New Smash Bros for WiiU

[gsninja]

Yeah... let's not turn this thread into a bandwagon critique of Rosalina supporter's typing... For all we know it could just be some 12 year old kid that wants to kill a few hours during his/her summer break so just let him/her be unless he/she gets obnoxious with his/her posts and then a MOD can take care of it. People like that will start coming in here in droves after next year's E3 no doubtedly shows a SSB4 trailer so you might as well start developing thick skin and saint-like paitence now.

Plus, places like GFAQs have more cause for concern than only one person with unacceptable spelling/grammar lol.

 

[Deleted member]

As I said, they were all "throw-away clones", if there had been no Toon Link style you wouldn't have had Young Link in Brawl either.

Except that Young Link has potential to be unique whereas you can't make a unique set-up for Pichu or Dr. Mario (The former was a joke character and Dr. Mario was meant to fill out the roster). There's no way to make Pichu unique without it hurting him in return (Or it would be out of characteristic) and the only unique thing I can see Dr. Mario do if he comes back (Very unlikely) is his Final Smash.

Young Link has a lot of things that can make him unique if the developer tries such as using his Majora Mask's incarnation for Fierce Diety Link. If Young Link is a throw-away character, so is Toon Link.

 

[refugee]

Yeah... let's not turn this thread into a bandwagon critique of Rosalina supporter's typing... For all we know it could just be some 12 year old kid that wants to kill a few hours during his/her summer break so just let him/her be unless he/she gets obnoxious with his/her posts and then a MOD can take care of it. People like that will start coming in here in droves after next year's E3 no doubtedly shows a SSB4 trailer so you might as well start developing thick skin and saint-like paitence now.

Yes I agree. That's why I said to ignore her from now on. Yeah I know how it's like after a trailer for a next SSB is released. Bad memories.

Plus, places like GFAQs have more cause for concern than only one person with unacceptable spelling/grammar lol.

Rofl, if you don't address the problem while it's small it's going to get worse.

On the Link topic:

We only need one Link. Two is pushing it. Three is just plain stupid.

 

[Conviction]

I concede Uber. (With a side of laziness from me.)

Like I said before on Link thing I don't know much, so I'll just ask questions. How could you make all 3 Links different in Smash.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What about Tingle than?

 

[gsninja]

Rofl, if you don't address the problem while it's small it's going to get worse.

Well, yeah, but the problem's gonna be back in droves once actual info is out, that's all. D: Not that I don't agree, though.

And I say absolutely not to Tingle. I'd rather have Vaati or something.

 

[Big-Cat]

Toon Link has plenty of stuff to make him a different kind of character vastly from Link.

And I just want to say that I think Toon Link is probably the only case of "recent, is in" theory everyone preaches. I don't think OOT3DS will have an effect on the Links' appearances because it's just a remake. It's like expecting Nintendo to get the original actors from 64 back because they're using the original voice acting in the remake.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I still say there is like no chance of Young Link returning. Hopefully Toon Link will get a unique moveset this time. =/

As I said, they were all "throw-away clones", if there had been no Toon Link style you wouldn't have had Young Link in Brawl either.

I'm curious, how was Young Link a "throw a way". Sure, he may have been a clone in Melee, but what makes you believe he would simply come back as one?

IMO, he could very well have a lugified, if not a modified moveset from his older counterpart. Toon Link is good and all, and may offer different moves to begin with, but I'd rather see a toon version of Zelda instead minus Sheik of course.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Toon Link has plenty of stuff to make him a different kind of character vastly from Link.

And I just want to say that I think Toon Link is probably the only case of "recent, is in" theory everyone preaches. I don't think OOT3DS will have an effect on the Links' appearances because it's just a remake. It's like expecting Nintendo to get the original actors from 64 back because they're using the original voice acting in the remake.

I'm sure they could have two identical Links in the game from (It''s probably going to be Skyward sword Link) and have completely different moves.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea

 

[Bassoonist]

Except that Young Link has potential to be unique whereas you can't make a unique set-up for Pichu or Dr. Mario (The former was a joke character and Dr. Mario was meant to fill out the roster). There's no way to make Pichu unique without it hurting him in return (Or it would be out of characteristic) and the only unique thing I can see Dr. Mario do if he comes back (Very unlikely) is his Final Smash.

