New Smash Bros for WiiU

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Roy's our boy! Say japanese. I approve.We need to get our original Smash Brother back!

(Saddening to hear Lip's kinda seemingly most low in the book along with Mac, until we try to dig her again by taking letting Toise look at the board again and see how's Lip's mentions...=

 

[Starphoenix]

And I must have read something else about Ridley and Anthony Higgs. -.- did not mean to confuse you guys. Sorry!

That is a lot of text...

@Omega: Here is the latest on my drawing.

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[CalvinWars]

I hope Sakurai sees how wanted Mewtwo is while at the same time how hated cutting is (with important characters like Mewtwo and Roy). In a perfect world, we could see Mewtwo and Lucario, although I very much doubt that happening.

 

[Hoots]

Hey, this is off topic, but does anyone have like a template to make a roster image? I'm not the greatest with MS paint.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope Sakurai sees how wanted Mewtwo is while at the same time how hated cutting is (with important characters like Mewtwo and Roy). In a perfect world, we could see Mewtwo and Lucario, although I very much doubt that happening.

I have to agree. If nothing else, keep Lucario and add Zoroark/Victini in. The outcry should at least be enough to do that. Even if it would disappoint Mewtwo fans, fans of Pokemon in general would be glad to know that it isn't entering a cycle of cutting.

 

[Starphoenix]

I hope Sakurai sees how wanted Mewtwo is while at the same time how hated cutting is (with important characters like Mewtwo and Roy). In a perfect world, we could see Mewtwo and Lucario, although I very much doubt that happening.

For what its worth Sakurai has planned for Mewtwo to be in every iteration of Smash, but was only playable in one.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Not to mention, Mewtwo and Lucario could duel against each other... Mewtwo would though win easily.

And yays for Victini---

 

[ChronoBound]

In regards to Pokemon, do you have any thoughts on it's potential newcomers and especially Mewtwo? I remember you saying you would be shocked if Mewtwo was not playable in SSB4 on Rate Their Chances on GameFAQs, why do you feel so confident about him?

Because Mewtwo has a high desire for returning by both the Japanese and Western Smash fanbases. Sakurai also has brought cut content back in later installments (the bumper).

On the topic of Lip, Sakurai mentioned in his journal that he considered "Panel de Pon is a true masterpiece, and I strongly recommend people trying it out if they ever get the chance".

So at the very least, Sakurai is a fan of Lip's game. If Lip was not Japan-only, she would probably be a strong contender for a playable spot in Smash 4.

 

[OmegaXXII]

In terms of what I saw, the only two characters that received a lot of requests were Roy and Mewtwo. Ridley, K. Rool, Isaac/Golden Sun rep, and Mega Man also received a few requests each, but not on the level as the two cut Melee veterans.

Most other characters were only suggested once. (I saw Toad, Bowser Jr., and Geno requested only once in the entire topic). I did not see any requests for Little Mac, but I did see two for Ray.

Ray you say? That is good to hear, i actually though he was forgotten as a character due to him being somewhat irrelevant, it's good to see that he's at least getting some attention, even if it's just 2 votes.

A for Roy, as i said before I felt like he had slim chances since he got cut in Brawl, but seeing this new information has led me to believe that we might be getting Roy as a 3rd FE rep if his popularity increases, with that sais we'll most likely see Marth, Ike and Roy as the FE reps, though I would like to see Caeda or The Black Knight but I think thier chances are hurting at the moment.

Also do you have that Roy essay?, I would love to read it and see what his chances are.

 

[army man]

i'm sure someone has one, but i'm not good with MS paint either, maybe star has one

 

[CalvinWars]

I have to agree. If nothing else, keep Lucario and add Zoroark/Victini in. The outcry should at least be enough to do that. Even if it would disappoint Mewtwo fans, fans of Pokemon in general would be glad to know that it isn't entering a cycle of cutting.

The cycle of cutting is the thing I fear most with Pokemon. Again, in a perfect world, we could bring originally cut characters back with DLC, but the recent news regarding Nintendo and DLC hasn't left me the most optimistic.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Omega: Here is the latest on my drawing.

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Hey, that's looking pretty good so far, I'm guessing it will have some kind of platform between both floors i'm guessing, anyway, how is it you're doing this?

 

[army man]

The cycle of cutting is the thing I fear most with Pokemon. Again, in a perfect world, we could bring originally cut characters back with DLC, but the recent news regarding Nintendo and DLC hasn't left me the most optimistic.

sakurai doesn't make me too optimistic.

 

[CalvinWars]

Also do you have that Roy essay?, I would love to read it and see what his chances are.

