New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Starphoenix]

Not sure if serious?

Anyways I'm finally done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8n00NYLraw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Any fans of League of Legends, Mulan, or just plain awesomeness can enjoy or loathe, whichever they prefer.

So, did you see my Layton stage concept? Since you are the resident Layton expert I want your opinion/critique?

Also, I cannot remember for the life of me who is spear heading the Starfy alliance. But here is a banner:

 

[Deleted member]

@Starphoenix: That's Young Horsetail.

Anyway, in regards to PCAM, we'll have to put a cap on the limit eventually. We cannot afford to handle a billion alliances now, we need to stick with what we have and try to focus from there. Not saying we shouldn't have anymore join after we get Starfy's site in (Not sure whenever or not to approve of Zzuxon's site, I'm thinking that it may be best to approve potential new groups as part of a group with a supermajority approving of it, but that's just me) as I do hope for more, just that we need to try to focus with what we have and try to push for these inclusions now.

 

[Barbasol]

I noticed a topic a bit back to grab some music from each franchise. soooo SHAZAM!

The Legend of Zelda: Song Of Healing, such an emotional piece. Even though its for a vg, it's so heartfelt.
Metroid: Rundas Battle
Kirby: Metal (Kirby Air Ride)
F-Zero: TIE. Night of Big Blue, Dr. Stewart
Fire Emblem: Stalwarts Unite
Custom Robo: Panic Cube
Mario Party: Waluigi's Island
Paper Mario: Rawk Hawk

 

[Gallowglass]

You keep saying that she offers nothing in terms of an original fighting style. It's simply not true. She's a tomboy, which would mean all of her A attacks would be much more masculine, and her B attacks would also be different, focusing on her affinity for flowers, but still maintaining that tomboy flair. Absolutely none of Peach's attacks fit Daisy's character.

I'm not pushing for Daisy's inclusion by any means. But I simply can't let somebody generalize her character as much as you are. If she WERE in SSB4, she'd be completely different. She DOES offer "original fighting ability." Peach and Daisy are similar in appearance only. Nothing more.

And for the record, Daisy is slightly shorter than Peach.

You can give anyone a unique fighting style. I even made a joke post about that with characters like Missingno, Error, Strong Bad, etc. The most I could see her becoming is a Falco like Peach. Pretty much the same moves but with a few style tweaks here and there. Instead of a parosal she could use a big flower, instead of hearts her bomber attack can make flower, etc.

Daisy just doesn't stand out compared to other Mario characters. I mean Birdo has more potential then Daisy. She may have not be been playable in any games but has been important in many games even outside Mario series.

 

[Shorts]

You can give anyone a unique fighting style. I even made a joke post about that with characters like Missingno, Error, Strong Bad, etc. The most I could see her becoming is a Falco like Peach. Pretty much the same moves but with a few style tweaks here and there. Instead of a parosal she could use a big flower, instead of hearts her bomber attack can make flower, etc.

Daisy just doesn't stand out compared to other Mario characters. I mean Birdo has more potential then Daisy. She may have not be been playable in any games but has been important in many games even outside Mario series.

Okay, just stop. You're comparing bad to worse. Daisy can be unique. Daisy is NOT a brown haired Peach. End. Of Story.

Now stop fighting about over lamesauce.

 

[Artsy Omni]

You can give anyone a unique fighting style. I even made a joke post about that with characters like Missingno, Error, Strong Bad, etc. The most I could see her becoming is a Falco like Peach. Pretty much the same moves but with a few style tweaks here and there. Instead of a parosal she could use a big flower, instead of hearts her bomber attack can make flower, etc.

Daisy just doesn't stand out compared to other Mario characters. I mean Birdo has more potential then Daisy. She may have not be been playable in any games but has been important in many games even outside Mario series.

The problem is, you're deliberately limiting your own imagination with your bias. You can just as easily make Daisy completely different as you can make her a clone. Just look at Luigi. By your logic, Luigi should be a slightly different Mario, seeing as the only instance where he diverged completely from Mario is Luigi's Mansion, but there's no sign of that game in his moveset. And yet he still manages to be completely different from Mario. Fancy that.

