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[Deleted member]

Obviously, you didn't. Read the ENTIRE thing, including the part where I added "OR".

@SSBF You mean tiers, right?

I was referring to Sakurai having to balance out multiple entire rosters if we replace characters for DLC. But as Young Horsetail said, tier adjustments would be crazy.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's why I suggested the rotate slot system. Nobody gets replaced. Of course, balance is a nightmare. Nobody disagrees with that.

Also, I prefer Assist Trophies. If only because Assist Commands is just literally ripping it from MvC. The AT's were pretty original.

 

[Diddy Kong]

AT's are just like Pokéballs, but with less variation and no Pokémon characters. They should try to make AT's with many more characters, especially those who already are thropies.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I agree with hyper plus IMO assist commmands would be boring all they would do is "appear from the side/hammer space, do something, then disappear to the side/hammer space" XD

@shortie
Someone here said that Rosalina was originally supposed to be an AT but was changed to gardevoir because of similar structures.

 

[nLiM8d]

I have sincere doubts that Nintendo is going to go through all that effort.

Wasn't there a bug on Other M that they fixed using like a download via the user's SD card?

They should try to make AT's with many more characters, especially those who already are thropies.

With you on the last part.

 

[Shorts]

AT's were SO original. They were the first item you pick up, and a character pops out and preforms and attack. THE FIRST.

I don't like ATs either. They feel like Pokeballs. But, maybe they were supposed to feel like that? I've heard that Gardevior was planned to be an AT at one point? I think it was her. It was a Pokemon for sure.

As for balancing, Sakurai should just do patches.

 

[Oasis_S]

Would anyone like being able to STORE items. I wonder if the competitive players would like that kind of depth.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Hmm, I see... At least I'd like to let an assist accompany my character, and I don't everyone would attackers. Some could give you support, act like an item, etc.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Pokémon ATs don't make sence... i'd like some more Fire Emblem ones actually. Generic classes like Druids, Generals or Wyvernriders would be cool.

Also characters who where cut before would make awesome ATs. Young Link, Dr.Mario, Roy, Sheik...

 

[nLiM8d]

Would anyone like being able to STORE items. I wonder if the competitive players would like that kind of depth.

Leave that one for the Kuma-Chu debates.

 

[Shorts]

Impa would make a great sticker...

 

[Metal Overlord]

Patches aren't always proven to fix stuff, especially netcode/lag problems...

 

[Big-Cat]

Just wondering, how do you think they should improve Assist Trophies? I still find em "appear, do something, disapper"-styled, and thus, boring.

Why they can't like pull off Marvel Vs Capcom and bring us assist command characters...

Probably because of the control scheme. That being said, I would like it if you could store an AT and then use it like a MvC assist but one time only.

Would anyone like being able to STORE items. I wonder if the competitive players would like that kind of depth.

Actually, that could be something worth looking into. Make it something like Street Fighter X Tekken's gem system and I think we'd be looking at something that could very well satisfy both ends of the spectrum.

 

[---]

i'd like some more Fire Emblem ones actually. Generic classes like Druids, Generals or Wyvernriders would be cool.

Pegasus Sisters. Enough said.

 

[Oasis_S]

When hammers and stars are involved, things get a big complex though.

I dunno, that was just one of the first things I imagined that SCREEN being used for. On either version, I guess.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Impa would make a great sticker...

She already is one iirc.

 

[Metal Overlord]

You could also use the tablet to manipulate the events on the stage (think PictoChat from Brawl)

 

[Big-Cat]

When hammers and stars are involved, things get a big complex though.

I dunno, that was just one of the first things I imagined that SCREEN being used for. On either version, I guess.

Which is why I said make it something like SFxTK. The gems, from what we've seen, aren't too bad in terms of boosts and they last no more than 30 seconds.

Smash items, on the other hand, toss balance out of the window for better or worse.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I kinda liked the Franklin Badge in Brawl though. But lots and lots of items really became very powerful all of the sudden in Brawl. In Melee lots of attacks where still strong as items where, but Brawl it feels less so.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Patches aren't always proven to fix stuff, especially netcode/lag problems...

Damn straight.

Impa for AT.

 

[JavaCroc]

Are we talking items now?

Here's an idea:

Another item idea, a very simply one at that: Wastepaper, as found in Chibi-Robo.

Basically, it's just scraps of paper lying around on the ground. You can pick them up an throw them at people for minor damage. When they hit a person, they explode in shreds of paper. Very simple item.

The one unique attribute of them is sometimes when they explode, they'll instead explode with stickers flying out, which can be collected of course.



And also, the Bull Cap from both the original Wario Land and Virtual Boy Wario Land:

Basically imagine the above pith helmet with spikes.

Wearing the Bull Cap grants you increased power, and one unique ability; if you jump towards a ceiling while wearing the Bull Cap, the horns will stick into the ceiling and you will hang from it. You can then jump down from your spot and use your attacks or jump again. This makes this item extremely useful for recovery, especially under stages like Battlefield.

