The goal of my rebooted roster is to make Smash 4 NOT Brawl 2.0. You want Jigglypuff, Ness, Captain Falcon, Falco, Sheik, Toon Link? Go play Brawl or ask for Smash 5. This isn't Brawl 2.0, this is Smash 4. This is a sequel, not an expansion. New characters take priority over old characters. I'm not very conservative when it comes to cutting. Remember what ChronoBound asked us last night? What if Sakurai decided to keep the roster size around Brawl's size? Well, that's the result.
All the games were unique because of their gameplay AND characters. Eliminating popular characters is frankly going to severely hurt sales. People still even wanted to play as Pichu in Brawl, despite him having no chance. Those cuts are still 100% unacceptable.
Toad > Bowser Jr. because Toad aesthetically looks different from Mario, Luigi, Peach, or Bowser... and Toad isn't likely to end up a clone of Mario, Luigi, Peach, or Bowser. Toad is far more marketable and popular compared to Bowser Jr. anyway.
And is about as likely as a piece of paper. Sakurai pretty much blatantly telling us he won't get in says something. He even has many Assist Trophies who had better chance. So no, I don't even see him having any reasonable chance. Atleast Jr.'s a bad guy, and something we lack. He has much more potential be be unique without making up almost all of his moves. I am not saying Toad is a bad choice, but to be honest, he's probably the only new guy outside of Third Party that you can get a general consensus on.
As for Punch-Out getting two reps, I don't see why not. Fire Emblem got two reps in Melee when there were none in Smash 64. Marth and Little Mac should have been in Smash 64 and Melee respectively. Melee fixed that for Fire Emblem and Smash 4 should fix that for Punch-Out. Punch-Out is also popular... always has been popular since the NES years. I specifically picked out King Hippo because he's the most popular/memorable/iconic villain of the series. There's a reason Nintendo chose to use his image to promote Punch-Out Wii. He's practically the Ridley of Punch-Out. What I meant by this statement is that like Metroid, Punch-Out have no true main villain but King Hippo stands out just like Ridley does.
Fire Emblem only got two characters in Melee because they decided to add clones. And that intelligent systems chose Roy as well, not to mention sales. None of these factors apply. Sakurai is the only one that can choose two, and the game series isn't popular enough to start off with two. I am fine with Little Mac, and as much as I love King Hippo, I don't even see either having that high of a chance.
As for Kid Icarus getting three reps, why not? Mother didn't need two characters in Brawl but it did get two. Star Fox didn't need two characters in Melee but it did get two. I notice Nintendo have been giving Kid Icarus more love than they did for Mother and Star Fox anyway. Nintendo hasn't done anything with Mother and most fans generally don't like Star Fox games except for Star Fox 64. Many fans want more female characters... there you go! At least they aren't fillers because they are the Peach/Zelda and Bowser/Ganondorf of the Kid Icarus series. Notice how we got both Peach/Bowser and Zelda/Ganondorf in Melee? Can't have one without the other... Palutena/Medusa are the same in that respect.
Because there's zero reason for it to get it. Perhaps in Smash 5. One added character for a smaller series is FINE. There's other spots for series underrepresented.
If Child Link was that important, why is it that he's always a last minute addition in Melee and Brawl? He doesn't have priority over Adult Link... he's only added in whenever Sakurai feels the roster isn't big enough. He wasn't even in Smash 64, we got Adult Link instead. He's one of my mains in Brawl and I still think he should be cut, especially when he is never going to be decloned anyway. It's the rule that similar characters should be clones of original characters.
You do realize that Sakurai didn't know Adult Link couldn't use the Boomerang, and was only there because Child Link used it, right? You also do know that he specified he finds Child Link the true version of Link and wants to keep him in. Neither Link will be cut, but Adult Link is more likely in Sakurai's eyes. Only thing saving Adult Link is the original 12, respectively. And so what if they're clones? That is not a bad thing by any means. And fun fact about Smash 64; That's not Adult Link, it's a composite Link. If it was Adult Link, he'd have the bow instead. But he didn't. He wants both versions because they represent two series, Child and Adult versions.
The original 12 aren't that safe. Jigglypuff almost got the cut in Brawl and she was added back in very late when Sakurai decided to make the roster bigger. I think Ness was cut originally but added back in to make the roster bigger... and we know that Sakurai had always planned to replace Ness with Lucas since Melee. Well, consider this... if 35 slots were big enough for Sakurai, how big was it before we ultimately got 35 slots?
And she got in over 7 new characters. It doesn't matter if he wanted to replace the at first, but he decided not to. Cutting the original characters is a horrible idea in the first place, and will get nothing but hatred towards Sakurai. All 12 are here to stay.
