New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Oasis_S]

I was like "Wow, this roster is actually awesome! WAIT.... NO LAYTON?!!!! EEEEEAAAAARRRGGGHH!!!!" I am disappoint, son. Also, what's with the lack of love for Tom Nook. Has he lost ALL of his support?!

I'M SORRY. If we could have a third new third-party character, I'd say it'd be Layton for sure. And as much as I love Animal Crossing, I really don't think it needs a playable character. Sakurai pretty much said AC's characters are just too peaceful, and quite frankly I agree. Imagining any AC character throwing a punch (save Kapp'n, lol) is JUST WEIRD.

 

[Starphoenix]

To Starphoenix:

Any link to Toise's observations. They sound similar to what I saw for the most part.

http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?do=discuss&discussionid=6326&pp=15&page=7

Page 7, 8, and 9.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Also, you didn't cut Ness like you said.

 

[Oasis_S]

Ha! No Victini!! SSBF isn't going to approve of this roster lol so don't expect him to be appraised so much lol..

But I don't mind, at least you have The Black Knight on there.

Also, you didn't cut Ness like you said.

I felt Zoroark balanced it out better. And I would never cut Ness, don't be silly.

 

[Deleted member]

Hextupley is working on some templates. He said he will have something this evening.

I look forward to seeing them.

Also found out from Toise that his Japanaes board jumping has a relatively good sample size. Even dug through 2ch to see what characters they are talking about.

Thanks for letting us know.

Layton will probably make the roster, You did read that article right? I wouldn't worry so much about Layton, tbh I'm more worried about Megaman.

I do hope for Layton to get in, but even though the fact Japanese want him in helps his chances, my feelings in regards in his chances isn't that great.

I'm not, the way I see it now easily these third partcy characters could be in the next game. Together.:

Solid Snake
Sonic The Hedgehog
Megaman
Slime
Professor Layton

I'm now becoming a Layton fan so I'd enjoy seeing him.

I can only really see four of them coming back, but a fifth one is somewhat plausible 50 slots and up. That said, I would love to see all of them in SSB4. Just add in Ryu Hayabusa and it's perfect for me.

His chances are ok, if his title does well in Europe...

Basically my thoughts, but have it do well in America as well if it's carried over.

Even better, than 5 third party characters would only be 10% of the entire roster. The only reason I bring it up is many suggest more than three third party characters would over-saturate the roster. Where as if you look at it, 90%-92% of the characters remain Nintendo exclusive.

Pretty much this. I'm fine with up to 10% of the roster being third-party characters with good history on Nintendo platforms.

I think Sakurai is done with "newcomer clones" after Toon Link, Wolf, and Lucas. I really hope so at least...

Me too. There is no reason why we should have clones aside from Luigi and Black Shadow if he becomes playable and takes Ganondorf move sets.

So "PCAM" is to be interpreted as Project: Character Alliance Movement?

I'm trying to think through how we can package this in a way that could go mainstream, and I'm a little concerned about the redundancy of "Project" and "Movement"

....if you're open to retooling that is.

I like Starphoenix's idea of CAP (Character Alliance Project).

I'm not opposed to it, but SSBF is the one in control primarily

Actually, one of the reasons why PCAM was made so that leaders and members of PCAM can contribute to ideas to improve it and to change it. So everyone part of PCAM has a say, even if I am the main guy.

Geez. Nsider is quite a place.

I decided to go advertise my alliances there, and all I got is mostly some sort of negative responses, one of them being even a troll post. (-l_i-)

The alliances were of course Panel De Pwnage (< I was said I should learn to title and they all overrated Lip's obscureness to the point of one saying she's as likely as Doki Doki Panic-characters and Arle Nadja, lol) and Project Shooting Star (which was said to be some kind of waste of time, they overrated Starfy's chances and said there's already a topic.)

I think I don't want to go into Nsider for a long time.

Don't give up, we just need to try to plan it better. Had you waited and we planned this one out, I think it would have gone better. The worst thing to do is to leave the site.

Nsider is full of cynics now....

mostly.

@PCAM guys: you think "Character Alliance Project" or "Character Alliance movement" would work?

I don't think overall, Nsider2 and IGN are cynics. Maybe towards certain character, but their expectations are higher then ours.

I also prefer Character Alliance Project (CAP).

I'm going to begin discussion and start an outlet at IGN where I can use to attract an audience. Since IGN is more lax in their allowances it is the best place to go next.

But yes, before I begin linking to my site I'd like a more professional interface.

