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[OmegaXXII]

.I honestly don't care how many fire using character there are in Smash, as long as they provide something new to the table, I don't have a problem with it. It's only a problem if it results in clones, which Victini will certainly not be. Even so, Victini is a Fire/Psychic Pokemon, so he has more out of his arsenal then just Fire moves.It would be the first time a Mew-like Pokemon is playable and would eliminate all need to keep both Lucario/Mewtwo out of Smash whereas Zoroark has somewhat similar body structure that will probably result in neither getting in, making only four slots that much more likely, when the seirres deserves at least five.

Hmm.. That's a very interesting point you brought there, I would personally like to see Mewtwo getting back in, not so much Lucario, so if it meant bringing back Mewtwo then I definetly would want to see Victini represented instead.

Not only that but Victini would potentially "break" the cycle of clones/semi clones; meaning we wouldn't get another pokemon with a potentially similar style to Mewtwo or Lucario which in this case would most likely be Zoroark.

If Victini could break that cycle and bring uniqueness to the table, plus potentially giving Mewtwo a higher chance then I don't see why Victini shouldn't be in at all. Perhaps I've changed my view on this, now I might just support Victini solely for those reasons.

I agree we the movie theory. They will use the star Pokemon of the latest movie in America probably. Which will probably be the victini movie by then.

Maybe so, but that's If it gets enough popularity and maybe highly demanded by fans, but of course exposure plays a big role as well so I guess Sakurai would greatly consider Victini just like Lucario before it.

Bleuuuu, i hated how brawl gave almost no recognition of 64. I can understand tributes to melee, but the only bit of music from 64 really was the credits, and even then, in my music it was labelled as melee. Basically everything else was melee and brawl tributes. :/

I hope they give a bit more recognition to the first one in SSB4, or i'll personally be really annoyed.

I highly agree with you, it's a shame and kind of ironic that Sakurai didn't include any tribute or representation of SSB64; the game that started it all, hopefully for SSB4 he could include classic SSB64 stages either in game or possibly as DLC content, as well as music, it was a shame that even music was put in Brawl, but I'm hoping fir at least more variety from all 3 games this time around, mainly SSB64 representation.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Hmm.. That's a very interesting point you brought there, I would personally like to see Mewtwo getting back in, not so much Lucario, so if it meant bringing back Mewtwo then I definetly would want to see Victini represented instead.

Not only that but Victini would potentially "break" the cycle of clones/semi clones; meaning we wouldn't get another pokemon with a potentially similar style to Mewtwo or Lucario which in this case would most likely be Zoroark.

If Victini could break that cycle and bring uniqueness to the table, plus potentially giving Mewtwo a higher chance then I don't see why Victini shouldn't be in at all. Perhaps I've changed my view on this, now I might just support Victini solely for those reasons.

In my opinion, Mewtwo does not need to go back if someone wants to play with Mewtwo, play Melee.

And Zoroark would not look like Lucario or Mewtwo, look in the bulbapedia, the moveset of Zoroark not have any shadow ball or similar something.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Zoroark_(Pokémon)

 

[BlackFox]

In my opinion, Mewtwo does not need to go back if someone wants to play with Mewtwo, play Melee.

And Zoroark would not look like Lucario or Mewtwo, look in the bulbapedia, the moveset of Zoroark not have any shadow ball or similar something.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Zoroark_(Pokémon)

He has a pretty similar body shape, so regular attacks could be similar. Plus Pikachu didn't even have Skull Bash, so...

 

[Pseudomaniac]

I'm not sure why so many people keep saying Lucario was a semi-clone of Mewtwo... they only have 1 move in common.

I actually started crafting a moveset for Zoroark based around a rather unique concept I had... this thread is tempting me to finish and post it.

 

[Sonic Poke]

I'm not sure why so many people keep saying Lucario was a semi-clone of Mewtwo... they only have 1 move in common.

Correction: two movements, the other is 'A Move UP'. Not equal, but is similar, both cast energy up.

I actually started crafting a moveset for Zoroark based around a rather unique concept I had... this thread is tempting me to finish and post it.

post, I want to see!

 

[Vinylic.]

