New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Gallowglass]

I'm not really a fan of 3rd parties but if they are going to add them then they should be Nintendo exclusive (Also Genisis, Neo Geo, and other wii ware titles). I know this isn't going to happen but there are many available characters.

Loyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia) Though I would rather have Regal
Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)
The all popular Geno (Mario RPG)
Nintendo Exclusive Dragon Warrior/Quest or Final Fantasy characters

 

[refugee]

I want to know why anyone would have a problem with this being the roster.

Too many 3rd party characters.

 

[Llumys]

Tales of Symphonia isn't a Nintendo exclusive; it was ported to the PS2.

 

[Gallowglass]

Tales of Symphonia isn't a Nintendo exclusive; it was ported to the PS2.

It seems that was only in Japan. I don't know why they did that since PS2 had Tales of the Abyss

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Rosalina I felt might have been an Ike sort of character. What character represented the most recent fire emblem extensions? Ike. So, he was added in to brawl. I thought Rosalina might fit that new representation feeling. Super Mario Galaxy is sort of the new age representation of the Mario series and someone like Rosalina was the newly added character into it.

I guess a more interesting topic though are any new 3rd party deals Nintendo will be lining up.

See more resones to add her she could repesent super mario galaxy and they could even add a galaxy level Rosalina duess not have to be a main character in galaxy to get in smash 4.Look at peach shes not all ways been a main character in mario games and she got in smash 2 so i think in some ways she has a chance this time...

I like bowser jr and toad but zach tackle it would be real nice to have more femmales than males lol i no shes only been in 3 games and bowse jr has been in way more so has toad to but my hole point in supporting her is cose theres not a nuff femmales in smash

By the way Square Enix/ and nintendo are collaborating on a new game i wonder if we will see any square enix characters in smash 4?

Heres a link

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174903p1.html

 

[smashmachine]

if i see anyone else mentioning that stupid wario "villian" i'm going to stab someone

 

[kenshen]

you know as long as we have some one from tales of the abyss like jade Curtis the necromancer im good

 

[refugee]

Okay,
I just can't picture Stafy, Tom Nook as complete fighters. I'll give Phoenix, and Tingle the benefit of the doubt. Also there's a lack of Ness on your roster. I can understand that as is him and Lucas are as good as clones but, as one of the original twelve I'd like to know why he gets the boot and not Lucas?

Rofl wut? Do you think Starfy is some character selling people like Tingle/Tom Nook? Just look up the video of the game he is in in action.

if i see anyone else mentioning that stupid wario "villian" i'm going to stab someone

Well the topic was just about to be dropped but then you said the above so now I have to ask "Why?"

 

[Bassoonist]

See more resones to add her she could repesent super mario galaxy and they could even add a galaxy level Rosalina duess not have to be a main character in galaxy to get in smash 4.Look at peach shes not all ways been a main character in mario games and she got in smash 2 so i think in some ways she has a chance this time...

The difference with Peach is that she is the princess in the vast majority of the main Mario series. She has been in a ton of games, and she is recognized as the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom.

They might definitely add a Super Mario Galaxy stage, but not a character.

 

[Berserker.]

See more resones to add her she could repesent super mario galaxy and they could even add a galaxy level Rosalina duess not have to be a main character in galaxy to get in smash 4.Look at peach shes not all ways been a main character in mario games and she got in smash 2 so i think in some ways she has a chance this time...

I like bowser jr and toad but zach tackle it would be real nice to have more femmales than males lol i no shes only been in 3 games and bowse jr has been in way more so has toad to but my hole point in supporting her is cose theres not a nuff femmales in smash

By the way Square Enix/ and nintendo are collaborating on a new game i wonder if we will see any square enix characters in smash 4?

