New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Deleted member]

Now thinking about it, I don't think Lucario have a Pokemon movie origin will affect him anymore, as a matter of fact, may have helped him get into Brawl. Still think that he's in danger of being replaced in SSB4, thought.

As much as I hate to say this, we will never see Balloon Fighter in SSB4 or any Smash game as playable. Which is a shame because he could a decent WTF character. That and Sukapon not being able to get in means that no retro characters stands a good chance of getting in.

I want Board The Platform back. I'm sure we all loved that one.

Melee was like.... 26-27 I think? Brawl is 40. N64 was 12.

Melee had 25 if you didn't count the Zelda/Sheik transformation. Brawl had thirty-five not counting the Zero Suit Samus/Samus transformation, previously said transformation, and changing between Charizard, Ivysaur, and Squirtle with Pokemon Trainer. I highly doubt the creator takes those in comparisons.

Personally, I don't mind them putting in as many characters as possible, under the condition that the character is good and fits into the Smash universe. However, depending on who stays and the newcomers, mid-40s to early 50s is realistic.[COLLAPSE="Review of Scciky's character roster"]

This is my modest 45 character dream-roster, trying not to cut any characters I think are significant. Fair enough, after Brawl, I can easily see this happen. Now a better question is, how does the characters you suggest fare?

F-Zero: 2
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow (Give Ganon a new moveset, leave me a character that hits like the boston molasses disaster, also I've wanted to Falcon Punch this guy for a while now)

I know this is nitpicking, but I think we'll be seeing Samurai Goroh instead, but Black Shadow would be a good bet as well if Samurai Goroh is Assist Trophy again. So this starts off good.

Donkey Kong: 3
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

Super Mario: 6
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Paper Mario (Deserves it)
Geno (Unlikely, but I think the Mario RPG's are deserving of 2 reps and who better than Geno?)

As cool as Geno would be, he's probably not getting in and if he does get in, it'll be as a third-party character. Plus he's from Square Enix, so I highly doubt Nintendo would negotiate a deal to get a sidekick character in.

Paper Mario could happen, but I can't really see him get in before Bowser Jr. does. That said, six rep is certainly possible, so we could see both Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario, but I'm only expecting five.

Warioware: 1
Wario (Do we really need more?)

Ice Climbers: 1
The Ice Climbers

Yoshi: 1
Yoshi

The Legend of Zelda: 6
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link (New moveset, slightly)
Vaati (Why not make it 2 for the toons, he's also the second most prominent Zelda villain)
Midna (I'd rather have Skull Kid but I'm not sure what he'd do)

I don't think we'll be seeing Vaati or Midna in the game. Toon Zelda/Sheik will get in before those two due to being planned for Brawl and I even doubt that happening since she'll be a clone of Zelda/Sheik. We don't even know if Toon Link will return or be dropped for SSB4.

Star Fox: 3
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Meh, I'd prefer if Krystal was added to the list, but this works.

Fire Emblem: 3
Marth
Lyn (Marth + Captain Falcon? :D)
Ike

Pokemon: 5
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Silver (Totodile, Bayleef, Typhlosion)

We don't need a second Pokemon Trainer in the game, it's a waste of a slot. We're more likely to get Mewtwo back before we see a second Pokemon Trainer in the game and we're much, much more likely to see one of Lucario/Zoroark/other 5th gen Pokemon appear in the next Smash.

(The only Gen V pokemon I'd want is Scrafty)

Pikmin: 1
Olimar

Metroid: 2
Samus
Ridley (Bowser's been huge before too, no reason you can't downsize)

Sonic the Hedgehog: 1
Sonic

Metal Gear Solid: 1
Snake

Megaman: 1
Megaman

Mother: 2
Lucas
Claus (Arm Cannon, sword, lightning, bat wings, pretty much one of the coolest characters you can ask for)

This is highly unlikely to happen. Even thought Lucas was a starter in Brawl, Ness was a starter in Melee and is more popular then Lucas. Plus Lucas is a clone while Ness is original. Doing this move would infuriate many fans of the game, myself included. Also, the franchise is dead, so Claus is probably not coming.

Kirby: 3
Kirby
Metaknight
King DeDeDe

Kid Icarus: 1
Pit

You might want to consider a second rep for the game, considering that Sakurai is making Kid Icarus: Uprising. If it does well, his biasness will probably get a new character in from this section.

No More Heroes: 1
Travis Touchdown (Would just be funny)

In a roster of 45, there's not really any room for a fourth third-party character. If the game gets into the 50s, then we'll talk about Travis Touchdown or other third-party character coming to SSB4 or future games.

Golden Sun: 1
Isaac

More likely then not going to be handheld exclusive, we need to take into consideration that the game is coming to the handheld as well and as such, we will probably get system exclusive characters.

It's a good roster, evne if there's a few questionable additions.

82/100.[/COLLAPSE][COLLAPSE="Review of berserker01's character roster."]

Mario universe:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad

If there is a newcomer... It's most likely Toad in my opinion. I'd like Toad to get in but I won't rage or cry if he isn't in.
Edit: Okay, maybe I will but I'm not a fanboy. I just think he has everything he needs to be in SSB 4

Like I said before, I doubt Toad will make it into SSB4 and I think Bowser Jr. will come in instead.

Zelda universe:
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
(Insert filler, character or whatever. I don't know :/)

One of the Young Link's are the most likely to return. Either the one from Ocarina of Time or Toon Link.

