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Aren't we all hiding something?
Pay particular attention to the bold. It seems here as if he was preemptively trying to discredit the argument that scrutinizing bandwagoners is a legitimate scum hunting strategy, when it clearly is. Bandwagoners fall into one of two categories, townies playing very poorly or mafiats abusing the poorly playing townies and attemption to blend in with them. As such, proper analysis of said bandwagonners is sure to result in the finding of mafiats. Sklyer's attempt to discredit Marshy's assertion signals me as a serious scum tell, as it seemed to server the purpose of trying to build an argument that he could use to defend himself at this point for bandwagonning. Attempting to equate all bandwagonners seems to me like an effort to help oneself blend in with poorly playing townies.
If it weren't for my major suspicions of Skyler, this would definitely be a surefire sign of a mafia pairing IMO. Air tries to play Meno up by taking a stupid comment and trying to force a ridiculous conclusion like "he must be town because he's sad we lost a townie". Again, this could easily just be a result of inexperiance, but it makes the idea no less absurd. All of this is on top of the fact that they both voted on the bandwagon with absolutely no reasoning.
See he did justify his reasoning for voting XACE. I can't answer for him, but that's what I felt as well. Then most likely at that point in time they were the too biggest suspects. If 4 other people had already voted XACE what makes it any different for Skyler?
If anything, this was the one statement that encouraged me to take my first vote. But in hindsight, this lead us very astray. If we had done a no-lynch, we would have lost only one townie - with a lynch we had the high probability of missing and hitting one of our own, in addition to the mafia kill. With the loss of Teran and XACE, the 'plan' obviously succeeded.
Whether or not Tom assigned roles due to veteran status is irrelevant, as we won't know. But this quote is very skiddish. "Oh, Tom would never make the mistake of making me mafia. That would be much too easy." All of this strikes me as... odd.
I was just another one of those poorly playing townies. Xace's vote made perfect sense at the time (obviously). I made a mistake, and being suspected is a direct result of this mistake. I put in my feelings on Marshy's argument because saying that somebody who could very easily be just another newbie bandwagoner (me...) is mafia will only harm the town and make them lose another townie.
I didn't say that you couldn't narrow down mafia by scrutinizing a bandwagoner - I said that you couldn't find mafias just by looking at bandwagoning. Looking at bandwagoning AND other factors, however, seems to be a logical way to find mafia (though this is probably just another noob mistake that will quickly be proven wrong, haha).
That also seemed a bit weird to me. And then Xace got his first four votes, TUSM came in and said that Marshy's last post looked like it was trying to protect Xace caused me to vote Xace myself - which looking back on it was a bad choice. Of course Marshy is going to want to protect another townie. It was just me going along with the bandwagoners.
He was the first to suggest a no lynch, and in both of these he seemed pretty eager to get the voting done possibly because he wanted night to come quicker since at the time we were going pretty slow and he wanted to kill someone.
Okay, I'm sorry. I have to pick this apart to. When you quoted me...it was for a no lynch. So how the hell does any of that make sense? If I was truly mafia, I would've spent the daytime trying to force a mislynch not be pushing a no lynch. I simply voted XACE for the way he was acting and everyone bandwagoned. Also, I've never been the first to vote. Frozenflame has been first both times. Seems to me still that you were trying to counter vote me with no basis. Which makes it that much more suspicious.
If you call that a justification, it's a terrible one. If Skyler was suspicious of MARSHY for defending someone, WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THAT PERSON?!
This is a story I believe. Being the 3rd vote, your non-justification wasn't as grave. I understand wanting to spice the game up a bit and get it moving, but just voting with NO EXPLANATION is not the way to go about doing it. All it does is set people up for more bandwagonning (which it did) which as you saw, leads to hasty inexplicable lynches and prevents the town from getting much information. This keeps us in square one and prevents the game and discussion from progressing, which is the exact OPPOSITE result that your efforts were made toward.
You're trying trying to play mafia like a straight up numbers game, which first of all, it isn't, and secondly, your logic is flawed anyway. Allow me to explain.
It is definitely not irrelevant. I'm trying to prevent people from being tricked into making stupid conclusions that could be based off of the awful assumption that Marshy and I must be different alignments since we're the two experienced players here. I'm trying to discount that by reiterating the fact that Tom stated that roles were chosen AT RANDOM. I never said anything about how there was absolutely no way I could be mafia, all I said was, DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT IF I AM TOWN, MARSHY IS MAFIA, OR VISE VERSA. Any sensible mafia could EASILY use that kind of logic to persuade people into quickly lynching the both of us if one of us comes up as town, if both of us are town.
As i touched on earlier in my post, why didn't you vote FOR MARSHY if you thought what MARSHY SAID was suspicious? I also don't see how your vote made perfect sense. I don't think it made any sense whatsoever. You really need to explain this.
How was XACE being jumpy? Show quotes to support this.
I just felt that this was jumpy at the beginning. But looking back on it, it doesn't seem that bad now. The others will have to answer since they bandwagoned off me.
Because Xace already had four votes. As I said, Marshy acted like he was protecting Xace (or at least, that's how it seemed), so I put the final vote on Xace because I thought both him and Marshy were mafia.
I just got that feeling from his posts, such as the ones Chaco just posted. Looking back, I was wrong.
Kind of, but he seemed to provide good reasoning of his actions
.Yeah, but I'm going to wait longer until I make any voting decisions.
I'm waiting for Meno and TUSM to post, they've been quiet.
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I think he makes sense and so my suspicions are lifted for now.
Quiet? At least I've explained myself. All you've said is "me too", which is dragging me down with you. I can only see one way to "clear my name."
Ok so, you thought both Marshy and XACE were mafia, and saw that XACE was one vote away from lynch, so you hammered him in order to eliminate one of your suspects, convinced he was mafia?
From what I've seen, air has been very evasive and brief. He hasn't brought much to the table and doesn't seem to have anything controversial or progressive to say. The behavior is fitting of that of a mafia who is too timid to put his feet in the water, and I agree it is quite suspicious. If he doesn't add some concrete content to the game soon, I may end up pursuing him harder.
Where did this come from? How do you figure that? This needs to be explained.I don't really have nothing else to say about Chaco, he pretty much cleared himself
As far as everyone else, Skyler seems to be the only one (other than myself) that seems to be a suspect so far.