Here's the link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217091 and there's another one, not as much about roy: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182516

Not gonna lie, I have them bookmarked Kudos to chrono.

EDIT: First one is about clones and cut characters. Big chunks about Mewtwo and Roy (especially Roy) and tiny one about the good Doc. Second is just about the forbidden 7 and his opinon of how the roster was like.

 

[Deleted member]

And yays for Victini---

Hate to say this, but I don't think it's time to celebrate in regards to Victini. Only a few mention has been made for him and if I read correct, they were followed up with "Zoroark's our boy!". Meaning that it seems as Zoroark is the generally agreed candidate in Smash in Japan.

As such, I feel considerably worse about his chances then I did before this information came in.

The cycle of cutting is the thing I fear most with Pokemon. Again, in a perfect world, we could bring originally cut characters back with DLC, but the recent news regarding Nintendo and DLC hasn't left me the most optimistic.

The cycle of cutting is really something I am hoping Sakurai does not make a habit of. It would absolutely infuriate me if the latest gen Pokemon can only stay for one game, especially after Mewtwo's removal. This is the main reason why in terms of the roster, my primary concern with how SSB4 turns out is the Pokemon series.

 

[Shorts]

The cycle of cutting is the thing I fear most with Pokemon. Again, in a perfect world, we could bring originally cut characters back with DLC, but the recent news regarding Nintendo and DLC hasn't left me the most optimistic.

In a perfect world, people would realize that Pokemon is the most fickle series and it will have cuts. I also wish people would be content with playing as Pichu on Melee. I love Pichu, but she/he doesn't need to come back. Mewtwo is an exception just because he is pretty much one of the top five most popular Pokemon, ever. Lucario can go as well, and just not come back.

 

[OmegaXXII]

The cycle of cutting is the thing I fear most with Pokemon. Again, in a perfect world, we could bring originally cut characters back with DLC, but the recent news regarding Nintendo and DLC hasn't left me the most optimistic.

Yes, but sadly it's probably not going to end anytime soon, unless we got the DLC option to work, but i'm pretty much am doubting DLC characters at the moment, hopefully it will come to pass so we can finally have both Mewtwo, Victini, and Lucario.

Anyway, what are people thinking in the Japanese boards concerning the chances of Victini and Zoroark??

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, what are people thinking in the Japanese boards concerning the chances of Victini and Zoroark??

Since pretty much no one wants Victini in Japan, probably that Zoroark is a shoe-in and will replace Lucario. From what I've gather, they have low expectations for the future of the series Smash-wise..

 

[Shorts]

Since pretty much no one wants Victini in Japan, probably that Zoroark is a shoe-in and will replace Lucario. From what I've gather, they have low expectations for the future of the series.

Sakurai doesn't go SOLEY off of our ideas as fans. Besides, The Pokemon Co has some say in the Pokemon selection, and the President's favorite Pokemon is Victini. He has much more say than we do. Probably why we got Lucario over Gardevior/Deoxys/Blaziken

 

[army man]

poor lucario...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

SSB Fan, don't lose your hope yet! Shortie's right in that fact- so we might see Victini, maybe even more than Zoroark.

 

[CalvinWars]

As such, I feel considerably worse about his chances then I did before this information came in.The cycle of cutting is really something I am hoping Sakurai does not make a habit of. It would absolutely infuriate me if the latest gen Pokemon can only stay for one game, especially after Mewtwo's removal. This is the main reason why in terms of the roster, my primary concern with how SSB4 turns out is the Pokemon series.

I have to agree with you on this one. Pokemon is very important to Nintendo, and so is Smash Bros. I don't want Pokemon to become like Roy: Just as advertisement for the current thing, and then cut for the sequel.

In a perfect world, people would realize that Pokemon is the most fickle series and it will have cuts. I also wish people would be content with playing as Pichu on Melee. I love Pichu, but she/he doesn't need to come back. Mewtwo is an exception just because he is pretty much one of the top five most popular Pokemon, ever. Lucario can go as well, and just not come back.

I think with the stupid additions, people will be content to stay with one game. Pichu and Dr. Mario were, in my opinion, not really worth it. Sorry Doc and Pichu fans, but they can stay to one game.

Yes, but sadly it's probably not going to end anytime soon, unless we got the DLC option to work, but i'm pretty much am doubting DLC characters at the moment, hopefully it will come to pass so we can finally have both Mewtwo, Victini, and Lucario.

You're probably right, but we can dream right?! ='(

 

[Shorts]

Here is some Toise stuff. Now stop crying and listen you over reactors.

