New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Buci01]

What does MYM mean?
Make your Moveset?

And Stage Maker should return... and let you have photos/pictures as backgrounds. I thought it was a bit boring to only have three super generic backgrounds.

 

[Deleted member]

What does MYM mean?
Make your Moveset?

Make Your Move, it's a moveset-making contest that you can find a few threads down.

 

[Gamingboy]

I'm hoping they have another big epic Latin-chorus theme song remix.

 

[Beninator]

I'm hoping they have another big epic Latin-chorus theme song remix.

I'd be content with a remix of the Audi Famam thing.

EDIT: As long as it is the ONLY remix of Audi Famam.

 

[Big-Cat]

I hope not as that song was milked way too much in Brawl. It's a good song and everything, but you start to hate it after a while.

 

[Starphoenix]

I hope not as that song was milked way too much in Brawl. It's a good song and everything, but you start to hate it after a while.

Kind of like Jungle Japes...

That is how I feel with the character art. They used the same piece of art for everything. Couldn't even come up with any else.

 

[Kazyx]

I've personally never understood all the hate for Waluigi. He's probably one of my favorite characters. As much as I'd like to see him in, I know his chances aren't as high as other Mario or other more deserving characters and franchises, due to their more supporting fanbase and their general hate on him, so I don't usually say anything.

Of course, people can dream of wanting him in, which I have no issue with and don't see why someone would. Considering he's first party, he still has a better chance than the likes of Naruto or Goku, who don't even fit into any of the first, second or third party categories.

He also has a better chance of getting in when compared Banjo and Kazooie, Master Chief, Racket and Clank, and Sackboy, as well as any other Sony- or Microsoft-owned characters or franchises too. When compared to the likes of say, a new Pokemon, Toad or Bowser Jr., there's no way he'll stand a chance against them.

And I support people supporting whatever first or second party character they want (I only really support a couple of third party characters, and even then I only see three or four being in Smash 4 TOTAL), as long as they don't try to go "This character has a 100% chance of getting in!" or "My roster is completely true and I found it in Nintendo's non-existent Smash 4 folders on the Internet! Don't believe me? Too bad!". Because people like that are just making the fanbase of the character they support look bad. And if one fanbase gets mad at another fanbase for the character the other is wanting in (See: Bowser Jr./Toad debate) then they're making their OWN fanbase look bad.

Any first- or second-party characters have any chance of getting in. Some more likely than others, some the same as others, or some less than others. We can't be the deciders of the game's fate, really. Unless Sakurai waltzed up to this very topic and said "Alright, here's a list of characters I've been contemplating. Which ones would you want to see in the game?", I don't take any of these characters as true fact. As always, he can always spring up a character that just doesn't make sense why you'd revive (See: G&W, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B.) and put into a game with more popular characters, if the new ones you're adding in haven't had a game in some-odd years.

Now, I know it's so he can spice up the roster and make it unique, which is why I don't go "This character is the most stupid idea I've ever heard" and see it more as a chance at a unique roster, as most fighting games rely on the well-known characters or make new ones. Only a couple I know of (And keep in mind: My opinion is based around how few fighting games I've really ever seen) have taken characters from the past, or even GLITCHES in the arcade game (Mortal Kombat for example) and made them playable characters.



So, if this post is tl;dr for you, then here's the short version:

Stop your *****ing about why such and such a character will never get in, as it doesn't make you look good at all. If on the other hand you're the fan wanting a character in, don't force your preferred character down someone's throat and trying to convert them to the same belief as you. It just isn't right. Every character that is first or second party has a chance of getting in, be they an oddball or a super well-known one.

Thanks for your time. These arguments were just getting to me and I needed to shed some light on the matter.

 

[SteliKingOfSpeed]

Hi Guys, I'm new here just to let you know! :D

Ok, so I was thinking, What would be my Dream Roster, I have a roster in my sig, but what if there was over 64 characters like a tournament? (Not gonna' happen)! But, we can dream, there are some awesome Nintendo Characters that so Deserve to be In a Smash Bros. Game! :D

I myself think Midna's chance was in SSB4, I myself would love to play as Midna, I did before I played Twilight Princess in 2009!