Donkey Kong universe:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K rool

Would be nice to see all four in SSB4 and the two newcomers stands a strong chance of appearing, but I think Dixie Kong is more likely to be Diddy's sidekick this time around.

Metroid universe:
Samus/Zero suit
Ridley

Kirby universe:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Yoshi universe:
Yoshi

Warioware universe:
Wario

Star Fox universe:
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

F-Zero universe:
Captain Falcon

Pokemon universe:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
(Some free slots for some pokemons or trainers. I don't mind whoever)

At least give us something. There's no reason not to expect at least Pokemon Trainer or a 5th Gen Pokemon.

Earthbound universe:
Ness
Lucas

Pikmin universe:
Olimar

Retro:
Ice Climbers
Balloon Man
ROB
Mr. Game and Watch

Balloon Man will not appear in a Smash game as playable. Sakurai already deconfirmed him.

Kid Icarus universe:
Pit

I think we're getting a second Kid Icarus rep this time around. The most likely is Medusa.

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic
Megaman

(If possible) Square Enix:
Moogle
Some protagonist (Most likely Terra, Cecil or Cloud)

This has a low chance of occurring, don't get your hope up. Moogle is a generic Final Fantasy character, so he has next to zero chance of being playable in the next Smash. There are also no consistent major protagonists in the game, so good luck with see them in the next Smash. Plus as you probably know, you must take into account that it's going to be difficult for any Square Enix content to come to the game.

A mostly good roster and a roster I wouldn't mind playing with. There are some choice that I do question, but it's mostly good.

84/100.[/COLLAPSE]

See more resones to add her she could repesent super mario galaxy and they could even add a galaxy level Rosalina duess not have to be a main character in galaxy to get in smash 4.Look at peach shes not all ways been a main character in mario games and she got in smash 2 so i think in some ways she has a chance this time...

I like bowser jr and toad but zach tackle it would be real nice to have more femmales than males lol i no shes only been in 3 games and bowse jr has been in way more so has toad to but my hole point in supporting her is cose theres not a nuff femmales in smash

By the way Square Enix/ and nintendo are collaborating on a new game i wonder if we will see any square enix characters in smash 4?

Heres a link

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174903p1.html

- They can add a Super Mario Galaxy level without Rosalina as playable. Peach is also much more important then Rosalina. Furthermore if your main reason is because she's female, then you really should drop support for her. The best that I can see her is a Assist Trophy.

Also, I highly doubt Square Enix characters are coming. A spin-off crossover game is not going to make the company consider any character for the game.

-Geno
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Midna
-Vaati
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun
-Meowth
-Sylux
-Dark Samus
-Saki
-Krystal
-Samurai Gorah
-Black Shadow
-Lyn
-Hector
-Roy
-Sigurd
-Micaiah
-Ray (Custom Robo)
-Lip
-Any Mother character
-Any Advance Wars character not from Days of Ruin

The Pokemon are iffy, but I included them because none of them are part of the "National Dex" in any of their games, and therefore I can't really say they are featured. Even Isaac is at risk due to his small role in the Golden Sun sequel.

I find this list to be ridiculous. You basically cut off the vast majority of potential newcomers in the game that people want. What also must be taken into account is the demands that they get and I'm pretty sure that quite a few of these are in high demand. Also, I believe the cut-off date was 2006, so characters from 2007 I don't consider irrelevant yet. Also, relevance to the series isn't the only factor in getting a character in, it's not even a requirement. You say that Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Roy, and Plusle & Minun have no chance, yet they were considered for Brawl, the team just didn't have time to finish. I would not be surprise if one of them makes it for SSB4 as a playable character. When SSB4 comes around, I guarantee you this; at least one of these characters will be playable. I'll explain with some of those on why they're possible if you wish.

 

[Fatmanonice]

We did get a number of popular characters. My argument never claimed otherwise. The popular characters he didn't include (Ridley, Krystal) were not included for a reason. We don't know why, but its safe to say that Sakurai had his reasons.



It was in an interview, I'll try to find it. Sakurai said that he didn't want to include Wario in Smash until the Warioware series made him change his mind.



Except her chances aren't legitimate. Sakurai consciously decided not to include her in Brawl. Maybe he didn't like her. Maybe he didn't think her moveset would fit. Whatever the reason, he did not think she was worthy of a spot in the roster despite her popularity. If no other games are coming out that would possibly change Sakurai's mind on the character, why on earth would he change his mind on her inclusion?




You're ignoring the main point of my argument.



Moveset potential was an example, but that quote actually helps my argument so thank you. When Sakurai created Brawl, he clearly didn't think that characters like Krystal, Geno, Bowser Jr, etc "brought something new to Smash" or he would have included them. If some of these characters have not appeared in games since Brawl, why would Sakurai suddenly think they do "bring something new to Smash?" What about these characters would change his mind?



My argument is based 100% on logic and past installments. The majority of people from 2005-2008 assumed popularity was the main factor in whether a character got in or not.

It sounds like you're bitter that I proved these characters will not be in a new Smash and you're lashing out on me in response.

1. Again, you're claiming to know something that it unknown. We don't know why certain characters weren't included because Sakurai has never offically come out and said why certain characters weren't included. The main conclusion that you seem to be drawing is that "he didn't add them because he didn't like them." We don't know that. Maybe he ran out of time? Maybe he didn't want to dedicate a large amount of the game's development to adding new characters? Of course he had reasons but we don't know what they were so the arguement is ultimately a dead end.

