New Smash Bros for WiiU

[OmegaXXII]

FLUCKING CHARACTER IDEAS!

Hmmmm.......*gets trollioli idea*


Who's has the lowest chances of getting in?
A.Mario
B.Link
C.Donkey Kong
D.Toad

(inbe4sum1saysGoku)

Goku!!!

 

[BlueXenon]

Explain how Paper Mario would be a clone? Are you dead serious that NOBODY wants him??

You need to play his games before making such assumptions about P.Mario, he is unique and would have his own fighting styple from Mario's he would NOT be a clone.

I created a moveset to prove it as well.

Can i see it?

And paper mario is just a wider and shorter mario. They can still have the same moveset. Mario doesn't have any 3d moves.

And Rosalina is very likely to get in because she had an assist trophy.

 

[Shorts]

- Jigglypuff would have gotten the axe.
- Pokemon Trainer would not have been in Brawl.
- Lucario would not have made the cut.

Would have happened? Might have happened sounds better. Sakurai probably doesn't see these imaginary slots like we do.

 

[Berserker.]

FOR THE LAST TIME, Paper Mario can't do what Mario does.

He can't do tornado spin. He can do things Mario can't do like switch to 3D and take advantage of his flat paper status. IS IT HARD TO EXPLAIN TO YOU!?

 

[Starphoenix]

Can i see it?

And paper mario is just a wider and shorter mario. They can still have the same moveset.

Their model's are different.

/topic

Goodnight everyone.

 

[JavaCroc]

Never mind the big post. I got bored.

So... I'll repeat this question:

Should hidden characters have pre-battle cutscenes before you fight them, along the lines of Wolf, Toon Link, and Jigglypuff's Brawl cutscenes in Adenture Mode?

 

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Maybe I was over doing it comparing Mewtwo to Mega Man, but oh well. We were comparing 2 different games anyway. lol

I just hope Sakurai doesn't make such a mistake with SSB4.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Can i see it?

And paper mario is just a wider and shorter mario. They can still have the same moveset. Mario doesn't have any 3d moves.

And Rosalina is very likely to get in because she had an assist trophy.

Sure here it is:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12927436&postcount=8226

like I said, Rosalina's chances are slim to none, she has alot of competition
already, we aren't getting more than 7 Mario reps.

Also read this:

There is no technical way Paper Mario can be a clone. Period. Paper Mario is a 2D character, Mario is 3D. Want proof, Paper Mario can't do Mario's Tornado Spin. Most of all the spins and twirls Mario does Paper Mario cannot as his model is dramatically different then Mario's.

Paper Mario has more of a possibility of being a clone of Game and Watch than Mario.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

NO!WE'RE NOT DOING THIS PAPER MARIO THING AGAIN!
Guy thinks P.M will be clone if he gets in,let him think it!

 

[BlueXenon]

Sure here it is:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12927436&postcount=8226

like I said, Rosalina's chances are slim to none, she has alot of competition
already, we aren't getting more than 7 Mario reps.

Also read this:

You forgot to do grabs, smashes, air attacks, and many other things.
But the specials are good.

 

[TL OWNS U]

And Rosalina is very likely to get in because she had an assist trophy.

So does that mean Shadow, Little Mac, a Nintendog, and Stafy are all likely to be playable characters because they're all assist trophies too?

 

[OmegaXXII]

@BlueZelda: Still....he would not be a clone whasoever period. Read what Starphoenix wrote.

 

[BlueXenon]

So does that mean Shadow, Little Mac, a Nintendog, and Stafy are all likely to be playable characters because they're all assist trophies too?

idk who little mac is, but shadow is likely to get in. Not Nintendog because it would be to difficult to make a moveset for it.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

So does that mean Shadow, Little Mac, a Nintendog, and Stafy are all likely to be playable characters because they're all assist trophies too?

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE?!
Finnaly some1 understands!

 

[TL OWNS U]

idk who little mac is

I stopped reading right there.

 

[OmegaXXII]

So does that mean Shadow, Little Mac, a Nintendog, and Stafy are all likely to be playable characters because they're all assist trophies too?

Nope because all AT's aren't similar, really just because Andross is an AT does it mean he'll be playable? NO

some characters are exceptions though like Little Mac and Saki for example, just some have realistic potential, NOT all of them.

 

[BlueXenon]

@BlueZelda: Still....he would not be a clone whasoever period. Read what Starphoenix wrote.

PM can easily get the same U and F smashes, some air attacks, and same U and N special.

 

[TL OWNS U]

Nope because all AT's aren't similar, really just because Andross is an AT does it mean he'll be playable? NO

some characters are exceptions though like Little Mac and Saki for example, just some have realistic potential, NOT all of them.