I'd swap lucario for snivy. sexiest pokemon i've ever seen.

I don't find lucario powerful. His attacks are too soft. Except Special.

Snivy is more powerful to me.
And her final smash is completely obvious.

Spoiler

Love Sickness

 

[hichez50]

Lets be honest I think they will make a new Pokemon trainer with starters from various regions. Because there was never any 3rd gen representation. Also I wonder if other characters will have abilities like lucario in the next game. Say the more times a character got hit the faster they get but they lose some power or something like that.

 

[Sonic Poke]

I'd swap lucario for snivy. sexiest pokemon i've ever seen.

Turtwig is better!

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm not sure why so many people keep saying Lucario was a semi-clone of Mewtwo... they only have 1 move in common.

I actually started crafting a moveset for Zoroark based around a rather unique concept I had... this thread is tempting me to finish and post it.

Well I agree with you, Lucario really isn't a semi-clone, but I believe he's only referenced as it due to having a a similar body type as well being the psychic type, aside from the Shadow Ball move Lucario indeed has fighting type characteristics, so yea I see the fault there.

I've been wanting to see how Zoroark would work, if you posted a Zoroark moveset that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Lets be honest I think they will make a new Pokemon trainer with starters from various regions. Because there was never any 3rd gen representation. Also I wonder if other characters will have abilities like lucario in the next game. Say the more times a character got hit the faster they get but they lose some power or something like that.

As long as it does not replace the current one, for me okay!

 

[Greave]

I'm not very fond of Pokemon Trainer. Sure, he was unique, and yeah, that's what Smash needs, but no one cares about those Pokés . . . Trainer was a synthetic way to pack more characters int the game while keeping the actual roster small. My suggestion would be to only focus on the Pokémon that people want, thus freeing up room for both Mewtwo AND a rep from Gen V, AND maybe another bonus mon.

Edit: I can see some people liking Charizard, but not enough to put up with Squirtle and Ivysaur.

 

[Vinylic.]

Lets be honest I think they will make a new Pokemon trainer with starters from various regions. Because there was never any 3rd gen representation. Also I wonder if other characters will have abilities like lucario in the next game. Say the more times a character got hit the faster they get but they lose some power or something like that.

Let it be a female. But not a pokemon trainer. A pokemon Ranger.

 

[OmegaXXII]

In my opinion, Mewtwo does not need to go back if someone wants to play with Mewtwo, play Melee.

And Zoroark would not look like Lucario or Mewtwo, look in the bulbapedia, the moveset of Zoroark not have any shadow ball or similar something.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Zoroark_(Pokémon)

And I agree, it's just that IMO, Mewtwo had more popularity and was a unique pokemon in Melee, he didn't deserve to get axed, but if we were to get both Lucario and Mewtwo over Zoroark then that would be even better and it would please both fans of both Lucario and Mewtwo alike.

 

[JavaCroc]

I'm not sure why so many people keep saying Lucario was a semi-clone of Mewtwo... they only have 1 move in common.

Heck, I don't understand why people keep saying Lucario replaced Mewtwo.

It's very obvious that Mewtwo was meant for Brawl with Lucario - his data as part of the "Forbidden Seven" is apparently the most complete of them all. As you said, Lucario and Mewtwo barely share anything in common except they have a neutral-B projectile attack and a similar Up A as Sonic Poke said. Wow, they're so alike!

It seems to me that Lucario actually replaced Pichu to represent the latest generation - Pichu was a joke character that few enjoyed anyways. Mewtwo, however, was popular, even with his low-tier placement, and I doubt Sakurai ever planned to replace him. Mewtwo wasn't swapped for anybody; he was simply dropped due to time constraints.

Bringing it back to the Zoroark discussion; given that Sakurai planned Mewtwo and Lucario to appear in the same game, I don't see why Zoroark and Lucario can't be in the same game. Heck, it may be a bit much, but even Mewtwo, Lucario, and Zoroark can be in the same game and share nothing in common.

Personally, I don't think Mewtwo needs to come back, but I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Jiggylpuff since he is probably a better first-generation rep than Jigglypuff is, no offense against Jigglypuff. And while I support Victini over Zoroark, I also would enjoy Zoroark's inclusion in SSB4 just as much unless he replaces Lucario.

