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Hmm... The way I see it would be like this:

Jessie & James are a duo trainers who have always been iconic in the series and are always stalking Ash, these Pokemon choices would probably apply to them:

~Meowth
~Arbok
~Koffing

As for Giovanni:

~Mewtwo
~Persian
~Deoxys/Nidoking


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Koffing? Impossible! Well, he/she does not have legs, that much difficult work of Sakurai!

My list is:

Lickitung
Arbok
Victreebel

Alternative list:

Cacnea
Carnivine
Serviper

Take a look at my Moveset:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13129503&postcount=20549

To giovanni I think it would be like this:

Mewtwo
Persian
Nidoking / Machamp / Golen
 

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The titles in his franchise were developed by HAL Labratory Inc. - a partner of Sakurai, I believe.
Sakurai used to work for HAL Lab, and he created Kirby, who is HAL Lab property, even to this day. So it makes sense that they would repurpose a character as a Kirby character.

Either way, he doesn't have a good chance. Considered as a lesser Kirby character, or the most important character of a lesser franchise, his chances aren't great. I won't say his chances are 0, because Ice Climbers was a forgotten game, so you never know. Maybe Sakurai is that in love with himself.
 

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Koffing? Impossible! Well, he/she does not have legs, that much difficult work of Sakurai!

My list is:

Lickitung
Arbok
Victreebel

Alternative list:

Cacnea
Carnivine
Serviper

Take a look at my Moveset:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13129503&postcount=20549

To giovanni I think it would be like this:

Mewtwo
Persian
Nidoking / Machamp / Golen
Those are pretty good choices there, nicely done. :)

Do you see N as possible if Giovanni were not to make it? What Pokemin would N most likely use? I hear he uses legendary Pokemon, I may be wrong though.
 

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I don't know, but I don't pretend like he sees things the way we do. Overrepresentation is all fan based as far as I know.



Finally. Someone else who knows about Operation Moonfall. I'm actually excited to see if fans can truely get a game created. I recall someone saying something along the lines of "If the fans want a MM3D, then they have to show us" or something similar to that.
I regularly post on the Zelda Board at IGN, so you can bet I know anything and everything there is to know relating to Zelda. XP

I don't think it's the fan's place to demand a game to be made. It's only up to the fans to make it clear what their desires are, and Nintendo can act accordingly. Demanding a game to be made is going too far, and I only support O:M because Aonuma, director of Zelda's branch of EAD, already stated an interest in making MM3D, as long as there's demand for it. So O:M should exist solely to show that there is demand.

For instance, if there was a fan movement demanding a Mother 4 be made, I wouldn't support it. Because that would be fans working against the developers, and not with them.
 

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I regularly post on the Zelda Board at IGN, so you can bet I know anything and everything there is to know relating to Zelda. XP
I'm not a mega Zelda fan or anything, but my little brother is so I know a decent amount about the franchise. He really like Majora's Mask so I try to spread news about it whenever I feel the time is right. It's definitely one of the more interesting Zelda games I've watched being played. I would be willing to say it's the most unique one so far. The mask concept, the way the time works, all of it is just really cool. Complicated, but cool. I'm a pretty big fan of Skull Kid too. He would have been cool in Melee :3

I didn't mean demand, in that context by the way. I just meant it's something fans want.
 
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I decided to bring up a possible character for SSB4, since everyone likes to talk about characters.


Lolo

Lolo is commonly thought to be a Kirby character, and therefore would fall under the Kirby banner. However, Lolo orginally was a separate character unaffiliated with Kirby. He actually had his own puzzle game franchise: Eggerland.

Eggerland (series) - Wikipedia

The franchise is now defunct, but he as well as his female counterpart now appear in the Kirby games.

The titles in his franchise were developed by HAL Labratory Inc. - a partner of Sakurai, I believe.

So what do you think about this character? Is he a good retro representative for his own Eggerland franchise, or should he be lopped in as a Kirby character? Nevertheless, do you think he has a chance and is deserving or not?
For some weird reason, I've always wanted to see Lolo(lo) and Lala(la) as playable characters in Smash. They just seem like characters that would work out and a team that Sakurai would get creative with. Sadly, his chances are almost non-existence due to the fact I have seen absolutely no requests for his inclusion.

