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[Diddy Kong]

I liked all Melee characters except Dr.Mario basically

 

[yani_]

Main difference being: Roy's game will be remade to appeal to western fans also, who couldn't play the game before.

And Sheik won't be different each time OoT will be remade, she's still the same old character who doesn't do that much at all.

I think that's a difference. At least Roy is a full edged main character.

A remake is a remake no matter what the reason is. No character will ever be different in a remake. Roy is still Roy in said remake as well. I'll give you that he's a main character though.

Impa is in the same remake BUT she is also in the newest game.

Lol game set & match


@Dr. Mario: I'd be okay with it if he came back.

Geno>Toad> Dr. Mario > any other Mario reps

My order of preference

 

[Metal Overlord]

Same here, Chrono. I was awesome was Doc, Young Link was pretty cool, and Pichu was just so damn cute in Melee. I want them all back

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You have to get the Gold Medals in expert. They get something akin to rocket launchers.

As for GanonDORF being a Falcon clone, it wasn't that off. They're both burly men, have devastating monk-like moves, and can kick serious *** on their own. Power isn't just magical after all.

Keep in mind, I want to see him de-cloned, but Ganondorf was still awesome in Melee. He only sucked everywhere in Brawl due to being so slow in everything. The Old Man thing often works, but he's the except to the rule.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Sakurai makes Starfy a joke character = Moe must be THE MOST OVERPOWERED ASSIST TROPHY EVER. He'd kick especially Kirby's *** bad.

 

[Shorts]

Doc as alt costume

Pichu as a Pikachu model swap

Young Link returns

Mewtwo returns

Roy returns

Everyone wins! But Toon Link...

Or have Young Link Cameo in an OoT/MM3DS level?

 

[Deleted member]

I am well aware that it's GanonDORF.

I commonly associate him as "Captain Ganon".

And Ganondorf honestly had no place to copy C. Falcon. Ganondorf didn't fight like he does.
I bet if he wasn't in Melee, he would've been a Newcomer in Brawl with an original moveset.

And here's my feeling:

Bring back Mewtwo
Bring back Roy
Bring back Dr. Mario (I don't give a **** that he's a clone. Make him a seperate character like Melee.)
Bring back Pichu IF there's room. If not, make him a 4th Pokemon for the Pokemon Trainer. Or just not include him.
Keep Young Link out as long as Toon Link is still around.

 

[Arcadenik]

I wouldn't really mind Starfy as a joke character... at least he won't be a clone of an existing character like Pichu was. He could be a joke character like Mewtwo was... that is, a bad character with an original moveset.

 

[Zzuxon]

Clearly, because he doesn't let bias get too much in the way. Starfy is somewhat a big series whether Sakurai likes it or not. So it HAD to have something regardless of his feelings on it.

But notice that Starfy is the only Assist Trophy you can damage. And that he's frigging useless. And that his Dojo update states: "Stafy, why did you even come here?!"

It says "Sometimes you may wonder "Stafy, why did you even come here?!" But that’s part of his charm."
It's not anti-starfy at all. I don't think he is as anti-starfy as everyone thinks. I think he wanted an assist trophy that could be attacked and due to a slight distaste for starfy, or even because he's just not familiar with his games, he chose him. Now, he has no excuse to not put Starfy in.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, starring in 2 games (no mather in this case if it's a remake or not) would give Roy the advantage above most other lords, like Marth and Ike do. But Chrome will still probably get in because his game is coming out now. Also, the remake would be made specifically for Smash fans who wanted to see Roy.

Sheik is yet to return despite her 'popularity'. But they rather had Impa in SS, so now I also rather have Impa in Smash. Seeing as she probably still has a future in the series, while Sheik doesn't except for yet another OoT rehash in 5 years :\

 

[Shorts]

HEY NOW, Pichu isn't that bad, I believe he isn't LAST on the Brazilian tier list?

Well, starring in 2 games (no mather in this case if it's a remake or not) would give Roy the advantage above most other lords, like Marth and Ike do. But Chrome will still probably get in because his game is coming out now. Also, the remake would be made specifically for Smash fans who wanted to see Roy.

