New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Deleted member]

How about we discuss out little "nitpick" topics?

I want the post game achievement system, in Melee, to return. That was something I missed in Brawl, when my family and I would play Melee we used to go through our list after each match and tally our accomplishments (or failures)... They were fun little extras that added to the game.

Yeah.

Anyway, for SSB4 Wii-U version, I want to see Melee's Adventure Mode-type back and put the SSE-like story on the 3DS.

 

[Pieman0920]

I really don't understand the appeal of Toad. Most of the things that he could bring to the table, or at least suggested of him, are things that others can do, and in general are just abilities that Toad borrows from others. He also doesn't give off the feel of a fighter by any means. I'm aware toads have fought and all, copying Mario and what not, but that still doesn't change that they are short mushroom capped guys who usually don't do anything of use besides exposition. So really, I can't understand what people would want that he could bring or why people would want him as a character. But that's just my view on it.

Anyways, as for nitpicky things that could be changed, the bonus records would be nice to see back, though it'd be a pain to try to get whatever trophy is associated with getting all of them. As for my own nitpickish thing that I'd like, is that when in My Music, you should be able to take a single song and assign it to the R button, so that whenever you selected a stage and held down R, it would automatically play that song no matter what.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Melee's Adventure Mode was terribad.

 

[Oasis_S]

How about we discuss out little "nitpick" topics?

I want the post game achievement system, in Melee, to return. That was something I missed in Brawl, when my family and I would play Melee we used to go through our list after each match and tally our accomplishments (or failures)... They were fun little extras that added to the game.

Oh yeah, I really missed those. >:

I only needed THREE MORE of them to get the Diskun trophy... Then my data got lost somehow. Why do you bring back these painful memories??

Also I like that My Music idea. It'd be nice if you could actually TURN OFF a song, too. So that it would never play ever.

 

[reserk]

for the love of god, enough about toad already! he's a minor character. why do you think waluigi and daisy aren't playable? because they are only cameos in certain mario games, they don't have their own games, like mario, luigi, and even wario. toad is no different. if anything, paper mario is more likely to get in than toad.

 

[Pieman0920]

Also I like that My Music idea. It'd be nice if you could actually TURN OFF a song, too. So that it would never play ever.

I thought sliding the bar down to zero made it so it would never play.

 

[Starphoenix]

Anyways, as for nitpicky things that could be changed, the bonus records would be nice to see back, though it'd be a pain to try to get whatever trophy is associated with getting all of them. As for my own nitpickish thing that I'd like, is that when in My Music, you should be able to take a single song and assign it to the R button, so that whenever you selected a stage and held down R, it would automatically play that song no matter what.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Melee's Adventure Mode was terribad.

Or how about just not have a trophy that's conditions are satisfied by achieving every bonus record? I swear it took 2 years to unlock that idiotic Diskun trophy...

Here is a better idea, how about when you hold down R it pops up a mini menu for My Music and you just select a specific track from the list? It would really help out with those "theme" matches we all love.

EDIT: Yes turning the slider down completely makes the song unplayable.

 

[refugee]

How about we discuss out little "nitpick" topics?

I want the post game achievement system, in Melee, to return. That was something I missed in Brawl, when my family and I would play Melee we used to go through our list after each match and tally our accomplishments (or failures)... They were fun little extras that added to the game.

Yes, those stats were amazing! I really they are brought back again. Wasn't there a mode that centered around them?

The StarTropics games have never made it to Japan.

And if Mike Jones didn't even get a sticker in Brawl...

Does Sakurai even know he exists? O_o

 

[Deleted member]

This is also something that could be nitpicked, but depending on if all the criteria are fulfilled:

- 44 character slots with 9/10 good newcomers
- Great online with all the basic functions needed + voice chat
- Simple, but good single-player mode (No SSE-like experience on Wii-U please)
- The continuation of having fantastic multi-player
- Further decloning clones and not introducing new lugified/full clones to the mix

Then I would like for the series to take a break and skip a gen or two. Reason being is that I can see the quality of the series declining with SSB5 in the ninth-gen and I want to ensure that when a new Smash game comes, it is as good if not better then the last one.