Nope, didn't see (Ridley) him today and not too much last time (though a few people mentioned wanting more Metroid stuff).


Before I posted any of this, I figured certain people were gonna take this way too seriously. Looks to be the case in the Wii U thread, at least.

A few things on why people shouldn't think too hard about this stuff:

- Me and CB are only scratching the surface in terms of the total Japanese fanbase (and that's basically all we can do)
- Sakurai does NOT ignore fan requests/tastes outside of Japan
- Sakurai trusts his judgment more than whatever the loudest fans crow about


On another note, artificially-generated popularity is a horrible thing that usually leads to some pretty nasty backlash. You guys really aren't doing yourselves any favors with these character support groups and Jehovah's Witness-esque plans to "spread the word."

 

[ChronoBound]

Since pretty much no one wants Victini in Japan, probably that Zoroark is a shoe-in and will replace Lucario. From what I've gather, they have low expectations for the future of the series.

I personally rather see Victini too. Personally, I don't think people WANT Zoroark so much as people EXPECT him. Heck, if Sakurai held a poll for either Zoroark or Lucario to be playable in Smash 4, Lucario would probably win it.

I think there is the chance that Meloetta could possibly be the the Black/White rep considering Meloetta has a transformation aspect to it, and Sakurai seems to quite like that kind of set up. Also, Meloetta will probably have a movie about her/it in the future, and probably be more relevant (or remembered) by the time Smash 4 is released.

However, I also think there is the possibility that Game Freak will tell Sakurai to put in their planned promotional Pokemon for Gen 6 as the Pokemon newcomer.

Also, what do you mean by that the Japanese have low expectations for the future of the Pokemon series? Are they talking about the series itself, or about its representation in Smash Bros.?

 

[Big-Cat]

Damn, Toise told it like it is for the support groups.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Personally, i'm not taking any of this information as concrete information just yet, I just want to gather ideas and possibilities as far as the Japanese community is concerned.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I think there is the chance that Meloetta could possibly be the the Black/White rep considering Meloetta has a transformation aspect to it, and Sakurai seems to quite like that kind of set up. Also, Meloetta will probably have a movie about her/it in the future, and probably be more relevant (or remembered) by the time Smash 4 is released.

That may be true , but will Sakurai actually fconsider Meloetta as a character after development starts? Would ythere be a chance of him scrapping a character for another? like Victini getting replaced by Meloetta?

I am pretty aware that Sonic was added late in development as well, so if anything we might see something like this along the lines.

 

[army man]

Personally, i'm not taking any of this information as concrete information just yet, I just want to gather ideas and possibilities as far as the Japanese community is concerned.

really, the game hasn't even STARTED production yet, and that *** sakurai really likes to take his time

it bleeped again!! all i said was that GUY ?!

 

[Shorts]

Damn, Toise told it like it is for the support groups.

Yeah, he did. :S

I honestly don't see myself being motivated or even into my character enough to waste anymore time trying to get people to vote for him. I'll still go through with my voting idea though.

 

[TL OWNS U]

That may be true , but will Sakurai actually fconsider Meloetta as a character after development starts? Would ythere be a chance of him scrapping a character for another? like Victini getting replaced by Meloetta?

I am pretty aware that Sonic was added late in development as well, so if anything we might see something like this along the lines.

Wait hold on! Sonic replaced someone in Brawl late in development?

 

[CalvinWars]

Wait hold on! Sonic replaced someone in Brawl late in development?

According to Chrono's very highly researched essay about Brawl's early roster, Mewtwo and Roy were replaced by Sonic and Wolf.

link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182516

 

[TL OWNS U]

According to Chrono's very highly researched essay about Brawl's early roster, Mewtwo and Roy were replaced by Sonic and Wolf.

link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182516

Ah now I can see why.

 

[---]

According to Chrono's very highly researched essay about Brawl's early roster, Mewtwo and Roy were replaced by Sonic and Wolf.

link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182516

If at all true, then I can forgive Sonic, but Wolf?

*** **** it Sakurai.

 

[army man]

wolf replaced mewtwo and or roy? that ticks me off

 

[JavaCroc]

Finally back. Man, I've missed a lot. I feel isolated in this forum now.

As for Syrup, it would certainly be interesting for her moveset to be designed around that. I suppose the best robot of hers she could use would be the Giant Spearman. I'll look at some gameplay video of Tron in action to get a better idea of this concept.

Alright, I took a look at Tron, and there's definitely some interesting potential behind the concept. I can see Syrup using the Giant Spearman robot, but it can be updated with bombs and such as seen in other Captain Syrup fights in the Wario Land games. Her Giant Spearman could even send out smaller, normal Spearmen.