Mario_and_Sonic_Guy had a concept for it called "Cubeivore". Which was a solid concept.

The name was actually Rotohex.

 

[Oasis_S]

Maybe just tweak the spawn rates? Maybe you're lucky enough to grab a star and STORE IT, and when your opponent has you on the ROPES, you take it out.

I wonder what other situations could be done. Honestly, I'm remembering Mario Kart: Double Dash!! when I think of this. In that you could only hold two items at once. Keeping it at two would keep things simple.

OH. What if like with the Dragoon parts, you could knock held items off?

 

[Deleted member]

You could also use the tablet to manipulate the events on the stage (think PictoChat from Brawl)

Mario_and_Sonic_Guy had a concept for it called "Cubeivore". Which was a solid concept.

 

[ChronoBound]

For a Fire Emblem Assist Trophy, I would like to see someone from Seisen no Keifu. Sety with Holsety, Alvis with Falaflame, Ishtar with Throhammer, or Julia with Narga would all be good choices.

 

[Oasis_S]

Alvis is a huge ****.

Spoiler

What is that thing he does before he ENDS YOUR GAME?

He should do that and say something evil like "Your time ends now." Or something. I'll have to watch that cutscene again. Surely he says something good.

 

[ChronoBound]

Alvis is a huge ****.

Spoiler

What is that thing he does before he ENDS YOUR GAME?

He should do that and say something evil like "Your time ends now." Or something. I'll have to watch that cutscene again. Surely he says something good.

Spoilers ahoy. Alvis is much more complicated though. Definitely a tragic villain, and definitely the deepest antagonist there is in a Nintendo game.

 

[Deleted member]

For a Fire Emblem Assist Trophy, I would like to see someone from Seisen no Keifu. Sety with Holsety, Alvis with Falaflame, Ishtar with Throhammer, or Julia with Narga would all be good choices.

What are your thoughts on Sigurd/Celice being Assist Trophy, who were lords in FE4?

 

[ChronoBound]

What are your thoughts on Sigurd/Celice being Assist Trophy, who were lords in FE4?

I actually think Celice could work really well as a costume for Marth.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ash Crimson, Bridget, and Marth - The Holy Trinity of Traps

 

[---]

FE4 and 5 definitly deserve at least some representation, it's a shame they didn't get it in Brawl (unless the costumes count).

Personally I'd like to hear this song.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Kuma: lulz, where's Bugsy from PKMN? He's infamous for being a trap...

 

[ChronoBound]

Seisen no Keifu and Thracia 776 were the only Fire Emblems to receive no content at all in Brawl.

 

[Shorts]

Wow! I thought Marth couldn't get anymore camp! I like that costume though, even if I have no idea who it's supposed to be.

What about something like a FE item? Like, a spear? Simple. You gain a lot more reach when using you can aim where you throw it.

Wellit'sbeenoutfor16yearsandonlytheninJapansoproba blynoonehereisgoingtoplayitbutohwell. Pretty sure I don't want to know any more of Alvis since it'll probably just make me cry Strong tears.

Better get your mop out.

 

[Oasis_S]

Spoilers ahoy. Alvis is much more complicated though. Definitely a tragic villain, and definitely the deepest antagonist there is in a Nintendo game.

Wellit'sbeenoutfor16yearsandonlytheninJapansoprobablynoonehereisgoingtoplayitbutohwell. Pretty sure I don't want to know any more of Alvis since it'll probably just make me cry Strong tears.

 

[nLiM8d]

Makes a grown man cry?

Sadistic

Thumbs up Java! The horn cap would be an excellent Wario addition from an excellent Wario game.

I've yet to try out that wall cling ability you speak of, sounds campy: much like the Vikings?

 

[Deleted member]

I actually think Celice could work really well as a costume for Marth.

When I saw the box cover for FE4, I seriously though that was Marth. So it could work.

And yeah, I do find the unequal amount of representation in Fire Emblem sad. Hopefully, Sakurai will recognize this and add some trophies, stickers, and perhaps a few remixes of musics.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I wonder will they keep Lip's Stick as an item. I wish they won't.
Sakurai taking Lip's own property and never giving any credit to her is ticking me off: I mean, Brawl's Lip's Stick-trophy mentions absolutely nothing about Lip herself.

 

[Deleted member]

If it were up to Sakurai, we would get THIS guy as a new FE character.

Spoiler

 

[Pichu Fan]

^who is that? sorry, i dont know much bout fire emblem.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wonder will they keep Lip's Stick as an item. I wish they
won't.
Sakurai taking Lip's own property and never giving any credit to her is ticking me off: I mean, Brawl's trophy mentions absolutely nothing about Lip herself.

...Because it's about the item and not her. She needs her own Trophy. That's like talking about Bowser/Kirby's(depends where it consider it from) in the Star Wand Trophy. It makes absolutely no sense. And unless Lip becomes playable, the item should stay. Actually, keep it anyway. One of the best skilled items we could get.