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For starters, implement B-revese Needles into your game. This allows you to turn around at any point at time very easily, and becomes extremely useful with Needle Fidgeting and Instant Needle Canceling. Make sure that you are using Short Hop Fasfalls whenever you are jumping for movement and to give the treat of a Fair (which you should be doing in Neutral a lot), and using Run to Shield is a pretty good way to remain stationary while stopping a Dash.
If he is able to get out a move like F-smash during combos, you probobly are not using true combos or even moves that almost combo, especially since F-smash is activated from the ground. Try keeping him airborne more often and executing any combo as fast as possible. If that still doesn't work, at least you could predict the F-smash, block it and go in for a Boost Grab.
Hold on, I'll run the calculations for the shield stun and see of you can punish on block.
At punishable range, Fair does 4 frames of Shield Stun. Assuming she didn't autocancle it, which she probably didn't considering that it landed at all, it has 10 frames of landing lag. Ike's shield grab comes out frame 7, meaning Ike is at worst -1 frames on block for Fair, better if she doesn't land the frame after Fair. Since Sheik's fastest move from the that she could reasonably land (jab requires her to be insanely close to Ike and spacing that bad is rare) is frame 5, a grab is always garuenteed. However, since Ike's jab is frame 5, Sheik would have had to hit the Fair on shield 2 frames before she hit the ground for you to be able to get Jab. It's safest to go for grab. Also if the Sheik autocanceled the Fair you are getting either F-tilted or Grabed.
I have. It doesn't do too much. She doesn't have very good OoS that take advantage of it, and whenever I up smashed, I'd jump and up air.
If that's how you feel after playing her, she probably isn't a character for you.
i figured i used to play shiek but couldnt figure out the mu
How to DI stuff
Uhm honestly i'm pretty sure you dont need PP's, if there is optimized stuff but your fundamentals and punish game is what really matters as sheik. As in, improve your reads, adapt playstyles, work on spacing, stuff like that should keep you busy and improving without using PPs. They arent really necessary out of top-level play so yea.
*sigh* Sheik is officially a girl, there no him to her. That aside, have you ever played against a good player? If they know what they do they usually eat average sheiks for breakfast... She's light so she dies early, and also really fast which makes it kinda hard to input everything with enough precision to be effective.... not to mentions the tons of AT she has and how edgeguard heavely she usually is... that should be kinda explanation enough i hope...
To my knowledge, the most popular reasoning behind that is that using smash stick for aerials affects your momentum, while tilt stick doesn't. For Sheik specifically, she doesn't use her smashes anywhere near as often as she uses her tilts, so it's almost a waste.
Oh never knew smash stick affected arieal movement, is it a noticeable difference when using vs not using?
Uhm, well it should be correct angle, if you go to high like all the time you should angle further down. Thing is, if you hold down, you'll not snap the ledge.
hey, you have to input the general direction of the ledge and then let go of the control stick BEFORE the initial vanish animation ends. it's a timing thing that takes a bit of practice but is pretty easy once you get it down. and very important. if you hold the control stick all the way through the animation, then she will go exactly where you told her to.
Well no, if you don't have a direction at the moment she vanishes, she'll just go straight up. Releasing while she's invisible works.
You'd usually do that with so called SDI, which is done by mashing the stick in the direction you want to go, or hold it there and kinda tilt it from there left and right fast (note that this is necessary against bayonetta eg, and there should be alot of guide on youtube).
Playing Sheik will force you to learn Sheik things. She's a complex character, more so than most of the rest of the cast. If you are just getting into competitive Smash I'd actually recomend an easier character like Cloud so you could focus more on Smash stuff rather than Sheik stuff.
1. The main reason players will switch to using bair or nair over fair is that they deal more damage, and so would rather them as combo finishers than fair. And really, it depends on preference, and the situation. Often you'll see top player do falling fair > rar bair at mid %s. In this situation, bouncing fish would also work, and deal MORE damage, but they want to keep bouncing fish fresh for killing. After an ftilt at around mid %s, nair or bair are the best bnb followups, as they deal good damage and there aren't extended combos that can be easily done. There's no set distance or % where it's optimal to do these instead, but if you do want to do nair or bair from a throw or an ftilt or a falling fair, then around 50% is where I would start.