Falco could have had completely unique attacks if they actually tried. They simply didn't. The potential is there.

Yes, it's easy to just tweak Peach's attacks to make them Daisy-esque. But again, that doesn't do her character justice. She is deserving of her own moveset, and it's just as easy to make a unique moveset for her as it would be for any other character, as long as you're not lazy like Sakurai was with Falco, Lucas, Toon Link, etc.

I agree that she doesn't stand out compared to other characters, from either Mario or any other franchise. But when it comes to Smash Bros, every character has equal potential. The only difference is that some character's movesets will be more directly based on actual moves from games, while others will be based on personality and other factors. I'm planning on writing a blog post about this stuff very soon, so if I can't persuade you of that fact, then perhaps you might want to read that when I get it posted.

Once again, the only obstacle for Daisy is that nobody really cares about her, and that she isn't as relevant as other Mario characters. Her lack of inclusion would have nothing to do with a lack of potential.

 

[Gallowglass]

I'm fine on stopping. In my opinion, Daisy is a horrible idea for a new character.

Well how about this Character then? Blood Hawk

Spoiler

 

[Opelucid]

Off topic: So I decided to take a 40 minute bike ride to Gamestop today since my parents had work and my brother wasn't home atm, and some kid was buying Brawl and the cashier said that Smash4 was going to be a release title for the WiiU. My reaction to hearing that o.O

I'm fine on stopping. In my opinion, Daisy is a horrible idea for a new character.

Well how about this Character then? Blood Hawk

Spoiler

Couldn't he work as an alternate costume? He is a clone of Cpt. Falcon I can't see him getting in Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh would work as an F-Zero rep though.

 

[MechaWave]

Daisy isn't one of those people I'm expecting in the next Smash game. She could be completely different from Peach because of her personality (tomboyish) and her moveset could be based off of flowers, while Peach is hearts.

She's one of those "I'm not expecting her in there but does have a chance." And then Sakurai will probably make another Dojo in a year or two and (hypothetically) announce her appearance. I'll be like "Woah."

 

[Gallowglass]

Couldn't he work as an alternate costume? He is a clone of Cpt. Falcon I can't see him getting in Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh would work as an F-Zero rep though.

Oh no no he can't anymore. You see he has a big spikey shoulder pad which Captain Falcon doesn't. Plus his personality is totally different. Blood Hawk is border line psycho and his racing style much more wild and crazy. Plus CF's fighting style wouldn't work because he says "falcon" in his special moves. It just wouldn't work because he's Blood Hawk.

 

[Artsy Omni]

I'm fine on stopping. In my opinion, Daisy is a horrible idea for a new character.

Well how about this Character then? Blood Hawk

I don't think Daisy is a bad idea for a character, but I don't want her in SSB4 if it means more important characters don't get in. That doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that, as a character, she's nothing like Peach, and would be completely different.

I know nothing about Blood Falcon (though I do know that Blood Hawk is his vehicle name, not his name), so I can't comment.

But if you're insinuating that because he's visually similar to C. Falcon that he can't have a unique moveset, then I respond by saying that visual similarity should never be cause to create a clone.

If Blood Falcon, as a character, is completely different from C. Falcon in every way, save appearance, then it warrants a completely different moveset. But again, I know little about F-Zero as a series, so I have no opinion.

 

[Opelucid]

Oh no no he can't anymore. You see he has a big spikey shoulder pad which Captain Falcon doesn't. Plus his personality is totally different. Blood Hawk is border line psycho and his racing style much more wild and crazy. Plus CF's fighting style wouldn't work because he says "falcon" in his special moves. It just wouldn't work because he's Blood Hawk.

Yeah I'm aware, I played F-Zero GX before the thing is what kind of moveset would Blood Hawk even have? Because Captain Falcon's moveset was only made up for Smash right?

