New Smash Bros for WiiU

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, seems ZZS isn't going anywhere, but she should warrant a spot since she does happen to be unique.

 

[Starphoenix]

What about Tetra? She doesn't have a snowballs chance, so what more do you want to know?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Also, I don't think Sheik would be granted her own slot at this point in time, it's already been established.

 

[ChronoBound]

I personally think Sakurai is simply going to ask the Zelda team to make a design for Sheik based on what she would look like IF she was in Skyward Sword. Zelda and Sheik will continue to share the same spot.

 

[SwayneGang]

You pretty much got it all in one shot. The notable thing is that they can help each other using.... Helping Hand. That's about it. They're a novelty Pokemon.

Also, Toon Sheik... would've been probably just a clone. Tetra, however...

Oh, they don't use electric attacks like Pikachu and Pichu?? Ouch. That hurts their chances.

We have Zelda/Sheik as one character. We could have Toon Zelda/Tetra.

 

[Deleted member]

I still think that having Sheik being given her own slot is the best idea there is for a "fifth Zelda slot".

Also, all Metroid ever needed was Samus and Ridley. However, since Zero Suit Samus is an unique character addition, and has basically solidified herself as the "Mai/fanservice girl" of Smash Bros., cutting her is out of the question.

I'm not sure why people dislike Zero Suit Samus as an addition. Personally, I enjoyed playing as her more then I did with Samus in her armored suit. Next time, she should be selected on the menu screen like Zelda/Sheik in Brawl.

As for Sheik getting her own slot and the Zelda series getting five slots because of it, it could work. At least it'll finally give them a Down B.

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm not sure why people dislike Zero Suit Samus as an addition. .

I personally still think that Zero Suit Samus was the least worthy newcomer to get in Brawl. It hurts even more that she was chosen over Ridley, who had a pretty impressive resume even back before Brawl was announced.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Oh, they don't use electric attacks like Pikachu and Pichu?? Ouch. That hurts their chances.

We have Zelda/Sheik as one character. We could have Toon Zelda/Tetra.

No, sadly... they do. Their movesets aren't identical, but it'd be like combining many of Pikachu/Pichu's A moves together. It could be interesting, though.

They're all Electric-types too. I think they could be similar to Ice Climbers, but no one would be the "dominant" character. They'd switch off with certain attacks, having the same percentage. I brought up a fairly decent Yugi Motou moveset some time ago that shows what I mean. I think it's deleted, but basically, he channels his monsters' attacks into each individual move, but he still takes damage as normal. No, he has no chance, just illustrating what I mean.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally still think that Zero Suit Samus was the least worthy newcomer to get in Brawl. It hurts even more that she was chosen over Ridley, who had a pretty impressive resume even back before Brawl was announced.

There weren't anyone in particular in Brawl who's addition I hated (although it is very sad that Ridley got shafted for BS reasoning), but the one I was the least fan of getting in was Lucas mainly because I didn't think Earthbound deserved a second rep and that Ness did a fine job of representing it himself. Him being a semi-clone made him an even more unimpressive addition to me. As for him returning, I'm neutral on him. He could go and I wouldn't bat an eye but on the other hand, I loathe cutting, which is the only reason why I don't support axing him, but I do think he is going to return.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Man, it's still weird hearing people's taste in characters being affected by some wacky self-imagined Smash democratic system. Lucas is awesome, he falls on his butt and plays the drums when he thinks no one's looking.


@Omaha: check your PMs for wall turkey

 

[Oasis_S]

Should I be discouraged that my PREDICTIONS in SELECT SCREEN FORMAT are not lining up too well.

If a fifth Mario character gets in, it will be on the basis of settling OCD tendencies.

 

[Deleted member]

Should I be discouraged that my PREDICTIONS in SELECT SCREEN FORMAT are not lining up too well.

Are you trying to shape it up to be like Brawl's? If so, try not to focus on that but rather just organizing it properly. Melee should be a good indicator that you don't need the characers lined up vertically to be organized.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Should I be discouraged that my PREDICTIONS in SELECT SCREEN FORMAT are not lining up too well.

...Yes. Part of the overall picture is how it actually looks. It's neatness is key.

Also, what SSBF said. Just line it up properly. I'd be willing to point out ordering if you want me to.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's more like me wanting to second guess myself based on how awful the select screen is lining up, lol.

This is gonna to take a bit a DOIN'. Spending some quality time with my dear friend MS Paint.

Now Victini is on the FOURTH row. This just will not do.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I agree with everything bolded

.......