You missed my point. I was trying to say that just because a character is an AT doesn't mean they'll be playable characters.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

P.Mario will be a clone,Problem crazed toad supporter?

 

[Berserker.]

There are some special cases though for the following:
Little Mac (He has Sakurai's interest, he would be unique and he has the popularity)
Saki (Sakurai said it himself, he would fit in the game)
Starfy (FAN DEMAND!!!! I'm I missing something?)
Isaac (He has supporters)

@BlueZelda: Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. HE HAS A DIFFERENT MODEL. He can't flip, he can't do that explosion f-smash whatever you call it, he does not have the same n special at all. He can't do fire ball in his game (Lol I cant believe you said that) and he has better options than just super jump punch

 

[TL OWNS U]

PM can easily get the same U and F smashes, some air attacks, and same U and N special.

Does PM even use fireballs in his games? He wouldn't have the same NB as Mario and for his UB, he could use that flying koopa from the N64 Paper Mario.

 

[BlueXenon]

Rosalina is more likely to get in that PM because her moveset would be easier to make. You just use stars for most of her moves, she would be like Olimar.

 

[OmegaXXII]

PM can easily get the same smashes, some air attacks, and same U and N special.

Some, BUT his mechanics are way different than Mario's, for one he can't use Tornado Spin because his "Paper" mechanic would most likely restrict that, also he has alot of different moves that Matio doesn't like Hammer moves, multiple jumps, not to mention different ways they do moves, they just aren't the same.

Just because they look alike does not mean he would be a clone, period.

 

[TL OWNS U]

Rosalina is more likely to get in that PM because her moveset would be easier to make. You just use stars for most of her moves, she would be like Olimar.

So Rosalina would be an Olimar clone?

 

[Berserker.]

Rosalina? Oh ****.

Omega, I'll leave this to you. Be back in a while

 

[Starphoenix]

Does PM even use fireballs in his games? He wouldn't have the same NB as Mario and for his UB, he could use that flying koopa from the N64 Paper Mario.

How can he and why would he use fieballs? He'd set himself on fire, what kind of attack is that? That's like some Dan Habiki kind of crap there.

Oh, and for the record, he does not.

 

[Artsy Omni]

Paper Mario could be treated as a completely different character. Easily.

Do I want him in? Not particularly. But people insisting that he would need to be a Mario clone have no imagination. The Paper Mario universe is differentiated enough that it offers different attacks.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Rosalina is more likely to get in that PM because her moveset would be easier to make. You just use stars for most of her moves, she would be like Olimar.

Nope, you are wrong, she may be your favorite character but that's your opinion, not happening.

 

[Deleted member]

@JavaCroc: Not really. I cam live without this. I much prefer they do like they normally do when you fight characters to unlock them.

And Rosalina is very likely to get in because she had an assist trophy.

Rosalina isn't likely at all. Overrated in prominence to the Mario series, will likely not be featured in mainstream titles after SMG2, very little popular requests, and looks like Assist Trophy material. Also, Rosalina was not an Assist Trophy or even planned as one. The only realistic shot she has to be in this game is as an Assist Trophy.

Even so, being an Assist Trophy only helps certain characters. Little Mac being one of them since he demonstrates move set potentials. Others like Nintendogs are meant to be ATs and should stay that way. You don't see anyone supporting them, right?

I just hope Sakurai doesn't make such a mistake with SSB4.

This is pretty much why when it comes to the roster, my biggest worry has to lie with Pokemon due to it's instability and my greatest concern for vets is Lucario. Pokemon lost Pichu and Mewtwo in the process to Brawl, so it's natural to worry about Lucario gets axed in favor of a 5th gen rep (Especially Zoroark, who I fear would establish a pattern of a humanoid Pokemon replacing another humanoid Pokemon, further stagnating the roster) and for Pokemon to not get a fifth slot. I have no problem with Lucario leaving PROVIDING that we get five slots and Mewtwo/Meowth/Deoxys/good 2nd 5th Gen Pokemon take it's place, but if Zoroark is treated as a Lucario replacement and no fifth slot, I will lose all faith in a Pokemon roster for Smash to ever be good as I see it going in a pattern of bitter, frustration, and disappointment for those hoping for stability and expansion.

I have little doubt in my mind that we're getting a 5th Mario rep (Toad/Bowser Jr./Paper Mario), a third DK rep (King K. Rool/Dixie Kong), Ridley, two new modern franchises (Little Mac and one of Isaac/Saki/Ray/Starfy), one retro rep (Takamaru), and a 2nd Kid Icarus rep (Medusa/Palutena). All of which I expect. What I also expect is five slots for Pokemon or at least Victini/Gensesect's inclusion. But with Zoroark likely and me not seeing positive things coming from his inclusion, it has me very concern for the future of Pokemon.