I think they should be under their own banner, but that's just me. Also, I think the team would be better like a duo (Lolo and Lala).
 

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I don't think it's the fan's place to demand a game to be made. It's only up to the fans to make it clear what their desires are, and Nintendo can act accordingly. Demanding a game to be made is going too far, and I only support O:M because Aonuma, director of Zelda's branch of EAD, already stated an interest in making MM3D, as long as there's demand for it. So O:M should exist solely to show that there is demand.

For instance, if there was a fan movement demanding a Mother 4 be made, I wouldn't support it. Because that would be fans working against the developers, and not with them.
I highly agree with this, this should be taken into account by any supporter supporting anything and are expecting to be successful at the end, as suggested any news regarding a developers interest over a said game would definetly give a petition some purpose, otherwise as you stated , it would be meaningless and futile if a said developer isn't interested or even planning in making a requested or demanded game.
 

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Those are pretty good choices there, nicely done. :)

Do you see N as possible if Giovanni were not to make it? What Pokemin would N most likely use? I hear he uses legendary Pokemon, I may be wrong though.
Vich! He uses those giants that no one sees!:)

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Almost as rare as Mew! would be an injustice! He also uses Zoroark!

My bet is on it:

Purrloin
Sandile
Timburr/ Zoroark
 

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I don't know, but I don't pretend like he sees things the way we do. Overrepresentation is all fan based as far as I know.
It probably is. Sakurai will definitely consider Krystal for SSB4; he's said before one of the big factors that determines character inclusion is if they can bring something new to the table. Krsytal's staff-based moveset could definitely be unique.

However, TBH, I find character prediction generally boring, so I generally look at characters not from a "likelihood" point of view, but a "merit" point of view. For that reason, I don't really support Krystal in SSB4, no matter if she's likely or would have a unique moveset, because Star Fox should not have four reps.

Sakurai used to work for HAL Lab, and he created Kirby, who is HAL Lab property, even to this day. So it makes sense that they would repurpose a character as a Kirby character.

Either way, he doesn't have a good chance. Considered as a lesser Kirby character, or the most important character of a lesser franchise, his chances aren't great. I won't say his chances are 0, because Ice Climbers was a forgotten game, so you never know. Maybe Sakurai is that in love with himself.
I don't see Lolo's chances as good either, but I'm sure Sakurai, given Lolo's appearance in the Kriby series and his personal connection to HAL, has considered him at some points. He'd be an interesting WTF retro franchise rep (or a fourth Kirby rep if you look at it that way).
 

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It probably is. Sakurai will definitely consider Krystal for SSB4; he's said before one of the big factors that determines character inclusion is if they can bring something new to the table. Krsytal's staff-based moveset could definitely be unique.

However, TBH, I find character prediction generally boring, so I generally look at characters not from a "likelihood" point of view, but a "merit" point of view. For that reason, I don't really support Krystal in SSB4, no matter if she's likely or would have a unique moveset, because Star Fox should not have four reps.
Merit based, she blows Wolf and Falco out the water. That being said, it doesn't matter much considering they're already in despite her merits being equal or higher than theirs. Thankfully Sakurai seems to look at characters on a singular level, and not a collective level.
 

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Vich! He uses those giants that no one sees!:)

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Almost as rare as Mew! would be an injustice! He also uses Zoroark!

My bet is on it:

Purrloin
Sandile
Timburr/ Zoroark

Whoa!, That is pretty cool, nice choices there, he would definetly make another great antagonist in case Team Rocket or Giovanni didn't make it.

Lol..at you including Zoroark in a moveset.★
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Either Waluigi are Daisy or getting in because someone needs to represent mario sport games.
 

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Mew is one of the rarest Pokemon, and Zekrom is available to everyone. . . not on the same level, but I'm being nitpicky.
 

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Either Waluigi are Daisy or getting in because someone needs to represent mario sport games.

NOPE!!! They are just spin-offs, maybe Waluigi but he isn't deserving enough, doesn't have a prominent role, has bigger competion such as Bowser Jr., Toad and Paper Mario, and has only appeared in Spin-off games, no mainstream canon ones.