I'm not sure about the third generation getting a rep. If it gets a rep, it will probably be a replacement for one of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon. In that case, the second gen would probably replace another one as well. But we'd keep at least one of PT's original Pokemon - probably Charizard since he's the most popular, I believe.

As for another Pokemon Trainer, it would likely take away the original PT's uniqueness - I don't really see it happening. But I'm not against seeing a new Pokemon Trainer either.

 

[Sonic Poke]

I'm not very fond of Pokemon Trainer. Sure, he was unique, and yeah, that's what Smash needs, but no one cares about those Pokés . . . Trainer was a synthetic way to pack more characters int the game while keeping the actual roster small. My suggestion would be to only focus on the Pokémon that people want, thus freeing up room for both Mewtwo AND a rep from Gen V, AND maybe another bonus mon.

Pokemon trainer is epic, his moveset is spectacular! The three pokemon work in perfect harmony: Squirtle is fast and has an extremely effec hull (so effective that it can block the final smash of Marth, Captain falcon and others), Ivysaur attacks in distance and has a great recuteracão and Charizard flies and crush!

 

[Vinylic.]

^ no love for the rangers?

 

[Sonic Poke]

And I agree, it's just that IMO, Mewtwo had more popularity and was a unique pokemon in Melee, he didn't deserve to get axed, but if we were to get both Lucario and Mewtwo over Zoroark then that would be even better and it would please both fans of both Lucario and Mewtwo alike.

Just agree with the return of Mewtwo, if it is in moveset of Giovanni.

 

[Conviction]

Glad to see you like it here hichez LOL

 

[OmegaXXII]

Lets be honest I think they will make a new Pokemon trainer with starters from various regions. Because there was never any 3rd gen representation. Also I wonder if other characters will have abilities like lucario in the next game. Say the more times a character got hit the faster they get but they lose some power or something like that.

To tell you the truth, I love Pokemon Trainer Red as it is, but I certaintly would like to see another Pokemon Trainer from any of the following such as

•Giovanni
•Team Rocket
•Crystal
•Gary
•PK Trainer from 2nd Generation
•PK Trainer from 5th generation

I would love to see them as an alt theme for Pokemon Trainer, of course if they replaced Pokemon Trainer Red then I guess it would be fine, but in all honestly I would love to see both Pokemon Trainer Red as well as Giovanni or Team Rocket acting and representing the Pokemon franchise as the antagonists, even though it's unlikely to happen.

 

[Greave]

Pokemon trainer is epic, his moveset is spectacular! The three pokemon work in perfect harmony: Squirtle is fast and has an extremely effec hull (so effective that it can block the final smash of Marth, Captain falcon and others), Ivysaur attacks in distance and has a great recuteracão and Charizard flies and crush!

You sound more attached to the Pokémons' roles than the Pokémon themselves See, I wouldn't mind a Trainer if he had more well-liked monsters at his disposal. But if he did, I would much rather play with those monsters alone rather than having to be lifelined to two others.

And that's the Catch-22 of Pokémon Trainer.

 

[Vinylic.]

Daiyum. o3o

I guess there really is no love for the pokemon ranger.

 

[Deleted member]

@JavaCroc: When it comes to Zoroark getting in and one of Mewtwo/Lucario staying, considering that I will admit he has unique move set potentials, if that were to happen, I wouldn't mind Zoroark, providing of course he plays completely different. However, due to similar body structure, I fear that his inclusion would remove Lucario and keep Mewtwo out, thus putting Pokemon in a likely permanent loop of only four slots. That is the main reason why I support Victini, him getting included would almost certainly prevent this from happening and I see a much better chance of Lucario/Mewtwo returning for SSB4.

Hmm.. That's a very interesting point you brought there, I would personally like to see Mewtwo getting back in, not so much Lucario, so if it meant bringing back Mewtwo then I definetly would want to see Victini represented instead.

Not only that but Victini would potentially "break" the cycle of clones/semi clones; meaning we wouldn't get another pokemon with a potentially similar style to Mewtwo or Lucario which in this case would most likely be Zoroark.