 

[OmegaXXII]

How can he and why would he use fieballs? He'd set himself on fire, what kind of attack is that? That's like some Dan Habiki kind of crap there.

Oh, and for the record, he does not.

Ah Man! You seriously made me laugh there.

 

[Chris the Ripper]

Rosalina and P.Mario


........Only if I gave a ****,only if I gave...

 

[BlueXenon]

Maybe Daisy would be a secret character like ZSS and you would have to hold shield on peach to use her.
Daisy would be perfect to represent mario sports games, including mario party.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Rosalina and P.Mario


........Only if I gave a ****,only if I gave...

I know what you want:

you happy?!!

 

[Deleted member]

For those wondering, here's the social group for PCAM.

Good night and will introduce Knights of Elibe in PCAM tomorrow (I need to stop procrastinating).

 

[Artsy Omni]

I think the likelihood of a character being included should never be based on how difficult it would be to create a moveset.

If you can pull a moveset out of your butt for Fox Mcloud, Ice Climbers, and ROB, then you can for any other character. The very fact that ROB of all "characters" got into Brawl over characters from other games that would have an easy moveset should speak volumes in that regard.

Character inclusion should be based solely on whether or not a character has made a sizeable contribution to their respective franchses' heritage ("sizeable" being in proportion to the scope of the franchise in question). I think every character in Brawl qualifies under that criteria.

 

[Big-Cat]

That Ridley is a different character, based on the information that I got from the Metroid Wiki.

THE Ridley is the one who killed Samus's parents.

Speaking of which, it would be pretty amusing if THE Ridley is playable, while the Other M Ridley is a boss.

It's kind of weird to explain, but there was a good theory saying that Ridley's memories were in his DNA which would explain the immediate hostility to Samus even in his Choogle state. Look up genetic memory. It's something like that.

And that is supposed to intimidate me how?

Anyways, I've just had inspiration for where Smash Bros as a series can progress watching a video from another fighting game. No, not Street Fighter. Power Stone! Watch the video you can see for yourself.

1: Dynamic Stages

They have tried this with Rainbow Cruise, Icicle Mountain, Mushroomy Kingdom, and Rumble Falls. But only one of those have even remotely been fun to play on. Everything else is a sporadic mess of platforms and incoherency. This is one thing Power Stone has managed to do well. In the video you begin in the pond are of an ancient, eastern castle. Then fiery arrows rain down forcing you to climb up the castle and make your way through doors to the inside. Most of the other stages share the same formula, begin at point A and make your way through point B until you hit C.

Regardless of any drastic gameplay change, there isn't any reason why dynamic stages have to be as abhorrent as they have been. Now here is my big idea in point 2.

Power Stone has the advantage of being a fighter that moves in a 3D plane. I think that probably helps a lot with the dynamic stages as the parts of the stage are forced to cycle like Smash's changing stages.

2: Item Mixing and Collecting!

Fun stuff.

This all sounds pretty neat, but aside from Adventure Mode, can you use these combined items in a vs. match?

Paper Fan: **

Wat? The fan, despite its weak damage is so broken it's not even funny.

The whole items thing sounds like it'd be a fun idea, but from what I'm watching in the Power Stone videos, the emphasis of the game is on the use of the items, and Smash's emphasis has never been like that. Take away the items in Power Stone, it looks like you lose a lot. Take them away in Smash and you can enjoy the game just as much, if not more so. This isn't to say Power Stone is a bad game, but it's a different kind of game.

And for my heat with SmashChu, I've been arguing with this guy for years, and I've seen him argue with other people in other threads and forums. He's so close minded that he insists he's always right in every argument without as so much of a thought from the opposing side. The arguments with him turn out the same in every way, regardless of the topic. I've seen people responding negatively to him just showing up in a thread. Do you remember Chu arguing with Toise about third party characters?

 

[Barbasol]

Daisy is in Smash Bros as an alternate costume. That suits her quite well, given the nature of her origin as a Peach alternate.

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[OmegaXXII]

^^Listen to this guy!!

 

[TL OWNS U]

Maybe Daisy would be a secret character like ZSS and you would have to hold shield on peach to use her.
Daisy would be perfect to represent mario sports games, including mario party.

Daisy would just be a clone of Peach. All Daisy is is a color palete of Peach.

 

[Barbasol]

^^Listen to this guy!!

Omega, I've also given it some thought. And given everything, I have decided to continue with Begnion rather than move to another.