2. That would be helpful to find.

3. We don't know why he said "no" to Krystal to begin with. Like I mentioned earlier, maybe it was an issue of time. For all we know, he could be enamored with Krystal because he hasn't said otherwise. Also, contrary to your beliefs, people's opinions on old things can change with time. For example, I avoided the Fire Emblem franchise until 2009 because I thought it looked boring and tedious but once I started playing the games I was hooked. Also, going with your logic, Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, Metaknight, and Wolf being rejected for Melee should have sealed their fate and not gotten them into Brawl. In this kind of circumstance, only time can tell because all we can go off of is conjecture and theories.

4. Not really. The arguement you were making was that they were no longer relevant but the truth of the matter is that they are because, for Krystal, she's still a main character in Star Fox and, for Dark Samus, there's only been one new Metroid game released after Corruption.

5. How do you know this? You're talking as if you exchange e-mails with Sakurai on a daily basis. Again, we don't know why they weren't added. Also, refer to the bolded sentence in rebuttal 2.

6. Your arguement is based on conjecture because what you say is true hasn't been proven without a shadow of a doubt. Until Sakurai comes out and says "I didn't include Pigglywigglyman because...", you can't say that your arguement is based on logic. In short, you lack evidence that what you say is true. It could be true or it might not be. Who knows? Nobody right now. The reality of things is that even supposed logic falls apart when its foundation is made of sand.

7. I'd like to think that at 23 years old that I'm above jumping down some random person on the internet's throat over character preferences. I'll admit that there were times that I was like this during Brawl's pre-release days but now I don't really care that much compared to those days. My main issue is that you're presenting your opinions as facts. As I keep saying, we don't know a lot of things because offical statements haven't been made. Also, Sakurai is entitled to throw curve balls if he wants. Snake, Mr. Game and Watch, and ROB prove that well enough. In short, we don't know everything and sometimes unexpected things happen.

 

[ChronoBound]

Krystal is about to reemed with a rake. Star Fox 64 3D is going to create a whole new generation of Wolf and Falco fans, and a whole new generation of Star Fox fans who don't know who she is.

Also, Smash Bros. has a tendency to borrow most of its content from the most recent release (at the time development begins). Why should Star Fox have four characters, and why should Wolf or Falco be cut for her in light in that she was not in the most recent release and both Wolf and Falco being far more popular characters than Krystal (especially among the Japanese fanbase).

As to Geno, I think a one-shot character like him is only fit for Assist Trophy status. Its sad how cultish the Super Mario RPG fanbase is (and this is coming from someone who thinks SMRPG is among the best RPGs of all time). Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario are all far better selections for a fifth Mario character than a third-party one-shot. Heck, I would think even Waluigi would be a better addition, since at least he is KNOWN by most Mario fans.

Really, the Smash fanbase's ever climbing levels of idiocy is the reason why I rarely write in these topics any more, and while I will definitely not be sticking around for Smash 5.

 

[refugee]

Realy im so sorry i can put a smile where ever i dang well pleas!!!

And like this is not a school forum so i like can spell how ever i pleas!!

If ya cant tack my post seriusly then mabe you have a problem!!




I thought this forum was about the next super smash bros NOT TO BASH PEOPLE ABOUT THERE SPELLING!!!

Alright I was just trying to help you but if you want to spell like you're ******** then sure go ahead. Also someone else has also said to improve your spelling. Do you see anyone else here spelling like you do?

EDIT: I'm not bashing you, I'm telling you how you can make it easier on the eyes for people that read your posts and therefore improve discussion about the next SSB.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Alright I was just trying to help you but if you want to spell like you're ******** then sure go ahead. Also someone else has also said to improve your spelling. Do you see anyone else here spelling like you do?

EDIT: I'm not bashing you, I'm telling you how you can make it easier on the eyes for people that read your posts and therefore improve discussion about the next SSB.

...Iv seen what people have said what i should do i dont think i need to spell like every one eles.. and how do you no im NOT RETARTED?

Next time i post any thing ill google evey word so i no im spelling just right so it wont bother you and evey one eles on this forum!!

 

[Disfunkshunal]

...Iv seen what people have said what i should do i dont think i need to spell like every one eles.. and how do you no im NOT RETARTED?

Next time i post any thing ill google evey word so i no im spelling just right so it wont bother you and evey one eles on this forum!!

Please and thank you. This thread lacks bomberman support

 

[Bassoonist]

As to Geno, I think a one-shot character like him is only fit for Assist Trophy status. Its sad how cultish the Super Mario RPG fanbase is (and this is coming from someone who thinks SMRPG is among the best RPGs of all time). Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario are all far better selections for a fifth Mario character than a third-party one-shot. Heck, I would think even Waluigi would be a better addition, since at least he is KNOWN by most Mario fans.

Yeah, people have blown Geno's chances out of proportion.

For some reason I caught onto the Geno bandwagon in the pre-Brawl days. I have no idea why I thought he had any kind of chance. He is an obscure character from an obscure Mario game and might have licensing issues getting him into the game.

I wouldn't say for sure that he's at 0% chance of happening, BUT people need to stop acting like he's likely to get in at all.