This guy would be an awesome Fzero rep he's an antagonist but he isn't as important as like Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh...he kind of reminds me of Ridley though.

 

[Artsy Omni]

Oh no no he can't anymore. You see he has a big spikey shoulder pad which Captain Falcon doesn't. Plus his personality is totally different. Blood Hawk is border line psycho and his racing style much more wild and crazy. Plus CF's fighting style wouldn't work because he says "falcon" in his special moves. It just wouldn't work because he's Blood Hawk.

*facepalm*

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall...

First of all, his name is "Blood Falcon." Secondly, you're being completely irrational. I never said that because Daisy is so different from Peach, then Peach shouldn't have a recolor based on Daisy. Like I stated previously, Mario has a color change based on Wario.

All I'm saying is that if Daisy were in Smash Bros, that she would be completely different than Peach. Why can't you understand that? o.0

I don't even know why you constantly bring color changes into the conversation. They're completely unrelated.

 

[Shorts]

Blood Falcon is literally A CLONE of Falcon.

 

[Opelucid]

Blood Falcon is literally A CLONE of Falcon.

That's pretty much what I said but he didn't listen...

 

[Starphoenix]

Hey guys, I put together a complete SSB4 stage list using my stage concepts and future stage concepts. Along with the Brawl stages I believe will be returning, tell me what you think?

*An existing stage concept
**Future stage concept
***Tentative stage for game unreleased
****Guest stage concept

Super Smash Bros:
Battlefield
Final Destination

Mario:
Mushroomy Kingdom
Starship Mario*
Toad Town*
Bowser's Castle*
Luigi's Greater Mansion***

Yoshi:
Yoshi's Island

Wario:
Warioware Inc.
Diamond City**

Donkey Kong:
75m
Sunset Shore*

The Legend of Zelda:
Pirate Ship
Siren World***
Hyrule Temple (Interior)*

Pokémon:
Pokémon Stadium 2
N's Castle*
Burned Tower**

Metroid:
Norfair
Skytwon Elysia*
Geothermal Power Plant*

Star Fox:
Space Armada
Sector Z*

Fire Emblem:
Castle Siege
Dragon's Altar****

Kid Icarus:
Skyworld
The Underworld***

Kirby:
The Halberd
Dream Space***
Kirby's Yarn**

F-Zero:
Port Town: Aero Dive
Red Canyon*

Pikmin:
Distant Planet
New Planet***

Single Stage - Returning:
Saturn Valley* (Earthbound)
The Summit (Ice Climbers)
Flat Zone 2 (Game and Watch)

Single Stage - New Series:
Gluglug Lagoon* (Legendary Starfy)
Ruinous City* (Sin and Punishment)
WuHu Island* (Wii series/Pilotwings Resort)
Gaur Plains* (Xenoblade)
Cyber Holloseum* (Custom Robo)
Smashville (Animal Crossing)
The Ring** (Punch Out!!)
Elemental Lighthouse** (Golden Sun)

Other:
Nintendo*

Total=46 (About the right amount for a roster of 42-45)

Optional 3rd party stages:
Robot Museum* (Megaman)
Zenithia* (Dragon Quest)
London* (Professor Layton)
World's End* (Final Fantasy)
Green Hill Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid)
Tetris** (Tetris)

 

[MechaWave]

I don't think Daisy is a bad idea for a character, but I don't want her in SSB4 if it means more important characters don't get in.

This is why I’m doubting her appearance. If she wasn’t just a spin-off character she’d probably be here more. Some people want Waluigi for some reason yet he isn’t incredibly important. They probably want him for machinima with Wario/Waluigi. But that’s not saying he has a chance. There’s more of a chance Petey Piranha will be playable because he at least has more importance… sort of. But he’ll probably be a boss for the adventure mode in SSB4.

@StarPhoneix: I like it but you have to remember: it’s the Wii U with 2.5× the space of a regular dual-layer Wii disc. 60± characters and 70± stages sounds way more reasonable.