Since IGN is a major site, I think that can pan well providing that the execution is done well. I'll visit it once you put it up since I have an account there.

What board you thinking of going to? I'll warn you right now, the Smash board at IGN is full of cynics and trolls.

That's why I dread the IGN part of the alliance. Not to mention it's a somewhat inactive place to deal with.

Anyway, I plan on going to the following sites:
YouTube
IGN
GameFAQs
Nsider2
All is Brawl
4chan???

I am very worried about GameFAQs. Knowing the hostile environment of that forum, that will be the hardest part of the battle.

Nsider could be a key place for our alliance, BUUUUUT, we clearly need to tread carefull there.

And pretty much every other places that isn't Youtube, which ironically enough, I think is the easiest part of our campaign.

Another key is pacing. Learn when to post and not to post. So when you see your thread is lagging and you want to bump it back you aren't double posting. It takes a little bit of methodical thinking.

That's one thing I've learned and made be better at arguments. I actually had to think the arguments out and it came out better.

@Shortiecanbrawl (#24436): Sounds like a good plan to me.

. Ray MK
2. Starfy
3. Paper Mario
4. Roy
5.King K. Rool
6. Victini
7. Lip
8. Deoxys
9. Black Knight
10. Toad
11. Saki
12. Slime
13. Chocobo

Anyone else? I have some ideas, but I want some of you guys to give me your imput.

We should also consider voting for Little Mac and Starfy if the opportunity arise.

Don't forget リドリー / Ridorii / Ridley BD

BDDD

Would it be important for "PCAM" or whatever it is now to "market" characters like Ridley, K. Rool, Paper Mario (JERKS), Slime, and Mega Man to allow the other characters to essentially piggyback off their popularity.

Even though that's a dirty thing to do.

I really don't think that would work that well. For PCAM, I want this group to be able to have enough focus on all groups so that all have a decent shot of being playable, not just market the top dogs.

I actually visited a Japanese Smash forum recently to see what they wanted for Smash 4. Surprisingly, there was little consensus on who should be in. I did see a lot of requested though for Roy and Mewtwo to return though. Most of the suggestions for characters we want only got two suggestions, with the majority of suggestions being stuff you would see suggested on IGN's boards (a lot of obscure fighting game and anime characters were suggested). The topic regularly became a flame war between several posters about absurd topics about the relevance of obscure fighting series and voice actors.

Overall, I think most Japanese Smash fans were satisfied with Brawl's roster, which is why there was practically no characters suggestions outside of Roy and Mewtwo. I think the Western Smash Bros. fanbase is trending toward this too, with the only characters there being a consensus in regards to inclusion being Ridley, Mega Man, Isaac, Little Mac, and K. Rool.

- Very happy to see that Mewtwo and Roy are highly requested among gamers in Japan as well. I've been having a gut feeling that Mewtwo would return and I'm slightly more confident in his return. I guess this outrage has caused gamers to demand his inclusion even more. Also, it's very ironic that Japanese don't recognize that anime characters will never be playable when we may not even get third-party characters again.

The fact that people seem to be satisfied with Brawl's roster goes to show that we are running out of popular candidates. After SSB4, if we want to even hope for 10+ slots expansion, it's going to need a long hiatus. As for what the western gamers want, I think it's plausible that all five mentioned above are finally made playable.

I saw slightly more requests for Roy (about two more maybe). However, in general they were typically paired together in requests.

Another interesting tidbit that I found on some inactive Japanese Smash Bros. blog was that Meta Knight, Marth, and Ike are the three most used characters in Brawl by Japanese players. It was not an online poll, but rather some study that was done. If this is indeed the case, then I would say Ike is a lock to return regardless if he is rendered unimportant to the Fire Emblem series by Smash 4.

It will also probably mean that that we will likely get more sword-users for Smash 4.

I feel the say way in regards to Ike and personally, I would be shocked to see him removed. We're more likely to see Roy return as the 3rd Fire Emblem rep then Ike get cut at this rate despite both irrelevancy.

What do you think of Black Knight's chances since you think it's likely we'll get more sword users?

The most likely sword character newcomers I would say are Takamaru and Magnus (especially in light of Sakurai's comment lamenting how few characters were created in the interim between Brawl and Smash 4 that are worthy for playable inclusion). Samurai Goroh would also have been likely if F-Zero were not a dead series.

Anyway, on the comment of F-Zero, I saw something surprising. Apparently, the idea of Black Shadow taking Ganondorf's current moveset has indeed made its way to Japan. If F-Zero were not dead, I would say that Black Shadow would have had really good chances to make it in Smash 4.