...Iv seen what people have said what i should do i dont think i need to spell like every one eles.. and how do you no im NOT RETARTED?

Next time i post any thing ill google evey word so i no im spelling just right so it wont bother you and evey one eles on this forum!!

Actually, all you need is Firefox as your browser. It underlines words that are spelled wrong and has suggestions for how to spell it right, just like on Microsoft Word.

However, I will say this, people getting onto you for your spelling need to stop. Your posts are still readable, so it is irrelevant.

 

[ChronoBound]

On the topic of Bomberman, Hudson recently got bought out by Konami, and Konami upon acquiring Hudson made them cancel all of their games. Bomberman's future is in question because of this, in my opinion. Hudson basically no longer exists. The Bomberman game that was far along in development for the 3DS was also among the games that got cancelled.

 

[Gallowglass]

Krystal is about to reemed with a rake. Star Fox 64 3D is going to create a whole new generation of Wolf and Falco fans, and a whole new generation of Star Fox fans who don't know who she is.

Also, Smash Bros. has a tendency to borrow most of its content from the most recent release (at the time development begins). Why should Star Fox have four characters, and why should Wolf or Falco be cut for her in light in that she was not in the most recent release and both Wolf and Falco being far more popular characters than Krystal (especially among the Japanese fanbase).

As to Geno, I think a one-shot character like him is only fit for Assist Trophy status. Its sad how cultish the Super Mario RPG fanbase is (and this is coming from someone who thinks SMRPG is among the best RPGs of all time). Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario are all far better selections for a fifth Mario character than a third-party one-shot. Heck, I would think even Waluigi would be a better addition, since at least he is KNOWN by most Mario fans.

Really, the Smash fanbase's ever climbing levels of idiocy is the reason why I rarely write in these topics any more, and while I will definitely not be sticking around for Smash 5.

You might be right about her getting kicked because of the new SF64 game. I seriously don't believe Krystal will replace Falco or Wolf and it makes sense to have 4 slots of each character of a series (If there is four worthy characters). The only ones that beat her in Iconicness is Slippy and Peppy and can you imagine them as playable characters? Krystal is also unique because she has allied with both Fox and Wolf so it make sense seeing her tag team with wolf against Fox and Falco.

Who know they may add secret levels where you get to see what Krystal was doing during the times of Starfox 64.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Will konami have a hand in Mario party 9? If so then not all hope is loss for Hudson projects

 

[User33]

Also, going with your logic, Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, Metaknight, and Wolf being rejected for Melee should have sealed their fate and not gotten them into Brawl.

This right here tells me you do not understand my argument whatsoever which is kind of sad seeing how its not that difficult a concept to understand. I don't know how I can spell it out any clearer for you. Try reading my original post again, including the part where I outlined the games the characters you mentioned were in and try again.

 

[ChronoBound]

Will konami have a hand in Mario party 9? If so then not all hope is loss for Hudson projects

ND Cube is the one developing Mario Party 9. Its one of Nintendo's second-party studios, and it has A LOT of staff that worked on the Mario Party games. Last year they made Wii Party, which turned out to be a be a great success in terms of sales.

 

[User33]

Chronobound, I'm curious if you agree with the logic behind this post:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12843962&postcount=1132

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of Bomberman, Hudson recently got bought out by Konami, and Konami upon acquiring Hudson made them cancel all of their games. Bomberman's future is in question because of this, in my opinion. Hudson basically no longer exists. The Bomberman game that was far along in development for the 3DS was also among the games that got cancelled.

Considering that Bomberman was Hudson Soft's most popular series, I think he'll come back eventually with another title. I don't think he (Or any third-party characters aside Snake, Sonic, or Mega Man) has a good chance of being in Smash 4, but I would place him above Geno in terms of possibility for being in Smash.

 

[refugee]

...Iv seen what people have said what i should do i dont think i need to spell like every one eles.. and how do you no im NOT RETARTED?

Next time i post any thing ill google evey word so i no im spelling just right so it wont bother you and evey one eles on this forum!!

Thank you and don't forget to add periods where needed.

On topic:

I think Bomberman still has a shot to be a 3rd party representative. If Snake is ever taken out I see Bomberman being next in line to represent Konami.

 

[Deleted member]

I think Bomberman still has a shot to be a 3rd party representative. If Snake is ever taken out I see Bomberman being next in line to represent Konami.

I believe that he has a shot as well, but not a very good one. I highly doubt Konami would take out Snake for the next installment, considering how popular he is and how likely he will be in the next Smash. And even if he does get taken out and someone else gets in, I believe that we should also take into consideration Simon Belmont, who has as equally as (un)likely chance of getting into SSB4.

 

[ChronoBound]

Considering that Bomberman was Hudson Soft's most popular series, I think he'll come back eventually with another title. I don't think he (Or any third-party characters aside Snake, Sonic, or Mega Man) has a good chance of being in Smash 4, but I would place him above Geno in terms of possibility for being in Smash.

I concur with this. Personally, I don't think Bomberman has much of a chance for being a guest character in light of Hudson no longer existing, but I can still see a Bomberman game eventually being made. However, its important to note that Hudson's former staff is now being forced to do mostly mobile and social network games by Konami.

 

[Pseudomaniac]

...Iv seen what people have said what i should do i dont think i need to spell like every one eles.. and how do you no im NOT RETARTED?

Next time i post any thing ill google evey word so i no im spelling just right so it wont bother you and evey one eles on this forum!!