He would probably be a great WTF!! character but again he isn't derserving enough.

Besides, he is an abomination of the Mario series, he looks like a troll with a big *** nose, whining and complaining all the time.
 

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Either Waluigi are Daisy or getting in because someone needs to represent mario sport games.
We do not need representatives of mario sports! We need representatives from mario!

Daisy is not mario sports, she is the eventual replacement of Peach! For now, until new games appear, it does not have a moveset potentcial! Daisy in my opinion will not be Sm4sh!

Waluigi already possesses a moveset potential, and he appears in Brawl! He realy has chances!

But Toad is undoubtedly the Top! although I prefer Waluigi!
 

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NOPE!!! They are just spin-offs, maybe Waluigi but he isn't deserving enough, doesn't have a prominent role, has bigger competion such as Bowser Jr., Toad and Paper Mario, and has only appeared in Spin-off games, no mainstream canon ones.

He would probably be a great WTF!! character but again he isn't derserving enough.

Besides, he is an abomination of the Mario series, he looks like a troll with a big *** nose, whining and complaining all the time.
Why would waluigi have a bigger chance than daisy? Daisy was invented first, looks better, and it's easy to make her a moveset.

And mario series did not get any new characters in brawl, so it's getting 2 spots in 4.
 

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So I promised you guys a special stage concept, and I will deliver. Because I am about to do another guest stage! Joining Zenithia and Robot Museum will be another stage from a popular series. Just for the record, I only do guest stages for series I am sure have legitimate chances. So don't expect anything crazy.

I do have another surprise in store, but I wll save that one for the end. Which, as a matter of fact, reminds me of a puzzle...













London! Or at least Professor Layton's interpretation of it. This stage would house much of the Londonian charm we have come to expect through out the Layton series. And you could also expect your common Londonian flair, double stacker busses, old style automobiles, lampstands, and old European architecture. Within the sepia'd world of Professor Layton.

Behind you will be the many buildings and houses in London. There will be a giant clock behind you, reflecting the time as currently set by the Wii U/3DS's internal clock. You will see a museum behind you along with streets and alley ways. Lamposts will be lightt up as the stage turns to dusk and night.

The battlefield will be in a large town square, with streets adjacent to the sidewalks. Window panes will act as platforms allowing the characters to fight above the square and streets. The battlefield will be in a large town square, with streets adjacent to the sidewalks. Window boxes will act as platforms allowing the characters to fight above the square and streets. Double decker busses will also act as additional platforms. Which will lead you to the roof where you can battle atop the houses. It will be a rougher terrain as you hop from rooftop to rooftop. To the very left of the rooftops will be a bright red chimney, puffing out smoke as the citizens of the house warm themselves. Adding the rooftop delivers an interesting dynamic to this stage as you will have 2 full layers to fight on. True gentleman will fight on the ground however... Double decker busses will act as additional platforms. True gentleman will fight on the ground however.

It is a simple stage, but one capturing the wondrous feel of London!

Stage Example:

.....-
.....|
.....^^__^-^
.....:---:...:---:
.....:--::--::--:
__=_______=__

*"=" represent the streets and where the double decker busses park
**":--:" represents windows

Larger:
____...____...____

_____........._____


___==_____==___

Rooftop

___
[---]
[---]
[---]...___..........__...................__/-----\
____/.....\____/.....\_________/...........\

Altogether:

Here is a visual exaple of the newly added "rooftop".

London:

___
[---]
[---]......................................./..\
[---]...___.........___.............../-----\
____/.....\____/.....\_______/........\

______...._____....______

......._____........._____

_____==_______==_____

Stage Name - London
Stage Icon - Top Hat

-Tracks-
Professor Layton & the Unwound Future - London
Professor Layton & the Unwound Future - Memories
Professor Layton & the Curious Village - Professor Layton Theme (Orchestra)
Professor Layton & the Curious Village - Don Paulo
Professor Layton & the Specter's Flute - Main Theme
Professor Layton & the Specter's Flute - Descole's Theme
Professor Layton & the Diabolical Box - Molentary Express
Professor Layton & the Diabolical Box - Puzzle
Professor Laton & the Mask of Miracle - Mask of Miracle
Professor Layton & the Mask of Miracle - Mysterious Flower (Ending)
Professor Layton & the Eternal Diva - The Eternal Diva
Professor Layton's London Life - Tiny London (Night)

Now I'm not sure if the stage would or could actually be titled "London" or not? Can't see a reason it wouldn't, but you never know sometimes... Anyways, I have one last surprise announcement, and that is I will be doing another stage concept tonight! That's right it is a two for one deal. But I'll let you all digest this one before I move onto part two (plus I need to eat,,.)
 