Roy was in Melee. Roy > Chrome

Sheik is yet to return despite her 'popularity'. But they rather had Impa in SS, so now I also rather have Impa in Smash. Seeing as she probably still has a future in the series, while Sheik doesn't except for yet another OoT rehash in 5 years :\

Shiek Was in Melee and Brawl. Sheik > Impa

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I was searching smash wiki because I am pretty sure starfy isn't the only attackable AT and came across this

Presumably Starfy was planned to be playable, as under "Fighter Related" category in the Trophies, the trophy of his sister Stapy appears in the category. It could be said that just because he is an Assist Trophy, his series is in "Fighter Related", however, no Custom Robo or Animal Crossing trophies are in that category, despite Ray MK III and Mr. Resetti appearing as Assist Trophies, as well.

I know it probably doesn't mean much but it should be duly noted.

 

[Deleted member]

Now, he has no excuse to not put Starfy in.

Sakurai: "Sorry. Just didn't want him to be playable."

There's an excuse. It's not like Starfy is in dire need of being a Newcomer. Only ones I can see that are in dire need at this point are Ridley and K. Rool. And MAYBE Toad.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Zzuxon: You might be right there. Starfy could characterised as clumsy fellow which funnily mess up your plans on getting a good aid from Assist Trophy... but that's part of his charm...

Should I be happy... or disappointed...

 

[Deleted member]

Now if there's a series that is in dire need of a character, possibly two, it'd be the Famicon Wars series.
To which, two characters, IMO would be reasonable.
Andy, for the Advance Wars saga.
Brigadier Betty, for the Battalion Wars saga.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mewtwo's really on the last of my list of returners. But we all know why.

I wasn't referring to you earlier, Golden, over the correction. Captain Ganon's a hilarious name. But outside of that, you never play as Ganon in Smash. Just Ganondorf. I shouldn't need to Gannon-Ban some people, right?

 

[Arcadenik]

Sakurai: "Sorry. Just didn't want him to be playable."

There's an excuse. It's not like Starfy is in dire need of being a Newcomer. Only ones I can see that are in dire need at this point are Ridley and K. Rool.

But at the same time Sakurai was complaining about the apparent lack of character-based game series after Pikmin... so I think he might need to look into the new franchises that showed up after Melee came out for a couple newcomers.

 

[Zzuxon]

Sakurai: "Sorry. Just didn't want him to be playable."

There's an excuse. It's not like Starfy is in dire need of being a Newcomer. Only ones I can see that are in dire need at this point are Ridley and K. Rool.

IMO, Starfy is in dire need of being a newcomer. He has a series of 5 games that are very popular in Japan, and fairly popular in America. This makes him more worthy than almost any other misc. newcomer.

 

[Deleted member]

But at the same time Sakurai was complaining about the apparent lack of character-based game series after Pikmin... so I think he might need to look into the new franchises that showed up after Melee came out for a couple newcomers.

At the same time, we can't just assume that EVERY series is going to get a Newcomer.
Some are just plain not likely to get a character. Legendary Starfy is one of them.

 

[nLiM8d]

So what's the discussion about?

Bring on the hate train, saw this on TV: Shortie is this you?

 

[Zzuxon]

Now if there's a series that is in dire need of a character, possibly two, it'd be the Famicon Wars series.
To which, two characters, IMO would be reasonable.
Andy, for the Advance Wars saga.
Brigadier Betty, for the Battalion Wars saga.

I agree that Famicom wars needs a rep, though only 1, Andy.

 

[ChronoBound]

Now if there's a series that is in dire need of a character, possibly two, it'd be the Famicon Wars series.
To which, two characters, IMO would be reasonable.
Andy, for the Advance Wars saga.
Brigadier Betty, for the Battalion Wars saga.

Days of Ruin was never released in Japan, and all the other new Famicom Wars games bombed in Japan too. The best Famicom Wars can hope for is probably a stage.

