New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Bassoonist]

I'll probably end up using the Wii-U controller and if not possible, the Classic Controller as well (I don't have the Pro version). Either way, hopefully, we'll see a firmwire update allowing more then one Wii-U controller at a time.

Firm ware update? The system doesn't even have an official release date. Things could officially change before then.

 

[Deleted member]

Firm ware update? The system doesn't even have an official release date. Things could officially change before then.

That's in the case that we're still stuck with one Wii-U controller at a time and no announcement has been made otherwise. Would be nice if we had at least two Wii-U controllers.

 

[Revven]

Earlier it was talked about how Lucas is a clone of Ness and honestly, I don't really think it matters whether he's a clone or not. He has similar moves but in the end he plays differently from Ness in Brawl.

I don't think clones are really avoidable in Smash. You're always going to have them as long as the characters are from the same franchise and have a similar body structure and have the same rough role as another character in the series (and Sakurai is rushing the game which seems to be the case with almost every Smash). Lucas is apart of Earthbound and essentially replaces Ness in Mother 3, getting pretty much the same moves as Ness does with a few exceptions here and there. So I don't think Sakurai & co. could really avoid the two being similar and there's really nothing wrong with them being similar at all because the way you play them differs significantly.

If there's one thing people could take from Melee, it's that in the end the clones play extremely differently from the originals. Of course there is no excuse for Ganondorf being a clone of Falcon (not even from the same series) but Ganondorf plays entirely different from Falcon just like Falco plays differently from Fox. So, I don't think it's really a bad thing, the characters are still different and even their moves differ despite using the same animations. Dr. Mario is really the only clone you can complain about because he's not a different character, he's Mario in a new costume with modified moves and Pills. Roy at least had a significant difference in how his hitboxes worked compared to Marth's tipper system.

So frankly, I don't really mind if there are clones in the next game. If they actually leave most of the Brawl casts' move sets alone with the exception of Ganondorf (actually making his move set based off of where he's from and NOT Falcon) I'm happy. I think it was sad what they did to Falco though, I liked how he was in Melee.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm personally looking for multiplayer support via tablet on the big screen, smash on a small screen isn't an option.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I saw people complaining about Melee's hitstun earlier, can someone explain to me what's wrong with it? If you use lower hitstun there would probably end up only being boring *** 3-4 hit combos. Esp. since most of us pretty much think that Sakurai's still gonna have it slightly floaty at the least and there will be no type of cancels for the lag of moves. Plus, the only characters that got combo ***** in Melee was spacies, Falcon, Bowser, Ganon, DK, and Roy. That's not a lot. Could you imagine Marth vs Peach with less hitstun? That sounds terrible in my opinion.

 

[Swordplay]

Just saying. it looked like from E3 that vaati was the villain for SS. I thought i saw something that looked like him. So they'll probably switch our a TL for Vaati or something.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The CPUs should probably be modified to some extent. I have a few statements, regarding that...

1: Level 1 CPUs shouldn't even be capable of doing shield-grabs. The Melee level 1's were much less annoying, in my personal opinion; they rarely attacked, and they rarely defended against attacks.

2: The behavior of a Brawl level 1 is much more typical for the level 5 difficulty level.

3: If Brawl had an Intense difficulty level, a level 10 should be utilized. Level 10's would basically be extremely aggressive (even more than the level 9's), using any of their moves to crush you.

4: After using a Final Smash, some CPUs constantly spam their specials. That should be fixed up.

 

[Gallowglass]

My biggest problem with Brawl cpu was that even though it was a free for all they would still gang up on you until you were out.

 

[Dark Yoghurt]

Just saying. it looked like from E3 that vaati was the villain for SS. I thought i saw something that looked like him. So they'll probably switch our a TL for Vaati or something.

In fact it is Ghirahim, some demon lord guy, not Vaati, though maybe he has something in common with Vaati.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Number 3 probably won't happen because smash has always used a 1-9 level scale and number 4 was addressed in the pal version to some extent iirc so it's safe to assume it will be fixed in ssb4.