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Why would waluigi have a bigger chance than daisy? Daisy was invented first, looks better, and it's easy to make her a moveset.

And mario series did not get any new characters in brawl, so it's getting 2 spots in 4.
Doesn't matter, the fact that Daisy got "created" first is invalid, just because a character got created before and is older than another doesn't mean that a character is more deserving, popularaty plays a factor as well, if nobody likes the older character, why should Sakurai or Nintendo even bother if the fans don't show any interest.

Also Sports is a "spin-off" I highly doubt just because it's a Mario game that we'll necessarly see characters regarding that game.

By your logic, then every Mario game should get a rep, as well as Metroid, every Pokemon, Zelda, Starfox etc.. etc...

Not happening.
 

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So I promised you guys a special stage concept, and I will deliver. Because I am about to do another guest stage! Joining Zenithia and Robot Museum will be another stage from a popular series. Just for the record, I only do guest stages for series I am sure have legitimate chances. So don't expect anything crazy.

I do have another surprise in store, but I wll save that one for the end. Which, as a matter of fact, reminds me of a puzzle...

**London (Professor Layton series)**

-Tracks-
Professor Layton & the Unwound Future - London
Professor Layton & the Unwound Future - Memories
Professor Layton & the Curious Village - Professor Layton Theme (Orchestra)
Professor Layton & the Curious Village - Don Paulo
Professor Layton & the Specter's Flute - Main Theme
Professor Layton & the Specter's Flute - Descole's Theme
Professor Layton & the Diabolical Box - Molentary Express
Professor Layton & the Diabolical Box - Puzzle
Professor Laton & the Mask of Miracle - Mask of Miracle
Professor Layton & the Mask of Miracle - Mysterious Flower (Ending)
Professor Layton & the Eternal Diva - The Eternal Diva
Professor Layton's London Life - Tiny London (Night)

Now I'm not sure if the stage would or could actually be titled "London" or not? Can't see a reason it wouldn't, but you never know sometimes... Anyways, I have one last surprise announcement, and that is I will be doing another stage concept tonight! That's right it is a two for one deal. But I'll let you all digest this one before I move onto part two (plus I need to eat,,.)
I bet Hoots will like this. :p

Nice, simple stage fitting for a gentleman like Layton. Good job again, StarPhoenix.
 

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So, do the busses leave? I think it would be cool to be able to be Koed by staying on the bus too long and having an inverted death. The first one in smash history :D
 

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Doesn't matter, the fact that Daisy got "created" first is invalid, just because a character got created before and is older than another doesn't mean that a character is deserving enough, popularaty plays a factor as well, if nobody likes the older character, why should Sakurai or Nintendo even bother if the fans don't show any interest.

Also Sports is a "spin-off" I highly doubt just because it's a Mario game that we'll necessarly see characters regarding that game.

By your logic, then every Mario game should get a rep, as well as Metroid, every Pokemon, Zelda, Starfox etc.. etc...

Not happening.
We all know daisy is more popular than waluigi. 50% of mkw pro's main daisy.
 

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@Star: That stage concept is just what I was looking for, nice crowded London Street would be fun to play in, I'm guessing the stage hazards would be the vehicles am I right?

Nice music btw...
 

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Why would waluigi have a bigger chance than daisy? Daisy was invented first, looks better, and it's easy to make her a moveset.

And mario series did not get any new characters in brawl, so it's getting 2 spots in 4.
Daisy will probably have a moveset similar to Peach! We do not need another clone!

My Waluigi moveset: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13074950&postcount=16968

@ Omega: Daisy is not exclusive character of Spin-off, as Mario had to save her!:)

Oh, this is my argument against spin-off argument!

