New Smash Bros for WiiU

[OmegaXXII]

This is how I personally see it:

Megaman
Ryu
Jill Valentine

Street Fighter, Megaman, and Resident Evil are three of Capcom's most popular, famous, and deep series. She isn't likely, but she is possible. I'm keeping a hopeful attitude.

It seems that she dies have a chance at it, even if it's not as high one can't argue that Jill is definetly part of one of Capcom's biggest franchises, plus she's a female so that is always a good thing.

Since theMegaman incident happened recently, I believe her chances may have indeed rose due to Capcom not liking/ignoring Megaman recently.

What's up with Krystal? I don't really believe the StarFox series would even get four reps, IMO it doesn't deserve four, as for Krystal herself I will admit she would be unique plus she's a female but like I said unless Wolf or Falco get axed I don't think we'll be seeing a 4th rep, even if she is somewhat popular, but that's not to say Sakurai wouldn't change his mind over the franchise representation or Krystal's inclusion for that matter, with that said she indeed has a chance. ★

 

[Shorts]

It seems that she dies have a chance at it, even if it's not as high one can't argue that Jill is definetly part of one of Capcom's biggest franchises, plus she's a female so that is always a good thing.

Since theMegaman incident happened recently, I believe her chances may have indeed rose due to Capcom not liking/ignoring Megaman recently.

What's up with Krystal? I don't really believe the StarFox series would even get four reps, IMO it doesn't deserve four, as for Krystal herself I will admit she would be unique plus she's a female but like I said unless Wolf or Falco get axed I don't think we'll be seeing a 4th rep, even if she is somewhat popular, but that's not to say Sakurai wouldn't change his mind over the franchise representation or Krystal's inclusion for that matter, with that said she indeed has a chance. ★

Like I said, Sakurai doesn't see things the way we things, I'm sure. We see things like "overrepresentation" which he may not even see. I don't see Falco or Wolf being cut, but that doesn't change anything. She's still popular, the best SF choice ect. You guys look at characters in the light that it's SSBCongress, when that's not how it is. People like Kuma and Star stress this idea at looking at a character as an individual, not as a collective group for a reason.

 

[OmegaXXII]

IF Krystal makes it, the rage against her will be subsided when the fanboys see how interesting her playstyle is. Didn't take long for ROB, and Krystal is more deserving than that piece of **** robot anyways, IMHO.

Oh my!!

I seriously laughed at this, more specifically your hatred towards R.O.B.!

I might sig this! ★

@Shorty: Yes I see your point, considering the fact that Sakurai will probably indeed look at lesser character due to the "lack" of newer Nintendo franchises I can see her happening, like I said she does have a chance, I never said she was never going to happen, just somewhat unlikely, but then again I'm not Sakurai to be saying such a thing.★*

 

[Chris the Ripper]

Omega,You're post count means you should get out more.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I do!

Goku ain't never getting in derp.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

I do!

Goku ain't never getting in derp.

Don't count out Goku just yet,there still is time.FYI,My Little Ponies not getting in

On Topic:How will this SSB storymode play out?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Don't count out Goku just yet,there still is time.FYI,My Little Ponies not getting in

On Topic:How will this SSB storymode play out?

Spoiler

Actually MLP stands a better chance since it isn't anime based, ha!!

As for stage concepts? I'm still waiting on a city based stage from Star.

I would however like to see a stage utitilizing the Wii-U's camera and screen for playing on a stage, it would add layers of fun and startegy as well.

 

[Starphoenix]

Oh you people and your silly belief that somehow Megaman's chances have diminished. His chances are much the same as they ever were.

 

[Opelucid]

Don't count out Goku just yet,there still is time.FYI,My Little Ponies not getting in

On Topic:How will this SSB storymode play out?

I'd imagine it would sort of be a sequel to SSE, however instead of traveling through levels like Lake you'd actually travel through worlds that are actually in the games like for example in Pokemon Dragon Spiral Tower... or something like that.

Oh you people and your silly belief that somehow Megaman's chances have diminished. His chances are much the same as they ever were.

Why would his chances be diminished? Because Legends 3 was canceled? Even if the game was canceled he's still extremely popular I still think he's getting in.

 

[Napos]

Snorlax ftw people, it would be awesome.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Oh you people and your silly belief that somehow Megaman's chances have diminished. His chances are much the same as they ever were.

How so?

If you can prove that Capcom isn't ignoring Megaman and is just pulling out some kind of publicity stunt then I'll buy.