Also, Prince Fluff is streching the boundaries here as it is not a mainstream Kirby game! But, it would be awesome and Prince Fluff's side B running over Bowser! Or his Mech-Fluff Final Smash, using it's Boxing Glove to show Little Mac as lesson or to! I can think of a Awesome moveset, bit let's save That for another topic.

And now for My character that 99% will not get in is Black Knight! I can dream right, he is way too heavy and way not the next Fire Emblem Rep, give Lyn or Miciah a Chance! He could be a assist who Strikes a Huge Blow?!

Post away! :D

 

[Beninator]

I've personally never understood all the hate for Waluigi. He's probably one of my favorite characters.

Thank you.

 

[Starphoenix]

Ehhh... Waluigi is just one of those characters that are annoy me. Simlarly to Bowser Jr., that is why my Mario character of choice is Paper Mario.

 

[Pieman0920]

Le sigh~

Going through all of the discussion about WTF character and what not abroad (though I'm sure things like that may be discussed here) has made me a bit ill at heart. If everyone keeps on guessing obscure characters, how can a real surprising character happen? People expect everyone. Well almost everyone. No one expects the semi-well known, but non-"deserving" characters. Like say if Funky Kong showed up, as a luigi-fied clone, instead of K.Rool or Dixie. Would you be surprised? I know I would. I'd be happier with him than those other two also. Or what if Raichu showed up in the same fashion, instead of Mewtwo or something. People would complain, but it'd be awesome.

The more I think about it, the more I kind of want clones like this. Real surprises, not dated retro characters who need 95% of their moves made up for them. V:

 

[Kazyx]

I'm personally expecting anything to come out of the blue, as it is Sakurai we're talking about. Who knows what he has planned. Anything can be a possibility. People may cringe when I mention names (I'm sure there will be) but I'll say them anyway:

A female FE lord may show up, and it may not be Lyn like most expect.
There could be an obscure Mario character, such as the unlikely Goomba becoming playable.
There could be a Pokemon from 5th Gen that had a lot of competitive hype, such as Excadrill.
There could be a Metroid character that I don't think has had much actual screen time in the character of Adam, I believe his name is. There could just as likely be Ridley finally.
There could be Magnus or Medusa from Kid Icarus.
There could be K. Rool or Dixie Kong. Maybe even the unlikeliness of the DK Crew, and the more likely than them but less-likely-than-the-first-two Funky Kong.

The possibilites are endless due to the way Sakurai could turn the game around and who he feels deserves the position. He could even mix up who he'd pick.

So I'll be more intrigued what made him pick the character than be like "WTF?!" when I see them.

 

[splat]

I've personally never understood all the hate for Waluigi. He's probably one of my favorite characters.

Mine too. The concept sucks but his personality is awesome.

I also think he should be in WarioWare. That much, I made him a new design.

Spoiler

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Wario's WarioWare appearance seems to be based on a biker. I felt Waluigi needed an appearance that had that edginess as well, without being a biker too. I once read this article about Foreman Spike from Nintendo's Wrecking Crew '98, and that he appeared to be the prototype of Wario and Waluigi. This rumor is also fueled by Waluigi's DS kart, the Gold Mantis. So I decided that he had to have some similarities to him. Ta-dah! Hope you like.

 

[Deleted member]

Agreed that most of those are deserving, maybe I'm not educated, but briefly, why does Takamaru belong in that group?

Takamaru is pretty much the only likely "retro" (If you can even call him that) candidate left for Smash Bros. and the only popular one at time (Some people request Lip, but not that many). He has not only a sword, but ninja stars and magic that he can fight with. He's also appeared in three games, WarioWare D.I.Y., Samurai Warriors 3 (He appeared in a remake of his own game), and Captain Rainbow. Sakurai will take Takamaru into consideration.

I'd keep Megaman off just because he's third party. I'd love him in, but I wouldn't say his approval is universal. Takamaru is also a bit 'eh', mainly because people can't decide on who they want as the retro character Takamaru/Mach Rider/Mike Jones/Muddy Mole/Lip/Sheriff/Tamagon/etc.