The problem is, when your spelling is that terrible, it makes you seem like a young child, which makes people a lot less likely to take your ideas seriously.

Anyhow, Krystal could probably get in if Sakurai wants her to. The problem is, we don't know Sakurai's opinion of her. Also, that would put Star Fox at 4 reps, which is equal to or more than several other more popular series, such as Fire Emblem and Legend of Zelda (if no new reps are added).

So, just for discussion purposes, here's my list of proposed reps for each series. Obviously, due to the sheer number, I don't expect all of them to make it in.

Mario
Bowser Jr.- He's become almost as prominent a villain as his father in the Mario games. In addition, his possession of the Magic Paintbrush could potentially make for an interesting moveset. Also, Smash needs more villains.
Paper Mario- Even though he's just Mario from an alternate universe, I think his papery qualities and use of sidekicks could be used for a good moveset. However, he may not be popular enough to warrant an inclusion in SSB4
Toad- I really don't like the idea of Toad as a playable character, but a lot of other people in the community do. He's also one of Mario's oldest recurring characters.
Fawful- A fan favorite villain. I haven't played either of the games he's appeared in, so I have no further comment.

Donkey Kong
King K. Rool- Everyone's favorite overweight, psychopathic crocodile. I think his apparent multiple-personality disorder, along with his status as a boxer, could make him a viable character. And, as I said earlier, smash needs more villains.
Dixie Kong- People have been clamoring for a female character and Dixie fits that role. However, without a pairup with Diddy she doesn't have much viability, and I'm pretty sure Diddy fans the world over would be up in arms if their favorite character were removed.

The Legend of Zelda
Vaati- The villain of several Zelda games. Popular among fans, and we could used more evil sorcerers.
Midna- A cult favorite, but her future in the Zelda series is up in the air. I'm pretty doubtful at this point that she'll appear again in Zelda or SSB.

Kid Icarus
Medusa- A pretty obvious addition seeing as how Sakurai developed Uprising. I wouldn't protest to a female villain either.

Metroid
Ridley- A fan favorite villain. If Sakurai changes his mind about sizing down Ridley, he's definitely the most viable new Metroid rep.
Dark Samus- A good backup in case Ridley doesn't work out, but I could easily see her becoming a clone of Samus.

Star Fox
Krystal- A fan favorite, but her relevance in the series is dwindling.
Leon- A seemingly popular Star Fox villain. Don't know much else about him.

Pokemon
Zoroark- A pretty obvious replacement for Lucario. He could potentially have an interesting moveset too.
Mewtwo- There's a lot of clamoring for his return, but I'm kind of doubtful. He could use a shot at redemption from his terrible performance in Melee though. Plus, as I keep saying, more villains are needed in the series.
Alternate Pokemon Trainer- I've heard a lot of people mention this. Personally, I see this as a bit unnecessary, but I'm also not a huge Pokemon fan.

Every other series I either believe does not need a new rep (Yoshi, Wario, Kirby) or I'm not educated enough about the series to have an opinion (Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Earthbound). I'm also not discussing the retro character's series, third parties, or new franchises.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

ND Cube is the one developing Mario Party 9. Its one of Nintendo's second-party studios, and it has A LOT of staff that worked on the Mario Party games. Last year they made Wii Party, which turned out to be a be a great success in terms of sales.

I hope they don't ruin it. IMO Mario party was >>>>>> wii party. It just wasn't what I was expecting.

Edit: my point was already made a couple times. Wow this thread is quick.

 

[Fatmanonice]

There really isn't anything that says that Star Fox can't have four reps. Excessive for such a small franchise, yes, but that didn't stop it from getting more reps than Fire Emblem which has twice as many games under its belt and is three years older. If anything, I think Krystal would be all too easy to add especially with how she's been playable in all three games she's been in so making a moveset for her would be a cinch. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think people really care that much about franchise representation as long as they don't go overboard with certain franchises (Mario and Pokemon come to mind) or completely neglect those with high potential (Golden Sun and Punch-Out come to mind).

Also, according to Miyamoto at E3 this year, if Star Fox 64 3D doesn't sell, Nintendo's discontinuing the franchise so there's even the possibility that Star Fox may even lose reps by the time SSB4 rolls around.

 

[ChronoBound]

Another third-party character that I think should be talked about is Ryu Hyabusha of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.

Lately, Tecmo and Nintendo have been pretty tight. Tecmo has developed Metroid Other M, and had Nintendo publish the latest two Fatal Frame games. Also, an original Ninja Gaiden game got made for the DS and an original Dead or Alive game got made for the 3DS. Ninja Gaiden 3 is also being made for the Wii U, and an all-original Ninja Gaiden is also being made exclusively for the Wii U.

I think a Tecmo character may be a bit of a dark horse in terms of third-party characters for Smash 4.

 

[Bassoonist]

Also, according to Miyamoto at E3 this year, if Star Fox 64 3D doesn't sell, Nintendo's discontinuing the franchise so there's even the possibility that Star Fox may even lose reps by the time SSB4 rolls around.

Are we sure he was serious when he said that?

He said the same thing about the Legend of Zelda series, so I don't know if we should take it seriously.

 

[Conviction]

-____- how is Lucas a clone?

Their specials move different, look different, and have different effects. I already posted the definition of a clone, and Lucas doesn't fit it.

