer and The Guide. (forgive the lack of quotes, managed to close the tab )

 

[Kataefi]

vanz just wanna ask you a few questions:

IMO, scum are likely to be those who not only supported a case on me but who also try to "hide in the crowd" to an extent, so the rest of the town won't pin them when I flip town.

I was the first person to vote you D2, you could go as far as to say I started that wagon - can you explain how this is hiding in the crowd?

why is making a case against you likely to prove that anyone is scum? why not a case against, say, Guide, or Rpsi, or anyone else? notice the majority of your suspects at the time have been cultivated from them finding yourself scummy:- dancer, ryker, myself, rpsi, which leads me to ask...

(because me getting lynched is a good result for scum)

...why are you specifically a good result for scum?

if you feel the root of scum is likelier to stem from people suspecting you, then how can this support your vote on Guide and not any of the names above?
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@ssbf: I want to draw more info from Vanz/Mcfox/Guide right now - Vanz see above, I'm waiting for guide to comment on the contradictions pointed out about him, and I'm re-reading mcfox so expect a few questions to swing his way soon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not trying to beckpedal into D1 too much or anything but since I'm a replacement I have to mention stuff I didnt have a chance to earlier.

I'm finding the outcome of mcfox's actions are too 'covered'. Swiss flipping town credits mcfox the attempt to defend him. Should swiss flip scum, backtrack post #159 is a pre-counter to the whole 'but you did defend him' argument and makes mcfox look all shiny and clever should swiss flip town regardless - when ryker did come clean as to his actions regarding swiss, mcfox arrives with a post twice as big so all justifications are loud and proud. It's too much of a coincidence and Mcfox looked set to be covered by all angles in the swiss/ryker/mcfox love triangle:- so in a sense I do think mcfox was adaptive for possible scum reasons.

#159 acknowledges too much so that Swiss/Ryker are town in the same vein that ryker tunnelled:- points based entirely on conjecture and the hypothetical: 'Swiss never said this, so therefore he is town' etc etc... this just isn't a strong basis. I'm implying that mcfox is too sure of their alignments based on shaky analysis so it's almost as if he knows what they are already, and how can he be sure they are as such if he wasn't scum? =D

and curiously......how does ryker's switch in vote from swiss to you, despite wanting to his case on swiss to the end, apply to this analysis of him being town?

I still think interfering, defending, then actually doing a 180 for the sake of finding (poor) 'results' is nothing short of a scummy attempt at acting the people's champion.

I find these posts hard to believe.

The first post is an attemp to incriminate McFox because he's playing overly consistent whereas the other is trying to make us believe that inconsistency is a scumtell? That's all coming from a POV that looks like Kat is completely out of any "competition" in this game - like an omnescient referee. Why does nobody question posts like these? Why do you vote McFox for being super-consistent when the latter post tells us to do exactly the opposite?

Wow guide look at what at you started, good case!

unvote
vote: frohawk

So it's L-2 right now which definitely considers frohawk as being very possibly lynched toDay. Frohawk you best speak up in your defence if you want change.

L-2 is 2 votes away from the lynch btw. L-1/L-2/L-3 etc...

@mod: if vitamin doesn't post by the end of the deadline can we request replacement?

Also not looking credible here. The vote comes out of the blue and the reason is a blatant parrot. These are the kind of votes I'm looking for when it comes to bussing because so far I have not seen any interaction between Kat and Fro.

notice Vanz pushes Rpsi for the lynch but is completely comfortable with lynching a lurker - However fastforward to when frohawk is the target, notice how vanz comes into his defence quickly but plays it safe - he says 'we won't have time' and also that he already found suspicion on frohawk first - but if this is true, he should be comfortable lynching frohawk, which didn't seem to be the case.

Not liking this. Do you assume that rPSI is town from this to incriminate vanz for it? If so why and if not why does it incriminate vanz? These are the kind of cases scum can build because they can tell a townie from a scumbag.

@ssbf: I want to draw more info from Vanz/Mcfox/Guide right now - Vanz see above, I'm waiting for guide to comment on the contradictions pointed out about him, and I'm re-reading mcfox so expect a few questions to swing his way soon.

Thesee people have been talked about a lot. Why not look into Swords, Clown or yourself?

 

[vanderzant]

vanz just wanna ask you a few questions:I was the first person to vote you D2, you could go as far as to say I started that wagon - can you explain how this is hiding in the crowd?

I was accusing Sworddancer, not you. I only said that I found your case similar to his, especially since yours came sometime after his. So I don't think you were hiding in the crowd by being the first on the wagon.

why is making a case against you likely to prove that anyone is scum? why not a case against, say, Guide, or Rpsi, or anyone else?