I think a new F-zero game is possible on the Wii-U especially since it's been getting very high demands for a new installment. If it happens, I think we are due for a second F-zero character, even if I can live without it.

On Sora's official site, it said development for Smash 4 will begin in October, and that development will take from two to three years.

Am I the only one hoping that it's three years?

- Feels like almost every third post is about Lucario being replaced with Zoroark #1
- The following characters come up as "likely to be cut" a lot: Snake, Sonic, Lucario, Ike, Toon Link, Wolf, Lucas, ROB #2
- Cuts in general seem to be treated as an inevitability; people bitter about Mewtwo and Roy #2
- Nerf Meta Knight!
- One guy did mention Resident Evil, but for a Nintendo VS Capcom game (sorry Shorts)
- Almost all third-party stuff is Mega Man (quite a few MMZ mentions), Slime/FF, Layton #3
- Other third parties mentioned: Dante, Luke (Tales), Presea, DQ3 guy, Banjo-Kazooie, Ryu
- K. Rool seems to be THE regular series newcomer everyone's okay with #4
- A couple people mentioned Krystal and Caeda, but always with the "we need more girls" bit
- Did see a few more Isaac mentions, plus a Starfy
- Way too many people want ****ty anime/Godzilla/Sentai stuff #5
- Victini comes up a few times, but mostly about the movie (and always "but anyway, Zoroark is our guy") #6

#1: This further solidify my theory that Zoroark is not wanted but expected. Since tons of people are talking about Lucario getting the axe to make room for Zoroark, it shows that a lot of people do not looking forward to his likely inclusion as a playable character and are overall pessimistic about the Pokemon roster for SSB4.

#2: Cuts seems to be a very hot topic in Japan and that people despise cutting. This further proves that cuts should not be done if it can be avoided.

#3: Mega Man is highly requested oversea and to a lesser extend, Slime and Layton. Very happy about those three getting mentioned a decent amount of time.

#4: This is also awesome. I'm pretty confident that King K. Rool will make it now.

#5: Fail. Looks like the fan base in Japan isn't much better then we are.

#6: Since this is more concrete information, this one really worries me. I was hoping that the movie had helped Victini's popularity a little, but it seems as he is mostly ignored. It makes me wonder if I should go back to the drawing board in regards to his chances.

 

[Barbasol]

I was like "Wow, this roster is actually awesome! WAIT.... NO LAYTON?!!!! EEEEEAAAAARRRGGGHH!!!!" I am disappoint, son. Also, what's with the lack of love for Tom Nook. Has he lost ALL of his support?!

Yeah, it seems like it.

Tom Nook had a sizable following leading up to Brawl... but since Smashville had him in the background, and Animal Crossing went repless, it seems to have dried up. Which is very unfortunate.

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Anyway, I'm gone on vacation for the next few days. Cheers all!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Meh...does masked man ring a bell?

But in all seriousness, Tingle shouldn't be on there, I feel he could have his chances countered by Ghirahim's, besides if his moveset were balloon based, wouldn't Sakurai find a complication much like he did with Balloon Fighter in Melee? Of course this is not to say he wouldn't have a made up moveset, but still.

 

[Kantrip]

What is the deal with Nook? Don't get me wrong,I like
him too, but he would make a horrible fighter.... what
good is he? Show me a decent legit moveset. Somebody.

-sigh-

Again? Really? Moveset potential, he has.

Up B- Fishing rod. A tether recovery.

Down B- Shovel. In the air it spikes enemies, on the ground it makes a pseudo-pitfall.

B- Furniture Leaf. Nook throws a Leaf that pops into a TV, a sofa, or some other random piece of furniture. Projectile, possibly throwable item.

Side B- Axe. Tom Nook swings an axe that sends enemies pretty far but has slow start up on the ground. Faster in the air, like Kirby's hammer.

A- Punch.
AA- Punch punch.
AAA- Repeated punches with both fists, blurring from the speed. More like sissy slaps than punches, but lol.

Other stuff, I'm too lazy to do this again. He has plenty of moveset potential. An alternate Side B could be throwing bells too, if needed.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

Tingle... lol I would main him.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Anyway, I'm gone on vacation for the next few days. Cheers all!

Good luck, and happy vacationing, I will have to deal with any FE flaming myself.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Super Smash Bros.Fan: I wonder what I'd do in Nsider, though, should I keep those topics there or not? (-ll-)

 

[OmegaXXII]

I am also considering joining up GameFaqs or Nsiders sometime soon, I want to discuss and probably get some new ideas since this thread lacks a bit.