Heres a link

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174903p1.html

About square enix, if there would be anyone representing square enix, it would be either moogle, black mage or slime. Maybe someone else. If you're thinking of someone among the Main final fantasy characters, it's either Cecil (SNES/DS), Terra (SNES/ Soon 3DS) or Bartz. I don't like the idea of Cloud in SSB 4 but maybe his fanbase is enough for him but he NEVER appeared in any nintendo console

Also.... Please improve your spelling and grammar

Edit: FF VI or V 3DS source

 

[gsninja]

About square enix, if there would be anyone representing square enix, it would be either moogle, black mage or slime. Maybe someone else. If you're thinking of someone among the Main final fantasy characters, it's either Cecil (SNES/DS), Terra (SNES/ Soon 3DS) or Bartz. I don't like the idea of Cloud in SSB 4 but maybe his fanbase is enough for him but he NEVER appeared in any nintendo console

Also.... Please improve your spelling and grammar

Oh Cecil, how I would absolutely LOVE to see him. Or Kain.

 

[User33]

One important thing to keep in mind: Every single Brawl newcomer was featured in a game since the release of Melee and the release of Brawl with the exception of Retro characters. Sakurai will never include old characters within an existing series. Let's take a look:

Pit: Retro
R.O.B: Retro
Wario: Featured in Wario World, Super Mario 64 DS, Warioware series, Spinoffs, etc
Zero Suit Samus: Featured in Metroid: Zero Mission, Metroid Prime 2 and 3, Metroid Prime Hunters
Ike: Featured in Fire Emblem Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn
Pokemon Trainer: His Pokemon are featured in Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen
Diddy Kong: Featured in Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Country 2 for GBA, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Spinoffs, Donkey Konga, etc
Metaknight: Featured in Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, Kirby Air Ride, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Squeak Squad
Snake: Featured in Metal Gear Solid 3, 4, Acid, etc
Lucas: Featured in Mother 3
Sonic: Featured in Sonic Heroes, Sonic 2006, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc
King Dedede: Featured in Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Squeak Squad
Olimar: Featured in Pikmin 2
Lucario: Featured in Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
Toon Link: Featured in Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass
Wolf: Featured in Star Fox: Assault

The point of this is: Sakurai will not pick characters that have become less relevant by not appearing in games since the last installment in the Smash series. For whatever reason he left out the characters he did for a reason in Brawl, and he's not going to add a character in Smash WiiU if they haven't proven to be any more relevant by not appearing in a game since (except for Retro characters for obvious reasons).

Therefore, a short list of popular characters that we can confidently say have no chance of being in SSBWiiU:

-Geno
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Midna
-Vaati
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun
-Meowth
-Sylux
-Dark Samus
-Saki
-Krystal
-Samurai Gorah
-Black Shadow
-Lyn
-Hector
-Roy
-Sigurd
-Micaiah
-Ray (Custom Robo)
-Lip
-Any Mother character
-Any Advance Wars character not from Days of Ruin

The Pokemon are iffy, but I included them because none of them are part of the "National Dex" in any of their games, and therefore I can't really say they are featured. Even Isaac is at risk due to his small role in the Golden Sun sequel.

 

[Abel1994]

im glad i use a ccp now

i want shadow

 

[Revven]

Does anyone hope that Wario will be somewhat modified to be more similar to his Wario Land incarnation? I never really liked what they did with Wario in Brawl.

 

[Fatmanonice]

One important thing to keep in mind: Every single Brawl newcomer was featured in a game since the release of Melee and the release of Brawl with the exception of Retro characters. Sakurai will never include old characters within an existing series. Let's take a look:

The point of this is: Sakurai will not pick characters that have become less relevant by not appearing in games since the last installment in the Smash series. For whatever reason he left out the characters he did for a reason in Brawl, and he's not going to add a character in Smash WiiU if they haven't proven to be any more relevant by not appearing in a game since (except for Retro characters for obvious reasons).