It's not. Why do you assume that I think this? In both Post 406 and my recent post @ SSBF, I used it as partial reasoning for why I am/was suspicious of The_Guide and Dancer respectively. It's evidence just like anything else in this thread, so I'm more than allowed to use it how I see it.

I'm sure a case on other people is is just as likely to give the Town reads on other players. For example, I post a case on The_Guide and before he's even responded you've tried to dismiss it. So now the town can try and understand your reasoning for this and get a read on you.

notice the majority of your suspects at the time have been cultivated from them finding yourself scummy:- dancer, ryker, myself, rpsi, which leads me to ask......why are you specifically a good result for scum?

Not sure what you mean by the bolded part? Please clarify. Do you mean for there nightkill, or mean for day targeting?

The thing is Kat, I've been voted or FOS'd by half of the players left in the game (dancer/ssbf, ryker, kat, guide & swiss).

Out of the remaining 5 who haven't said that I'm suspicious, you have to consider that 2 of those players only subbed in quite recently (Clown and Gheb) so I haven't really had time to guage much from them.

I don't think rPSI voted/FOS'd me, and if you count my early D1 suspicions of McFox, the only person who I haven't openly said I don't find scummy at all this game (who hasn't done the same to me) is Swords.

if you feel the root of scum is likelier to stem from people suspecting you, then how can this support your vote on Guide and not any of the names above?

Again, I don't think that. I just think that I'm in a good position to read people who have tried to put a case on me. I've reread everything posted towards me since the start of Day 2, and tried to get reads on each of the 5 players who were suspicious of me.

McFox (iirc) said that we shouldn't be posting who we think is town (makes it easier for the mafia), so I didn't post my thoughts/analysis on my own case.

In the same way, I've formed opinions/reads about players who have jumped on the rPSI case, and The_Guide case.

Opinions do change as the game progresses. Just because I found someone suspicious earlier on, doesn't mean I still do now.

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I feel like you're asking me "why do you think stuff posted @ you is more important to the town then stuff posted at anyone else?" I totally disagree with that sentiment.

That's twice now that you've jumped in to defend yourself based on something I said to another player. Why so urgent to defend yourself?

 

[Kataefi]

right officer gheb you're getting yourself mixed up: your first point shows no contradiction - It's not over-consistency vs inconsistency at all.

The second point isn't specific to me - Fro had a lot of discommunication with a whole bunch of players. What can you say for everyone else on and off that wagon? and why are being so selective with such a broad point in the first place?

Third point I'm not assuming anything related to Rpsi - him being there is strictly an element for the chronology of my case.

curiously, why would you consider looking into swords and clown? Why are you addressing this question to me specifically and not at town itself?

 

[Kataefi]

Vanz I'm just being thorough

I'll get to your post in a jiffy.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Unvote; Vote: The_Guide
Where you at?
You went suddenly inactive as soon as Vand set a case one you.

 

[Deleted member]

Who do you think are the scum combination is in the game out of the two remaining scums?

I think it's consisted of Ryker, rPSI, The Guide, and maybe Swiss (Unlikely).

I'm sure either rPSI or The Guide is scum, but I don't think it's both. If The Guide is town, then rPSI is likely scum. If rPSI flips town, then The Guide is likely scum.

Ryker might be the godfather of the group or it could be Swiss. Either way, I'm suspecting that only one of the two are scums.

@Everyone who hasn't voted for rPSI and The Guide: These are the top two lynh candidate. In the event of the game, would you be willing to lynch one or both of them?

 

[McFox]

I see Kat has decided to start fishing with dynamite.

 

[Deleted member]

@The Guide: If you're reading this post, please post as soon as possible. You haven't posted in fourty-eight hours as of this post, so you're fixing to get a prod if you haven't received one yet.

We don't need any lurkers in here and you have no excuse to be inactive.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, need to clear my question up to everyone who hasn't voted for rPSI or The Guide. Reading the question then might be confusing. Hopefully, this will clear things up:

To those who have not voted for either rPSI or The Guide, if they remain the top two lynch candidate by the end of ToDay, which one would you be willing to lynch and why?

 

[Xiivi]

The_Guide has been prodded. Ryker is V/LA until tomorrow.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Quick question: what do you gain from knowing that? I mean, most of the people that already know who they'll lynch, are already vocal about it. So now you're just trying to speed it up by making the undecided choose who they'll vote for, not leaving any room for scum to make any last minute slips / bandwagons.
That said, it's also likely that it may not happen at all, especially with the way today is being played. :/

 

[Swiss]

That said, it's also likely that it may not happen at all, especially with the way today is being played. :/

How has today been played?