Fox and Falco in Melee is a way better comparison. Has Melee gotten everyone thinking, "OMGZ HE IS FROM THE SAME SERIES, HE HAS TO BE A CLONEZ?!?!"

 

[Big-Cat]

Also, according to Miyamoto at E3 this year, if Star Fox 64 3D doesn't sell, Nintendo's discontinuing the franchise so there's even the possibility that Star Fox may even lose reps by the time SSB4 rolls around.

I thought it was just that if the game wasn't good enough, they'd discontinue the series. I don't remember anything about sales. And besides, there are so many factors involving sales that you can't chalk it up to game quality alone. After all, Earthbound might've been more successful if it didn't have pretty RPGs like Chrono Trigger as competition and a counter-productive ad campaign.

@Iblis
Sure, he plays nothing like Ness, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Sakurai's most creative thing with Lucas' specials was to make PK Fire a Hadouken in the air.

 

[Deleted member]

Another third-party character that I think should be talked about is Ryu Hyabusha of Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.

Lately, Tecmo and Nintendo have been pretty tight. Tecmo has developed Metroid Other M, and had Nintendo publish the latest two Fatal Frame games. Also, an original Ninja Gaiden game got made for the DS and an original Dead or Alive game got made for the 3DS. Ninja Gaiden 3 is also being made for the Wii U, and an all-original Ninja Gaiden is also being made exclusively for the Wii U.

I think a Tecmo character may be a bit of a dark horse in terms of third-party characters for Smash 4.

You have a very good point there and I would love to see him in the next Smash. I remember renting that DS Ninja Gaiden game in July, 2008 and not only enjoying the game, but thinking about the potential Ryu Hyabusha would have for the next Smash. M rated or not, he would do great and he was popular back in the NES days as well, so we could see either the NES or recent incarnation in the next Smash if he does appear.

He's one of the very few third-party characters aside from obviously Mega Man that if the roster is expansive enough, doesn't really have a very poor chance of getting in. It helps that Tecmo was also the first third-party supporter of the Virtual Console.

 

[Gallowglass]

Legend of Zelda has four Reps. Link, Zelda/Shiek, Ganondorf, and Toon Link.

I think the reason why FE hasn't go more characters is because they are still relatively new in the States. In Melee I had no clue who Marth and Roy was. Plus a few of the games that were release were ports from SNES (Fire Emblem for the Gameboy Advance). I don't know much about FE myself I've only seen my roomate play part of the Gameboy Advance and I played a little bit of the beginning of Radiant Dawn.

 

[ChronoBound]

Also, according to Miyamoto at E3 this year, if Star Fox 64 3D doesn't sell, Nintendo's discontinuing the franchise so there's even the possibility that Star Fox may even lose reps by the time SSB4 rolls around.

Well, Miyamoto did say in an interview 2 or 3 years ago that he was disappointed in the sales of the newer Star Fox and F-Zero games. I think by re-releasing Star Fox 64 (which is by far the most popular game in the series) he is hoping to resurrect interest in the series (especially in Japan).

Since F-Zero never had a game that was extremely successful in terms of sales (aside from F-Zero for the SNES and Maximum Velocity for the GBA, both of which were launch titles), the F-Zero series got overlooked for a port resurrection. However, a 3DS port of F-Zero X with the 64DD Expansion Kit extras would be great.

On a side note, I keep hearing a rumor that Star Fox 64 3D is the beginning of a series reboot. If that is the case, then Krystal can very much be erased from the series entirely.

Also, on the topic of character popularity to the series, interestingly enough, Slippy is the fourth-most popular character of Star Fox in Japan, with Leon in fifth. Krystal and Peppy are supposedly tied for popularity. I guess Japan simply likes flamboyant annoying characters, which explains their interest in Tingle.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This right here tells me you do not understand my argument whatsoever which is kind of sad seeing how its not that difficult a concept to understand. I don't know how I can spell it out any clearer for you. Try reading my original post again, including the part where I outlined the games the characters you mentioned were in and try again.

I've already gone into this: you argued that some people were no longer relevant but I showed that they were still relevant. Part of your arguement is built on how if characters are rejected in one game, they will be rejected in another because, in a sense, Sakurai already made a ruling on them. Also, there's really no need to talk down to me especially since all we're talking about is video games. Remember, I'm still a person on the other side so, do me a favor, and don't throw social tact entirely out the window just because we're on the internet.

 

[UberMario]

-____- how is Lucas a clone?

Their specials move different, look different, and have different effects. I already posted the definition of a clone, and Lucas doesn't fit it.

He's easily a clone:

-His B move is a special element that is guided by the control stick
-His side B move is a lightning bolt that spawns a fire
-His Up B is PK Thunder
-His Down B is PSI Magnet
-His FSmash is a wooden stick (as opposed to Ness' bat)
-His dash attack involves a spark
-His NAir is a spin
-His DAir is a stomp (with added effects and hitboxes)
-His throws are executed similarly

Though he does have a few unique attacks (i.e. his USmash), he's, for the most part, a clone.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

The problem is, when your spelling is that terrible, it makes you seem like a young child, which makes people a lot less likely to take your ideas seriously.

Anyhow, Krystal could probably get in if Sakurai wants her to. The problem is, we don't know Sakurai's opinion of her. Also, that would put Star Fox at 4 reps, which is equal to or more than several other more popular series, such as Fire Emblem and Legend of Zelda (if no new reps are added).