Also, I would like to see the ability to put music in different stages. You know, be able to put a Mario theme in a Metroid stage if you feel like it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

for the love of god, enough about toad already! he's a minor character. why do you think waluigi and daisy aren't playable? because they are only cameos in certain mario games, they don't have their own games, like mario, luigi, and even wario. toad is no different. if anything, paper mario is more likely to get in than toad.

Toad's been playable in more games than a lot of Mario characters, and I can't think of a game he's not in.

 

[refugee]

This is also something that could be nitpicked, but depending on if all the criteria are fulfilled:

- 44 character slots with 9/10 good newcomers
- Great online with all the basic functions needed + voice chat
- Simple, but good single-player mode (No SSE-like experience on Wii-U please)
- The continuation of having fantastic multi-player
- Further decloning clones and not introducing new lugified/full clones to the mix

Then I would like for the series to take a break and skip a gen or two. Reason being is that I can see the quality of the series declining with SSB5 in the ninth-gen and I want to ensure that when a new Smash game comes, it is as good if not better then the last one.

Also throw in DLC, a better stage maker, and maybe even a basic music maker (Mario Paint level). If all this was done then this game would last a loooonnnnngggg time.

We need Shadow and Waluigi off that list. In favor of Ridley and Little Mac perhaps. (or Sukapon )

FTFY

 

[reserk]

Toad's been playable in more games than a lot of Mario characters, and I can't think of a game he's not in.

sorry but mario kart and mario party dont count. so far mario was playable in his games, luigi had his own game in luigi's mansion, peach had super princess peach, and wario had warioware and shake it. shoot even bowser was playable in paper mario 2 and super paper mario. toad was nothing more than for show on those games. paper mario is more likely since he has his own series.

 

[refugee]

sorry but mario kart and mario party dont count. so far mario was playable in his games, luigi had his own game in luigi's mansion, peach had super princess peach, and wario had warioware and shake it. shoot even bowser was playable in paper mario 2 and super paper mario. toad was nothing more than for show on those games. paper mario is more likely since he has his own series.

coughWarioWoodscough

 

[Hoots]

This is also something that could be nitpicked, but depending on if all the criteria are fulfilled:

- 44 character slots with 9/10 good newcomers
- Great online with all the basic functions needed + voice chat
- Simple, but good single-player mode (No SSE-like experience on Wii-U please)
- The continuation of having fantastic multi-player
- Further decloning clones and not introducing new lugified/full clones to the mix

Then I would like for the series to take a break and skip a gen or two. Reason being is that I can see the quality of the series declining with SSB5 in the ninth-gen and I want to ensure that when a new Smash game comes, it is as good if not better then the last one.

Also, I would like to see the ability to put music in different stages. You know, be able to put a Mario theme in a Metroid stage if you feel like it.

There's no reason to not have 50 characters. There are plenty of deserving characters that merit inclusion and with the WiiU's power and storage, I don't see why not. Especially since Sakurai is apparently being equipped with a fleet of employees. It shouldn't be too hard. I would also love declonification but then again that DOES add on extra stress to the project which might cut new characters. Although I'm not sure how hard that is. I couldn't give 2 sh*ts about stage builder or coin launcher or single player mode or stuff like that. I was just playing SSE today with my niece and I was absolutely flabbergasted at how atrocious it was. Like HORRIBLE. And you need to consider ALL of the resources they dumped into that pile. It's awful.

 

[Shorts]

My nitpicks would be how all the trophies in melee seemed super awesome, because we hadn't seen all those characters in such "good graphics" before. I hope they make the new trophies from scratch, or close. I also want the personal tier match up list thing from SSB64.

 

[Deleted member]

There's no reason to not have 50 characters. There are plenty of deserving characters that merit inclusion and with the WiiU's power and storage, I don't see why not. Especially since Sakurai is apparently being equipped with a fleet of employees. It shouldn't be too hard. I would also love declonification but then again that DOES add on extra stress to the project which might cut new characters. Although I'm not sure how hard that is. I couldn't give 2 sh*ts about stage builder or coin launcher or single player mode or stuff like that. I was just playing SSE today with my niece and I was absolutely flabbergasted at how atrocious it was. Like HORRIBLE. And you need to consider ALL of the resources they dumped into that pile. It's awful.