Until then, I don't think so, regardless if he is the most probable and popular from Capcom, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Capcom backstabbed everybody and decided to go with Ryu or some other rep, I have nothing against Megaman, but I'm simply not going to be optimistic about his inclusion for that matter.

 

[Deleted member]

@Starphoenix: I like the Gaur Plain music. I'll go back to your stage concept and listen to music suggestions you made there and give my thoughts on it.

Really hoping Operation Rainfall gets Xenoblade and The Last Story out here. I will be getting one of these games for sure to show my support (Likely the latter since I REALLY want The Last Story). What I would also do is consider supporting a Xenoblade/The Last Story rep for Smash.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

Spoiler

Actually MLP stands a better chance since it isn't anime based, ha!!

As for stage concepts? I'm still waiting on a city based stage from Star.

I would however like to see a stage utitilizing the Wii-U's camera and screen for playing on a stage, it would add layers of fun and startegy as well.

Didn't read hidden messsge,lol

Sure,Sakurai will put some characters based on ponies that target little girl viewers. lol@You finding a way MLP would get in

On topic:I'm going to keep routing for Master Hand's Master Plan for a name for one of the parts for SSB4's story mode(FYI,It may not be called SSE or anything related to SS. )

 

[Opelucid]

@Starphoenix: I like the Gaur Plain music. I'll go back to your stage concept and listen to music suggestions you made there and give my thoughts on it.

Really hoping Operation Rainfall gets Xenoblade and The Last Story out here. I will be getting one of these games for sure to show my support (Likely the latter since I REALLY want The Last Story). What I would also do is consider supporting a Xenoblade/The Last Story rep for Smash.

What is Xenoblade/ The Last Story?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Here it is

 

[Deleted member]

What is Xenoblade/ The Last Story?

Two highly anticipated games that Nintendo of America shot down for no reasons. They were highly received back in japan and Xenoblade is getting released in Europe. Very much hoping that the rumor is true. Read about Operation Rainfall for why people want these games. Let's just hope it doesn't turn out to be like Mother 3.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Opelucid: Check it out!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoblade_Chronicles

I can't wait for this as well!! ^_^

 

[Artsy Omni]

Like I said, Sakurai doesn't see things the way we things, I'm sure. We see things like "overrepresentation" which he may not even see. I don't see Falco or Wolf being cut, but that doesn't change anything. She's still popular, the best SF choice ect. You guys look at characters in the light that it's SSBCongress, when that's not how it is. People like Kuma and Star stress this idea at looking at a character as an individual, not as a collective group for a reason.

Here's how I see it. "Overrepresentation" is not when one franchise has a higher number than another franchise. Because each franchise has a different scope or scale. Some franchises only have 1 important character, while other franchises have 50 (exaggeration of course).

A franchise is "overrepresenting" itself when you start including characters from that franchise that are less important to Nintendo as a whole, while other franchises have yet to include some of their key characters. It has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with importance.


This is why I stress character importance so much. It's not relevant whether or not a character is as important in his own respective franchise. Because if you simply take the most important characters to Nintendo as a whole, it will of course be the most important characters from each franchise as a result.

Because some franchises are bigger than others, they simply claim a larger percentage of the characters that are important to Nintendo as a whole. Which naturally leads to that franchise having more characters in Smash.

Should a kirby character who is less important to Nintendo be included over a Mario character who is more important to Nintendo simply because Mario already has 7 reps? No. The amount of characters per franchise in Smash should be proportional to the amount of characters important to Nintendo as a whole per franchise. Because of this, franchises like Mario WILL have more characters. It's just the way it has to work if each character is going to be relevant to Nintendo.

Using the most important characters in each franchise will happen naturally as a result of using the characters that are most relevant to Nintendo.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

Here it is

lol@You not checking my profile picture.
Fail meme,fail pic,and fail troll.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Also check out this concerning Operation Rainfall!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rainfall

 

[JavaCroc]

I've outlined some general wants I have for the UI pages back, but I don't have anything super specific in mind.

I just think there's a huge discrepancy between the theme and concept of Smash and the menus. Smash is a very exciting, action-packed game, and I don't feel like the menus communicate that by any means.

The menu ought to be easy to read quickly, and fast to navigate, but I think it would be really nice for the menu to have more movement and dynamism.

I dunno how many of you have played de Blob, but I thought the feel of it really matched the game, and I think Smash should take a cue from that game. Obviously, it shouldn't be just like de Blob's menu, but that level of personality and movement would be really nice to have. As long as it's relevant to the feel of Smash Bros.