 

[Deleted member]

Ha! No Victini!! SSBF isn't going to approve of this roster lol so don't expect him to be appraised by him so much lol..

Meh, I only really disapprove of Zoroark if it means we get only four slots, which I'm worried will be the case if he gets in. I am neutral on his inclusion if we get five slots. Anyway, looking at the slots, my analysis:

54 slots is a bit much to have, although not totally unrealistic if we don't get universal roster.

Going by columns, the first two are perfect. The third one is kind of questionable since I'm not sure if we'll get a fifth Zelda rep, but it's not too bad since a fifth one is plausible in a 54 character slot roster. Fourth and fifth are absolutely perfect. The sixth one is good as well, but I'm iffy on Krystal's chances. Pokemon is good, eight column is good although I'm iffy on Black Knight, although I will say he is possible. Mask Man and Shulk will not likely be playable and I do doubt their inclusions a lot. We may or may not get Ray or Samurai Goroh, but are certainly plausible in a 54 slot roster, so they're okay. I highly doubt we're getting Slime and Chocobo, but drop one of them and it'll work out.

So a solid roster. Has a few questionable choice and it needs to be a bit smaller, but not something outrageous.

 

[ChronoBound]

Hmm. It seems as though Ridley and Little Mac will have to be carried by Western popularity.

I did not see much requests for Mario newcomers either. A lot of Toad's popularity is in Japan, and its unfortunate that it has not translated to Smash Bros. support. I still am hoping for his inclusion though.

I am thinking that the female newcomer will either be Palutena or Medusa (or possibly both, with one of them being a Luigi-fied clone of the other).

Sakurai could very well hold off on cutting characters this time around, and may even add back some of the Melee cut veterans (particularly Mewtwo and Roy).

I think once Kid Icarus Uprising is released we will see much more requests for a Kid Icarus newcomer the world over.

Lip and Starfy are also both particularly hurt by Toise's observations, since Japan is said to be their strongest territory.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Daawww man, If Lip and Starfy won't make it or even aren't somehow included, I reallycould turn of SSB4 or at least not really like it's roster (since I don't know about the rest, Toad... man...)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm. It seems as though Ridley and Little Mac will have to be carried by Western popularity.

I did not see much requests for Mario newcomers either. A lot of Toad's popularity is in Japan, and its unfortunate that it has not translated to Smash Bros. support. I still am hoping for his inclusion though.

I am thinking that the female newcomer will either be Palutena or Medusa (or possibly both, with one of them being a Luigi-fied clone of the other).

Sakurai could very well hold off on cutting characters this time around, and may even add back some of the Melee cut veterans (particularly Mewtwo and Roy).

I think once Kid Icarus Uprising is released we will see much more requests for a Kid Icarus newcomer the world over.

Lip and Starfy are also both particularly hurt by Toise's observations, since Japan is said to be their strongest territory.

Those two reasons I highly agree with, people keep bashing the Kid Icarus series, even though the game isn't out yet, once it hit's us commercially alot more request for Medusa, Palutena or Magnus will surely arise.

As for Mewtwo, I am very optimistic since Sakurai mentioned that Nintendo is "lacking" in new franchises at the moment, so it helps out Mewtwo to an extent.

As for Roy, I am very neutral for his inclusion, i'm expecting somebody like Caeda or Black Knight, speaking of which what do you think of the Black Knight's chances? mind explaining why Roy has a higher and better chance, maybe an essay would help convince me on this mayter since I currently am agaisnt Roy's inclusion.

 

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O.K. it took me a little while, but I finished a basic character translation list. Hopefully it should make it easier for everyone since we're getting into who is wanted in Japan.

Spoiler

Mario - マリオ
Luigi -ルイージ
Bowser -クッパ
Peach -ピーチ
Toad - キノピオ
Bowser Jr. - クッパJr.
Waluigi -ワルイージ
Paper Mario - マリオ（ペーパー）
Dr. Mario - Dr.マリオ
Geno - ジーノ

Link -リンク
Zelda - ゼルダ
Ganondorf -ガノンドロフ
Toon Link -トゥーンリンク
Tingle -チンクル
Ghirahim - Ghirahim
Skull Kid - スタルキッド