I'm fine with Kamek despite how unworthy she is.

Same here

No.

Stop. Just stop....

I don't know if you were seriously posting. (Before you say anything, I'm christian).

No religious talk. Avoid it.

Not LOLworthy.

In fact, it's not even funny to begin with. It's just a simple question.

Kamek is, in fact, a male. Doesn't even look like a female

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's more like me wanting to second guess myself based on how awful the select screen is lining up, lol.

This is gonna to take a bit a DOIN'. Spending some quality time with my dear friend MS Paint.

Well, I used the old IGN Melee Screen to make one.

http://world-of-darkness.htmlplanet.com/meleecscreen.jpg Here's the link itself. Hotlinking is a problem and all.

 

[y.toonlink]

It's more like me wanting to second guess myself based on how awful the select screen is lining up, lol.

This is gonna to take a bit a DOIN'. Spending some quality time with my dear friend MS Paint.

Now Victini is on the FOURTH row. This just will not do.

Speaking of which, when you make those Mach Rider pics are you using the mouse or a tablet? They look like they would take forever with just a mouse on Paint.
If anything just use Toad as a placeholder

 

[Shorts]

I personally still think that Zero Suit Samus was the least worthy newcomer to get in Brawl. It hurts even more that she was chosen over Ridley, who had a pretty impressive resume even back before Brawl was announced.

If you think about it, people know Samus because of Smash. Generally speaking, most people haven't a clue who Ridley is. Every Smash player knows who Samus is. Zero Suit is a smart move in the sense that:

A. People know who Samus, when many don't know who Ridley is.
B. She has the boobs, which the guys think are dah bess

Although, the same could be argued for Daisy. I just think ZS is a unique case. She IS the Samus. She's been in every Samus game, you just don't think about it. She's just Samus... So, ZSS > Ridley in that sense.

 

[Drclaw411]

Personally, I LOVED Subspace Emissary. I've played through it many times, both solo and co-op. You could really do quite a bit worse for a good side scrolling beat em' up. In the sense of a beat em' up, it's obviously got the deepest combat system around.

I'd like to see a few changes. We saw stages in Donkey Kong's forest and the Metroid Universe, but that was about it for Nintendo themed stages. I'd like to see a few more (although not necessarily only) stages set in classic Nintendo worlds.

I also hope for a tad more story development. While the basic plot was pretty clear, it would have been nice to see the answer to some backstory questions. How did Ganondorf and Bowser capture Master Hand, Mr Game and Watch, Pikachu, and Samus's power suit? How did Ganondorf convince Bowser to work with him? Where the hell did Sonic come from? And what's the backstory on Tabuu and some of the other newly introduced bosses? They created some great bosses, especially Tabuu, but they felt a tad generic because we didn't know their stories.

I'd also like some more Nintendo enemies. We got Goombas, Koopas, and some evil ROBs. But beyond that it was new enemies. I am not against the new enemies that they created, I just think they have their place. If they did more franchise themed worlds/stages, then they could have the enemies from those franchises in those worlds. Perhaps the enemies are working for the Ganondorf and the Subspace now.

I'd also like some background as to Master Hand. The characters were clearly very upset when they discovered that Master Hand had been captured by Ganondorf. So why has he always been an enemy in the games? Is he on their side or isn't he? And, again, what's the deal with Tabuu?

There is a ton of potential for the sequel and I can't wait to see where they go with it. I'm pretty excited.

 

[Luco]

I dunno. I like zero suit samus personally, while i would want Ridley, although there is that throw that creeps me out...

 

[Stewpedaso]

Theres only two characters i would really like to see in the next SSB.
- Krystal, from Starfox Adventures (Nintendo 64).
- Bowser Jr. from Super Mario Sunshine (Gamecube).
As for Ridley, i think he would be a bit hard to make into a character... Maybe he would work sorta like Charizard?

 

[Oasis_S]

One thing I love about the Subspace Emissary was that it was ALL ABOUT R.O.B.!

Tragic story of one robot trying to save everything, yet losing it all. ...And that's how it ends. They could have at least added a scene where all the other characters WELCOME HIM AS ONE OF THEIR OWN. For all I know Mario and Link could have walked off with their princesses while R.O.B. is left staring at WHERE EVERYTHING HE ONCE KNEW AND LOVED USED TO EXIST BUT NO LONGER DOES. It makes me want to cry.

@y.toonlink: I use a mouse.