Young Link has a lot of things that can make him unique if the developer tries such as using his Majora Mask's incarnation for Fierce Diety Link. If Young Link is a throw-away character, so is Toon Link.

I disagree, but I can't claim to actually know the real reasoning as to why they were put in.

I just see Young Link, Dr. Mario, and Pichu all being put under the same reasoning - fill in the roster. It doesn't matter if the potential for a unique moveset is there or not.

Toon Link is different. He's not just a Link from a single game put in to fill the roster, I see him more as a representation for the games with Link of that style. I predicted he would be in Brawl for quite some time (even though I was personally against him). Young Link just wouldn't make any sense returning.

 

[refugee]

Well, yeah, but the problem's gonna be back in droves once actual info is out, that's all. D: Not that I don't agree, though.

And I say absolutely not to Tingle. I'd rather have Vaati or something.

While it might be back a year from now we should keep this year (or at least summer) free from such stupidity.

Tingle did star in his own game though.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah... let's not turn this thread into a bandwagon critique of Rosalina supporter's typing... For all we know it could just be some 12 year old kid that wants to kill a few hours during his/her summer break so just let him/her be unless he/she gets obnoxious with his/her posts and then a MOD can take care of it. People like that will start coming in here in droves after next year's E3 no doubtedly shows a SSB4 trailer so you might as well start developing thick skin and saint-like paitence now.

In that case, we have less time to do that then we think. The game has already been announced and activity has already gone up a lot. The drove of idiots won't start at E3 2012, it's going to be arriving before then. Granted, I'm willing to deal with them since I've encountered much worse on IGN, but they're coming sooner then you think and I'm pretty sure people are going to be joining SSB4 groups and leave the idiots to the main thread.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I concede Uber. (With a side of laziness from me.)

Like I said before on Link thing I don't know much, so I'll just ask questions. How could you make all 3 Links different in Smash.

Give toonlink a ww inspired movesets, there a dozens floating around online. Give young link more variations. I.e. Different smashes and change specials more like bombchu as opposed to the bomb he has now

 

[gsninja]

While it might be back a year from now we should keep this year (or at least summer) free from such stupidity.

Tingle did star in his own game though.

Haha, tru dat.

I just feel uncomfortable every time I even look at Tingle. Hell, my body tingles every time I do, but it sure as hell isn't from pleasure, I can tell you that. Better an original character than another Link, though...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Actually, I think having Skyward Sword Link is a bad idea. But he is identical to TP Link except the animation style

If they are going to use Skyward sword link, he'd look funny if not in realistic style.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Rofl, if you don't address the problem while it's small it's going to get worse.

It's going to get worse anyways. I can pretty much guarentee three things that will happen based on what happen with Brawl: 1. After a trailer is revealed, the number of members here will grow by several hundred members in two days. 2. For the first month after the trailer, the site will crash regularly due to server overloads 3. most of the same topics/threads will be repeated over and over again until the game actually comes out.

Also, unlike Gamefaqs, the MODs here actually care so there's considerably more quality control here so things don't go completely to Hell.

 

[Deleted member]

I just see Young Link, Dr. Mario, and Pichu all being put under the same reasoning - fill in the roster. It doesn't matter if the potential for a unique moveset is there or not.

What about Roy? He was there purely for advertisement purposes. If he isn't a filler character, I don't know who could be.

Also, I could also argue that clones like Falco were there just to fill up the roster. In the end, I don't really care if either Toon Link or Young Link gets it, I'm just saying that Young Link replacing Toon Link is not impossible.

 

[Bassoonist]

While it might be back a year from now we should keep this year (or at least summer) free from such stupidity.

Tingle did star in his own game though.

Which thankfully never came to America.

I just can't see Tingle fitting in the roster. That old Melee stage should come back and keep him as a stage item. Forever. lol

 

[Gallowglass]

What about Tingle than?

No, please no. I really can't stand that guy. If anything he should be a damageable AT (Like Chansey is in pokemon). I have a feeling that if someone is playing him in smash I would do nothing but go after him.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm sure they could have two identical Links in the game from (It''s probably going to be Skyward sword Link) and have completely different moves.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea

What I mean is is that Toon Link is new the Kid Link.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at though. Height and reach differences alone should require a different playstyle.

 

[refugee]

It's going to get worse anyways. I can pretty much guarentee three things that will happen based on what happen with Brawl: 1. After a trailer is revealed, the number of members here will grow by several hundred members in two days. 2. For the first month after the trailer, the site will crash regularly due to server overloads 3. most of the same topics/threads will be repeated over and over again until the game actually comes out.