That above is basically the look of a normal Spearman. In Wario Land 2, they wielded pitchforks instead of spears and wore bandannas to show their participation in the Black Syrup gang.

Syrup's moveset could revolve around her inside and outside the Giant Spearman. Syrup is weak by herself, so she must stay inside her Spearman as long as possible. However, after enough damage, the Spearman robot breaks apart and Syrup is left on her own. During this phase, Syrup's goal is to repair her Giant Spearman. By keeping her opponents away as much as possible through throws/attacks/whatnot, she can use one of her B special moves to repair the Giant Spearman so she can wield it's power and weight again.

It's not a question of does she, but could she. I'm not familiar with what abilities Wario had, but if they could be easily transferable to another character, then I think it'd be best if Captain Syrup could borrow Wario's moves.

Maybe; it'd be out of her character, but I'd be fine with Syrup using Wario's transformations. I'd include a list of transformations, but I'm short on time just now.

I never truly saw a divide in the Smash Brothers speculating community until recently. I see my peers who have been around the community since I was a kid. I’ve always assumed that the reasons they were right about everything was because they were older, and I myself just don’t “understand it yet”. For about a year now, this has been my major theory as to why I just don’t see the reason older gamers back up Toad, and count out Krystal so much. It was only a few weeks ago that I thought to myself, as an eighteen year old, perhaps my brain hasn’t fully developed yet, and like a growing child, I’ll understand these concepts when I get older. I recently had an epiphany, and the idea that suddenly appeared in my mind is this. It’s not that I’m too young and that I just don’t understand or cannot comprehend their reasoning yet, it’s that I will never understand their reasoning, because I am of a younger generation. The value they see in characters like Toad, Falco, and Wolf will never truly be realized by myself because I didn’t grow up in an era where they were the head honchos. By the age thirteen, Krystal and Bowser Jr. had made their debut and I myself was born into the age of “You just don’t understand”.

It’s easily argued that Toad plays the role of wall flower, and does it well; it’s also easy to argue that Krystal plays the role of Secondary character better than Falco, and also had the “Love Interest” role covered. These two roles alone bring her to a higher status than Falco and Wolf. I’ve argued these points more times than I can count, and what I’ve realized is that either these older peers of mine don’t care, or they too don’t get me, just like I don’t get them. Is it possible that my view of the future and their recollections of the past will never see eye to eye? Are we both at fault for our sides? Do we just have mindsets to blame?

It’s now that I realize, it’s not only I, that do not get you, my older peers, but it’s you just don’t seem to understand me either. So, with this thought off my chest, I can take a sigh of relief, and conjure up a little smile.

Thoughts? Anyone?

I'm 16 and I think adding Krystal over-represents Star Fox and Toad is more deserving than Bowser Jr.

And I am a fan of Bowser Jr.

Here's the list so far, I've already gotten some Japanese versions of their names. Some are harder to find. Thanks for posting King K. Rool's I couldn't find it!

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• Toad
• Bowser Jr.
• Paper Mario
• Kamek
• Mona Pizza
• Captain Syrup
• Ashley
Donkey Kong Series
• Diddy and Dixie
• Dixie Kong
• King K. Rool
The Legend Of Zelda
• Young Link
• Tingle
• Ghirahim
Metroid
• Ridley
• Dark Samus
• Anthouny Higgs
Kirby Superstar
• Prince Fluff
StarFox
• Krystal
F-Zero
• Black Shadow
• Samurai Goroh
Mother
• Claus/Masked Man
Fire Emblem
• Roy
• Black Knight
• Caeda
Pokemon
• Mewtwo
• Deoxys
• Victini
• Zoroark
• Meowth
• New Pokemon Trainer
Small Franchises
• Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight)
• Isaac (Golden Sun)
• Kanan (The Last Story)
• Lip (Panel De Pon)
• Mii (Wii series)
• Ray MK III (Custom Robo)
• Saki (Sin and Punishment)
• Shulk (Xenoblade)
• Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)
• Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight)
• Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)
• Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
Third Party characters:
• Bomberman
• Simon Belmont (Castlevania)
• Slime (Dragon Quest)
• Chocobo (Final Fantasy)
• Black Mage (Final Fantasy)
• Sora (Kingsom Hearts)
• Megaman
• Pac-Man
• Professor Layton
• Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
• Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
• Ryu (Stret Fighter)
• Geno (Super Mario RPG)
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Man, I feel isolated since I'm not specifically in this conversation. Do know that I will support your guys' efforts as much as I can.

Anyways, +2 for including Captain Syrup.