If Victini could break that cycle and bring uniqueness to the table, plus potentially giving Mewtwo a higher chance then I don't see why Victini shouldn't be in at all. Perhaps I've changed my view on this, now I might just support Victini solely for those reasons.

This is the main reason why I support Victini and am against Zoroark's inclusion. If Zoroark gets in and Mewtwo/Lucario are not in, I fear that Pokemon will be stuck in a permanent loop of only four slots when other active franchises gain more and more slots. Zoroark fans will have to accept the fact that if he gets in that he will likely face the axe in SSB5 because his time is up (Will be replaced by another character with a similar style), and will in the end, leave fans of Mewtwo, Lucario, Zoroark, and others bitter and frustrated about the status of Pokemon which will only grow with each installment.

Having Victini in would break that cycle and allow a greater chance of Lucario/Mewtwo to return for SSB4 so they can solidify their spot. Not only that, I think Victini would have a much better staying power then Zoroark due to having a completely different style of play.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Just agree with the return of Mewtwo, if it is in moveset of Giovanni.

Agreed! Giovanni is one of my most wanted Pokemon Trainers thT I would love to see, he's the leader of Team Rocket which already makes him cool, plus he's an antagonist which IMO the Pokemon Franchise needs ATM.

Having Giovanni in Smash 4 would be the perfect excuse to have Mewtwo/Armored Mewtwo for Smash 4.

 

[Sonic Poke]

You sound more attached to the Pokémons' roles than the Pokémon themselves See, I wouldn't mind a Trainer if he had more well-liked monsters at his disposal. But if he did, I would much rather play with those monsters alone rather than having to be lifelined to two others.

And that's the Catch-22 of Pokémon Trainer.

Seeing you talk that way, it seems that you want the separation between Zelda and Sheik! I know the above comparison is a bit exaggerated, but separating the P of PT, it would be madness.

 

[Deleted member]

Agreed! Giovanni is one of my most wanted Pokemon Trainers thT I would love to see, he's the leader of Team Rocket which already makes him cool, plus he's an antagonist which IMO the Pokemon Franchise needs ATM.

Having Giovanni in Smash 4 would be the perfect excuse to have Mewtwo/Armored Mewtwo for Smash 4.

Totally this. He's really the only Pokemon Trainer I support as it would give us completely different Pokemons that are fun to play with, just like the original. I just hope that Red doesn't lose his spot, as cool as it would be to play with 2nd, 3rd, or 5th, I just feel it would be a waste of time that could be used on developing characters.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Agreed! Giovanni is one of my most wanted Pokemon Trainers thT I would love to see, he's the leader of Team Rocket which already makes him cool, plus he's an antagonist which IMO the Pokemon Franchise needs ATM.

Having Giovanni in Smash 4 would be the perfect excuse to have Mewtwo/Armored Mewtwo for Smash 4.

Exactly! although I prefer Team Rocket (it would be really funny and ironic see they blasting off again), Giovanni would be amazing, it would undoubtedly be the antagonist coolest of the game!

 

[JavaCroc]

To tell you the truth, I love Pokemon Trainer Red as it is, but I certaintly would like to see another Pokemon Trainer from any of the following such as

•Giovanni
•Team Rocket
•Crystal
•Gary
•PK Trainer from 2nd Generation
•PK Trainer from 5th generation

I would love to see them as an alt theme for Pokemon Trainer, of course if they replaced Pokemon Trainer Red then I guess it would be fine, but in all honestly I would love to see both Pokemon Trainer Red as well as Giovanni or Team Rocket acting and representing the Pokemon franchise as the antagonists, even though it's unlikely to happen.

Question: do Giovanni, Crystal, or Gary have any background behind themselves in their games? I haven't played Pokemon in while.

In general, I'm against alternate costumes if they are made to mimic a character who is absolutely separate and completely different from the character with the costume, especially if that costume character has a background. That's why, for example, I do not agree with giving Peach a complete Daisy costume; it's treating Daisy just like that, a skin you put over someone else when they're capable of more than that. It's disrespecting the background and abilties of that other character.