Samus/Z.S. Samus - サムス/サムスゼロスーツ
Ridley - リドリー

Pit - ピット
Medusa - メデューサ
Palutena - パルテナ
Magnus - マグナス

D.K. -ドンキーコング
Diddy K. -ディディーコング
Dixie K. - ディクシーコング
King K. Rool - キングクルール

Yoshi -ヨッシー

Wario -ワリオ

Kirby - カービー
Meta Knight -メタナイト
King Dedede -キングデデデ

Olimar -ピクミン＆オリマー

Fox -フォックス
Falco -ファルコ
Wolf -ウルフ
Krystal - クリスタル

Pikachu-ピカチュウ
Jigglypuff -プリン
Pokemon Trainer Red -ポケモントレーナーレッド
Mewtwo -ミュウツー
Pichu - ピチュー
Deoxys - デオキシス
Lucario -ルカリオ
Zoroark - ゾロアーク
Victini - ビクティニ

Captain Falcon -キャプテン・ファルコン
Samurai Goroh -サムライ ゴロー
Black Shadow - ブラックシャドー

Marth -マルス
Ike -アイク
Roy - ロイ
Lyn -リン
Caeda -シーダ
Black Knight -漆黒の騎士

Ness -ネス
Lucas -リュカ

Mr. Game & Watch - Mr.ゲーム＆ウォッチ
R.O.B. -ロボット
Ice Climbers -アイスクライマー
Takamaru - 鷹丸
Issac -ロビン
Saki -サキ アマミヤ
Starfy -スタフィー
Ray -カスタムロボ
Little Mac - リトルマック
Lip - リップ
Mii - ミー


Snake -スネーク
Sonic -ソニック
Megaman - ロックマン
Slime - スライム
Chocobo - チョコボ,
Bomberman - ボンバーマン
Ryu (Street Fighter) - リュウ
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden) - リュウ・ハヤブサ
Layton - レイトン教授

If I'm missing anyone just let me know.

EDIT: Added Lip
EDIT: Added Layton
EDIT: Added Mii

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Lip's missing-- can't think much more, since it's quite complete in my opinion.

 

[OmegaXXII]

You forgot Professor Layton as well, Level-5 shows interest in him being playable in smash as well, so add him.

 

[Oasis_S]

Meh, I only really disapprove of Zoroark if it means we get only four slots, which I'm worried will be the case if he gets in. I am neutral on his inclusion if we get five slots. Anyway, looking at the slots, my analysis:

54 slots is a bit much to have, although not totally unrealistic if we don't get universal roster.

Going by columns, the first two are perfect. The third one is kind of questionable since I'm not sure if we'll get a fifth Zelda rep, but it's not too bad since a fifth one is plausible in a 54 character slot roster. Fourth and fifth are absolutely perfect. The sixth one is good as well, but I'm iffy on Krystal's chances. Pokemon is good, eight column is good although I'm iffy on Black Knight, although I will say he is possible. Mask Man and Shulk will not likely be playable and I do doubt their inclusions a lot. We may or may not get Ray or Samurai Goroh, but are certainly plausible in a 54 slot roster, so they're okay. I highly doubt we're getting Slime and Chocobo, but drop one of them and it'll work out.

So a solid roster. Has a few questionable choice and it needs to be a bit smaller, but not something outrageous.

54? Are you not counting Mii?

Tingle - If I cut Tingle, I'd cut Bowser Jr and Mewtwo (and consequently replace Zoroark with Victini) as well. None of those series need a fifth rep to begin with.
Krystal - Kind of just there to fill out the roster, but I do think she would be great in Smash. Her inclusion would round out the series perfectly.
Black Knight - I've been convinced he's the best candidate for a new FE character, and if he plays like I think he should, I'd love to see him. Still, kind of there just to fill out the roster.
Masked Man - Mostly to fill out the roster and because I LIKE HIM.
Shulk - I wouldn't be so quite to doubt him, buddy. He is a Nintendo character, and their newest one at that (I think? Lol). Sakurai seems to want to use NEW Nintendo characters, and Shulk is apparently very popular in Japan.
Ray - I wouldn't doubt him either. He'd surely be unique, and the atmosphere he'd bring to Smash would be nice.
Samurai Goroh - I don't really care for him, and I would easily replace him with Black Shadow. Mostly to fill out the roster.
Slime & Chocobo - I just like the idea of it. I'm sure if the idea got around, everyone would jump on to support it.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm. It seems as though Ridley and Little Mac will have to be carried by Western popularity.

I did not see much requests for Mario newcomers either. A lot of Toad's popularity is in Japan, and its unfortunate that it has not translated to Smash Bros. support. I still am hoping for his inclusion though.