- Classic Mega Man has been very iconic to video game history and to Nintendo as well, with his main installment having been all on Nintendo consoles except for Mega Man 8 (Generally considered the worst mainstream Mega Man title). Count all Mega Man games and he has appeared on a Nintendo console 53%. He is also the most highly requested third-party character so far (If NOT the most requested character period) and is the only likely candidate we have. Also, universal appeal isn't necessary, just general appeal (Meaning like 70% of people who discuss him want him in). I also noticed that most people here favor Takamaru and the only argument against it is that he would be another sword fighter. This is false for two reasons:

- A katana fights differently from a sword with other haves, forcing the developers to find a different way.
- He has magic and ninja stars to accompany him as well.

So he has a lot of potential that should be recognized.

Look at all these beautiful character ideas! They are less likely, which really sucks, but a person who lists Paper Mario, Captain Syrup, Dark Samus, Meowth, Deoxys and Tom Nook, is a good person. We always talk about characters who are most likely to make it in, and I personally enjoy the less likely characters a lot more. I'm smart, and I know who is ans isn't likely, but that doesn't mean I don't freaking love Meowth, or Gooey!

I have to agree that I don't mind seeing unlikely characters in as long as you don't put it in predictions. Out of his list, Paper Mario, Deoxys, Saki Amamiya/Isa Jo, Chibi-Robo, and Sukapon would be great as well, although I think a Sin & Punishment rep stands a good chance of getting in.

Anyways, as far as WTF characters go, Professor Layton would be perfect. Sure, he's third party TECHNICALLY but he might as well be a Nintendo character and it wont be hard to get the rights. I mean come on, think of the boost of sales his inclusion would create for the franchise, not that it needs it. Professor Layton is probably the most popular new franchise on a Nintendo console since Pikmin. It even has an anime movie with more to come. Also, anyone who is familiar with the games knows that Layton is a total BAMF and can fight. Plus theres always that official twitter deal that said he got invited to the smash tournament(probably means nothing, but you never know).

Also, I believe Tom Nook deserves a slot as well. Animal Crossing is HUGE in Japan and deserves representation in the form of a regular character. It also helps that Nook is awesome.

- As a third-party character, Level 5 isn't just going to let Professor Layton go to Smash without asking Nintendo why he should be in. He has the same red tape to cross as other third-party characters and possible issues to deal with. You should also recognize that if he does get in, he's going to be 3DS exclusive. He is not really that iconic to Nintendo's history and there's always the possibility of him going to Sony's and Microsoft's platform.

- No he does not. Personally I dislike the idea of an Animal Crossing character in the game because Tom Nook isn't even close to fighting material. All I remember him doing is selling stuff to you and I doubt Sakurai is going to change his mind on Tom Nook anytime soon.

I don't really know yet. It should be possible to give characters their own unique Target Test and Platform Jump stages, seeing as the game disc would be holding up to 25 GB.

I hope this is done. There's no reason to just have five target stages in Brawl and they'll have even less excuse in SSB4.

 

[SteliKingOfSpeed]

I'm personally expecting anything to come out of the blue.
There could be Magnus or Medusa from Kid Icarus.

That one I think is very likely, now! :D

Olimar/Bowser Jr. (Probably in SSB4)! Was the last mordern character, now it is Magnus! :D

 

[refugee]

Le sigh~

Going through all of the discussion about WTF character and what not abroad (though I'm sure things like that may be discussed here) has made me a bit ill at heart. If everyone keeps on guessing obscure characters, how can a real surprising character happen? People expect everyone. Well almost everyone. No one expects the semi-well known, but non-"deserving" characters. Like say if Funky Kong showed up, as a luigi-fied clone, instead of K.Rool or Dixie. Would you be surprised? I know I would. I'd be happier with him than those other two also. Or what if Raichu showed up in the same fashion, instead of Mewtwo or something. People would complain, but it'd be awesome.