If a costume is of a character who is the same as the character it is a costume of - for example, overalls Wario and WarioWare Wario -, then I have no problem against it. But if it's mimicking a character who could stand on their own perfectly fine in Smash Bros. and is entirely separate from that character, then I absolutely 100% against it.

It's not even based on whether a character is deserving for Smash Bros. or not - Daisy isn't deserving, for example. But treating her as a "skin" you can throw over some other character is making a fool of that character and saying "she couldn't do anything herself". "She's only worthy of being a costume".

@SSBFan:

While I do support Zoroark, I only support it if it doesn't replace Lucario. If Sakurai thinks of Zoroark as only an inevitable replacement, then I don't want it in. Since the chances of that happening are sadly decent or better than decent maybe, I support Victini for the fifth-gen Pokemon. Plus, as you noted, it does break the cycle of Pokemon with similar body structures and slightly similar movesets.

 

[Greave]

Seeing you talk that way, it seems that you want the separation between Zelda and Sheik! I know the above comparison is a bit exaggerated, but separating the P of PT, it would be madness.

Zelda isn't reliant on Sheik, and neither is Sheik on Zelda. Trainer's Pokemon switch every time they die, and they lose stamina over time, so that you're forced to switch no matter what.

I guess a suitable compromise would be to keep a trainer, but remove the stamina and auto-switch elements. Although even then, these 3 Pokémon would feel less important to me than the standalones and I wouldn't want, say, Mewtwo in this category. :|

 

[Sonic Poke]

Zelda isn't reliant on Sheik, and neither is Sheik on Zelda. Trainer's Pokemon switch every time they die, and they lose stamina over time, so that you're forced to switch no matter what.

I guess a suitable compromise would be to keep a trainer, but remove the stamina and auto-switch elements. Although even then, these 3 Pokémon would feel less important to me than the standalones and I wouldn't want, say, Mewtwo in this category. :|

In pokemon games, in anime, the pokemon trainers change the pokemons after the weakening of the other, it would be foolish to change it!

 

[Barbasol]

Interesting thoughts on Giovanni. If we saw him, we could please a LOT of different pokerequests... Just think;

Giovanni could reasonably have any of:
- Mewtwo (would only lose confusion in Bv, which is fine as it was useless)
- Deoxys
- Genesect
- Meowth


It'd be win-win.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Interesting thoughts on Giovanni. If we saw him, we could please a LOT of different pokerequests... Just think;

Giovanni could reasonably have any of:
- Mewtwo (would only lose confusion in Bv, which is fine as it was useless)
- Deoxys
- Genesect
- Meowth


It'd be win-win.

Not Meowth, Persian yes. Meowth of Team Rocket is a companion, not Giovanni. I had posted a moveset of team rocket, which shows how I think it would work. I will try and post again!

 

[Barbasol]

Oh, and since Giovanni reminded me of this... his songs from the Pokemon Live! musical:

Pokemon Live! You Just Can't Win; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petsdXjRN4w&playnext=1&list=PLFD8513921F5A7DD3
Pokemon Live! It Will All Be Mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mocsc_BsAdI&feature=related

It's so cheesy but even more catchy

@Sonic Poke; Persian would make more sense, but noone wants it, there's at least fan demand for meowth.

 

[Greave]

I'd feel prouder calling myself a Mewtwo main than a . . . Giovanni main.

 

[BirthNote]

I've decided to bring this up every once in a while, so here it is:

Pokemon Trainer Idea

Spoiler

What if the Pokemon Trainer didn't have 3 pokemon from one generation? Instead, what if he/she had a lineup that combined generations 2 through 4? Pokemon representation can be brought up to speed if this happens, as opposed to a 3rd Generation in a hypothetical SSB5 and so on. There's many pokemon to choose from in one generation alone, therefore deciding who makes it is anyone's guess, so here are the NUMEROUS options:



2nd Generation
Chikorita

Bayleef

Meganium

Cyndaquil

Quilava

Typhlosion

Totodile

Croconaw

Feraligatr

3rd Generation
Treecko

Grovyle

Sceptile

Torchic

Combusken

Blaziken

Mudkip

Marshtomp

Swampert

4th Generation
Turtwig

Grotle

Torterra

Chimchar

Monferno

Infernape

Piplup

Prinplup

Empoleon

The pokemon are listed from phases 1 to 3. I've color-coded them to make their type (grass, fire, water) obvious, and I provided images because not everyone (myself included) knows what these pokemon look like.