Therefore, a short list of popular characters that we can confidently say have no chance of being in SSBWiiU:

-Geno
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Midna
-Vaati
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun
-Meowth
-Sylux
-Dark Samus
-Saki
-Krystal
-Samurai Gorah
-Black Shadow
-Lyn
-Hector
-Roy
-Sigurd
-Micaiah
-Ray (Custom Robo)
-Lip
-Any Mother character
-Any Advance Wars character not from Days of Ruin

I disagree with Krystal and Dark Samus. Krystal was Star Fox Command which is the last non-remake Star Fox and Dark Samus was in Metroid Prime 3 which was only released in 2007 so they're still relevant given how both Star Fox and Metroid haven't had many new installments since then. Everybody else I can agree with but I don't think that absolutely rules them out especially since another big thing that Sakurai looks for is how much people want them. With that being said even popular characters in virtually dead franchises like Mother and F-Zero may have a chance.

 

[User33]

I disagree with Krystal and Dark Samus. Krystal was Star Fox Command which is the last non-remake Star Fox and Dark Samus was in Metroid Prime 3 which was only released in 2007 so they're still relevant given how both Star Fox and Metroid haven't had many new installments since then. Everybody else I can agree with but I don't think that absolutely rules them out especially since another big thing that Sakurai looks for is how much people want them. With that being said even popular characters in virtually dead franchises like Mother and F-Zero may have a chance.

If Sakurai looked at popularity hard enough, we'd have characters like Ridley in Brawl but we don't. In the end, Sakurai considers how much he likes the character and if he thinks they have moveset potential. The only thing that will change his mind is new installments. Sakurai was completely against Wario's inclusion until the Warioware games changed his mind. This will be the case for every newcomer in SSBWiiU.

As for Krystal and Dark Samus, Krystal will not be in Starfox 64 3DS (making her chances non-existant) and Metroid Prime Corruption was referenced in Brawl, meaning that it was already taken into consideration. You're also forgetting Other M which came out after Corruption.

Some people may not like it, but I'm just using logic and past examples. The characters I listed will not be in the new game, count on it.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

If Sakurai looked at popularity hard enough, we'd have characters like Ridley in Brawl but we don't. In the end, Sakurai considers how much he likes the character and if he thinks they have moveset potential. The only thing that will change his mind is new installments. Sakurai was completely against Wario's inclusion until the Warioware games changed his mind. This will be the case for every newcomer in SSBWiiU.

Those characters you listed I feel probably won't make it. But, do you have any source for moveset potential? That seems like an odd criteria. From what I can tell, characters without any hint at a moveset would be the best because you can be completely creative on them and not have to worry about any restrictions to past games.

The only criteria I believed was necessary was how iconic a character was to a series or something like this. Lucario seemed like an odd pick, but being in the recent pokemon movie, it made sense people would recognize the movie mascot.

 

[DtJ Composer]

Technically Ridley was a character in brawl.

 

[User33]

Those characters you listed I feel probably won't make it. But, do you have any source for moveset potential? That seems like an odd criteria. From what I can tell, characters without any hint at a moveset would be the best because you can be completely creative on them and not have to worry about any restrictions to past games.

The only criteria I believed was necessary was how iconic a character was to a series or something like this. Lucario seemed like an odd pick, but being in the recent pokemon movie, it made sense people would recognize the movie mascot.

Well, the source of that would simply be their exclusion from Brawl. Look at Krystal. Present in many games between Melee and Brawl. Placed very high in popularity polls. Yet she wasn't a character in Brawl. From this we can conclude that either A) Sakurai wanted her in but couldn't think of a moveset or B) Sakurai did not want her in despite popularity/her important role in the series between the two games.

As Krystal has not appeared in a game since Brawl, there's nothing that could possibly change Sakurai's mind regardless of what the reasoning was for not including her. Therefore we can conclude that Krystal will not be in SSBWiiU.

 

[Captain Cruz]

Technically Ridley was a character in brawl.

Ridley was more like a boss.