Falco getting the cut. Oh yeah. We don't need three Star Fox characters with the same special moves. I picked Wolf over Falco because he's a villain and to balance the series, we got Star Fox vs. Star Wolf. Falco shouldn't have been in Smash in the first place. He was a last minute addition in Melee... and Wolf was originally planned to be in Brawl in the beginning but got cut later and then got added back in the last minute.
That's the lamest thing I ever heard. Falco was chosen by Sakurai, so he wanted him in if there was enough room. And you change their B moves, I mean, you know, that's not hard. He and Fox don't even play remotely alike. Clones are only a problem if they play pretty much exactly the same. That's never been the case in Smash, and is a poor reason to cut someone.
Sheik? Point of cutting Sheik and replacing with Impa is to separate Zelda and Sheik and keep both movesets but without transformation."Impa" is basically Sheik with an Impa model. You get to play as Sheik who looks like Impa.
It replaces a very popular character for a less popular one. That's why it's a bad idea on that alone. Also, replacing a great for a CLONE is even a worse idea. It won't happen. Sheik is not going to be replaced.
Pokemon. My choices go like this. Since Pokemon gets two reps in each Smash game and one is from 1st gen and the other is from the latest gen at that time. I keep one rep from each Smash game and add two reps. Pikachu > Jigglypuff. Mewtwo > Pichu. Pokemon Trainer > Lucario. Add Meowth and Zoroark.
Jigglypuff will never get cut, you need to get this through your head here. Same with Falcon, which is cutting an ENTIRE SERIES. That's also unacceptable. Your roster is beyond unrealistic and is a pipe dream at best.
No Isaac nor Saki because the roster only has 44 slots. Melee had 3 rows and 9 columns. Brawl had 4 rows and 9 columns. So I'm guessing Smash 4 might have 5 rows and 9 columns. Sakurai isn't going to put in 50+ characters. So I had to be very selective when it comes to adding new characters and keeping old characters.
Bump it to 50 or 55 then. There is no tiny limit. That's also pretty poor reasoning, since 4 Third Party slots over 2nd party and 1st party series just won't happen. A Square Enix rep, or... Captain Falcon? Yeah, F-Zero comes first.
I picked Starfy and Mii over Isaac and Saki because 1) there's a good possibility that Starfy was planned to be playable in Brawl at one point because Starly's trophy is grouped with the Fighter Related trophies and 2) Starfy have more games than Golden Sun and Sin & Punishment which tells me Starfy is more popular than those two series and 3) it is Mii, the most popular new character of the Wii years.
I did not say anything about Mii, though. That addition I like, actually. Although if it's just a generic fighter, I won't want him in. Only if it's the customizable character. As for Starfy, he's a literal rival to Kirby, so I don't see him that likely in the first place.
The fact some people don't like this roster tells me I'm doing it right.
I know it sounds twisted but it will only make the fans demand Smash 5 with the cut characters coming back plus new characters who didn't get in Smash 4. If I had kept everyone from Brawl plus Roy, Mewtwo, Ridley, King K. Rool, Little Mac, Toad, Palutena or Medusa, Isaac, Saki, and Mega Man... fans would be too satisfied that they wouldn't be demanding Smash 5 as much as we did for Brawl and are currently doing for Smash 4.
A better idea is to NOT cut two-time veterans. One-offs, I can understand and respect. Hell, my preference against Toad is not something that I would stop playing this game for. It's the removal of key veterans that grind my gears. And overrepping series that sure don't need it. StarFox, one of the best selling series of all times, gets one of their characters cut, but two series suddenly get two new ones, and they aren't even nearly as popular? Yeah, bull. This roster is not going to be popular among anyone, except maybe yourself. Your cuts are horrible, except, honestly, I can deal with Lucario and Ike only. They're not that safe(although cuts shouldn't happen anyway). If Jigglypuff would've been removed, he would've added one of the Forbidden 7. Cutting Captain Falcon cuts an entire series completely. Cutting Sheik is horrible to most fans.
I've seen your second roster, and while exponentially better, I would even vote Toad over Dr. Mario myself. Now, I prefer Bowser Jr. well over Toad, but let's be honest, I would still play him. I'm not holding that one against you, even, but too many heroes and not enough villains exist. Also, I don't buy "adding a character because they're female" as a good reason. The character him or herself matters. Not their gender. If they're unique, well, gender doesn't matter, and many of the Pokemon can be female as well. Also, seriously, the roster just isn't completely without a 5th Gen. Lucario, PT, or Mewtwo has to go. Not sure which one to choose, but I'd say Lucario for Zoroark/Victini/Genesect.
, 39 chars. 