I am thinking that the female newcomer will either be Palutena or Medusa (or possibly both, with one of them being a Luigi-fied clone of the other).

Sakurai could very well hold off on cutting characters this time around, and may even add back some of the Melee cut veterans (particularly Mewtwo and Roy).

I think once Kid Icarus Uprising is released we will see much more requests for a Kid Icarus newcomer the world over.

Lip and Starfy are also both particularly hurt by Toise's observations, since Japan is said to be their strongest territory.

- Sadly this. I used to call them practically a shoe-in, now I feel that while they're likely, they are not as likely as I though they would be. If Sakurai does not look at us, we could lose Ridley and maybe Little Mac permanently since Sakurai could be stuck in the mindset that Ridley is too big and Little Mac is not popular, when in reality, neither in the case.

- This one is incredibly ironic to me, especially since Mario is the best-selling franchise in the world. I personally think that Mario is due for a fifth rep and there really is no reason NOT to expand it, not even illogical reasons (which Pokemon has to worry about).

- It seems ironic you think this way considering you have very low expectations of the roster. That said, I am very much hoping they will hold off on cutting characters this time around and maybe add Mewtwo and Roy back to the game. After the back lash Sakurai got for Mewtwo's and to a lesser extend, Roy's removal, Sakurai is probably much less willing to cut characters and based off Brawl, it looks as he wasn't a fan of cutting anyone with the exception of Pichu (I consider Young and Toon Link to the be same).

- Wouldn't that be too late for SSB4? That said, Sakurai is almost guarantee to give us a second Kid Icarus rep regardless since he worked on Uprising.

- This stings. The game deserves a decent and unique puzzle rep and Starfy is a great choice for a newcomer. That said, it's why I don't expect either to make the cut.

Based off these information, how I feel the chances of said characters (+ is up, - is down):
+ King K. Rool
+ Mega Man
+ Slime
+ Professor Layton
+ Zoroark
+ Mewtwo
+ Roy
+ Takamaru

- Ridley
- Little Mac
- Victini
- Krystal
- Isaac
- Starfy
- Lip
- Ray (Custom Robo)
- Bowser Jr./Toad/Paper Mario

One additional note, it seems as Japanese are not interested in new series getting in with the exception of third-party characters.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Ridley down? how so??

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley down? how so??

It more or less depends on if Sakurai looks outside of Japan for popularity. In the case he doesn't, I think his chances are slightly less then I though it was, although this by no means implies I am pessimistic about it.

 

[---]

I think Ridley's fine, many interviews about Brawl I've seen have directly asked about him. Sakurai has stated he could become a potential character, but he would just need to make a moveset and have a good amount of time to work on him.

 

[Starphoenix]

Hmm. It seems as though Ridley and Little Mac will have to be carried by Western popularity.

I did not see much requests for Mario newcomers either. A lot of Toad's popularity is in Japan, and its unfortunate that it has not translated to Smash Bros. support. I still am hoping for his inclusion though.

I am thinking that the female newcomer will either be Palutena or Medusa (or possibly both, with one of them being a Luigi-fied clone of the other).

Sakurai could very well hold off on cutting characters this time around, and may even add back some of the Melee cut veterans (particularly Mewtwo and Roy).

I think once Kid Icarus Uprising is released we will see much more requests for a Kid Icarus newcomer the world over.

Lip and Starfy are also both particularly hurt by Toise's observations, since Japan is said to be their strongest territory.

Lip definitely, Starfy is a little iffy as his name did come up a couple of times. If anything the people hurt worst out of this are potential Mario characters. No debate on that one.

Based off these information, how I feel the chances of said characters (+ is up, - is down):
+ King K. Rool
+ Mega Man
+ Slime
+ Professor Layton
+ Zoroark
+ Mewtwo
+ Roy
+ Takamaru

- Ridley
- Little Mac
- Victini
- Krystal
- Isaac
- Starfy
- Lip
- Ray (Custom Robo)
- Bowser Jr./Toad/Paper Mario

One additional note, it seems as Japanese are not interested in new series getting in with the exception of third-party characters.

You should add Sin and Punishment characters to the "+" category as Toise mentioned seeing the series come up quite a bit.

Also, I've been working on a design for the "Endless Tower" concept I created for Slime and Chocobo. Here is where I'm at currently.

My stage concept itself is here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13169654&postcount=76

 

[OmegaXXII]

It more or less depends on if Sakurai looks outside of Japan for popularity. In the case he doesn't, I think his chances are slightly less then I though it was, although this by no means implies I am pessimistic about it.