 

[Deleted member]

@rPSI: We've already gather a lot of evidence that supports an anti-townie image on both of you. Most people here suspected both of you and for those who doesn't have there votes on either, they may still consider one of you one of the scums.

Deadling is approaching and we don't have much time left to spare.

Also, you and The Guide are still the two top lynch candidate and people will most likely lynch

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@Swiss: SSBF basically stated that. But generally, it's been "alright, it's either rPSI or The_Guide."

@SSBF: **** still happens. :/

 

[~ Gheb ~]

curiously, why would you consider looking into swords and clown? Why are you addressing this question to me specifically and not at town itself?

Because you've been the one who's been dictating and channeling discussion the most. However, you have not generated any discussion at all so far. Why not have a player who hasn't been looked into at all look at players who haven't been looked into at all?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I see Kat has decided to start fishing with dynamite.

Can you clarify this for me, I don't quite get what it means.

 

[Kataefi]

descending from the depths of space...

...here we go cap'n comic!

I see Kat has decided to start fishing with dynamite.

cover your eyes mr fox - mind telling me what #299 means? why was this type of play exclusive to Day 1 and why should your reads actually mean anything now? If you feel your reads were successful, why aren't you trying to gain more this way on a variety of players toDay considering so much more is happening?

I feel you've restricted yourself to talking about game mechanics moreso than you're focused at scumhunting imo.
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vanz you signified your own town-importance because 'scum is likely to support a case on you' and you getting lynched is a 'good result for scum'. This is where my assumption came from, just to clarify!

the question you bolded comes straight from you saying...

me getting lynched is a good result for scum

...I'm asking the why behind this. why are you a good result? also why would you say something like this in the first place if you feel it is likely scum are out there supporting a case on you?

the case on guide is not being dismissed by me btw, I thought it was good! but I also think you're inciting suspicion on a lot of players and keeping your options comfortably open. they all happen to be the players who are the biggest threats to your Days: Ryker / Psi / Guide / Dancer/Kat. Supporting this: at times you have little cryptoamnesiac thoughts - 1up for long words =p --> you act the middle man with conveniently placed suspicions that seem to pop up:-#357 looks like you're spurring gheb on here and looks too conveniently timed, as an example. It looks a little devious.

also why are you interested in the godfather?

That's twice now that you've jumped in to defend yourself based on something I said to another player. Why so urgent to defend yourself?

you classified me and dancer as similar - it's only natural that I pick up on this =p where is the first time I've done this?
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Because you've been the one who's been dictating and channeling discussion the most.

so... what? in comparison to what...? where is the analysis on this? This is very true right now in that you have zero proof I've been doing exactly that.

Why not have a player who hasn't been looked into at all look at players who haven't been looked into at all?

golly gosh... the irony... also this is starting to sound more like game theory than trying to find the scum in me, gheb - the problem I'm having is that you're imposing these names on me - the nature of this question shows that you yourself find these players worth looking into - why aren't you looking into them? why should this question be used to highlight why I'm not looking into them... as a scumtell?

you know, reading over your points, they are all general and applicative to many players, you've actually done nothing in narrowing them down on me specifically.
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Guide needs to respond to the contradictions he's made. You've gone quiet Also request votecount - is he is at L-1?

 

[Kataefi]

Can you clarify this for me, I don't quite get what it means.

I kill all the fish

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 27th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes 6/11 to lynch!
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Day 2 Vote Count 6:

Clownbot: (0)
Gheb_01: (0)
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Kataefi: Gheb_01 (

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McFox: (0)
rPSI: Clownbot, Swiss, McFox, SwordsRbroken (

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Ryker: (0)
Swiss: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: Ryker, vanderzant, Super Smash Bros. Fan, rPSI (

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vanderzant: (0)
Not Voting: Kataefi, The_Guide (

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[Kataefi]

So prompt <3 Xiivi

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Kat I'm having trouble picking up your main suspect right now. Can you give a more clear who you're considering to be your main suspect for toDay?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

EBWOP: I'm getting a vibe from earlier posts (411) that I'm your major suspect. I'm not sure if you are wanting Vand gone or defending your stance earlier in the day.

 

[Kataefi]

Vanz/Mcfox/Guide are my main suspects today. shush don't tell gheb this.