Also, unlike Gamefaqs, the MODs here actually care so there's considerably more quality control here so things don't go completely to Hell.

Yeah I know. I was there. I even remember seeing you in the past. I expect all of this to eventually to occur. However, it shouldn't be happening now and the numbers are small enough to handle atm.

Haha, tru dat.

I just feel uncomfortable every time I even look at Tingle. Hell, my body tingles every time I do, but it sure as hell isn't from pleasure, I can tell you that. Better an original character than another Link, though...

Lol he maybe weird but I don't think that's enough of a reason to exlude him. Yes, it is much better then another Link.

 

[gsninja]

No, please no. I really can't stand that guy. If anything he should be a damageable AT (Like Chansey is in pokemon). I have a feeling that if someone is playing him in smash I would do nothing but go after him.

Believe me bro, I'd do the exact same thing. Actually, I'm sure over half the Smash community feels the same way.

 

[Bassoonist]

What about Roy? He was there purely for advertisement purposes. If he isn't a filler character, I don't know who could be.

I guess I see him differently, but I'll count that as bias. You can call him a "throw-away clone" as well. However, wasn't there something posted earlier about him almost being in Brawl? (but then again that list also had Plusle and Minun in it, and I can't stand the thought of them =P)

 

[gsninja]

I guess I see him differently, but I'll count that as bias. You can call him a "throw-away clone" as well. However, wasn't there something posted earlier about him almost being in Brawl? (but then again that list also had Plusle and Minun in it, and I can't stand the thought of them =P)

That was probably that list of character data that was left on the disc. The same one that included Mewtwo, right?

 

[Big-Cat]

IIRC, the whole advertisement thing is just something going around. I don't think it was ever actually said. And the whole thing about Plusle and Minun is just a theory going off of the original Prai_Mai files. No one really knows what it refers to.

 

[refugee]

I guess I see him differently, but I'll count that as bias. You can call him a "throw-away clone" as well. However, wasn't there something posted earlier about him almost being in Brawl? (but then again that list also had Plusle and Minun in it, and I can't stand the thought of them =P)

Yeah there was a list that had him on there. I think you (and myself) see him differently because he's not just another version of the character he is a clone of.

That was probably that list of character data that was left on the disc. The same one that included Mewtwo, right?

Yup.

 

[Deleted member]

What about Tingle than?

Screw him, what would he do as a character? Should remain as an Assist Trophy.

@Bassoonist: Yes, Roy was considered for Brawl and so was Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, and Dr. Mario (Possibly as an alternate costume).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I guess I see him differently, but I'll count that as bias. You can call him a "throw-away clone" as well. However, wasn't there something posted earlier about him almost being in Brawl? (but then again that list also had Plusle and Minun in it, and I can't stand the thought of them =P)

He probably was only almost added because he was in melee, maybe Sakurai was initially reluctant to remove characters

They never wanted him in the roster to begin with

 

[Fatmanonice]

Zelda has enough characters. You have the Triforce Trio and the alternate Link; is there really a need for anyone else? If you ask me, most of the major franchises have enough characters and this game should focus on introducing new franchises and adding characters from the less popular ones.

 

[refugee]

Which thankfully never came to America.

I just can't see Tingle fitting in the roster. That old Melee stage should come back and keep him as a stage item. Forever. lol

I actually think that's disappointing because there were people here who would of enjoyed playing it.

Zelda has enough characters. You have the Triforce Trio and the alternate Link; is there really a need for anyone else? If you ask me, most of the major franchises have enough characters and this game should focus on introducing new franchises and adding characters from the less popular ones.

I agree with this. Bring on Custom Robo, Starfy, Punchout, Chibi Robo, and retro franchises!

 

[UberMario]

I concede Uber. (With a side of laziness from me.)

Like I said before on Link thing I don't know much, so I'll just ask questions. How could you make all 3 Links different in Smash.

I had thought about that a while back.

The current Link moveset would stay with the "Modern" Link. (the one with the high amount of texturing seen in Twilight Princess and Brawl).