I would very much like to see more discussion on Jiro and Shulk.

I think Jiro and Skulk would actually make a great package. Jiro represents a 3DS-exclusive franchise, Skulk represents a Wii-exclusive franchise. Jiro representes the 3DS, Skulk represents the Wii.

I support both characters for SSB4.

O.K. it took me a little while, but I finished a basic character translation list. Hopefully it should make it easier for everyone since we're getting into who is wanted in Japan.

Spoiler

Mario - マリオ
Luigi -ルイージ
Bowser -クッパ
Peach -ピーチ
Toad - キノピオ
Bowser Jr. - クッパJr.
Waluigi -ワルイージ
Paper Mario - マリオ（ペーパー）
Dr. Mario - Dr.マリオ
Geno - ジーノ

Link -リンク
Zelda - ゼルダ
Ganondorf -ガノンドロフ
Toon Link -トゥーンリンク
Tingle -チンクル
Ghirahim - Ghirahim
Skull Kid - スタルキッド

Samus/Z.S. Samus - サムス/サムスゼロスーツ
Ridley - リドリー

Pit - ピット
Medusa - メデューサ
Palutena - パルテナ
Magnus - マグナス

D.K. -ドンキーコング
Diddy K. -ディディーコング
Dixie K. - ディクシーコング
King K. Rool - キングクルール

Yoshi -ヨッシー

Wario -ワリオ

Kirby - カービー
Meta Knight -メタナイト
King Dedede -キングデデデ

Olimar -ピクミン＆オリマー

Fox -フォックス
Falco -ファルコ
Wolf -ウルフ
Krystal - クリスタル

Pikachu-ピカチュウ
Jigglypuff -プリン
Pokemon Trainer Red -ポケモントレーナーレッド
Mewtwo -ミュウツー
Pichu - ピチュー
Deoxys - デオキシス
Lucario -ルカリオ
Zoroark - ゾロアーク
Victini - ビクティニ

Captain Falcon -キャプテン・ファルコン
Samurai Goroh -サムライ ゴロー
Black Shadow - ブラックシャドー

Marth -マルス
Ike -アイク
Roy - ロイ
Lyn -リン
Caeda -シーダ
Black Knight -漆黒の騎士

Ness -ネス
Lucas -リュカ

Mr. Game & Watch - Mr.ゲーム＆ウォッチ
R.O.B. -ロボット
Ice Climbers -アイスクライマー
Takamaru - 鷹丸
Issac -ロビン
Saki -サキ アマミヤ
Starfy -スタフィー
Ray -カスタムロボ
Little Mac - リトルマック
Lip - リップ
Mii - ミー


Snake -スネーク
Sonic -ソニック
Megaman - ロックマン
Slime - スライム
Chocobo - チョコボ,
Bomberman - ボンバーマン
Ryu (Street Fighter) - リュウ
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden) - リュウ・ハヤブサ
Layton - レイトン教授

If I'm missing anyone just let me know.

EDIT: Added Lip
EDIT: Added Layton
EDIT: Added Mii

Could you please add Captain Syrup?

 

[OmegaXXII]

really, the game hasn't even STARTED production yet, and that *** sakurai really likes to take his time

it bleeped again!! all i said was that GUY ?!

Yes, I really do hope he takes his time and NOT rush through it much like he did with Melee, even if he ends up delaying the game for a year i would be happy since it means he will probably put all his effort into it.

 

[Starphoenix]

Hey, that's looking pretty good so far, I'm guessing it will have some kind of platform between both floors i'm guessing, anyway, how is it you're doing this?

No, the floors themselves are it.

Since pretty much no one wants Victini in Japan, probably that Zoroark is a shoe-in and will replace Lucario. From what I've gather, they have low expectations for the future of the series Smash-wise..

I wouldn't say that. To be honest it doesn't seem like anybody really wants a 5th generation character. People just want Mewtwo back.

 

[OmegaXXII]

According to Chrono's very highly researched essay about Brawl's early roster, Mewtwo and Roy were replaced by Sonic and Wolf.

link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182516

They were??!!! so was mewtwo meant to be playable all along, man, what did Sakurai do!!!

 

[army man]

oh sakurai, if only you looked at these threads.........

 

[ChronoBound]

I wouldn't say that. To be honest it doesn't seem like anybody really wants a 5th generation character. People just want Mewtwo back.

As I said earlier, put up to a vote, even Lucario would beat out Zoroark.

Really, the promotionals/legendaries of Black/White don't seem to have the same following as that of previous generations.

Mewtwo is definitely the most wanted Pokemon "newcomer" for Smash 4.