The more I think about it, the more I kind of want clones like this. Real surprises, not dated retro characters who need 95% of their moves made up for them. V:

I would be surprised but in a pissed off type of way. I would rather have the dated, but unique, retro character over the luigi-fied clone of some character that either belongs to a series that is already well represented or has characters that would be better since they are more important to the franchise.

 

[shinhed-echi]

The more I think about it, the more I kind of want clones like this. Real surprises, not dated retro characters who need 95% of their moves made up for them. V:

Most retro characters I suggest have movesets of their own. I wouldn't suggest a character if I had to make up moves for them from out of nowhere. (Though Captain Falcon really begs to differ, everybody loves him, and his totally random moveset is one of the reasons people like him).

My stance on the matter hasn't changed since Brawl, except now I'm a bit more open to any reasonable 1st/2nd party suggestion...

But I still prefer unrepresented MAIN CHARACTERS over sidekicks, sub-sidekicks, and sub-villains.

 

[Pieman0920]

I would be surprised but in a pissed off type of way. I would rather have the dated, but unique, retro character over the luigi-fied clone of some character that either belongs to a series that is already well represented or has characters that would be better since they are more important to the franchise.

Dooh, people worry too much about characters deserving to be in. They should just go for who's fun. K.Rool's not fun. A surfboarding gorilla with an RPG is fun. Toad's not fun. A resurected Bowser completely made of bones is fun or friggen Fawful? And what if Toon Ganondorf or Skull Kid takes up spot that would go to Balloon Fighter? Toon Ganondorf and Skull Kid are awesome, unlike Balloon Fighter.

 

[refugee]

Dooh, people worry too much about characters deserving to be in. They should just go for who's fun. K.Rool's not fun. A surfboarding gorilla with an RPG is fun. Toad's not fun. A resurected Bowser completely made of bones is fun or friggen Fawful? And what if Toon Ganondorf or Skull Kid takes up spot that would go to Balloon Fighter? Toon Ganondorf and Skull Kid are awesome, unlike Balloon Fighter.

"Fun" is completely subjective. K. Rool would be more fun then some random sidekick. Playing as a different version of a character already in the game is more fun then a actual new character? Not IMO. Not sure about Skull Kid but Ballooon Fighter would be more awesome then "Toon Ganondorf". I'm not sure anyone here actually supports a character they themselves don't think would be "fun".

 

[Deleted member]

Dooh, people worry too much about characters deserving to be in. They should just go for who's fun. K.Rool's not fun. A surfboarding gorilla with an RPG is fun. Toad's not fun. A resurected Bowser completely made of bones is fun or friggen Fawful? And what if Toon Ganondorf or Skull Kid takes up spot that would go to Balloon Fighter? Toon Ganondorf and Skull Kid are awesome, unlike Balloon Fighter.

I think he's fun, but that's my opinion. Although to be fair, most people share my opinion as well.

 

[Pieman0920]

"Fun" is completely subjective. K. Rool would be more fun then some random sidekick. Playing as a different version of a character already in the game is more fun then a actual new character? Not IMO.

I suppose its all subjective and what not, seeing as I find the random sidekick much mure awesome than the generic bad guy, but I stand by what I said. I'm not going to suggest for a second that its likely, but its just something that I'd want. I'd take a clone with actual personality over a "new" character with none any day, especially if the new one just remixed moves that we already have.

 

[refugee]

I suppose its all subjective and what not, seeing as I find the random sidekick much mure awesome than the generic bad guy, but I stand by what I said. I'm not going to suggest for a second that its likely, but its just something that I'd want. I'd take a clone with actual personality over a "new" character with none any day, especially if the new one just remixed moves that we already have.

I thought K. Rool had multiple personalities? O_o

Don't really see what's so "generic" about K. Rool tbh. Care to elaborate?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Dooh, people worry too much about characters deserving to be in. They should just go for who's fun. K.Rool's not fun. A surfboarding gorilla with an RPG is fun. Toad's not fun. A resurected Bowser completely made of bones is fun or friggen Fawful? And what if Toon Ganondorf or Skull Kid takes up spot that would go to Balloon Fighter? Toon Ganondorf and Skull Kid are awesome, unlike Balloon Fighter.