 

[Swordplay]

In fact it is Ghirahim, some demon lord guy, not Vaati, though maybe he has something in common with Vaati.

I didnt know that. But they did look similar

 

[Deleted member]

Would anyone want up to five players at a time locally and online? I think that would be awesome and make a great multi-player experience even more fun.

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: I wouldn't mind if the CPU's was kept at the same level as in Brawl. I liked how they actually presented a challenge more quickly then it did in Melee where you had to put all opponents at Lv. 9 and you could still win easily if you were good enough.

My biggest problem with Brawl cpu was that even though it was a free for all they would still gang up on you until you were out.

God I hated this so much in Brawl. It's like they were teamed up against you, even though they played only to win themselves. I want that problem fixed in SSB4.

 

[gsninja]

Would anyone want up to five players at a time locally and online? I think that would be awesome and make a great multi-player experience even more fun.

Locally? I would totally love that. Online, that would have to be seen. Having a five-player Smashfest in Brawl's kind of online would be literally unplayable half the time, most likely. If SSB4's online is solid enough, then hell yes.

 

[PF9]

What stage ideas does everybody have?

I have ideas for stages based off of Epic Yarn, the 2011 Kirby Game, PokePark Wii, SMG 2, and the new Zelda.

 

[Deleted member]

Would anyone be interested in playing in Kokiri Forest from The Legend of Zelda?

I also see Sin & Punishment and Custom Robo making nice stages.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: I wouldn't mind if the CPU's was kept at the same level as in Brawl. I liked how they actually presented a challenge more quickly then it did in Melee where you had to put all opponents at Lv. 9 and you could still win easily if you were good enough.God I hated this so much in Brawl. It's like they were teamed up against you, even though they played only to win themselves. I want that problem fixed in SSB4.

Maybe when you reach level 3, but Brawl level 1's were far from being called "Puny".

Melee level 1's take the term "Puny" perfectly. Level 3 is called "Weak", so that would be a more appropriate level for a CPU to start utilizing shield-grabs and other advanced moves.

Regarding gang attacks, CPUs should probably be adjusted so that they'll only pursue opponents with high levels of damage. If you've taken less damage than the CPUs, the CPUs won't pursue you as much. Of course, in Melee, there is a penalty for doing that; the Predator bonus, which is -1500 points in bonus matches.

 

[Deleted member]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: That only lessens the problem of gang attacks. We're not constantly ganged up, but the CPU is still after the player with the highest CPU. As such, if the Predator penalty comes back, they're almost guarantee to lose -1500 points. We want to eliminate it. How about the CPU goes after the one that's closest to them?

Picture this: There are four players in a bland, flat stage. You are in the middle-left corner, Player 2 is left of you by three feet, Player 4 is right of you by six feet, and Player 3 is four feet from Player 3. As such, Player 2 goes after you while Player 4/3 goes after each other. There's no ganging up done, they're simply going after the one closest to them and as such, is more of an actual fight then just three CPUs trying to get rid of you.

 

[teluoborg]

1-buy 4 GC to USB adaptators
2-plug them in the 4 USB ports of wii U
3-hack Wii U and smash 4
4-allow use of GC controllers for smash 4
5-become a living god

Seems like a good plan. Anyone up for it ?

 

[Deleted member]

1-buy 4 GC to USB adaptators
2-plug them in the 4 USB ports of wii U
3-hack Wii U and smash 4
4-allow use of GC controllers for smash 4
5-become a living god

Seems like a good plan. Anyone up for it ?

Others may be, but I'm not. I fail to see the obsession with the Gamecube controller that so many people refuse to leave behind. We haven't even gotten the chance to even try the Wii-U controller. It's not hard to transfer to at least the Classic Controller.

Also, replace "become a living god" with "no access to online and potentially banned". Nintendo is very strictly against hacking and will do anything they can to ensure that hacking is minimized.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: That only lessens the problem of gang attacks. We're not constantly ganged up, but the CPU is still after the player with the highest CPU. As such, if the Predator penalty comes back, they're almost guarantee to lose -1500 points. We want to eliminate it. How about the CPU goes after the one that's closest to them?