So, just for discussion purposes, here's my list of proposed reps for each series. Obviously, due to the sheer number, I don't expect all of them to make it in.

Mario
Bowser Jr.- He's become almost as prominent a villain as his father in the Mario games. In addition, his possession of the Magic Paintbrush could potentially make for an interesting moveset. Also, Smash needs more villains.
Paper Mario- Even though he's just Mario from an alternate universe, I think his papery qualities and use of sidekicks could be used for a good moveset. However, he may not be popular enough to warrant an inclusion in SSB4
Toad- I really don't like the idea of Toad as a playable character, but a lot of other people in the community do. He's also one of Mario's oldest recurring characters.
Fawful- A fan favorite villain. I haven't played either of the games he's appeared in, so I have no further comment.

Donkey Kong
King K. Rool- Everyone's favorite overweight, psychopathic crocodile. I think his apparent multiple-personality disorder, along with his status as a boxer, could make him a viable character. And, as I said earlier, smash needs more villains.
Dixie Kong- People have been clamoring for a female character and Dixie fits that role. However, without a pairup with Diddy she doesn't have much viability, and I'm pretty sure Diddy fans the world over would be up in arms if their favorite character were removed.

The Legend of Zelda
Vaati- The villain of several Zelda games. Popular among fans, and we could used more evil sorcerers.
Midna- A cult favorite, but her future in the Zelda series is up in the air. I'm pretty doubtful at this point that she'll appear again in Zelda or SSB.

Kid Icarus
Medusa- A pretty obvious addition seeing as how Sakurai developed Uprising. I wouldn't protest to a female villain either.

Metroid
Ridley- A fan favorite villain. If Sakurai changes his mind about sizing down Ridley, he's definitely the most viable new Metroid rep.
Dark Samus- A good backup in case Ridley doesn't work out, but I could easily see her becoming a clone of Samus.

Star Fox
Krystal- A fan favorite, but her relevance in the series is dwindling.
Leon- A seemingly popular Star Fox villain. Don't know much else about him.

Pokemon
Zoroark- A pretty obvious replacement for Lucario. He could potentially have an interesting moveset too.
Mewtwo- There's a lot of clamoring for his return, but I'm kind of doubtful. He could use a shot at redemption from his terrible performance in Melee though. Plus, as I keep saying, more villains are needed in the series.
Alternate Pokemon Trainer- I've heard a lot of people mention this. Personally, I see this as a bit unnecessary, but I'm also not a huge Pokemon fan.

Every other series I either believe does not need a new rep (Yoshi, Wario, Kirby) or I'm not educated enough about the series to have an opinion (Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Earthbound). I'm also not discussing the retro character's series, third parties, or new franchises.

Ummm my spelling is not at all terrible if it was that bad then how come you all reply to my post?

You all are makeing something out of nothing!


If you cant tack my ideas seriously then why bother reposting to what i say?

I thought i would make a few suggestions and you all start bashing me on how you all think i should spell!

Ill keep suggesting you all can bash till you fingers blead this forum is not as nice as i thought it was!

On topic ....It would be realy nice if they would re-add the randome items in boxes like the goombas and what nots i thought thos was nice

 

[Conviction]

What would you want him to do, when Ness/Lucas do have similar moveset pools to choose from.

Would you rather Lucas's specials to be the exact same? Think about it, if you get two similar characters, of course you are going to get similarities. I'm forreal yo, people complain about these "clones" but when it comes to Luigi now (he did get this fire in Melee though), they are mad quiet. Why is Luigi any different from, Lucas/Wolf/Falco?

IF we really have a problem with moves looking so similar, why haven't people complain how a lot of Bairs look and do basically the same thing? Check Kirby/DDD/Mario/Luigi/Wolf/etc.

@Uber

1. Electricity=/=Ice
2. They go in a different angle and the fire spawns are different, the hitbox(es) are different.
3. I give that one
4. Yes both absorb, but Lucas's has a hitbox, Ness's doesn't and has a windbox.
5. K, true
6&7. Is that really your argument? Wolf/Pika/Sonic's Nair are a spin. Might as well say Lucas and Ness's Fair are clonish.
8. Doesn't that make it different -____- and there are plenty dairs that are a "stomp"
9. True

 

[gsninja]

Legend of Zelda has four Reps. Link, Zelda/Shiek, Ganondorf, and Toon Link.

I think the reason why FE hasn't go more characters is because they are still relatively new in the States. In Melee I had no clue who Marth and Roy was. Plus a few of the games that were release were ports from SNES (Fire Emblem for the Gameboy Advance). I don't know much about FE myself I've only seen my roomate play part of the Gameboy Advance and I played a little bit of the beginning of Radiant Dawn.

None of the games we've gotten are ports. As a matter of fact, there are no ports in the series, just remakes of FE1 and 3 (FE11 and 12). "Fire Emblem" for the GBA is FE7, Blazing Sword, it just doesn't have a subtitle for whatever reason lol.

But you're definitely right about it being fairly new in the states. FE7 is the first game in the series to be translated, and aside from FE9, the games have been poorly advertised in the US, at least.

To be honest, I don't see FE getting more than two reps, at least not until one of Nintendo's big guns gets another rep, like DK or MEtroid.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I thought it was just that if the game wasn't good enough, they'd discontinue the series. I don't remember anything about sales. And besides, there are so many factors involving sales that you can't chalk it up to game quality alone. After all, Earthbound might've been more successful if it didn't have pretty RPGs like Chrono Trigger as competition and a counter-productive ad campaign.