Actually... Having a character's gameplay style revolve around trying to keep his balloons inflated for greater mobility is my idea of fun, rather than playing as another character who plays similar-yet-different to another existing character.

Even though I can't use Olimar to save my life, I'm glad they included him and his peculiar, unique gameplay style, because it's different and brings a unique flavor to the roster, as opposed to Toon Link who is basically a Link that works. :D

I guess to each his own.

 

[Pieman0920]

I thought K. Rool had multiple personalities? O_o

Don't really see what's so "generic" about K. Rool tbh. Care to elaborate?

His multiple personalities each have no personality

K.Rool is generic, to me mind you, in that he's just a filler villain. DKC needed an ending, and in the end, it was the big crocodile who was also a king. He jumps around charging around, and outside of his crown being thrown, which was kind of silly, he just screamed generic to me. Then he became a pirate and then an evil scientist, and to some that didn't grow up on Saturday morning cartoons where villains love to change outfits and disguise themselves, this may not be all that generic, but to me it was. Then when he finally started talking in DK64, he was just a Bond Villain or something. To me, each time he changed, he was just lampooning something else in order to make up for the lack of any real character. Thus I can't help but find him generic and without a personality. And that all could be forgiven if he actually had anything interesting to use in Smash, but really, just his blunderbuss seems interesting, and if that's the case, it should just be an item.


To tell you the truth, I'd much rather see Krusha or something.


...Holy balls, the blunderbuss being an item would be pretty neat. You could grab it and use it to suck in people to fire them out, but if you kept on holding it too long without actually getting anything, it'd blow up in your face, or it could blow up in your face if a Bob-omb were thrown into it. Or maybe a modified version of the concept could be given to Luigi for a modified down special involving the Poltergust.

 

[Starphoenix]

To be honest I don't think we really need another Donkey Kong character. Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong are really the most important. I'd say Cranky Kong would be third but it would be so incredibly wrong to fight an old... Monkey...

 

[refugee]

His multiple personalities each have no personality

K.Rool is generic, to me mind you, in that he's just a filler villain. DKC needed an ending, and in the end, it was the big crocodile who was also a king. He jumps around charging around, and outside of his crown being thrown, which was kind of silly, he just screamed generic to me. Then he became a pirate and then an evil scientist, and to some that didn't grow up on Saturday morning cartoons where villains love to change outfits and disguise themselves, this may not be all that generic, but to me it was. Then when he finally started talking in DK64, he was just a Bond Villain or something. To me, each time he changed, he was just lampooning something else in order to make up for the lack of any real character. Thus I can't help but find him generic and without a personality. And that all could be forgiven if he actually had anything interesting to use in Smash, but really, just his blunderbuss seems interesting, and if that's the case, it should just be an item.


To tell you the truth, I'd much rather see Krusha or something.


...Holy balls, the blunderbuss being an item would be pretty neat. You could grab it and use it to suck in people to fire them out, but if you kept on holding it too long without actually getting anything, it'd blow up in your face, or it could blow up in your face if a Bob-omb were thrown into it. Or maybe a modified version of the concept could be given to Luigi for a modified down special involving the Poltergust.

Well thanks for explaining your thoughts. I still would still like to see him in SSB4 but whatever floats your boat.

To be honest I don't think we really need another Donkey Kong character. Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong are really the most important. I'd say Cranky Kong would be third but it would be so incredibly wrong to fight an old... Monkey...

I think all the series need is a villain and I think that would be enough.

 

[Deleted member]

@Pieman0920: Fair enough. While I still place him in my 10 ten most wanted characters for SSB4 and your explanation doesn't change that, I do see what you're saying.

I think all the series need is a villain and I think that would be enough.

If the Donkey Kong franchise just had three characters playable in some way or form, I'd be satisfied (Yes I count the Diddy/Dixie team as two characters in one slot), thought I prefer King K. Rool.

 

[Starphoenix]

I think all the series need is a villain and I think that would be enough.

Not sure on that one.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Not sure on that one.

I second this.