Also, you should probably organize it instead with PAST STAGES and include 64/Melee/Brawl there. I’m not doubting Sakurai won’t add 64 stages.
One of the stages he HAS make return is Delfino Plaza. It’s one of the best stages in Brawl.

 

[Shorts]

The lack of Peaches castle bugs me beyond ALL reason. I still think level's should represent a character. Ex: Luigi's Mansion is Luigi's level. I figure get a a level for each character, and then 5 - 10 extra franchise levels. Everyone wins!

 

[Artsy Omni]

Sheesh, people, I never said "I want Blood Falcon in SSB4" Nor did I ever say he had potential. I literally said "I have no opinion."

It just drives me crazy that people think that if Daisy were to be in SSB4 (I doubt it), that she would NEED to be a Peach clone. >_> Peach's moves fit Daisy just as much as Captain Falcon's moves fit Ganondorf: they dont.

I don't ever say "A character shouldn't be in Smash" because I don't see any value in being antagonistic toward a character's inclusion. I simply say whether or not I think a character has a good chance or not, and I have my own opinions on what Characters I would like to see in Smash, or who I think are likely to be in (based on importance).

 

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@Star

Neat, I'm a guest.

Anyway, I do agree with your stage list, except for Metroid (which we've gotten into before), and Pokemon (I'd rather see the Distortion World with Giratina as a stage )

But I have 3 quick questions:

1. For the Wario stages, why Diamond City over a Wario Land (Shake It?) stage?
2. For the D.K. stages, why only 2?
3. Any reason for no New Pork City? (I don't care if it's in but am curious to know)

 

[Starphoenix]

@StarPhoneix: I like it but you have to remember: it’s the Wii U with 2.5× the space of a regular dual-layer Wii disc. 60± characters and 70± stages sounds way more reasonable.

Also, you should probably organize it instead with PAST STAGES and include 64/Melee/Brawl there. I’m not doubting Sakurai won’t add 64 stages.
One of the stages he HAS make return is Delfino Plaza. It’s one of the best stages in Brawl.

Wow, and I was expecting for people to say I possibly had too many? lol

Anyways. The only past stages I see returning are Brawls. In each game past stages were carried over from the previous game. In Brawl the 64 stages were dropped altogether, I expect the same to be of Melee.

The lack of Peaches castle bugs me beyond ALL reason. I still think level's should represent a character. Ex: Luigi's Mansion is Luigi's level. I figure get a a level for each character, and then 5 - 10 extra franchise levels. Everyone wins!

Actually all of my stages are associated with characters, only two are not... :|

@Star

Neat, I'm a guest.

Anyway, I do agree with your stage list, except for Metroid (which we've gotten into before), and Pokemon (I'd rather see the Distortion World with Giratina as a stage )

But I have 3 quick questions:

1. For the Wario stages, why Diamond City over a Wario Land (Shake It?) stage?
2. For the D.K. stages, why only 2?
3. Any reason for no New Pork City? (I don't care if it's in but am curious to know)

1: Because Wario Land: Shake It was not something that really took. It was a game that deserved much more then it received, but I don't expect more out of it then music. Now, as for why another Warioware stage. By the time Smash Bros 4 is released we will have had one to two more Warioware entries, because it is confirmed that we will be getting a Warioware 3DS title. Plus, this is my opinion, but I think it is very possible we could even see a Warioware character. 9 Volt, Jimmy T, Orbulon, Young Cricket and Ashley come too mind. Warioware is a big enough series now to justify both another stage and character. With another character in the mix, another stage is sure to follow.

2: What else is there? In Melee we had two DK stages, in Brawl we had two DK stages.

Since Brawl there has only been one new Donkey Kong title released, Donkey Kong Country Returns. None of the other titles have really stood out, on top of that they pale in comparison to DKCR. Unless they decide to double dip in the Donkey Kong Country vault, I don't see much else happening.

3: New Pork City is one of the most dislike stages in Brawl. This isn't hyperbole, but the truth. Sakurai does pay attention to those things. Many people once had a similar disdain for Icicle Mountain and Flat Zone in Melee. Guess what happened? They didn't return in Brawl when they easily could have. Although I can't say that was the sole reason they didn't, but I'm sure it helped make the decision easier.