Example of de Blob's menu

I'll look forward to that blog post.

Good example with de Blob's menu; I've played the game myself and the menu definitely oozes the same feeling the game gives. It makes you think of paint - which is exactly what the game is about.

I just don't let fanboys bother me. Sonic fanboys are the worst, but I still like Sonic as a character, and I think his games are decent fun... at least recently.

Just imagine Mario with a subtle texture on his shirt and overalls, with wrinkles in his sleeves where his elbow joint is. His hair can remain clumped, but the separations of the hairs could become apparent when light is reflected. The shoes would look like typical leather work boots. The gold clasps would look like a real metal.

It would all be very subtle, mind you. The real trick would be how everything is lit. Lighting brings a level of fidelity that textures couldn't dream of bringing.

Here's a picture I cropped that highlights some of the textural elements that I'm talking about:

This would be an ideal way to handle the graphical designs of each character. It doesn't distract the player with the look of the character, but does show off the Wii U's graphical ability and, under the right lighting, the impressiveness of each character model.

Well, with classes coming up I'm not sure how many more of these I will do? Hopefully there will still be one every now and then. Who knows, maybe it will become like a luxury then?

For now I won't worry about such things and will just deliver my concept. So if you are ready we will begin once again.

**Gaur Plains**

-Tracks-
Xenoblade Chronicles - Gaur Plains
Xenoblade Chronicles - Fight!
Xenoblade Chronicles - Mechanical Rythym
Xenoblade Chronicles - One Who Gets in Our Way
Xenoblade Chronicles - Those Who Bear Their Name
Xenoblade Chronicles - Beyond the Sky (Ending Theme)
The Last Story - The One Ruling Everything (Last Battle)
The Last Story - Invitation To Madness
The Last Story - The Flying One (Kanan's Theme)
The Last Story - Dance of Death
Pandora's Tower - Boss Music
Find Mii - Ultimate Ghost

I know some of the music posted has been associated with other stages, but there really is no way to avoid that here. Since I feel a Xenoblade stage is the more likey of the "Operation: Rainfall" trifecta. None the less this would be a great way of incorporating many RPG elements into one stage. Hope you all enjoy!

Love that stage, StarPhoenix. The landscape from just those images before I even read the description got me hooked. A Xenoblade Chronicles or Last Story stage would be a great stage for SSB4, as either would represent the power of fans to win over Nintendo - if either game makes it to the U.S. coast. Otherwise, I'd find it a slap in the face to include a stage from a game that everyone wanted here, but couldn't get.

BTW, the Guar Plains theme is awesome. Better be in Smash Bros., no matter if Xenoblade has a stage or trophies or any other representation.

What would be intesresting though is if we saw some kind of cutscene when a new character approaches for the first time when it comes to unlocking, I feel it should feel like a big epic battle that feels deserving to win rather than 'just' another battle, it definetly would make unlocking characters more fun and interesting to say the least.

I asked people if they wanted this a couple pages back from this post, but of course no one noticed.

I think it'd be a cool idea to show a cutscene of the characters appearing and about to fight you. SSBFan, the only person who noticed and responded, is against it, but I think it'd help build hype in the player that they're about to fight this particular hidden character.

ppl want me to add

I am missing
Doshin the Giant
Alex Roivas (Eternal Darkness)
Ray (Disaster: Day of Crisis)
John Raimi (Geist)
Diskun
or even
human (animal crossing)

is it worth restarting the poll again to add them?

http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=NMELMO_520de7a5

For one suggestion, add Deoxys to the poll. He's a somewhat popular and unique choice for Pokemon.

Armadillo Cowboy. Does it get any better?!

One of the reasons I support Jiro, although there's also logical reasons as to why I support him.

... you don't have any clue as to how Sakurai feels about StarFox..

And what exactly does Sakurai feel about the Star Fox franchise?

 

[Opelucid]

Two highly anticipated games that Nintendo of America shot down for no reasons. They were highly received back in japan and Xenoblade is getting released in Europe. Very much hoping that the rumor is true. Read about Operation Rainfall for why people want these games. Let's just hope it doesn't turn out to be like Mother 3.

@Opelucid: Check it out!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoblade_Chronicles

I can't wait for this as well!! ^_^

Ahh, I see that looks pretty cool who would be a good rep for the Last Story this guy?

 

[Artsy Omni]

Last story isn't getting a rep.

I'll just be blunt.

 

[OmegaXXII]

One can dream right!?

 

[---]

How so?