So, my idea is for the Trainer to have 3 pokemon, but with one belonging to a specific generation, type and phase. The list above features the choices, and only one pokemon can be chosen from each generation, as well as type, and evolution phase. The chosen 3 can't share similarities in phase, type or generation. Here are the features:

-Its meant to replace Brawl's PT and Pokemon with a new, SSB only PT. This can solve the problem of a trainer that only features 1 gen.
-The PT could have a male and female version, with about 5 alts.
-Only one PT in SSB4
-This is NOT meant to showcase a customizable roster. When you have 27 options, people will not choose the same set.

Here are some of the choices that people have made:

Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken (ToddCam, Sonic Poke, Spydr Enzo)
Treecko, Quilava, Empoleon (BirthNote)
Totodile, Grovyle, Infernape (augustoflores)
Chimchar, Grovyle, Feraligatr (shortiecanbrawl)

*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea.

I think this idea as a whole is an innovative approach to choosing a PT lineup, but I have to admit that some of these candidates can't work for Smash because of...notable concerns. Some are armless, and others are FREAKING MASSIVE (guess who). They can be resized, but anyway, I made many combinations that I haven't listed. My personal choice would be to follow up on Brawl's PT range: fire would have its first phase, water would be in its second, and grass would feature its third phase. The phase layout that I've mentioned is how I would do it--if you want to come up with your own layout or follow Brawl's, go ahead.

So what do you all think? Is it best for the PT to have a strictly 2nd generation lineup, or have a roster that spans these 3 generations? With this, they could possibly get away with featuring all of Pokemon generations; Pika and Jiggs feature the first whereas the Trainer showcases 3 and the 5th generation can showcase Zoroark. Who would you choose as the Pokemon Trainer's fighters?

 

[Sonic Poke]

Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken is better, for a second pkmn trainer!

 

[Sonic Poke]

@Barbasol: I found!

Team Rocket Moveset

The rocket team will work primarily with the original three playable Pokemon (Arbok, Lickitung, Victreebel) and will interact in the same way that Red interact.

Down Special Move: PKMN
Final Smash: Robot Diglett

Final Smash: Robo Diglett

To protect the world from devestation
To unite all peoples within our nation
To denounce the evils of truth and love
To extend our reach to the stars above
Jesse, James
Team Rocket, blastoff at the speed of light
Surrender now or prepare to fight
(Meowth, thats right)

After quoting the motto, something will pop up!

The new and improved than the old Robotti Diglet which is controlled by Meowth controls' s. It also has arms to grab things. Three networks of fire out of your body, and can also walk along the walls. Act similarly with the Landmaster.

Order:

Arbok:

It will be fast as Diddy Kong, but will jump down as Link.

A: Headbutt
AAA: Series head like pikachu, but slower.
Side Smash A: She gets ready to pounce, bite and giving electric shocks.
Up Smash A: Similar to 'Side Smash A' but up.
Down Smash A: Roundhouse with the syrup.

B: 'Sting Poison'
Side B: 'Toxic'
Up B: 'Wrap'

Lickitung:

It will be a little lighter than Bowser, and equally fast like DK, and jump down as Ganondorf.

A: Slap simple using the tongue
Side Smash A: Slap strong with the tongue
Up Smash A: Beat up.
Down Smash A: Roundhouse with the tongue

B: 'Shadow Ball'
Side B: 'Lick'
Up B: 'Slam'

Victreebel:

A: Vine Whip
AAA: Vine Whip Combo
Side, Up and Down Smashes A: Similar to Ivysaur

B: Energy Ball
Side B: Razor Leaf
Up B: Vine Whip

After the Final Smash there will be an alternation of character, similar to Samus and ZSS. Since Meowth is who will control the Diglett, Meowth is controlled this time, without having to split the 'down special move'.

Meowth:

A: Scratch
AAA: Combo with scratches.
Side Smash A: Scratch strong.
Up Smash A: Similar to 'Smash Side A', only up.
The Down Smash: Roundhouse with the syrup.