Young Link (who has a bright palette and little texturing) would have a moveset based solely off of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. For example, his neutral b move could be a bug collecting/throwing attack which results in the opponent being "poisoned" (think about Lip's Stick or the white Pikmin), a slingshot for his side B move, the same Up B move as the main Link, and a mask transformation move for his Down B. The mask transformation could swap out his other attacks, making him similar to the Pokemon Trainer (sans the "getting tired" gimmick).

Toon Link could have fire or ice arrows (but not normal arrows, which Modern Link has), an Up B move involving gliding on a Deku Leaf (if done on the ground, a gust will launch him upwards), a melee weapon move for his side B (like Marth), and the Skull Hammer for his down B move. (The Skull Hammer can shrink opponents, but has a ton of startup lag, resulting it in being as situational as a Falcon Punch.)

 

[Big-Cat]

Zelda has enough characters. You have the Triforce Trio and the alternate Link; is there really a need for anyone else? If you ask me, most of the major franchises have enough characters and this game should focus on introducing new franchises and adding characters from the less popular ones.

Pretty much this.

Although, I think they should focus on adding UNIQUE characters. I want more mixup characters besides Sonic.

Why the hell do we refer to startup and recovery as lag? I just find it so stupid.

 

[gsninja]

Pretty much this.

Although, I think they should focus on adding UNIQUE characters. I want more mixup characters besides Sonic.

That's one of the reasons I really want Isaac in, aside from my massive hard-on for him and the Golden Sun series. The psynergy and Djinn from those games can easily make for a ridiculously awesome movepool.

Actually, someone made a really good suggestion on GameFAQs yesterday, and that's the Scribblenauts dude. That's virtually limitless potential right there.

 

[Bassoonist]

Yeah there was a list that had him on there. I think you (and myself) see him differently because he's not just another version of the character he is a clone of.

That is the exact reason, actually. I had no problem with the alternate characters being removed but Roy and Mewtwo (especially Mewtwo since it wasn't just a clone) removed really bothered me. They're completely different characters.

@KumaOso I really hope so, because I can't stand the thought of Plusle and Minun being seriously considered for a character. Their existence in Pokemon is far too much to begin with. Super Smash Bros. needs more unique characters than that.

As I always said before: Enough electric rats! Plusle and Minun are inexcusable, because they are really just two Pichu's with different coloring and a plus and minus theme.

 

[UberMario]

Why the hell do we refer to startup and recovery as lag? I just find it so stupid.

Lag:

-To proceed or develop with comparative slowness.

That applies pretty well to sluggish attacks.

 

[Bassoonist]

That's one of the reasons I really want Isaac in, aside from my massive hard-on for him and the Golden Sun series. The psynergy and Djinn from those games can easily make for a ridiculously awesome movepool.

Yup, I always wanted Isaac in, from the second I played Golden Sun.

I really hope that he gets added in this time around. My wish is he gets revealed in the first trailer so we don't have to go through all of that speculation nonsense anymore.

He deserves it even more than he did in Brawl, I'm more hopeful this time.

 

[gsninja]

Yup, I always wanted Isaac in, from the second I played Golden Sun.

I really hope that he gets added in this time around. My wish is he gets revealed in the first trailer so we don't have to go through all of that speculation nonsense anymore.

He deserves it even more than he did in Brawl, I'm more hopeful this time.

Haha, totally. I was hoping for him in Brawl, but I wasn't really expecting it at all, since he really wasn't all that popular despite two votes in Sakurai's poll. Now that E3 '09-'10 and Dark Dawn happened, though, I'd actually be a bit surprised if no GS rep makes it as a character this time around.

 

[refugee]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html

Anyone else cringe at IGN articles that talk about SSB? Also there is some poll for capcom characters in the link if you guys are interested. Megaman (who i voted for) is owning atm. This might affect who gets in for Capcom so better vote.

 

[Big-Cat]

Lag:

-To proceed or develop with comparative slowness.

That applies pretty well to sluggish attacks.

The definition is true and all, but it just seems like poor word choice in gaming context. When I think of lag, I think of online play lag, not frame data.

 

[gsninja]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html

Anyone else cringe at IGN articles that talk about SSB? Also there is some poll for capcom characters in the link if you guys are interested. Megaman (who i voted for) is owning atm. This might affect who gets in for Capcom so better vote.

I still prefer IGN to GameSpot, though. After GS's review of Radiant Dawn, I can't stand reading any more of their official reviews.

And I was about to vote Ryu, but then I realized they aren't talking about the one from BoF, so I chose Mega Man instead. ):