 

[Captain Cruz]

One important thing to keep in mind: Every single Brawl newcomer was featured in a game since the release of Melee and the release of Brawl with the exception of Retro characters. Sakurai will never include old characters within an existing series. Let's take a look:

Pit: Retro
R.O.B: Retro
Wario: Featured in Wario World, Super Mario 64 DS, Warioware series, Spinoffs, etc
Zero Suit Samus: Featured in Metroid: Zero Mission, Metroid Prime 2 and 3, Metroid Prime Hunters
Ike: Featured in Fire Emblem Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn
Pokemon Trainer: His Pokemon are featured in Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen
Diddy Kong: Featured in Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Country 2 for GBA, Diddy Kong Racing DS, Spinoffs, Donkey Konga, etc
Metaknight: Featured in Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, Kirby Air Ride, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Squeak Squad
Snake: Featured in Metal Gear Solid 3, 4, Acid, etc
Lucas: Featured in Mother 3
Sonic: Featured in Sonic Heroes, Sonic 2006, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc
King Dedede: Featured in Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Squeak Squad
Olimar: Featured in Pikmin 2
Lucario: Featured in Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
Toon Link: Featured in Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass
Wolf: Featured in Star Fox: Assault

The point of this is: Sakurai will not pick characters that have become less relevant by not appearing in games since the last installment in the Smash series. For whatever reason he left out the characters he did for a reason in Brawl, and he's not going to add a character in Smash WiiU if they haven't proven to be any more relevant by not appearing in a game since (except for Retro characters for obvious reasons).

Therefore, a short list of popular characters that we can confidently say have no chance of being in SSBWiiU:

-Geno
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Midna
-Vaati
-Mewtwo
-Plusle & Minun
-Meowth
-Sylux
-Dark Samus
-Saki
-Krystal
-Samurai Gorah
-Black Shadow
-Lyn
-Hector
-Roy
-Sigurd
-Micaiah
-Ray (Custom Robo)
-Lip
-Any Mother character
-Any Advance Wars character not from Days of Ruin

The Pokemon are iffy, but I included them because none of them are part of the "National Dex" in any of their games, and therefore I can't really say they are featured. Even Isaac is at risk due to his small role in the Golden Sun sequel.

Why do you think that Lyn and Hector have no chances of being playable in ssb 4?
because of to many Fire Emblem characters or clones?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Why do you think that Lyn and Hector have no chances of being playable in ssb 4?
because of to many Fire Emblem characters or clones?

I would say simply because Roy already existed and is from the same series (only 20 years later from lyn/hector from the games timeline). He was featured in melee, and has a known moveset. I believe there is even data for roy's inclusion in brawl's coding, but simply never got finished due to time issues probably.

So, Roy simply has more priority over the other two since his background work is basically done and would only need a new look and update to fit in. If he does make a return, it would seem odd to have another character from the same time era in fire emblem.

 

[User33]

Why do you think that Lyn and Hector have no chances of being playable in ssb 4?
because of to many Fire Emblem characters or clones?

As I said in the main post, Sakurai made a conscious decision not to include Lyn (or Hector) as playable characters, including Lyn as an Assist Trophy. With no new games being released to potentially change his mind on these characters, they have little to no chance of being present in SSB4.

Possible choices for Fire Emblem include Gharnef, Caeda, a character from an upcoming FE, or no new Fire Emblem rep at all.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

As I said in the main post, Sakurai made a conscious decision not to include Lyn (or Hector) as playable characters, including Lyn as an Assist Trophy. With no new games being released to potentially change his mind on these characters, they have little to no chance of being present in SSB4.

Possible choices for Fire Emblem include Gharnef, Caeda, a character from an upcoming FE, or no new Fire Emblem rep at all.

Considering smash4 is probably a good 2-3 years away from completion, I would totally expect a new fire emblem game to hit the stores between that time and get a new cast to work with. The last fire emblem game done was the remake of FE3 back in 2010. The last main series title was Radiant Dawn back in 2007.

I think we are in for a new fire emblem game unless they do another remake. Of which Genealogy of the Holy War would be the next game to redo if they are going in order of release. So, for fire emblem, Marth, Roy, Ike, and another character from the remake or new game.

There is the possibility that the fire emblem series is dead in the US. The latest remake still has not seen a release even after a year later. Troubling news since all games have seen a NA launch since FE7. Whining interest in the series perhaps?