If you can prove that Capcom isn't ignoring Megaman and is just pulling out some kind of publicity stunt then I'll buy.

Until then, I don't think so, even if he is the most probable and popular from Capcom, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Capcom backstabbed everybody and decided to go with Ryu or some other rep, I have nothing against Megaman, but I'm simply not going to be optimistic about his inclusion for that matter.

While the fanboy in me is wanting to flame this for some reason but I won't stoop that low.

Anyway, I think we talked about this last night and came to the basic conclusion that is was unforseen events that added to the cancelations.

Due to the Japanese market falling and the Earthquake, Capcom didn't want to take the risk of another game that only sells average, and based on the findings they and other gaming sites found was that it was really only the MM fanboys who really wanted to play MML3, which is proven by the failure of the 100,000 strong movement. Not to mention the lack of 3DS sales also added to their decision.

In addtion, Capcom already stated that it was for these reasons they cancelled the MvC3 DLC and went to UMvC3. They also stated that they still will continue to support the MM series, and with his 25th anniversery coming next year, chances are MM is going to see a lot more games in the future.

As for MM not being in MvC3, that's the directors fault, who has stated that he didn't think MM would work for the game he was making. Although, MM being a veteran, I must say was a dumb move.

 

[Starphoenix]

As for stage concepts? I'm still waiting on a city based stage from Star.

It is coming. I just got off work so give me time to write it up. I will say, a certain user will be very pleased with it. Hoo is the question? Hmm... Even more puzzling...

How so?

If you can prove that Capcom isn't ignoring Megaman and is just pulling out some kind of publicity stunt then I'll buy.

Until then, I don't think so, regardless if he is the most probable and popular from Capcom, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Capcom backstabbed everybody and decided to go with Ryu or some other rep, I have nothing against Megaman, but I'm simply not going to be optimistic about his inclusion for that matter.

Megaman Legends 3 was cancelled because of economic climate. The Japanese gaming industry is in shambles, their economy is hurting badly, the 3DS itself is underperforming and the community was too small to warrant it being greenlit. Point is there were more variables than just Capcom hating on him.

His non-appearance in MvC has little to do with Capcom and more to do with Nitsuma. Lately he has made it obvious clear that Megaman X is being used as a bargaining chip to get people to buy UMvC and purchase more DLC or another title altogether. People joked that they were staving him off so that they could milk customers. The sad truth is is that appears to be exactly what they are doing... It just happened during the wrong time.

@Starphoenix: I like the Gaur Plain music. I'll go back to your stage concept and listen to music suggestions you made there and give my thoughts on it.

Really hoping Operation Rainfall gets Xenoblade and The Last Story out here. I will be getting one of these games for sure to show my support (Likely the latter since I REALLY want The Last Story). What I would also do is consider supporting a Xenoblade/The Last Story rep for Smash.

Please do, those tracks are incredible. You won't be disappointed.

Oh and the US is getting Xenoblade and The Last Story from what I hear.

 

[OmegaXXII]

lol@You not checking my profile picture.
Fail meme,fail pic,and fail troll.

OMG! How dare you you trollin child! That was my avi!!

Why do you want to be like Xiivi?

@Opelucid: Check the other link I posted as well concerning Operation Rainfall.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh and the US is getting Xenoblade and The Last Story from what I hear.

I'm just waiting for confirmation. Right now, all I've seen are rumors. Would be awesome if you're right, though.

 

[JavaCroc]

@Starphoenix: I like the Gaur Plain music. I'll go back to your stage concept and listen to music suggestions you made there and give my thoughts on it.

Really hoping Operation Rainfall gets Xenoblade and The Last Story out here. I will be getting one of these games for sure to show my support (Likely the latter since I REALLY want The Last Story). What I would also do is consider supporting a Xenoblade/The Last Story rep for Smash.

I'm not sure if either game is deserving enough for a rep, but I absolutely think either one should get a stage and Assist Trophy, or at the very least music and trophy/sticker representation.

Let's just hope it doesn't turn out to be like Mother 3.

This. I would so own Mother 3 right now if it weren't for the fact that NoA seems to refuse to consider releasing the game here.

 

[Artsy Omni]

If Xenoblade and The Last Story are going to get localized, it's because Nintendo planned on it the entire time, or were at least considering it. Operation Rainfall didn't change Nintendo's mind. It just confirmed their suspicions or helped them come to a final decision.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

I'll look forward to that blog post.

Good example with de Blob's menu; I've played the game myself and the menu definitely oozes the same feeling the game gives. It makes you think of paint - which is exactly what the game is about.