Bolded, you obviously aren't taking into consideration transformations. He did with Melee and Brawl and he will be doing it again with SSB4 after the character roster is fully revealed. I'm not saying we won't get 50 slots as that is certainly possible, but you must take into consideration transformation. Therefore, unless you're taking into account transformations, a more accurate translation is 46 slots. That's why I'm only expecting 44 slots in the game, because it's close to Sakurai's statement of 50 characters including transformations in the mix.

And honestly, there are a lot of characters we want to be in the game, but that doesn't mean they need to be in it. In my opinion, there are only nine characters that truly deserve to be in. They are:

- Mega Man (Classic Mega Man)
- King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)
- Ridley (Metroid)
- Ray (Custom Robo)
- Saki Amamiya (Sin & Punishment)
- Takamaru (The Mysterious Mursame Castle)
- Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
- Isaac (Golden Sun)
- Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)

Don't get me wrong, I also have a lot of character I would love to see, but really, these four are usually agreed on the most in what people want, the rest have either definite relevancy issue (Samurai Goroh), has a hate fan base (Tingle), constant arguments between who should get in (Zoroark/Victini and Bowser Jr./Toad/Paper Mario), or flat-out aren't requested enough to be considered (Lip). These are the only nine characters I have seen that have yet to face much opposition from people and are generally agreed on that people want in. These nine listed truly deserve to be playable in Smash because most people will be happy with these inclusions.

Who else are as deserving as these nine?

 

[TBone06]

- Mega Man (Classic Mega Man)
- King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)
- Ridley (Metroid)
- Ray (Custom Robo)
- Saki Amamiya (Sin & Punishment)
- Takamaru (The Mysterious Mursame Castle)
- Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
- Isaac (Golden Sun)
- Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)


Who else are as deserving as these nine?

Agreed that most of those are deserving, maybe I'm not educated, but briefly, why does Takamaru belong in that group?

 

[Pieman0920]

Or how about just not have a trophy that's conditions are satisfied by achieving every bonus record? I swear it took 2 years to unlock that idiotic Diskun trophy...

Here is a better idea, how about when you hold down R it pops up a mini menu for My Music and you just select a specific track from the list? It would really help out with those "theme" matches we all love.

Well I guess that's the challenge. :V

Anyways, I don't quite like that idea. It seems a bit messy, you know? I'd rather have it be quick, even if its a bit more limited.

 

[KassemG]

Edit: Don't think that's going to work, thanks for the effort.

 

[Barbasol]

I'd keep Megaman off just because he's third party. I'd love him in, but I wouldn't say his approval is universal. Takamaru is also a bit 'eh', mainly because people can't decide on who they want as the retro character Takamaru/Mach Rider/Mike Jones/Muddy Mole/Lip/Sheriff/Tamagon/etc.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

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[TBone06]

I'd keep Megaman off just because he's third party. I'd love him in, but I wouldn't say his approval is universal. Takamaru is also a bit 'eh', mainly because people can't decide on who they want as the retro character Takamaru/Mach Rider/Mike Jones/Muddy Mole/Lip/Sheriff/Tamagon/etc.

Megaman however is definitely the top choice for many for third party characters. That is if they have 3rd parties again. As much as I don't know much about the retro era, Takamaru sounds like the best choice out of the ones you listed. But I still think Balloon Fighter would be an interesting choice. More unique than another sword fighter in my opinion, although we don't have a samurai yet.

 

[MelMoe]

I see that character discussions are still the primary topic so I guess I'll post this

[collapse="Character Wishlist"]
MARIO
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr. or Toad (Both?) (perhaps Jr. on 3DS & Toad on Wii U)

Mario should get a new down B to from his most recent game or the Mario Tornado
Luigi should incorporate his vacuum in someway (grabs? Down B? Final Smash? Just a taunt?)
Maybe Luigi could use lightning as his neutral B?
I want something from Super Princess Peach for Peach like the Perry parasol
At least a taunt from Bowser's Inside Story for Bowser
Lately I've been leaning towards Bowser Jr. because I can actually see myself having more fun with him.
I can see Toad being playable as well, but I'm afraid that he'll just end up with moves based on spin-offs.