The fact that Waluigi is a character exclusive spin-off does not influence anything in their probability, we have stages of Mario Kart and WarioWare Inc. who are series Spin-off, and moreover, despite the hatred of the fans on the poor Waluigi, it fits perfectly the profile of fighter smash, and so far he only appeared in Spin-off games, where Mario is the center. Smash Brothers is a spin-off game, and Mario is in the center!
 

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@Star: That stage concept is just what I was looking for, nice crowded London Street would be fun to play in, I'm guessing the stage hazards would be the vehicles am I right?

Nice music btw...
I think he actually intended no stage hazards on this stage. Not every stage needs something that can hurt you. ;)
 

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I think he actually intended no stage hazards on this stage. Not every stage needs something that can hurt you. ;)

Hmm.. I reread that5 and according to the description it would be played on top of buildings and such? up in the air I guess.
 

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@Star

While I'm against Layton, I must say that you did a great job with his stage. ;)
 

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Hmm.. I reread that5 and according to the description it would be played on top of buildings and such? up in the air I guess.
Actually what it is is you fight on like a miniature square. To the left and right are streets where double decker bus' will come to park. Window panes will act as the platforms of the stage, giving you a way to fight above the streets.

____...____...____

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Don't forget guys, I have a second one coming. ;)
 

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Why do we need daisy made into a new character? She's already a color swap of Peach. Why not just make her a full on costume change?

On another note why do we need more Mario characters? How about have some room for new franchises like Punch-Out, Golden Sun, and Sin & Punishment? What about series that are severly lacking Reps like Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Earthbound?

Don't say because they're not popular because when Ness, Captain Falcon, and Samus came into Smash64 they hadn't had a game since the SNES.
 

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Actually what it is is you fight on like a miniature square. To the left and right are streets where double decker bus' will come to park. Window panes will act as the platforms of the stage, giving you a way to fight above the streets.

____...____...____

_____........._____


___==_____==___

Don't forget guys, I have a second one coming. ;)
Hmm... I see, that would make for some interesting battles I see the layout there, nice. ★

Also can't wait for the second part.
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On another note why do we need more Mario characters? How about have some room for new franchises like Punch-Out, Golden Sun, and Sin & Punishment? What about series that are severly lacking Reps like Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Earthbound?

Don't say because they're not popular because when Ness, Captain Falcon, and Samus came into Smash64 they hadn't had a game since the SNES.
Most rosters that have been suggested have room for both old and new franchises; in fact most newcomers on those rosters have been from new franchises such as Punch Out, Sin & Punishment, Starfy, Custom Robo, Retro and 3rd party characters.

As for F-Zero and Earthbound, they're on halt/dead and have no need for new reps outside of what they have. Although it does not mean no one here is against them getting new reps.
 

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@Starphoenix: Listening to the sound tracks, it is great and makes me want the games even more.

This one really stood out to me.

Hmm.. seems like you also have a great sense of music taste, i'm surprised you're in RPG's and such seeing you're a big Megaman fan and all, i'm also really looking forward to getting both XenoBlade and The Last story,m perhaps even Pandora's Box as well.
 

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It's very funny how people think paper mario is more likely to get in than daisy. And if mario series is only getting 1 spot, then it will only be toad.
 

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It's very funny how people think paper mario is more likely to get in than daisy.
That is funny. I mean Daisy is already in as a costume for Peach, and therefore has already beaten Paper Mario. lol
 

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It's funny how people are so confident that Paper Mario or Daisy is more likely than either or.
 

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@Starphoenix: Listening to the sound tracks, it is great and makes me want the games even more.

This one really stood out to me.
Love that song. It's like fighting Super Macho Man in an RPG. Reminds me of this other RPG theme.

Breath of Fire 4 - A Man

So raaaaaadical. :cool:


Hmm.. seems like you also have a great sense of music taste, i'm surprised you're in RPG's and such seeing you're a big Megaman fan and all, i'm also really looking forward to getting both XenoBlade and The Last story,m perhaps even Pandora's Box as well.
What are you trying to say? I'm a huge Megaman buff and am into RPGs. :glare:

You don't deserve a part 2.
 
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