 

[JavaCroc]

IMO, Starfy is in dire need of being a newcomer. He has a series of 5 games that are very popular in Japan, and fairly popular in America. This makes him more worthy than almost any other misc. newcomer.

Starfy is, IMO, up there with Little Mac, Isaac, and maybe Shulk for being worthy as both an individual and as a franchise for Smash Bros. character representation.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Geez GY, you make it sound like Sakurai's "Nintendo preferences in a fighting game". Biasness ruins fan reception and can do no good really for some series (SSB has a huge possibility on hindering Starfy-series' popularity more if new players sees Starfy first time in a biased joke-character fashion)

 

[Metal Overlord]

Am I the only one who gives not ONE damn about Pichu, Doc and Young Link being clones?

Maybe it's just nostalgia, but it was kinda cool, in my opinion, to see clones because it allowed characters that would have never gotten in otherwise to get in, and I also liked them because they were like alternate takes on already established characters (like for example, I liked the slightly slower and heavier version of Mario or the more nimble version of Link).

They aren't necessary and I won't lose sleep over them, but I wouldn't mind seeing them all come back even as "clony clones". There, I got that out of my chest...

 

[Deleted member]

IMO, Starfy is in dire need of being a newcomer. He has a series of 5 games that are very popular in Japan, and fairly popular in America. This makes him more worthy than almost any other misc. newcomer.

IYO.
By your line of thinking, Fire Emblem should have a ton of characters, due to being very popular in Japan, and having 10 games, 2 remakes, and a new game coming out.
But all we got in Brawl was 2 characters, with a 3rd planned but uncompleted.

Famicon Wars > Starfy easily.

 

[yani_]

Am I the only one who gives not ONE damn about Pichu, Doc and Young Link being clones?

Maybe it's just nostalgia, but it was kinda cool, in my opinion, to see clones because it allowed characters that would have never gotten in otherwise to get in, and I also liked them because they were like alternate takes on already established characters (like for example, I liked the slightly slower and heavier version of Mario or the more nimble version of Link).

They aren't necessary and I won't lose sleep over them, but I wouldn't mind seeing them all come back even as "clony clones". There, I got that out of my chest...

I'm with you pal.. idc about Young/Toon Link though.. I'm fine with either

 

[Deleted member]

As I have been saying, I don't give a **** that Doc is a clone. I want him back.

 

[Metal Overlord]

But at the same time Sakurai was complaining about the apparent lack of character-based game series after Pikmin... so I think he might need to look into the new franchises that showed up after Melee came out for a couple newcomers.

I wouldn't say he "complained" about it, he just simply noticed it. And just because he has noticed that doesn't mean he'll up and add new characters from entirely new series based solely on that. It's possible he could just add on to existing series and call it a day because of that, also.

 

[ChronoBound]

As I have been saying, I don't give a **** that Doc is a clone. I want him back.

The problem with Doc coming back is that a lot of people will see him as taking some other Mario character that did not get in's spot.

However, yeah, I would like to see Doc come back too, slot or costume.

 

[Arcadenik]

I was searching smash wiki because I am pretty sure starfy isn't the only attackable AT and came across this I know it probably doesn't mean much but it should be duly noted.

Oh my god... it is true! I cannot believe I never noticed this before! I turned on Brawl to verify this and I saw Stapy (Starly) under Fighter Related. Could it be possible that Starfy was planned to be playable at one point?

 

[Zzuxon]

IYO.
By your line of thinking, Fire Emblem should have a ton of characters, due to being very popular in Japan, and having 10 games, 2 remakes, and a new game coming out.
But all we got in Brawl was 2 characters, with a 3rd planned but uncompleted.

Famicon Wars > Starfy easily.

Famicom Wars=Starfy

By my line of reasoning, Fire Emblem should have 3 characters. Just like Metroid and Kirby. All 3 are around the same size.