 

[Luco]

Theres only two characters i would really like to see in the next SSB.
- Krystal, from Starfox Adventures (Nintendo 64).
- Bowser Jr. from Super Mario Sunshine (Gamecube).
As for Ridley, i think he would be a bit hard to make into a character... Maybe he would work sorta like Charizard?

Yup they both have some representation on here. Shortie wants Krystal and although i don't know who wants Bowser Jr. in personally, i know he has a pretty big fanbase.

And when it comes to Ridley, i don't think it would be that hard. After all Bowser is meant to be a tad bigger than he is in brawl and Olimar is meant to be much, much smaller.

 

[Shorts]

ALRIGHT. Somone give me their newcomer "prediction list".

I wanna talk. WAKE UP OASIS. Krystal needs Ridely.

 

[Oasis_S]

There ya go. I just furnished.

Though I'll probably move things around a lot before E3. u3u

@Kantrip: I don't know what you're talking about. Please just enjoy my Mach-up.

@HypoFalcon: Not really going for PRETTINESS. Just like having a visual. THOUGH I DO ENJOY ORGANIZING IT.

 

[Kantrip]

There ya go. I just furnished.

Though I'll probably move things around a lot before E3. u3u

Pun intended?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There ya go. I just furnished.

Though I'll probably move things around a lot before E3. u3u

@Kantrip: I don't know what you're talking about. Please just enjoy my Mach-up.

Heh heh, nice. Some of them look badly pixelated, though. That is, their cropping. MegaMan's picture could use some work, specifically.

 

[Kantrip]

Saki/Takamaru/Shulk/Roy/Chrome/Marth/Isaac all fall under too similar of a category. I think there's one or two too many of them.

Replace with Dixie and Prince Fluff imo.

But it's a good roster.

 

[Shorts]

OASIS, I'm going to comment soon. I have a little redhead to deal with...

 

[Oasis_S]

I think Shulk and Mach Rider would be the two I would remove if need be. I think it would be neat to have Shulk, but his case is rather unlike any other character, so I have a lot of doubts toward him. And I don't mind losing a prediction point for Mach Rider~

AND I HOPE YOU'RE JOKING ABOUT SWORD-USERS.

@Shortshorts: 8D

 

[Kantrip]

What are sword-users?

I'm actually referring to their hairstyle. The same stylist doesn't deserve so much representation.

 

[Shorts]

Okay, let’s cut this frakin' cake. ​

Roster: Oasis, October 12, 2011

Mario Franchise: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Wario
- BAM. You got it right. This is a good choice in my opinion. You opted out of adding Toad, Junior, or that Paper fool. You did the right thing in my book. 5/5 in this category.
- I will make a note about Wario reps real quick though. I think with a roster like this, you could have gotten away with it. I feel a Yoshi pick, while interesting is a poor choice all around, but Mona, or Syrup could be pulled off.

Donkey Kong Franchise: Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool
- Why not? You did well. I see no Cranky, and I see no Funky. I don’t see a Dixie either, but her and K. Rool are reall interchangeable IMO. You could have EITHER or both. You picked one over the other. Fine with me. 5/5 in my book.

LoZ Franchise: Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link
- Your choice to not add a newcomer is probably a good one, although you could have done it properly, in my opinion. What this comes down to for ME, is how Ganondorf and Toon Link end up playing. Without a new character, I feel a few slight changes to these two would do good in both keeping the series feeling fresh, and furthering the two away from their clone counterparts. You didn’t specify on these characters… so I’m going to give you a 4/5 for them.

Kirby Franchise: Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight
- Good boy. 5/5

Fire Emblem Franchise: Marth, Chrome, Roy
- Oasis my boy, why would you choose Chrome, a character that we know nothing about over Ike, a perfectly good character, outside of IkeSama. Why sir? I like the redhead, he’s cute. AND FOR THAT, I’ll give you a 3.5/5
- Chrome: Until we see how he works, I want him to be a cautionary add… I don’t trust his BLUE HAIR.

Pokemon Franchise (Me FAVE): Pikachu, Jiggypuff, Pokemon Trainer Red, Mewtwo, Victini
- Oh you know how subjective these choices can be sir. The loss of Lucario, and the gain of Victini and Mewtwo… Good move. Straight move. Easy move. Too easy. Not shaken up enough. I almost wish we got Zoroark over Victini. His attitude, and the way he carries himself would have added more. Victini is too happy. Like everyone in the game. Zoro has SAS. Okay, you get a 3.5/5 for playing it safe, but doing it well.