 

[Rosalina suporter]

The difference with Peach is that she is the princess in the vast majority of the main Mario series. She has been in a ton of games, and she is recognized as the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom.

They might definitely add a Super Mario Galaxy stage, but not a character.

Id think he would all so add rosalina cose galaxy whent so well id think he would add characters that had big rolls in games like she did im sure that sakurai could make some moves up for her..

I no shes not been in many games but 3 but smash 4 would be a graet new start for her

If not her theres more femmales they could add

I just felt since she was in mario kart wii that she would be a nice idea

Rosalina all so has special powers.

Rosalina is able to use her powers to surround the observatory in a force field, transforming it into a starship as a form of transportation. Also, she can be protected by a force field that resembles a bubble. If the player attempts to jump on her, the bubble would appear. Rosalina also has the ability to float in mid-air, just like the Lumas.

Oh by the way wart was all so in mario kart ds i think soo mabe he will show up in ssb 4

 

[M@v]

Im not going to make a big fancy list, but moreso say new characters I'd like to see:

-Krystal: Very important character since star fox adventures. In fact the only person more important than her was included in brawl(wolf). This will also even out the sf characters at 4. If she makes it; I'm hoping for both her tribal outfit and assault outfit as an alternate. She better not be another starfox clone though. She can have a completely unique moveset from the other 3 that has her using her staff and magic.

-Geno: I don't know if this will happen since square enix owns geno, but Im pretty sure nintendo really wants him in. Heck, they even had his "theme song"(the lost forest theme) on the brawl disc.

-Roy and Mewtwo return. Mewtwo should definitely return because of how iconic a pokemon he is, and everyone misses roy plus data for him was on the brawl disc.

-Saki/Isaac: I'd love to see these two assist trophies become full characters now

-Waluigi: Who doesn't want to see Mario and Luigi vs Wario and Waluigi in the next smash?

-Ridley?: I'm still torn on this, only because I tink ridley reduced down in size would look ******** as hell. He would probably still be the biggest character, but way too small for his proper proportions.

-Rosalina?: Too scared she would be a peach clone. Might be better to do a recolor like daisy. Unless they put the work in the make her completely different.



3rd party:

-megaman: Especially with sakurai's interest to work with capcom, megaman deserves it the most out of all the capcom cast since he's has countless games on nintendo's systems

-Zero: My most hoped-for character. His melee oriented playstyle in the games makes him a natural choice for fighting games, and he's had plenty of games on nintendo systems as well:
-Megaman x1 x2 x3(SNES)
-Megaman zero series(GBA)
-Megaman anniversary collection(gamecube).

He could have his normal build and his megaman zero style as an alternate costume. Or maybe even his megaman zero outfit with a special moveset for it.

If we see any other capcom characters, I'm going to say it would either come from street fighter(that would sooo weird though lol), or I feel it would be Leon from RE4 since the game was so successful and he's the most well-known RE character on nintendo titles.




Im sure there will be more new additions than these, but these are one's I'd like to see.

 

[Zap tackle]

Rosalina and Geno are interesting, but ignoring characters like Jr. and Toad just seems not right. Jr. and Toad (especially the latter) has had important recurring roles in the series and this is what makes them recognizable and iconic. Simply going for a newer character makes the other characters that Nintendo likes to use so frequently rather pointless as the Mario series needs to represent characters that are recognizable and important to their overall series. Other than internet based popularity, Toad and Jr. easily exceeds Geno and Rosalina as they are frequently mentioned in Mario sources and products.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I look forward to seeing how saturated this thread becomes in a couple of years lol

 

[Fatmanonice]

If Sakurai looked at popularity hard enough, we'd have characters like Ridley in Brawl but we don't. In the end, Sakurai considers how much he likes the character and if he thinks they have moveset potential. The only thing that will change his mind is new installments. Sakurai was completely against Wario's inclusion until the Warioware games changed his mind. This will be the case for every newcomer in SSBWiiU.