B: Pay Day
Side B: Bite
Up B: Fury Swipes
Down B: Cut

 

[Barbasol]

I'd feel prouder calling myself a Mewtwo main than a . . . Giovanni main.

Yeah, me too, but Giovanni'd be a more bang for your buck scenario.

But the problem with going trainers would be that... why would these pokemon be confined to a trainer while Jigglypuff is it's own thing, or Lucario. Pikachu still makes sense since it's the mascot.

Or... if we were to go exclusively trainers....

Boom, almost EVERYONE who wants a pokemon in is happy.... cept for Darkraiers.

Pokemon Master
Pikachu-Jigglypuff-Victini*
Pokemon Trainer
Squirtle-Ivysaur-Charizard
Rival
Meowth*-Lucario*-Zoroark*
Giovanni
Mewtwo*-Deoxys*-Genesect*

Dunno, seems like any more than 1 trainer and it should all be trainer based or else it gets weird.

@Sonic

Yeah, that's a nice set, the problem is noone really wants those pokemon in the game. Good ideas though!

Team Rocket would be a GREAT AT

 

[Greave]

That will make a lot of people happy, but upset a lot of others.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Question: do Giovanni, Crystal, or Gary have any background behind themselves in their games? I haven't played Pokemon in while.

Good question, Giovanni is the leader of the Team Rocket organization so that alone made him important to the series acting has the "real" bad guy during the 1st generation, Gary aka Blue is Red's main rival and constantly appears during Red's travels, acting has his real rival during 1st generation, as for Crystal she really isn't as significant in the 2nd generation but she is a female trainer which is why I mentioned her, of course if there is a newer generation trainer that's female then yes, I could easily see them as well.

In general, I'm against alternate costumes if they are made to mimic a character who is absolutely separate and completely different from the character with the costume, especially if that costume character has a background. That's why, for example, I do not agree with giving Peach a complete Daisy costume; it's treating Daisy just like that, a skin you put over someone else when they're capable of more than that. It's disrespecting the background and abilties of that other character.

If a costume is of a character who is the same as the character it is a costume of - for example, overalls Wario and WarioWare Wario -, then I have no problem against it. But if it's mimicking a character who could stand on their own perfectly fine in Smash Bros. and is entirely separate from that character, then I absolutely 100% against it.

It's not even based on whether a character is deserving for Smash Bros. or not - Daisy isn't deserving, for example. But treating her as a "skin" you can throw over some other character is making a fool of that character and saying "she couldn't do anything herself". "She's only worthy of being a costume".

I totally agree with what you are saying, a character that is has potential as an individual and is somewhat important to any series shouldn't have to get in as an alt. costume, the way I see it is that alt. costumes should only be used as an alternate apperance of the same character, (example Mario having his Dr. Mario costume not a Wario palette swap as he did in Melee) and shouldn't be used as swap of another existing character, so yes I am agaisnt that idea as well.

What I was trying to say about Pokemon Trainer is that Sakurai should create and alt theme of Pokemon Trainer meaning that the alt. would have his own unique design, it wouldn't make sense to give him a female palette swap like I mentioned, though it would be lulz

 

[Sonic Poke]

Yeah, me too, but Giovanni'd be a more bang for your buck scenario.

But the problem with going trainers would be that... why would these pokemon be confined to a trainer while Jigglypuff is it's own thing, or Lucario. Pikachu still makes sense since it's the mascot.

Or... if we were to go exclusively trainers....

Boom, almost EVERYONE who wants a pokemon in is happy.... cept for Darkraiers.

Pokemon Master
Pikachu-Jigglypuff-Victini*
Pokemon Trainer
Squirtle-Ivysaur-Charizard
Rival
Meowth*-Lucario*-Zoroark*
Giovanni
Mewtwo*-Deoxys*-Genesect*

Dunno, seems like any more than 1 trainer and it should all be trainer based or else it gets weird.

Is All trainers?! would be strange, no fun.

@Sonic

Yeah, that's a nice set, the problem is noone really wants those pokemon in the game. Good ideas though!

Team Rocket would be a GREAT AT

Thanks!