YOSHI
Yoshi
His tongue should be longer & be a tether.

WARIO
Wario
I don't really know anything about the Wario games, but I would like a more moves based on WarioLand

DONKEY KONG
Donkey Kong
Diddy & Dixie
King K. Rool

I would love to see a barrel throwing move for Donkey Kong, but he is fine as is.
I won't be disappointed if Dixie isn't included but I feel since she was planned for Brawl it may be a possibility.
I would love to see a paired team to reflect the DKC games. They would play as a tag team & not two characters at once like the Ice Climbers. Dixie would follow Diddy around at walking speed without attacking or taking damage & she can't be knocked back. She's pretty much invincible & appears to be covered by a shadow like the DKC series when she isn't being controlled. When Diddy loses a stock she jumps into a barrel & it disappears (kind of like a reverse entrance). She could be switched with a taunt.
Sadly, King K. Rool & Dixie's chances may have dwindled since they weren't in DKCR, but there could always be a sequel featuring both.

KIRBY
Kirby
MetaKnight
King Dedede

LEGEND OF ZELDA
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Young or Toon Link (3DS or Wii U exclusive?)

Make Link be able to shoot sword beams with his forward smash when he has 0%?
Ganondorf makes me so disappointed. When I play as an evil wizard I would expect him to be one. Sure he has a darkness effect, but where is that projectile. I say throw out most of his cloned moveset & give him abilities from the games. Also no sword please, not even as a taunt, I never liked the idea of a random sword; Twilight Princess made it all the rage. A character that uses a weapon as their main form of attack without that “particular” weapon being special or related to that character would be just dumb to me. All weapon wielding characters in Brawl use a weapon that they always obtain/have in their games. With the remake of Ocarina of Time I'm very hopeful to see Ganondorf to based on that game.
If Young Link makes the cut, I want him to use items that he can in OoT (since it is being remade & not MM). He should use a slingshot instead of a bow at least, idk about the clawshot grab though. I think a taunt involving a mask would be okay.

LEGEND OF ZELDA SPIN-OFFS
Tingle (3DS or Wii U exclusive?)

Some of you may go “eeeewww,” but I would find him hilarious to play as & he has spin-offs titles. If you're going to say that he is “hated” because he's a fairy-man in tights; then I'm going to say I hate Wario because I think he looks like a smelly pervert in overalls. If he didn't have his own series then I wouldn't have even considered him.

METROID
Samus/ZSS
Ridley

Samus needs a buff & make her a little less “floaty”. She should also use her grapple beam from her hand like in the Prime series.
I never liked ZSS. I think her moveset is rather bland & would actually be glade if she doesn't return.
If Ridley doesn't make it this time I will be very disappointed.

STARFOX
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Of course all of them should be more differentiated. Fix Wolf's awful recovery, that thing is so glitchy to me.
I was one of those who was all for Krystal, but now idk. Yes she could use her staff, but hasn't touched it since she was introduced so her moveset might not even include it. The only things I see going for Krystal at this point is that she's female & could use her staff. Has anyone actually though of a moveset without it? Three characters is a good amount for the series at this point anyways.

F-ZERO
Captain Falcon
Series needs to be revived for me to consider a possibility of a new character.

POKEMON
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (2nd Gen. or 3rd Gen.) (3DS exclusive)
Jigglypuff or a replacement (Wii U exclusive?)
5th Gen Pokemon
Mewtwo (Wii U exclusive?)

Yep, Lucario is not on my list. I believe he will be replaced.
The Trainer was one of my favorite additions & I really hope he returns. I actually don't mind what pokemon he comes with, but I believe the latest remake will be in SSB4. BTW my favorite of the starters is Quilava & I would hope to see it.
I do like Jigglypuff & I would be sad if she is gone but not angry. I just want to play as another pokemon for a while.
A pokemon from the 5th generation is inevitable. Who? Zoroark? Victini? idk yet let's wait to see who shines from the others.
I really want to see Mewtwo make a comeback. But only if they can make him more interesting & more powerful.

FIRE EMBLEM
Marth
Ike (Wii U exclusive)
New Character (3DS exclusive)

I think a 3rd character is very likely. I would prefer someone fresh from a new game, but Roy is still possible. (decloned please)
A 4th may even be a possibility based on the amount of games the series has. But I believe more games should escape from the “Japan Only” theme before that happens.