This would be an ideal way to handle the graphical designs of each character. It doesn't distract the player with the look of the character, but does show off the Wii U's graphical ability and, under the right lighting, the impressiveness of each character model.


Love that stage, StarPhoenix. The landscape from just those images before I even read the description got me hooked. A Xenoblade Chronicles or Last Story stage would be a great stage for SSB4, as either would represent the power of fans to win over Nintendo - if either game makes it to the U.S. coast. Otherwise, I'd find it a slap in the face to include a stage from a game that everyone wanted here, but couldn't get.

BTW, the Guar Plains theme is awesome. Better be in Smash Bros., no matter if Xenoblade has a stage or trophies or any other representation.


I asked people if they wanted this a couple pages back from this post, but of course no one noticed.

I think it'd be a cool idea to show a cutscene of the characters appearing and about to fight you. SSBFan, the only person who noticed and responded, is against it, but I think it'd help build hype in the player that they're about to fight this particular hidden character.


For one suggestion, add Deoxys to the poll. He's a somewhat popular and unique choice for Pokemon.


One of the reasons I support Jiro, although there's also logical reasons as to why I support him.


And what exactly does Sakurai feel about the Star Fox franchise?

Not one bit....

 

[Starphoenix]

I agree Hex, Xenoblade is already on it's way to being the next "Earthbound".

Will be working on my concept soon, just let me shower and start writing and searching.

 

[OmegaXXII]

yay! Can't wait! ^_^

 

[Artsy Omni]

I agree Hex, Xenoblad is already on it's way to being the next "Earthbound".

And don't get me wrong. I don't think Operation Rainfall was a failure or pointless. It was important, because in the event that a developer is on the fence about making a decision, fans that are united and vocal can be the difference between a yes or no.

Movements like O:R and O:M are important because a united fanbase can make a difference, whereas a fragmented fanbase leaves the developers to have to take gambles. A developer cannot understand its audience unless it is united.

 

[OmegaXXII]

If Xenoblade and The Last Story are going to get localized, it's because Nintendo planned on it the entire time, or were at least considering it. Operation Rainfall didn't change Nintendo's mind. It just confirmed their suspicions or helped them come to a final decision.

What are you saying? that Operation Rainfall is a complete waste of time that is meaningless?? Yea tell that to the supporters.

 

[Artsy Omni]

What are you saying? that Operation Rainfall is a complete waste of time that is meaningless?? Yea tell that to the supporters.

See above post. In fact, I am one of the supporters. =P I am pro movements like O:R. I just don't think they should give themselves all the credit for the decision to localize, and that they need to recognize that movements like that should only ever go so far.

 

[Deleted member]

Movements like O:R and O:M are important because a united fanbase can make a difference, whereas a fragmented fanbase leaves the developers to have to take gambles. A developer cannot understand its audience unless it is united.

That's why PCAM will be important to many potential candidates for SSB4. It unites the fans of these characters inclusion and have them join force to get these characters in. If everything pans out, this may very well be the very first successful alliance.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Hex: It at least influences Nintendo or any company for that matter to make a decision and go through with it, rather than gambling and taking a chance like you stated.

 

[JavaCroc]

I decided to bring up a possible character for SSB4, since everyone likes to talk about characters.

Lolo​

Lolo is commonly thought to be a Kirby character, and therefore would fall under the Kirby banner. However, Lolo orginally was a separate character unaffiliated with Kirby. He actually had his own puzzle game franchise: Eggerland.

Eggerland (series) - Wikipedia

The franchise is now defunct, but he as well as his female counterpart now appear in the Kirby games.

The titles in his franchise were developed by HAL Labratory Inc. - a partner of Sakurai, I believe.

So what do you think about this character? Is he a good retro representative for his own Eggerland franchise, or should he be lopped in as a Kirby character? Nevertheless, do you think he has a chance and is deserving or not?

 

[Shorts]

And what exactly does Sakurai feel about the Star Fox franchise?

I don't know, but I don't pretend like he sees things the way we do. Overrepresentation is all fan based as far as I know.

Movements like O:R and O:M are important because a united fanbase can make a difference, whereas a fragmented fanbase leaves the developers to have to take gambles. A developer cannot understand its audience unless it is united.

Finally. Someone else who knows about Operation Moonfall. I'm actually excited to see if fans can truely get a game created. I recall someone saying something along the lines of "If the fans want a MM3D, then they have to show us" or something similar to that.