 

[McFox]

mind telling me what #299 means? why was this type of play exclusive to Day 1 and why should your reads actually mean anything now? If you feel your reads were successful, why aren't you trying to gain more this way on a variety of players toDay considering so much more is happening?

1) Im not sure how that post could possibly be interpreted in any other way other than exactly what it says, so I'm kind of confused what kind of answer you're looking for when you ask what it "means". That could possibly be the single most straightforward post I've ever made in a mafia game ever. It "means" exactly what it says.

2) The play was exclusive to D1 because now I've explained what I was doing. I doubt it would be as effective now if I continued stepping in front of other people, since I've already done this and now everyone knows what was up. Are you suggesting that I should continue to do this?

3) I think the question is why my reads wouldn't mean anything now. You seem to be suggesting that because I think something worked early in D1 when I sprung it on several players that weren't expecting it, that I should do the same thing for the rest of the game. The reason I haven't done this should be laughably obvious to anyone who isnt trying to build a fake case on me: the whole point was that it was a surprise. I tried it out, I'm happy with my results, but repeating it, especially in the same game, would be both stupid and ineffective. I'm playing more traditionally now.

I also like how you quote my clearly calling you out for blatant rolefishing, but then don't address it all. This acknowledges that you saw what I posted, but had no actual response.

I'm currently happy with my vote on PSI, and hope he's today's lynch. Kat has ascended the ranks however to become my #2 suspect. "Hey, you're suspecting someone who suspects you, OMGUS!" Wrong. Kat's responses to Gheb's post have been weak, and his new proactive push after being called out for pseudo-hunting have been just as weak. Add his obvious rolefishing on top of that, and I'd be fine with a Kat lynch toDay if that's what town wants to go for.

 

[Kataefi]

Are you actually being serious?

 

[Kataefi]

where on earth did you mention rolefishing?

 

[Kataefi]

Kat has ascended the ranks however to become my #2 suspect. "Hey, you're suspecting someone who suspects you, OMGUS!" Wrong. Kat's responses to Gheb's post have been weak, and his new proactive push after being called out for pseudo-hunting have been just as weak. Add his obvious rolefishing on top of that, and I'd be fine with a Kat lynch toDay if that's what town wants to go for.

What an overreaction no offence. I asked you a series of questions and get greeted with accusations. Enlarged is exactly what this is.

I find the ending quite funny - you acknowledge it's not an omgus reaction by adding a few extra pointers you fail to explain in any detail. Also why didn't you ask me any questions back? - why did you go straight to accusations? I'll be ****ed if people take your post seriously.

Ranks is interesting - I'm assuming you have an order of some sort regarding your suspects then? You can go into detail but I'm also curious as to who is below me and why. What do you make of gheb? Also why are you undecided on guide/vanz?:- are you still undecided on them?

 

[vanderzant]

vanz you signified your own town-importance because 'scum is likely to support a case on you' and you getting lynched is a 'good result for scum'. This is where my assumption came from, just to clarify!

the question you bolded comes straight from you saying......I'm asking the why behind this. why are you a good result? also why would you say something like this in the first place if you feel it is likely scum are out there supporting a case on you?

Ok I get it. Well to be honest there wasn't any "deeper" thought process when I said "good result for scum." I meant it simply that "because I'm town, getting a townie lynched is a good result for scum." Even if you/ryker aren't scum (iirc, first people to say I was suspicious) I still think that being on my wagon is a good move for scum.

Not that it's a "better" than getting any other town player in the game. It just happened that there was a wagon on me earlier on.

the case on guide is not being dismissed by me btw,

I just want to here from guide first, before others comment on it.

but I also think you're inciting suspicion on a lot of players and keeping your options comfortably open. they all happen to be the players who are the biggest threats to your Days: Ryker / Psi / Guide / Dancer/Kat. Supporting this: at times you have little cryptoamnesiac thoughts - 1up for long words =p --> you act the middle man with conveniently placed suspicions that seem to pop up:-#357 looks like you're spurring gheb on here and looks too conveniently timed, as an example. It looks a little devious.

1. I sort of agree that I'm trying to "keep my options open," but not to the extent that "I wanna lynch rPsi, then guide, then kat, then sbbf, then ryker, etc." A lot of my suspicions imo don't warrant a lynch (i.e. my suspicions of you). Pointing out things I think are scummy/suspicions I have are good ways to provoke others into talking/discussing things. I mean, I threw your name in as suspicious in a post aimed at SSBF, and it lead to us playing 20 questions! It doesn't mean I want to LYNCH YOU, any time soon.

2. In the Gheb example, I was spurring him on a little bit, but I did it to try and provoke you into talking more. I still did get a bit of a scummy vibe from you though (it wasn't a baseless claim).

also why are you interested in the godfather?