As for Krystal and Dark Samus, Krystal will not be in Starfox 64 3DS (making her chances non-existant) and Metroid Prime Corruption was referenced in Brawl, meaning that it was already taken into consideration. You're also forgetting Other M which came out after Corruption.

Some people may not like it, but I'm just using logic and past examples. The characters I listed will not be in the new game, count on it.

1. We didn't get Ridley but we got Sonic, Wario, Diddy Kong, Olimar, Metaknight, Pit, Lucario, Wolf, and King Dedede. All of them were very popular and more than half of them were in high demand even before Melee was released. Your arguement blatantly ignores the elephant in the room. We actually got a good number of popular characters but many people decided to piss and moan about it anyways.

2. Do you have proof that he didn't want Wario? He mentioned why he made Wario in the Wario Ware style but that wasn't the reason why he included him.

3. Why would Krystal be in a remake of a game that originally came out in 1997, five years before Krystal was introduced in Star Fox Adventures? As it stands, Krystal is still a member of the current Star Fox team and has not been cut out of the franchise so her chances are still legitimate.

4. Other M was one game and they were released two years apart from each other, that's not a huge divide. Let's compare this with someone like Midna. Twilight Princess was released in 2006 and since then there has been two more Zelda games and one (possibly two) more are on the way. This is a five year and three game divide.

5. What does Corruption being referenced in Brawl have to do with anything? Under that logic, Olimar shouldn't have been playable in Brawl because Pikmin was referenced in Melee. If this holds true then don't expect to see anything from Super Mario Galaxy in SSB4 either as that too was referenced in Brawl.

6. Sakurai has never said that moveset potential was something that he looks for. According to past interviews, he wants each character to "bring something new to smash" and that he "doesn't want to take them out of character for them to work in a fighting game." In the grand scheme of things, virtually anything and anyone could be given a moveset with a little bit of creativity so, as it stands, this is hardly an obstacle. His main issue is whether or not "a character makes sense" fighting in Smash. As far as all the former playable characters go, ROB's the only one that really goes against this given that, in reality, he was an NES accessory.

7. As someone who has been in discussions like this since 2005, don't claim what you don't know. Brawl made a lot of people eat crow, myself included, because we thought we had deduced what all was going to be in the game. Word to the wise, until offical details are released don't assume you've logically concluded things as esoteric as the inner workings of a game that probably won't be released for another four years and hasn't even offically began development yet.

 

[Remzi]

I want air dashes in this game ala the capcom vs games (preferably functioning like TvC where you get one air dash per mid-air jump). it opens up a LOT of options and speeds up the game quite a bit.

 

[Berserker.]

Id think he would all so add rosalina cose galaxy whent so well id think he would add characters that had big rolls in games like she did im sure that sakurai could make some moves up for her..

I no shes not been in many games but 3 but smash 4 would be a graet new start for her

If not her theres more femmales they could add

I just felt since she was in mario kart wii that she would be a nice idea

Rosalina all so has special powers.

Rosalina is able to use her powers to surround the observatory in a force field, transforming it into a starship as a form of transportation. Also, she can be protected by a force field that resembles a bubble. If the player attempts to jump on her, the bubble would appear. Rosalina also has the ability to float in mid-air, just like the Lumas.

She only had a major role which is in the Super Mario Galaxy series. Sure it was a great game but she only appeared in like a few Mario titles. I don't know if she'll appear in Mario Kart 3DS. The number of females does not matter in a game (Nothing against females here!).

Overall, she only had a small role in the WHOLE mario universe. She only had a major role in the Mario Galaxy series.

Rosalina cose? Huh? Rolls? Isn't it role? But 3? Graet? If not her theres more femmales they could add?? Umm.. Sorry. I'm not trying to tease you. Just improve your spelling and grammar '^_^

@BengalsRZ: Airdash.. Hmm... Sounds interesting.. It helps you recover. I think Smash doesn't need air dashes imo. It removes the purpose of recoveries (Slightly..)