If anything we need more main characters to cover more franchises. Golden Sun still doesn't have a rep, Sin & Punishment still doesn't have a rep, and a lot of oldschool (popular back then) series still have no rep.

I'm ok if they add 3 more villains, but one per franchise is insane. :O

 

[refugee]

I second this.

If anything we need more main characters to cover more franchises. Golden Sun still doesn't have a rep, Sin & Punishment still doesn't have a rep, and a lot of oldschool (popular back then) series still have no rep.

I'm ok if they add 3 more villains, but one per franchise is insane. :O

Wait what? I only said the DK series only needs one more rep (a villain) and that would be enough for that franchise. I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Pieman0920]

Actually... Having a character's gameplay style revolve around trying to keep his balloons inflated for greater mobility is my idea of fun, rather than playing as another character who plays similar-yet-different to another existing character.

Even though I can't use Olimar to save my life, I'm glad they included him and his peculiar, unique gameplay style, because it's different and brings a unique flavor to the roster, as opposed to Toon Link who is basically a Link that works. :D

I guess to each his own.

Well you see the problem with that is that you're not basing the desire to have the Balloon Fighter in, because he's the Balloon Fighter, but rather because his moveset could be unique. Now mind you, a character with a unique moveset isn't a problem for me. Olimar is interesting because he does things differently, and I welcome a character who does have something new, but for the most part, I don't think the character added in determines if the moveset will be unique, but rather the development team. Balloon Fighter could have a unique balloon system in place, or he might not. Funky probably would be a clone, but there's the chance that they give him some sort of unique vehicle system that sets him apart from the playstyle of any other character. The thing is, for most characters if this will happen can't really be determined. For Olimar it could, since he relied so heavily around a unique concept, but no one who wanted the Pokemon Trainer thought he'd turn out to be like he did, and just assumed he'd play like a normal character.

The way I see it, if people actually want a character, they should be okay with them however they turn out. For all of those characters I suggested, I don't care if they'd have unique movesets, regular movesets, or clone movesets, because I like them that much. I really think Ridley would be best off with his own moveset, but if he were made a clone of Charizard, I'd still be fine because Ridley would be in. Thus I have to ask you if you'd be okay with Balloon Fighter, or any of your other preferred retro characters, if they turned into clones. Do you like them that much?

 

[Starphoenix]

The problem is we shouldn't be adding characters because they fit some demographic we feel needs to be represented better. Smash Bros isn't bound to some "Equal Opportunity" law and is not the House of Representatives. Characters get in because they fall under selective criteria:

1: They are popular
2: They bring something different
3: Developmental decision

Rule one doesn't guarantee a character will get in as the opposite is true to, a character might be chosen because it is obscure giving it a shock factor. Ultimately each decision lives or dies by Sakurai's choosing, and outside the few little things we know about his selection process there is no telling whom he will or won't implement.

 

[Deleted member]

The problem is we shouldn't be adding characters because they fit some demographic we feel needs to be represented better. Smash Bros isn't bound to some "Equal Opportunity" law and is not the House of Representatives. Characters get in because they fit certain criteria:

1: They are popular
2: They bring something different
3: Or are for promotion in certain cases

Rule one doesn't guarantee a character will get in as the opposite is true to, a character might be chosen because it is obscure giving it a shock factor. Ultimately each decision lives or dies by Sakurai's choosing, and outside the few little things we know about his selection process there is no telling whom he will or won't implement.

King K. Rool clearly follows the first two guidelines and I don't consider the third one to be a criteria. My reason for wanting King K. Rool has nothing to do with him being a villain, but because he's popular, has potential to be unique (IMO), and is a prominent DK series character.

 

[SteliKingOfSpeed]

For the third criteria, it does not nessecarially have to follow it. If there is a SSB5 I doubt Mangus will be in Unless if more Kid Icarus Games comes out!

 

[Starphoenix]

Yes yes, I changed the wording around to better fit what I was attempting to say.

 

[refugee]

Thus I have to ask you if you'd be okay with Balloon Fighter, or any of your other preferred retro characters, if they turned into clones. Do you like them that much?