I figured that he was referring to sales because why would you continue a franchise that doesn't sell well? From a developer's standpoint, this makes a lot of sense even if it means that outstanding games like Elite Beat Agents and the World Ends With You never get sequels.

 

[Conviction]

Now that I think about it. Peach's and Ness's Nair are the same. What about that?

 

[Llumys]

It seems that was only in Japan. I don't know why they did that since PS2 had Tales of the Abyss

I'm pretty sure the only flagship Tales games released for Nintendo consoles were Phantasia, Symphonia and Graces, and they've all been ported to Sony consoles. Every other flagship title has been released exclusively for a Sony console, excluding Vesperia, which has been ported, too.

Saying "they already had Tales of the Abyss" is stupid, because they already have everything...

 

[ChronoBound]

Another point I would like to bring up is the possibility of Young Link retaking his playable spot from Toon Link. Ocarina of Time 3D is going to be released next week, and a port of Majora's Mask would be very easy to do (considering that most of its assets are within Ocarina of Time).

With this in mind, Young Link would be the most recent incarnation of "young Link". Well, if he does return, his Final Smash should be Fierce Diety Link,

 

[refugee]

Ummm my spelling is not at all terrible if it was that bad then how come you all reply to my post?

You all are makeing something out of nothing!


If you cant tack my ideas seriously then why bother reposting to what i say?

I thought i would make a few suggestions and you all start bashing me on how you all think i should spell!

Ill keep suggesting you all can bash till you fingers blead this forum is not as nice as i thought it was!

On topic ....It would be realy nice if they would re-add the randome items in boxes like the goombas and what nots i thought thos was nice

If your spelling wasn't terrible people wouldn't be complaining about it.

We're responding to you so we can get you to type properly so we can take you more seriously.

That's because your spelling is so bad that it's distracting.

What? This is where proper spelling could of helped you out.

Another point I would like to bring up is the possibility of Young Link retaking his playable spot from Toon Link. Ocarina of Time 3D is going to be released next week, and a port of Majora's Mask would be very easy to do (considering that most of its assets are within Ocarina of Time).

With this in mind, Young Link would be the most recent incarnation of "young Link". Well, if he does return, his Final Smash should be Fierce Diety Link,

Is there anyone else out there that would rather not have multiple versions of the same character in the next game?

 

[Thino]

not contributing or anything , just telling you guys I love you , this thread makes me feel like its 2005-2007 again

keep the speculation GOING

 

[Bassoonist]

Another point I would like to bring up is the possibility of Young Link retaking his playable spot from Toon Link. Ocarina of Time 3D is going to be released next week, and a port of Majora's Mask would be very easy to do (considering that most of its assets are within Ocarina of Time).

With this in mind, Young Link would be the most recent incarnation of "young Link". Well, if he does return, his Final Smash should be Fierce Diety Link,

I don't agree with this.

Toon Link is a rep for the Zelda games with that style. Young Link is just a younger form of Link from Ocarina of Time (and Majora's Mask - but YL had no indications of being MM Link in Melee). Just because we're getting a OOT remake doesn't really mean anything. I don't think that's why TL replaced YL at all.

Toon Link is sure to be a style that we'll be seeing again. I just hope he gets a new moveset this time.

 

[UberMario]

What would you want him to do, when Ness/Lucas do have similar moveset pools to choose from.

Here are the potential moves that exist in the Earthbound universe:

-PSI Magnet
-PK Flash
-PK Freeze
-PK Fire
-PK Thunder
-PK Offense Down (drops opponent's knockback and damage-dealing capabilities for a few seconds)
-PK Defense Down (would work like a shield breaker)
-PK Paralysis (same)
-PK Brainshock (could cause the opponent to have a forced trip, or the above)
-PK Hypnosis (could work like Jigglypuff's sing)
-PK Healing (wouldn't work in Smash)
-PK Life Up (could heal 1% every second)
-PK Offense Up (if fully charged, could boost the next [different] attack by 10%)
-PK Defense Up (reduces flinching for a limited time)
-PK Quick Up (increases the character's speed for a limited time)
-PK Rockin' (Final Smash for Ness)
-PK Starstorm
-PK Shield/Counter/Psycho-Shield (reflector)
-PK Telepathy (could be a counter move)
-PK Teleport (recovery move)
-PK Ground (Mother 3-only move, would be similar to DK's down B)
-PK Refresh (wouldn't work in Smash)
-4-D Slip (recovery move)

You can't tell me that they couldn't give at least three Mother/Earthbound characters unique special movepools from this list.

Would you rather Lucas's specials to be the exact same? Think about it, if you get two similar characters, of course you are going to get similarities.

See the above.

I'm forreal yo, people complain about these "clones" but when it comes to Luigi now (he did get this fire in Melee though), they are mad quiet. Why is Luigi any different from, Lucas/Wolf/Falco?

Because at this point, the only things that Mario and Luigi have in common are their B moves and Up B moves, and the latter is very different in execution.

IF we really have a problem with moves looking so similar, why haven't people complain how a lot of Bairs look and do basically the same thing? Check Kirby/DDD/Mario/Luigi/Wolf/etc.

Because the majority of their movesets are different.