MOTHER
Ness or Lucas(both?) (perhaps Wii U has Ness & 3DS has Lucas)

I had a lovely experience playing Earthbound not too long ago, so I prefer Ness over Japan-exclusive Lucas. I also don't think we need both in the next game.
It would be very nice to see more moves they learn from their games to be in their moveset without the excuse of someone teaching them.
It would be quite a surprise if only Ninten appeared in the sequel.

PIKMIN
Olimar (Wii U exclusive)

GOLDEN SUN
Isaac or Matthew (3DS exclusive)
I like Isaac more, but I understand if the new protagonist is chosen instead.

PUNCH-OUT
Little Mac (Wii U exclusive)

KID ICARUS
Pit
New Character

Palunta, Medusa, Magnus (Sword Guy from Trailer)?
I very excited about Kid Icarus Uprising. I'm curious to see what changes we may see with Pit. Maybe even a new character.

THE LEGENDARY STARFY
Starfy (3DS exlusive)
I haven't played a game yet, but plan to. I've seen good moveset possibilities & would love to see this adorable guy.

RETRO/WTF
Ice Climbers
Mr, Game & Watch
Rob
Takamaru
Don't really care for ROB. So I don't care what happens to him.

THIRD PARTY
Sonic
Snake
MegaMan

I think both Sonic & Snake will return.
I want some changes made to Sonic's moveset; mainly his side special (light dash?) & improvement on some of his other moves.
I did doubt Snake's return, but with the remake coming out on the 3DS I changed my mind.
Megaman is the obvious choice for another 3rd party.
I don't really know if a fourth 3rd is necessary; there are many possibilities.

I believe Wii U will have 45-50 character & 3DS will have 35-40; or there might have the same amount of characters on each but with exclusive characters.

OTHER CHARACTERS I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING
Paper Mario
Captain Syrup
Dark Samus
Deoxys
Meowth
Tom Nook
Jill Drozer
Saki Amamiya or Iza Jo
Chibi-Robo
Sukapon
Lip
[/collapse]

 

[Kantrip]

Post above is great and roster is almost perfect!

 

[MelMoe]

Post above is great and roster is almost perfect!

thanks

 

[Kantrip]

If anything, I'd say the flaw is in not enough WTF factor, and there are too many logical choices in there. I'd like to see at least one character that makes me say "wow, I was not expecting that, but I love it!"

Pretty close to what I'd like to see about now. A good WTF might be something lulzy and yet still deserving like Tom Nook or something. I like Tingle in there, him with Balloon Fighter type recovery and aerial fighting tactics would represent two series with one stone.

 

[Berserker.]

sorry but mario kart and mario party dont count. so far mario was playable in his games, luigi had his own game in luigi's mansion, peach had super princess peach, and wario had warioware and shake it. shoot even bowser was playable in paper mario 2 and super paper mario. toad was nothing more than for show on those games. paper mario is more likely since he has his own series.

Wario's woods >.>

Those three all channel their strength in different ways.

Donkey Kong is the only one of those who only has strength, and I doubt other strong characters would slam the ground with their palms or headbutt their opponent into the ground.

Bowser can breathe fire, and it bears mentioning that he mostly uses his claws.

Ganondorf's justification is that he uses dark magic. Hell, he chokes his victim for one of his attacks.

Toad offers nothing new to the table, except mushrooms.

Well... asides from mushrooms:

Strong attacks with fast speed. I don't know any other fighter who has those stats except Kirby and Pikachu. Kirby inhales. Pikachu uses lightning. Toad uses mushrooms(End of discussion)

He only always has a Minor role. Very few occasions is this not true. Toad has popularity, that's pretty much it.

Asides from that, he's also one of the big demands of fans just like the others. He's also important to the series. That's pretty much it. He doesn't need to have a huge role to get in.

My chosen WTF character is Tom Nook. I bet none of you would expect him.

Anyone can think of achievements in SSB 4?

Metroid Other M - Ridley

 

[Kantrip]

Sure, achievements sounds like fun!