I thought gheb might of been talking about a particular play style, and I wanted to him to clarify what it meant.

you classified me and dancer as similar - it's only natural that I pick up on this =p where is the first time I've done this?

Post 357 I threw in a "look at his weak sauce case on me" and you responded to that.

Post 439 I said your cases were similar, and you responded.

 

[Kataefi]

vanz you're cool - you both defended and acknowledged some of the pointers I made so I can't really pursue this any further until I hear something from Guide. Guide needs to address your case against him and I'm waiting.

sleeping now so I'll comment on things in the morning. overdrive kat is /out.

 

[vanderzant]

(The_Guide) Last Activity: Today 06:27 AM

That's less than 5 hours ago in my timezone. It seems like he's lurking. Not liking this at all.

 

[McFox]

where on earth did you mention rolefishing?

Does the phrase "FISHING with dynamite" ring any bells?

And you can say I'm blowing it out proportion, but by asking me pointed questions right after saying i'm one of your top suspects, there is no other way to interpret your questions as anything other than accusations.

I didn't ask you any questions because I don't have any. Your actions speak for themselves, I don't really feel like giving you a way to weasel out of being suspicious for other players. If anyone has questions for you, I'm sure they'll ask.

As for vand/guide, yeah I am undecided. I'd much rather go with PSI toDay, and go from there.

 

[Clownbot]

McFox, at what point did you start to find Kat suspicious?

 

[vanderzant]

you know, reading over your points, they are all general and applicative to many players, you've actually done nothing in narrowing them down on me specifically.

I'm not going to point fingers, but I agree that a lot of players need to stop coasting off of the cases of others. Giving support/agreeing with others is fine, but it's hard to read people who aren't bringing up points of their own. It's why I was originally suspicious of rPSI day 1, but imo a lot of people are doing it today as well. I know you can't ALL be scum .

So when I flip town, why is it only Van that gets looked at and not Swiss and you?

(rPSI was addressing McFox in this example)

Considering what I said above about coasters, it's too easy for scum to flip the blame onto others this way, and I think we should not allow this to happen to the Town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

so... what? in comparison to what...? where is the analysis on this? This is very true right now in that you have zero proof I've been doing exactly that.

golly gosh... the irony... also this is starting to sound more like game theory than trying to find the scum in me, gheb - the problem I'm having is that you're imposing these names on me - the nature of this question shows that you yourself find these players worth looking into - why aren't you looking into them? why should this question be used to highlight why I'm not looking into them... as a scumtell?

Dodging both of my points...

Unvote Vote The Guide

 

[Kataefi]

overdrive kat is back...

...indeed I am!

Dodging both of my points...

Ditto.

Does the phrase "FISHING with dynamite" ring any bells?

yes but how do you know I took your semantics as such if you insisted this idea? why is there one metaphorical interpretation and why does it have to be yours! dynamite is just as prominent a word - this could easily be indicative of my playstyle with little fish as unfortunate targets, as it could be a million other things =p, I assumed from your little itty bitty post that this was actually a towntell descriibing my cocoon transformation this game, not the opposite.

you can support my interpretation in exactly the same vein that you accused me of yours so easily, so I wouldn't count on...anything you say actually. But I can definitely count on you being quick to accuse.

I didn't ask you any questions because I don't have any. Your actions speak for themselves, I don't really feel like giving you a way to weasel out of being suspicious for other players. If anyone has questions for you, I'm sure they'll ask.

that's fine but this looks safe and non-committal, as per usual - if I've ascended your ranks to #2 then where is the good analysis on anything I've done? - also I do find the last part a tad bit ridiculous - so is my fate sealed to you?, is there any particular reason why you don't want to give me that chance to weasel out?

also who is below me in these ranks for me to have ascended?, you never answered this question.

As for vand/guide, yeah I am undecided. I'd much rather go with PSI toDay, and go from there.

These are 2 focal players this Day - what have they [not] done to make you undecided on them? if you're undecided you must be thinking 'they-might-be/they-might-not-be' thoughts regarding them, what are thinking about them?

 

[Swiss]

I'm really not liking The Guide seeing this thread and not posting. Why did he not defend himself? Maybe he's too busy getting help in a quick chat ;D

I prefer Kat now that he's active, I wasn't overly confident on him before.

The Guide is at L-1, the deadline is tomorrow. I need to re-read to see if votes were put on him before or after he went inactive. rPSI has played well for the main part of the day, imo. My vote, for now, remains on him.