 

[Revven]

-Roy and Mewtwo return. Mewtwo should definitely return because of how iconic a pokemon he is, and everyone misses roy plus data for him was on the brawl disc.

Both of these characters had data on the Brawl disc except they were just 0 KB files with just a name. There were other notables too on the disc in the same area as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them in the next game.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Both of these characters had data on the Brawl disc except they were just 0 KB files with just a name. There were other notables too on the disc in the same area as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them in the next game.

Mind mentioning some of those names. I only recall that mewtwo and roy made their name onto the disc, but not sure about others o.0

 

[Gallowglass]

I agree with Zap Tackle. Toad and Jr. are next on Mario roster. I think you have to look at how iconic they are throughout the entire series.

I don't mean to bash Geno but I believe he's highly unlikely to get in Smash for a few reasons.

1. He only appeared in one game (except a cameo in another) where his form changed in the end.

2. He's own by Square who they hate their fans (e.g. A true Chrono Trigger sequel with Chrono, Frog, Robo, etc. If you try to make your own they will stop you).

3. If Square wanted to bring back Geno then why hasn't he appeared in any of the sports games (which featured Final Fantasy characters instead).

I'm sure Geno is an amazing character with awesome moves but if Square wants a character to represent them then they will probably pick a more recent character.

 

[User33]

1. We didn't get Ridley but we got Sonic, Wario, Diddy Kong, Olimar, Metaknight, Pit, Lucario, Wolf, and King Dedede. All of them were very popular and more than half of them were in high demand even before Melee was released. Your arguement blatantly ignores the elephant in the room. We actually got a good number of popular characters but many people decided to piss and moan about it anyways.

We did get a number of popular characters. My argument never claimed otherwise. The popular characters he didn't include (Ridley, Krystal) were not included for a reason. We don't know why, but its safe to say that Sakurai had his reasons.

2. Do you have proof that he didn't want Wario? He mentioned why he made Wario in the Wario Ware style but that wasn't the reason why he included him.

It was in an interview, I'll try to find it. Sakurai said that he didn't want to include Wario in Smash until the Warioware series made him change his mind.

3. Why would Krystal be in a remake of a game that originally came out in 1997, five years before Krystal was introduced in Star Fox Adventures? As it stands, Krystal is still a member of the current Star Fox team and has not been cut out of the franchise so her chances are still legitimate.

Except her chances aren't legitimate. Sakurai consciously decided not to include her in Brawl. Maybe he didn't like her. Maybe he didn't think her moveset would fit. Whatever the reason, he did not think she was worthy of a spot in the roster despite her popularity. If no other games are coming out that would possibly change Sakurai's mind on the character, why on earth would he change his mind on her inclusion?

4. Other M was one game and they were released two years apart from each other, that's not a huge divide. Let's compare this with someone like Midna. Twilight Princess was released in 2006 and since then there has been two more Zelda games and one (possibly two) more are on the way. This is a five year and three game divide.

5. What does Corruption being referenced in Brawl have to do with anything? Under that logic, Olimar shouldn't have been playable in Brawl because Pikmin was referenced in Melee. If this holds true then don't expect to see anything from Super Mario Galaxy in SSB4 either as that too was referenced in Brawl.

You're ignoring the main point of my argument.

6. Sakurai has never said that moveset potential was something that he looks for. According to past interviews, he wants each character to "bring something new to smash" and that he "doesn't want to take them out of character for them to work in a fighting game." In the grand scheme of things, virtually anything and anyone could be given a moveset with a little bit of creativity so, as it stands, this is hardly an obstacle. His main issue is whether or not "a character makes sense" fighting in Smash. As far as all the former playable characters go, ROB's the only one that really goes against this given that, in reality, he was an NES accessory.

Moveset potential was an example, but that quote actually helps my argument so thank you. When Sakurai created Brawl, he clearly didn't think that characters like Krystal, Geno, Bowser Jr, etc "brought something new to Smash" or he would have included them. If some of these characters have not appeared in games since Brawl, why would Sakurai suddenly think they do "bring something new to Smash?" What about these characters would change his mind?