Yea, it is all probably solely depending on the Japanese community at the moment, sadly.

I am hoping Sakurai would look and make consider taking opinions from the western region as well, then i would believe him to be in.

I'd like to see more information regarding Chrono's findings, interesting stuff to know, it gives us an idea of what the Japanese people want.

@Star: Nice design, are you going to expand on it?

 

[Starphoenix]

@Star: Nice design, are you going to expand on it?

Hence why I said where I'm at at the moment.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I am eccentric!! I can't wait to see what Hex will do as far as his little project goes.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to post information from ToiseOfChoice on GameFAQs and see how people respond.

 

[Shorts]

It more or less depends on if Sakurai looks outside of Japan for popularity. In the case he doesn't, I think his chances are slightly less then I though it was, although this by no means implies I am pessimistic about it.

Toise has seen general discussion of Metroid characters, both Ridley and to a lesser extent Anthony Higgs even.

Also, I stole some of your Translations ---

 

[CalvinWars]

Why doesn't Toise post in this thread?

 

[Deleted member]

Toise has seen general discussion of Metroid characters, both Ridley and to a lesser extent Anthony Higgs even.

Also, I stole some of your Translations ---

Did people actually want to see Ridley in Japan? That's something I'd like to know.

@CalvinWars: He calls this "****** City", which is actually somewhat true in it's derpier periods.

 

[ChronoBound]

The funny thing is that the Mario series made a HUGE rebound in sales in Japan, with New Super Mario Bros. Wii being the second-highest selling home console game of all time over there. If there is indeed no real demand for a Mario newcomer in Japan, Sakurai will probably choose Toad considering his high ranking in the Melee poll. Sakurai also seems to have an idea on how Toad will probably play (a constant mention of his superhuman strength in both his Melee and Brawl trophy descriptions).

Also, I am not sure Toise was ever asked about Lip. Lip probably was not even on his mind when skimming the Japanese requests. If that is the case, then perhaps the jury is still out regarding Lip's demand in Japan. Lip was a popularly requested character during the Melee poll though.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why doesn't Toise post in this thread?

Because this thread is dumb and is full of idiocy at times, hence why it's called "****** City" at times.

It would be nice to see more people like him and Chrono debating and discussing in the same thread (or discussion group)

 

[CalvinWars]

@SSBF and Omega Can't say I blame him. Sucks for us, but I see his point.

 

[Shorts]

Toise doesn't post here because it sucks. Well, that's what he says. I halfly agree.

Here's everything he's said reguarding what he's read on the Japanese board. This is split between yesterday, and today, so keep this in mind.

- A LOT of people asking for Mewtwo and Roy (also Lucario/Zoroark/Marth/Ike discussions why not)
- K. Rool, Shulk (Xenoblade), and Miis came up regularly
- Square-Enix had the most discussion out of all third-parties (mainly Slime and various FF characters)
- Decent amount of mentions for Mega Man, Professor Layton, Dixie Kong, Takamaru, Claus, more F-Zero and Metroid in general, and some Last Story/Zangeki no Reginleiv characters
- Black Shadow-dorf and Ridley's size came up more than once

- Very few mentions for Little Mac or anyone from Golden Sun
- Only one mention for Krystal and Victini each
- Nobody was talking about new Mario, Zelda, or Kid Icarus characters at all

@Chu: Actually, I'd say the most pronounced difference was the lack of Mario character discussion. Everyone here treats it as an inevitability, everybody there figures that series is set. The biggest similarities were Pokemon and DK though.

@Shorts: They actually talked about Capcom quite a bit, just not as much as Square-Enix and not always about Mega Man (some Monster Hunter stuff, I was pleased).

Wasn't somebody a big Banjo-Kazooie fan here? A lot of them talked about that too, forgot to mention. I was a little bummed because only one guy said anything about Castlevania (a Simon moveset with changing subweapons, oh yeah).

Oh yeah, they too talk about casuals ruining gaming and some of the professional players from SmashBoards (M2K I think? and Ally? I think that was it). Popped into my head just now.

Didn't I have Sin & Punishment in the "decent amount of mentions" part?

Guess I didn't. Oh well, quite a few people talking about them too.