The problem with that is that often the retro characters are so unique that it becomes highly unlikely the character can even be turned into a clone. For example, who the hell could Balloon Fighter be a clone of?

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

Spoiler

Well you see the problem with that is that you're not basing the desire to have the Balloon Fighter in, because he's the Balloon Fighter, but rather because his moveset could be unique. Now mind you, a character with a unique moveset isn't a problem for me. Olimar is interesting because he does things differently, and I welcome a character who does have something new, but for the most part, I don't think the character added in determines if the moveset will be unique, but rather the development team. Balloon Fighter could have a unique balloon system in place, or he might not. Funky probably would be a clone, but there's the chance that they give him some sort of unique vehicle system that sets him apart from the playstyle of any other character. The thing is, for most characters if this will happen can't really be determined. For Olimar it could, since he relied so heavily around a unique concept, but no one who wanted the Pokemon Trainer thought he'd turn out to be like he did, and just assumed he'd play like a normal character.

The way I see it, if people actually want a character, they should be okay with them however they turn out. For all of those characters I suggested, I don't care if they'd have unique movesets, regular movesets, or clone movesets, because I like them that much. I really think Ridley would be best off with his own moveset, but if he were made a clone of Charizard, I'd still be fine because Ridley would be in. Thus I have to ask you if you'd be okay with Balloon Fighter, or any of your other preferred retro characters, if they turned into clones. Do you like them that much?

That's stupid. The only thing I personally base my wants on is moveset potential, because that's really the most important thing when playing smash. If they're not fun to play as, there's no point in having them at all. I would play smash if all the characters were generic wireframes if each one was unique and fun. I think everyone should be entitled to their own reasons for wanting characters in the game, and it's not your place to tell them otherwise.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well you see the problem with that is that you're not basing the desire to have the Balloon Fighter in, because he's the Balloon Fighter, but rather because his moveset could be unique. Now mind you, a character with a unique moveset isn't a problem for me. Olimar is interesting because he does things differently, and I welcome a character who does have something new, but for the most part, I don't think the character added in determines if the moveset will be unique, but rather the development team. Balloon Fighter could have a unique balloon system in place, or he might not. Funky probably would be a clone, but there's the chance that they give him some sort of unique vehicle system that sets him apart from the playstyle of any other character. The thing is, for most characters if this will happen can't really be determined. For Olimar it could, since he relied so heavily around a unique concept, but no one who wanted the Pokemon Trainer thought he'd turn out to be like he did, and just assumed he'd play like a normal character.

The way I see it, if people actually want a character, they should be okay with them however they turn out. For all of those characters I suggested, I don't care if they'd have unique movesets, regular movesets, or clone movesets, because I like them that much. I really think Ridley would be best off with his own moveset, but if he were made a clone of Charizard, I'd still be fine because Ridley would be in. Thus I have to ask you if you'd be okay with Balloon Fighter, or any of your other preferred retro characters, if they turned into clones. Do you like them that much?

I only don't mind clones that much when it fits them.
Falco to Fox (same group)
Young Link to Link (same guy)
Pikachu to Pichu (pretty much same creature)


But to answer the main question.. I guess beggars can't be choosers. If it's the only way to bring them in I wouldn't mind, for example, if Balloon Fighter became a Jiggs clone. "As long as he's in" (granted, I'm not THAT desperate for Balloon Fighter to ask him as a clone, but if he gets in as one regardless, I guess I'll be happy).


Some retro characters have a certain style that can't be changed. Balloon gimmicks, punch only gimmick, drill-mobile gimmick, hammer gimmick, etc.
The joy of retro characters is seeing their moves be translated to a full competent fighting moveset. Sometimes they have a large selection of them to back them up, sometimes they need to be added/remade from scratch.


So, it really depends on the case. If I can be satisfied with just seeing them in action (clone of somebody else) I would've been perfectly alright with playing them hacked into Brawl. But they feel VERY off.

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Pieman0920 brought up Balloon Fighter, even thought he's clearly never getting in?

 

[refugee]

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Pieman0920 brought up Balloon Fighter, even thought he's clearly never getting in?

*raises hand