(Picture this: There are four players in a bland, flat stage. You are in the middle-left corner, Player 2 is left of you by three feet, Player 4 is right of you by six feet, and Player 3 is four feet from Player 3. As such, Player 2 goes after you while Player 4/3 goes after each other. There's no ganging up done, they're simply going after the one closest to them)

The Predator bonus was quite disturbing, especially in team battles, since the game expects you to hurt your own teammates if your opponents have more damage than your teammates.

In other words, in a 3-on-1 match, the 3 player team almost always get the Predator bonus, despite the fact that their only opponent is the opposing player. And of course, the Stalker and Bully bonuses are involved as well.

 

[ChronoBound]

*facepalm

Half of the GameFAQs Smash 4 Wii U board are "Ridley iz 2 bigg!!!11" troll topics.

 

[Deleted member]

*facepalm

Half of the GameFAQs Smash 4 Wii U board are "Ridley iz 2 bigg!!!11" troll topics.

Shouldn't Olimar and Bowser already established that size doesn't matter as long as the character can fit into the world? They're going to be up for a rude awakening as aside from Pokemon and a Kid Icarus rep, Ridley is one of the most likely characters for the next game? There's nothing going against his appearance now as a playable character.

I'll go to the IGN boards to see how much stupidity they've chalked up yet and I'll bring some up if I find any.

 

[ChronoBound]

Shouldn't Olimar and Bowser already established that size doesn't matter as long as the character can fit into the world? They're going to be up for a rude awakening as aside from Pokemon and a Kid Icarus rep, Ridley is one of the most likely characters for the next game? There's nothing going against his appearance now as a playable character.

I'll go to the IGN boards to see how much stupidity they've chalked up yet and I'll bring some up if I find any.

IGN makes GameFAQs look like a honors student, and that is saying something.

 

[Starphoenix]

IGN makes GameFAQs look like a honors student, and that is saying something.

The Wii U board is absolute, mind melting drivel. The 3DS board is at least relatively calm due to less traffic.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

*facepalm

Half of the GameFAQs Smash 4 Wii U board are "Ridley iz 2 bigg!!!11" troll topics.

That is quite disturbing. The irony of this story is that in the Melee opening, Ridley wasn't a giant.

Basically, the too big statement fails big time, since Bowser has been resized from time to time himself.

 

[Deleted member]

IGN makes GameFAQs look like a honors student, and that is saying something.

This. The Super Smash Bros. IGN boards is filled with trolls and ridiculous ideas. There's even a pointless fanfic thread going on right now and I have no interest in reading it. I read a thread and a few people are making that incredibly stupid argument about Ridley not getting in. Here's a post from that site:

Ridley won't work. He's too big. Give it up, people.

I promptly responded with...

It's people who think Ridley won't work are people that should give up. Size is not an issue, if it was, Bowser would not be in the game.

@Starphoenix: I thought this thread had a lot of drivel going on, but at least we had a lot of quality discussions here with few interruptions. I'll go check that place out.

 

[ChronoBound]

This topic alone shows you what is wrong with GameFAQs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59406301

 

[Starphoenix]

This topic alone shows you what is wrong with GameFAQs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59406301

For a split second I thought you were dissing your own thread. But no you were referring to the comments.

I'll show you worse...

 

[AN(M)ist]

U know, I wouldn't be surprised if Kratos made an appearance in SSB4

 

[Starphoenix]

Here is your worse...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59383032

 

[ChronoBound]

For a split second I thought you were dissing your own thread. But no you were referring to the comments.

I'll show you worse...

Yeah I was referring to the comments.

Half of the front page of GameFAQs are "Ridley iz t00 bigg!!!!111" threads.

Also, you have a lot of *******es running around who think they are smart because they have enough brain cells to compile a list of characters, assist trophies, and pokeball pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound: *Claps hands*

Fantastic posting there sir. It's a shame that what I'm about to read is going to be full of fail.