New Pork City is the worst stage in the game. Period. It is poor in design. Poor in execution. Poor in representing the game and series it came from. It is a poor stage, as much as I love Earthbound I will not be sad to see this stage go.

The problem with this is we have a deficit as Earthbound will lose two stages (Onett, New Pork City). Which means it will HAVE to get a new stage. The only other possibility I see is if they decide to redo Fourside, like I'm thinking they may do with Sector Z.

 

[Gallowglass]

Man you guys take me too seriously. It's called Sarcasm. I was pointing out that Blood Falcon/Hawk is about a deserving of a character as Daisy. I mean sure he's a literal clone of Captain Falcon but he acts tottally different. He's crazy and evil and his vehicle is slower It's tougher and harder to control the CF's. So if I was to make a Blood Falcon character he would be slower and have a higher defense then CF (though not as extreme as ganondorf). His fighting style wouldn't have as much knockback but instead keeps them close and punishes them. You could also design his moves based on falcon's attacking prey or Eagle Style Kung fu.

B: Raptor Claw: He Grabs the opponent with one hand and forces them onto the ground. It sets them up for other combos
Up B: Soaring Hawk: He launches up in the air and in drilling kicking pattern.
Foreward B: Hawk Dive: He flies at the opponent grabs them and carries them a little ways before pushing them farther (Think Raiden's dive attack)
Down B: Raptor Fury: Similar to Mario's spin but he pops off the air a bit with his arms pulling his opponents in.

 

[Artsy Omni]

Well you obviously know more about Blood Falcon than I do, so I dunno why you asked in the first place. I dunno what point you were trying to make... +_+

 

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I see your point with Wario, but I think 1 Warioware stage is enough, but thats my own thoughts.

As for the D.K. stages, technically we had 3 if you count the past stages, so on your stage list you would only have 2. Gang Plank Gallon or a Mine Cart stage?

As for New Pork City, oh well. Fourside would be great to have back though.

My only other thoughts are,that certain franchises only have the Past Stages to represent them, and I don't think that would happen; but I guess it's balanced out by past stages from other franchises and if I'm right then it would mean even more stages.

Too bad Omega's not here to see your list.

Night everyone.

 

[Shorts]

Then why do you only have three Pokemon Stages?! :o

 

[Starphoenix]

I see your point with Wario, but I think 1 Warioware stage is enough, but thats my own thoughts.

As for the D.K. stages, technically we had 3 if you count the past stages, so on your stage list you would only have 2. Gang Plank Gallon or a Mine Cart stage?

As for New Pork City, oh well. Fourside would be great to have back though.

My only other thoughts are,that certain franchises only have the Past Stages to represent them, and I don't think that would happen; but I guess it's balanced out by past stages from other franchises and if I'm right then it would mean even more stages.

Too bad Omega's not here to see your list.

Night everyone.

Wait, you are right. I was overlooking 75m. My bad. Still, notice something.

75m = Popular request (even though technically people were requesting 25m...), iconic locale
Rumble Falls = Based upon latest Donkey Kong, that Jungle Climber or whatever it was called.
Jungle Japes = Returning stage.

It's only Ice Climbers and Game and Watch who didn't get a new stage. But seriously, do we NEED new stages for either series? What else could they possibly do with Flat Zone 3 that hasn't already been done in the previous two? The Summit is a good stage, unless they want to go back to the mountain? I don't know. They just don't seem to need it nor have anything much to work with.

Don't worry, I'll repost it tomorrow. :D

Then why do you only have three Pokemon Stages?! :o

You really need to put that in context.

 

[Artsy Omni]

You really need to put that in context.

I think it's in response to "Every stage corresponds to a character."

 

[Shorts]

Correct. You picked three Pokemon stages, but I'm sure you know as well as everyone else that four Pokemon is much more likely.