 

[Shorts]

Melee trophies:

Custom Robo (Ray, Bayonette, Annie)
Animal Crossing (Nook, Slider, Resetti)
Kuru Kuru (Herin)
Weird Cube Dog (Alpha)
Pikmin (Olimar, Pikmin)
Excite Bike (Excited Biker)
Donkey Kong (Dk Jr, Stanley)
Duck Hunt (Ducks)
Clu Clu Land (Bubbles)
Wrecking Crew (Eggplant Man)
Mach Rider
Balloon Fighter
Kid Icarus (Pit)
Sim City (Dr. Write)
Shin Oni Ga Shima (Donbe & Hikari)
Famicom Detective Club (Ayumi Tachibana)
3D Hot Rally (Monster)
Diskun
Sheriff
Devil World (Tamagon)

These are most of the smaller titles/franchises listed in the Melee trophies. We know he's taken interest in quite a few of these characters, so there is a chance he may, once again pull from this list.

@N, "And I was like, why you so obsessed with me?"

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Regarding the alternate outfit topic, Super Mario Boards member, Brock, pretty much explained the cons about my inputs.

He heavily disagreed with the thought of treating Daisy and Rosalina as Peach alternate outfits.

That would be an interesting way for Nintendo to save time and claim they added the characters. It seems a little cheap though, so I dont see Nintendo doing it. It would basically be the same as actually adding Rosalina and Daisy, but they'd just be copies of Peach in terms of moves.

I dont see Nintendo going this route. It's simpler from an execution stand point, but not a good move from a playability stand point.

I later mentioned Dry Bowser, Dr. Mario, Kaptain K. Rool, and Baron K. Roolenstein, and he inputted...

Yeah, it would work well for some characters, but not all. Was just saying that in the case of peach/daisy/rosalina it was a cop-out and Nintendo would get roasted for it if they tried it.

Overall, this is just a different way to represent characters who aren't popular enough to be playable. The biggest con is that if the outfits heavily alter the character's appearance, that could be treated as an insult to the actual character.

 

[Diddy Kong]

HEY NOW, Pichu isn't that bad, I believe he isn't LAST on the Brazilian tier list?

I liked Pichu a lot, and he was quite unique as a clone actually. He had quite some moves of his own, as the Up Smash and Down Smash. Plus his overall style was unique as the weakest and lightest character of all, who hurted himself even.

Roy was in Melee. Roy > Chrome

Roy was in for what reasons again?

Was in Melee and Brawl. Sheik > Impa

Sheik had luck getting into Melee. Was personally thinking Zelda was getting her rapier from TP, and a Midna transformation. Instead we got lame old Sheik. Hope that doesn't happen for Smash 4.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Arcadenik:...


Soooo does Sakurai hate him??? I'm quite DAMN HAPPY for this discovery, but also very confused. What happened?

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm with you pal.. idc about Young/Toon Link though.. I'm fine with either

TBH, now that I think about, I think Young Link is the only one that probably shouldn't come back... we don't need 3 Links, and if he were to replace Toon Link, that'd be kinda going backwards, wouldn't it (replacing the character that replaced you in the first place...)?

 

[Deleted member]

The problem with Doc coming back is that a lot of people will see him as taking some other Mario character that did not get in's spot.

However, yeah, I would like to see Doc come back too, slot or costume.

I view it this way.
He was in Melee, was planned for Brawl, and no other Mario character was added to Brawl. So clearly, no one was good enough to be added at the time.
But, with Toad having NSMBW under his belt, Toad may be seen as "good enough" now.

So Doc returning and Toad being added is all that's needed.

 

[victinivcreate1]

I liked Pichu a lot, and he was quite unique as a clone actually. He had quite some moves of his own, as the Up Smash and Down Smash. Plus his overall style was unique as the weakest and lightest character of all, who hurted himself even.



Roy was in for what reasons again?



Sheik had luck getting into Melee. Was personally thinking Zelda was getting her rapier from TP, and a Midna transformation. Instead we got lame old Sheik. Hope that doesn't happen for Smash 4.

Dude Impa is relevant due to Skyward Sword but Sheik is to because of Ocarina 3D

 

[Diddy Kong]

Impa did more in SS than Sheik did though. Also, everytime Sheik returns, Impa returns to cause she is in OoT.