When SSB4 gets it's own forum, if you discuss one thing, try bringing that post over to this forum. Heck, I'll do it for you on IGN right now.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

U know, I wouldn't be surprised if Kratos made an appearance in SSB4

I would seeing as Smash is strictly characters that make appearances on Nintendo consoles... with the exception of Snake, even though he's had a few games on nintendo consoles.

 

[Starphoenix]

Yeah I was referring to the comments.

Half of the front page of GameFAQs are "Ridley iz t00 bigg!!!!111" threads.

Also, you have a lot of *******es running around who think they are smart because they have enough brain cells to compile a list of characters, assist trophies, and pokeball pokemon.

Agreed. I let my hair down a little over at Gamefaqs, but all of this is just too much this early in non-production.

Now that I think about it, I've never publicly stated what characters I'd like to see. Only whom I thought were likely.

 

[ChronoBound]

Agreed. I let my hair down a little over at Gamefaqs, but all of this is just too much this early in non-production.

I am going to withdraw from GameFAQs for a while. I just don't hope the idiots win out and convince everyone to support their inanity (examples of this are when Ashley suddenly became a popular choice).

Here is an example of an idiot likening himself to be a genius.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59400263

I really wish Iwata had not announced Smash 4. We will now have to deal with a year of full-on idiocy with nothing to go on.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The idiocy at GameFAQs does remind me of my past there. I don't want to talk about it, but let's just say that I said some stupid things at the Melee forums, especially with the tier list.

 

[Master Peach]

Others may be, but I'm not. I fail to see the obsession with the Gamecube controller that so many people refuse to leave behind. We haven't even gotten the chance to even try the Wii-U controller. It's not hard to transfer to at least the Classic Controller.

Also, replace "become a living god" with "no access to online and potentially banned". Nintendo is very strictly against hacking and will do anything they can to ensure that hacking is minimized.

The reason People are so attached to the GC controller is because its comfortable and Familiar. They took the time to learn on that controller and don't really feel like relearning button moves and setups on another controller, but I most think its cause it's comfortable in their hands.

People don't want uncomfortable controllers that throw off their game when taking it seriously. People like it when their button movements are precise and accurate.

I can understand why a lot people would still want their GC Controllers, but if Nintendo has no plans of reinvented the cube controller for the Wii U then I'll just buy a Classic control Pro. I could adapt to that. Doesn't seem too difficult to master.

 

[Bassoonist]

I am going to withdraw from GameFAQs for a while. I just don't hope the idiots win out and convince everyone to support their inanity (examples of this are when Ashley suddenly became a popular choice).

Here is an example of an idiot likening himself to be a genius.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59400263

I really wish Iwata had not announced Smash 4. We will now have to deal with a year of full-on idiocy with nothing to go on.

Ah, GameFAQs.

Did the Ashley fad really start over there? I haven't been a "regular" of GameFAQs since probably late 2003, so I didn't go there too often during the pre-Brawl hype time (the place was far too annoying and stupid for me).

I just remember the Ashley topic here and how I argued with them a lot. lol.

Unfortunately, I've already seen people suggesting her for SSB4, so it shall live on.

 

[Starphoenix]

I am going to withdraw from GameFAQs for a while. I just don't hope the idiots win out and convince everyone to support their inanity (examples of this are when Ashley suddenly became a popular choice).

Here is an example of an idiot likening himself to be a genius.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59400263

I really wish Iwata had not announced Smash 4. We will now have to deal with a year of full-on idiocy with nothing to go on.

Yeah...

I'm at least having fun coming up with a moveset for Slime over there. So not everything is worthless over there. Luckily the announcement of Fortune Street has boosted the Dragon Quest discussion a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeLjlVutUM0

 

[Deleted member]

Here is your worse...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/59383032

That's not even a productive thread. At least we can be assured that this forum will never get as bad as GameFAQs.

Continuing my dive into that forum.

And there are people seriously thinking Ashley is going to be in SSB4? Ridiculous if I say so myself. Even Kat & Ana have a better chance at being playable and I see no Wario rep happening in SSB4.