7. As someone who has been in discussions like this since 2005, don't claim what you don't know. Brawl made a lot of people eat crow, myself included, because we thought we had deduced what all was going to be in the game. Word to the wise, until offical details are released don't assume you've logically concluded things as esoteric as the inner workings of a game that probably won't be released for another four years and hasn't even offically began development yet.

My argument is based 100% on logic and past installments. The majority of people from 2005-2008 assumed popularity was the main factor in whether a character got in or not.

It sounds like you're bitter that I proved these characters will not be in a new Smash and you're lashing out on me in response.

 

[Revven]

Mind mentioning some of those names. I only recall that mewtwo and roy made their name onto the disc, but not sure about others o.0

Roy
Mewtwo
Doctor Mario
Dixie Kong (likely to be paired up with Diddy Kong ala Ice Climbers or something similar was theorized but it's just her name alone on the disc iirc).
Pramai (theorized to be Plusle and Minun Ice Climbers style, not 100% certain at all though)
Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik (again, only ToonZelda iirc is actually named on the file, ToonSheik is assumed but it'd be more likely Toon Zelda's counterpart would be Tetra).

Those are the characters leftover on the disc, again 0 KB files so nothing was in them to find out exactly how much was done with them. Sounds like they were either planned or may have been kinda far in development but then cut.

 

[Bassoonist]

She only had a major role which is in the Super Mario Galaxy series. Sure it was a great game but she only appeared in like a few Mario titles. I don't know if she'll appear in Mario Kart 3DS. The number of females does not matter in a game (Nothing against females here!).

Overall, she only had a small role in the WHOLE mario universe. She only had a major role in the Mario Galaxy series.

This is true. While I'd like to see more female characters, it really doesn't seem to have any importance to Sakurai at all, so lets stop pretending like it does.

The only female character I'm asking for is Leaf as an alternate costume for Pokemon Trainer. I only played "Red" in R/B/Y because I had to. Leaf deserves credit, too.

 

[Gallowglass]

I think the reason that Krystal didn't get in was because of her significance in the Starfox universe. Sure she's the main female character but Wolf has played more important roles then her. Peppy and Slippy are more iconic then she is.

She did play a major role in Starfox Command and was the main cause of the team break up and has a bit of a rougish character to her. This could make her more iconic and give her a spot in Smash.

I'm sure movesets were not an issue since she would be the first staff fighter in the game (which is the main reason I want her). She could use the staff powers that fox use in starfox adventures (ruby shot, ground quake, rocket launch, cold freeze) which would work just fine in smash (though not really original nowadays).

I understand Krystal is a fan character like Geno. They both have good moves and would work well into smash but they are not iconic enough to the series to grant them a place.

 

[refugee]

Id think he would all so add rosalina cose galaxy whent so well id think he would add characters that had big rolls in games like she did im sure that sakurai could make some moves up for her..

I no shes not been in many games but 3 but smash 4 would be a graet new start for her

If not her theres more femmales they could add

I just felt since she was in mario kart wii that she would be a nice idea

Rosalina all so has special powers.

Rosalina is able to use her powers to surround the observatory in a force field, transforming it into a starship as a form of transportation. Also, she can be protected by a force field that resembles a bubble. If the player attempts to jump on her, the bubble would appear. Rosalina also has the ability to float in mid-air, just like the Lumas.

Oh by the way wart was all so in mario kart ds i think soo mabe he will show up in ssb 4

I can't take any of your posts seriously when you can't spell basic words like "know" and "great". Also you don't need a smiley after every other sentence.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

I can't take any of your posts seriously when you can't spell basic words like "know" and "great". Also you don't need a smiley after every other sentence.

Realy im so sorry i can put a smile where ever i dang well pleas!!!

And like this is not a school forum so i like can spell how ever i pleas!!

If ya cant tack my post seriusly then mabe you have a problem!!




I thought this forum was about the next super smash bros NOT TO BASH PEOPLE ABOUT THERE SPELLING!!!