Mother & Metroid: Ness, Lucas, Samus, Ridley
- Good choices. 10/10

F-Zero & StarFox: Falcon, Samurai Goroh, Fox, Falco, Wolf
- You did it right. Despite the lack of Krystal. 10/10

Smaller franchises: IC’s G&W, ROB, Olimar, Pit, Medusa, Shulk, Isaac, Mach Rider, Saki, Little Mac, Takamaru, Mii
- Kay, my problems are with the choice to add Takamaru, AND Goroh. Why would you add two Katana weilders when you had other options? You had the option to add someone who doesn’t even use a sword, but you chose to pick two Katana weilders. Something to think about. Black Shadow, and Tom Nook are sad.
- The rest clear with me. Mach and Med are good pics IMO, Saki, Little Mac, Shulk, Mii and Isaac are all sound as well. 8/10

Third Parties: Sonic, Snake, Megaman
- Good boy. Played it smart. 5/5

Overall appeal: GOOD ROSTER. I do think you fell down a little with Chrome and Takamaru though. Chrome is SO up in the air, and you just chose similar playing characters, when people would arguably be happier with Tom Nook. Victini is a decent choice, but I think Zoroark would have helped heal the Lucario fans, and would have been a “cooler” character in general.

Oasis is a good cat. now, add up the fractions, and find the percent. That's your Shorts score! ;D

 

[Berserker.]

Kamek is, in fact, a male. Doesn't even look like a female

Whoops

Oh and... My roster....

Mario universe:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad

Zelda universe:
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link

Donkey Kong universe:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K Rool

Yoshi universe:
Yoshi

Metroid universe:
Samus/Zero suit
Ridley

Kirby universe:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Star Fox universe:
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Pokemon universe:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Zoroark/Victini/Mewtwo/Deoxys/Whatever... To be honest, I really don't care
Pokemon trainer

F - Zero universe:
Captain Falcon

Earthbound universe:
Ness
Lucas

Fire Emblem universe:
Marth
Chrome

Wario universe:
Wario

Pikmin universe:
Olimar

Punch-out universe:
Little Mac

Kid Icarus universe:
Pit

Retro/Nintendo universe:
Game and Watch
Ice Climbers
ROB
Takamaru

Sin and Punishment:
Saki

Xenoblade universe:
Shulk

3rd party:
............

 

[OmegaXXII]

Nice list Oasis, definetly realistic enough, I will write a quick summary in just a bit.

edit- I agree with everything except Mach Rider, while I do see him as a possibility, I don't think it's likely enough, it might be another obscure character, like Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[Berserker.]

@Brosis' roster:

Mario series : To be honest though, I'm fine with it.

Fire Emblem series : Roy? I'm fine with him but his "chances" are kind of iffy

3rd party : I prefer none but... I'm fine with this

Great roster

 

[Opelucid]

That's a nice roster Oasis I think Starfy on except for the Mii also a new Mario rep should be on there or a new Zelda rep.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Another thing to point out, we might not get both Roy and Chrome, just one, unless Ike stays then I could see Roy added in due to popularity and demand in Japan.

 

[Aurane]

@asage94: Just wanted to give you some constructive criticism on your Victini's move set:

- Add grab moves to it. One important part of the move set is the grab. Add a pummel, an upward throw, a downward throw, a forward throw, and a backward throw.
- Your Searing Shot is seriously overpowered. It should not increase 50% per level, especially not if the add up. Reduce it to 15-20% per level without the moves adding up.
- V-Create needs to be better explained. Two sentences are not enough to explain a Final Smash. Go into depth (one or two good paragraphs should do)
- Add the amount of damage made to the attacks to get a better indication if its balanced or not.
- Add an Entrance, three victory poses, three taunts, and a losing pose.

Late post, sorry, but I looked it over alrdy bro. Told ya that Got it in me workshop now. Searing Shot needs tending, definatly. I'm also considering his entrance to land on the starting platform by flying straight down, headbutting the floor, then doing a flip to get on his feet. And losing pose? What do u mean? Lost* maybe, but that's not crucial. I explain enough of the FS, but I'll get into more detail if you wish Also note that moveset was made a long time ago. You're late again.

VictoriousVictini ain't going newhere yet, so I'm not worried about finishing that moveset right away. I could post it here, but that makes 2 cents worth, which isn't valid towards my goal. Once I get 10 ppl on the team, I'll post it, finished.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Is it Victini you are referring to?

 

[The Real Gamer]

I might have to start an official campaign AGAINST Victini for Smash 4.

I dislike the idea of that generic looking fire mouse in Smash for too many reasons to count on my fingers, and I find the fact that (apparently) a lot of people actually want it to be playable completely appalling.