- Feels like almost every third post is about Lucario being replaced with Zoroark
- The following characters come up as "likely to be cut" a lot: Snake, Sonic, Lucario, Ike, Toon Link, Wolf, Lucas, ROB
- Cuts in general seem to be treated as an inevitability; people bitter about Mewtwo and Roy
- Nerf Meta Knight!
- One guy did mention Resident Evil, but for a Nintendo VS Capcom game (sorry Shorts)
- Almost all third-party stuff is Mega Man (quite a few MMZ mentions), Slime/FF, Layton
- Other third parties mentioned: Dante, Luke (Tales), Presea, DQ3 guy, Banjo-Kazooie, Ryu
- K. Rool seems to be THE regular series newcomer everyone's okay with
- A couple people mentioned Krystal and Caeda, but always with the "we need more girls" bit
- Did see a few more Isaac mentions, plus a Starfy
- Way too many people want ****ty anime/Godzilla/Sentai stuff
- Victini comes up a few times, but mostly about the movie (and always "but anyway, Zoroark is our guy")

No Punch-Out, no (Pokemon) Trainer talk

And I must have read something else about Ridley and Anthony Higgs. -.- did not mean to confuse you guys. Sorry!

 

[BKupa666]

Sakurai doesn't solely base decisions off of Japan, before anyone gets that idea, although he does look there primarily when deciding newcomers. For Ridley, I think he has no real choice, honestly...he's been confronted by Nintendo Power, and Ridley doesn't appear to be UNpopular over there. Plus, he added Sonic because, if he was not in Brawl, the American fans would rage. I can see him taking a similar stance on Ridley this go around.

As for Little Mac, Sakurai already referred to him as a 'legend' in his AT update, and NEVER said he could only punch. That was Urban Champion, not Little Mac...there -is- a difference. Plus, he does have that quote where he says that only adding popular characters doesn't excite him. With that, plus Little Mac's revival, I still find him quite likely.

On a different subject, can someone kindly PM me the link to the SSBU Discussion group? I can't seem to find it with a simple group search.

EDIT: K. Rool fans, I have added a new moveset topic in the Kremling Krew discussion regarding K. Rool with moves only from his King persona. Feel free to contribute.

http://www.smashboards.com/group.ph...&discussionid=6488&gmid=475810#gmessage475810

 

[OmegaXXII]

The funny thing is that the Mario series made a HUGE rebound in sales in Japan, with New Super Mario Bros. Wii being the second-highest selling home console game of all time over there. If there is indeed no real demand for a Mario newcomer in Japan, Sakurai will probably choose Toad considering his high ranking in the Melee poll. Sakurai also seems to have an idea on how Toad will probably play (a constant mention of his superhuman strength in both his Melee and Brawl trophy descriptions).

Okay so let me ask you this, who do you think is most likely to happen as far as Mario reps go? What are the Japanese looking at considering characters that are most wanted, Toad probably being one of them of course due to the New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

 

[ChronoBound]

Okay so let me ask you this, who do you think is most likely to happen as far as Mario reps go? What are the Japanese looking at considering characters that are most wanted, Toad probably being one of them of course due to the New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

In terms of what I saw, the only two characters that received a lot of requests were Roy and Mewtwo. Ridley, K. Rool, Isaac/Golden Sun rep, and Mega Man also received a few requests each, but not on the level as the two cut Melee veterans.

Most other characters were only suggested once. (I saw Toad, Bowser Jr., and Geno requested only once in the entire topic). I did not see any requests for Little Mac, but I did see two for Ray.

 

[Deleted member]

The funny thing is that the Mario series made a HUGE rebound in sales in Japan, with New Super Mario Bros. Wii being the second-highest selling home console game of all time over there. If there is indeed no real demand for a Mario newcomer in Japan, Sakurai will probably choose Toad considering his high ranking in the Melee poll. Sakurai also seems to have an idea on how Toad will probably play (a constant mention of his superhuman strength in both his Melee and Brawl trophy descriptions).

Also, I am not sure Toise was ever asked about Lip. Lip probably was not even on his mind when skimming the Japanese requests. If that is the case, then perhaps the jury is still out regarding Lip's demand in Japan. Lip was a popularly requested character during the Melee poll though.

It seems that due to lack of demand for Mario reps that Japanese fans treat one as an inevitability as we treat a Pokemon newcomer as an inevitability. Except of course people want Pokemon newcomers worldwide, although Japanese seems to be much more pessimistic about the situation then us.

In regards to Pokemon, do you have any thoughts on it's potential newcomers and especially Mewtwo? I remember you saying you would be shocked if Mewtwo was not playable in SSB4 on Rate Their Chances on GameFAQs, why do you feel so confident about him?