 

[soviet prince]

just wondering is there any alliances on getting mewtwo to return?

 

[Starphoenix]

I think it's in response to "Every stage corresponds to a character."

Good eye. Thank you.

Because Iwhen it comes to Pokémon the first generation characters have always shared one stadium stage. The new Pokémon received a new stage. Since we will likely get a 5th generation character and/or Mewtwo I don't see it greatly expanding.

You see people I put a lot of thought into these stage choices. Much more then you think. Probably too much. :\

 

[MechaWave]

just wondering is there any alliances on getting mewtwo to return?

... What? o_o

Well, I hope he comes back but being more powerful like he should be.

 

[Shorts]

Good eye. Thank you.

Because Iwhen it comes to Pokémon the first generation characters have always shared one stadium stage. The new Pokémon received a new stage. Since we will likely get a 5th generation character and/or Mewtwo I don't see it greatly expanding.

You see people I put a lot of thought into these stage choices. Much more then you think. Probably too much. :\

This is where we differ. Ultimately, I would like each character to have a stage that embodies them, or a game they were in. With no characters sharing stages. I didn't make that clear Jigglypuff has had her own stage, it was Pokefloats. Pikachu had PKMN stadium, and Mewtwo and Pichu were unfortunetly shipped off to Mother and the no where land that is Battlefeild. I feel that if Pokemon has five characters, they should have five levels, ideally. But that's just me.

Pikachu - Pokemon Stadium
2nd Gen PT - Burned Tower
Jigglypuff - Celedon City
Deoxys - Waterfall Coliseum/Battle of Origin
Victini - Victini's Lighthouse/N's Castle

You see what I'm getting at?

 

[Le vieux lapin]

what is it with people wanting Victini in this new game?
Nintendo doesn't care what the fan fave is... we we not all begging them
to put in Lucario, but that is what they did. They are prolly gonna put in
something we never saw coming.

 

[Shorts]

what is it with people wanting Victini in this new game?
Nintendo doesn't care what the fan fave is... we we not all begging them
to put in Lucario, but that is what they did. They are prolly gonna put in
something we never saw coming.

The Pokemon company/Gamefreak basically picks which Pokemon go into Smash, and Victini is the president of Pokemon Co/Gamefreak favorite Pokemon.

That says a heck of a lot right there.

 

[Barbasol]

Soo.... food for thought here... who would you rather have playable. Note this isn't about probability... this is preference.

Rawk Hawk

Doopliss

Dimentio

Fawful

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Interesting side note: RAWK and FWFL are in Brawl as custom names!

 

[soviet prince]

got 83 takes so far, for those that still have not taken it here it is

http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=NMELMO_520de7a5

 

[Barbasol]

got 83 takes so far, for those that still have not taken it here it is

http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=NMELMO_520de7a5

Took it

Care to share some results?

 

[soviet prince]

I was thinking about releasing some results after 100 submissions

 

[MechaWave]

Soo.... food for thought here... who would you rather have playable. Note this isn't about probability... this is preference.
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Interesting side note: RAWK and FWFL are in Brawl as custom names!

I'd like Doopliss... I don't why. Dimentio seems to be more likely because he was incredibly scary, mischievous and other negative words describing his personality and actions in Super Paper Mario should be inserted here.

got 83 takes so far, for those that still have not taken it here it is

http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=NMELMO_520de7a5

That website is also stupid. What search term did you use to find this website?

 

[Barbasol]

I'd like Doopliss... I don't why. Dimentio seems to be more likely because he was incredibly scary, mischievous and other negative words describing his personality and actions in Super Paper Mario should be inserted here.

I like Doopliss too, he's just such an entertaining character. XD

I really hope we see one of these characters grace a Smash Bros game, they're all very unique and could each offer up a unique playstyle. I hope we see Doopliss/Rawk Hawk in lieu of Paper Mario. Why go with the safe bet when you can get something genuinely entertaining?

My preference:
Rawk Hawk
Doopliss (Very close second)
Fawful
Dimentio