Beat All-star mode on any difficulty without using any Heart Containers.
Reward:

Spoiler

Heart Container Trophy

Discover all pokémon from pokéballs.
Reward:

Spoiler

Mewtwo playable.

Beat all Target Smash levels with all characters.
Reward:

Spoiler

Little Mac playable.

Reach a combined total of 3 hours spent in the air.
Reward:

Spoiler

The Flying Krock stage.

 

[Berserker.]

I meant, achievements like the ones in the XBOX 360 and PS3

 

[Shorts]

I really like MelMoe's roster. He also left a little sweet spot that I would love to discuss:

OTHER CHARACTERS I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING
Paper Mario
Captain Syrup
Dark Samus
Deoxys
Meowth
Tom Nook
Jill Drozer
Saki Amamiya or Iza Jo
Chibi-Robo
Sukapon
Lip

Look at all these beautiful character ideas! They are less likely, which really sucks, but a person who lists Paper Mario, Captain Syrup, Dark Samus, Meowth, Deoxys and Tom Nook, is a good person. We always talk about characters who are most likely to make it in, and I personally enjoy the less likely characters a lot more. I'm smart, and I know who is ans isn't likely, but that doesn't mean I don't freaking love Meowth, or Gooey!

 

[Kantrip]

Lol, those types of achievements are boring. Stop having boring achievements, stop having a boring life! No, but actually, if the WiiU supports an achievement system like that for all games, it's cool.

 

[Berserker.]

I really like MelMoe's roster. He also left a little sweet spot that I would love to discuss:



Look at all these beautiful character ideas! They are less likely, which really sucks, but a person who lists Paper Mario, Captain Syrup, Dark Samus, Meowth, Deoxys and Tom Nook, is a good person. We always talk about characters who are most likely to make it in, and I personally enjoy the less likely characters a lot more. I'm smart, and I know who is ans isn't likely, but that doesn't mean I don't freaking love Meowth, or Gooey!

Honestly.

I'd find it cool if Waddle Dee were playable. Most of the less likely characters are the ones most people want more than the more likely/deserving. I can't believe I'm saying this but that includes all those stupid suggestions by the Game FAQ and IGN boards.

Lol, those types of achievements are boring. Stop having boring achievements, stop having a boring life! No, but actually, if the WiiU supports an achievement system like that for all games, it's cool.

That's not what I meant.

I know it's boring.. For you... but it's inevitable.

 

[Berserker.]

Son of a----

Double post >_<. STOP EDITING!!!

 

[Kantrip]

Muahahahahahahahahaha!

-bans-

I also want to see coins go to more use or be harder to obtain. They are so useless because they seem inifinite once you play for a bit.

 

[Berserker.]

Muahahahahahahahahaha!

-bans-

I also want to see coins go to more use or be harder to obtain. They are so useless because they seem inifinite once you play for a bit.

You can use the coins to buy some stuff from the smash store!

Featuring new stuff including art work, music, character costumes and videos of the development!

 

[SixWingedAsura]

You can use the coins to buy some stuff from the smash store!

Featuring new stuff including art work, music, character costumes and videos of the development!

I love it! And if there's new DLC, make some of it unlockable via Smash Coins! Finally, a reason to actually have them instead of firing them nonstop (even at non-targets) in that stupid minigame!

 

[Kantrip]

Along with a super special prize that costs 1,000,000 (yes, a million coins).

Psssst, it's a secret character!

 

[SixWingedAsura]

Along with a super special prize that costs 1,000,000 (yes, a million coins).

Psssst, it's a secret character!

Mario?

Spoiler

Seriously though...Fierce Deity Link?

 

[Berserker.]

Is it Cloud?

 

[Kantrip]

It would totally be a note that says,

"thank you for the donation but you haven't finished yet,
come back with 2,000,000 coins!"

When you bring those, there is another note that says

"thank you for the donation but you haven't finished yet,
come back with 5,000,000 coins!"

Then finally you get there and you find a note that says

"you have finally paid off your debt, congratulations!"

Then you unlock Tom Nook


YAY 500TH POST lol

 

[Barbasol]

Tom Nook WOULD be the best character for a coin style purchase. He's not really all that expected, he's not a very serious character, and his main role is being your loan shark.